English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Johan Larsson

17:08

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 your cat?

tchrist

17:20

@JanusBahsJacquet I thought it’s supposed to be half your age plus 7.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet That is also the only thing the Internet has ever taught me.

@tchrist What if you date up?

Minus 7, then double?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Nyah, that’s just for people who, er, something.

I don’t something, so not for me, obviously.

tchrist

@Cerberus Then you’re a gerontophile after my own heart.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet You don't?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Never.

Cerberus

17:22

@tchrist Haha just the answer I expected.

tchrist

Smart boy.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

One thing you’ll never catch me doing is somethinging.

Cerberus

is suspicious

I had a very romantic date with a 23yo this Tuesday.

Turned 24 during the date so it was all right, right?

tchrist

x       >= y/2 + 7
x-7     >= y/2
2*(x-7) >= y

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Same one you brushed off yesterday? ;-)

tchrist

17:23

@Cerberus Cuttin’ it close there. :)

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet Ah, nope, that one was my own age...

@tchrist I know! That God for his birthday.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Good heavens—how much do you date?!?

Cerberus

Lately, a lot!

tchrist

For certain values of date.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

/me hasn’t had a date since before he stopped somethinging

Oh, /me doesn’t work here

Oops

Cerberus

17:25

Wait, what is the somethinging now?

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You do it differently here.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet And why no dates?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Like "j/Y H:i"?

tchrist

demonstrates for JBJ

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Good question. Ask all the guys who don’t seem to want to date me …

tchrist

17:26

In other words, you put something prodroppy in italics and 3p sg.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet Aww I'd totally date you! Have you been looking in the right places?

tchrist

@Cerberus I think that busts the formula.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Clearly not. But then I haven’t really been looking in any places at all. I suppose just waiting for the dates to drop into my lap (I mean, after a suitable amount of time spent small-talking) is a bit over-expectant.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yeah? What happens?

@JanusBahsJacquet Oh, we all have such phases.

I had a year-long dry spell once. For no particular reason.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Heh, ‘phases’. Nah, I’m just training for my latter years of hermitage. ;-)

Cerberus

17:29

Travellers visit hermits...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Hermicy? Hermitesse? What’s the abstract noun for a hermit?

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet The problem in Europe is that there are no 1€ notes to slip into the lap-dancer’s g-string. And frankly 5€ note as a minimum ante is a bit stiff.

Cerberus

Hermy?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

hasn’t had a date this side of 2010

Hermione?

tchrist

Hermès.

Cerberus

17:30

@JanusBahsJacquet You said you had tried electronic paths, right?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Even more so here—the lowest paper denomination we have is 50 DKK, which is €6.7

Cerberus

Nowadays, even respectable people go electronic, and I have to say it works really well.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Oh yes, absolutely. Just no actual dates.

Cerberus

Hmm why not?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Meh, I’m not bothered. I’m social, but never really needed relationships anyway.

Cerberus

17:31

Neither do I.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet eremiteship

Darn it I hate that.

Cerberus

But even the dating itself is often fun.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Much easier just to be single and a slut. ;-)

Cerberus

Haha I see...

tchrist

Et voilà.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

17:32

@tchrist But isn’t that only for eremites? I’m certainly not about to become a religious hermit!

Cerberus

One second, I'm getting Tinder messages...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Hahaha

Very apropos

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You prefer anchorite?

Cerberus

> You have a new Tinder match

> Shared interests: Beethoven

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Not if I can avoid them (which, given their preferred mode of existence, is not too difficult).

tchrist

17:33

@Cerberus Is that a kinder and gentler Grindr?

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, and for all sexes and proclivities.

tchrist

Or at least, more tender.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Hermitry! (According to the OED)

Cerberus

Although you mustn't underestimate the number of decent dates one can get through the former.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus … except those without Facebook accounts

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

17:34

1 hour ago, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Cerberus No, some redditor.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet What do you mean? I made a fake FB account for Tinder.

I refuse to link any more databases.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Well, exactly—then you have a Facebook account (even if it is fake).

Cerberus

Sure.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

you won't take my love / for tinder

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I refuse to make any kind of Facebook account, fake or not.

Cerberus

17:36

I have 50 friends from Bangladesh on my fake account.

Why?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I have a strong dislike of Facebook. Don’t even properly know why, I just really, really hate it.

Cerberus

I kind of hate it too.

tchrist

macbook# oed -A hermi
× hermid → here
† hermid ← here
× hermin → ermine
hermit [n.]
ˈhermit [v.] ← hermit
hermitage [n.]
× hermitan → harmattan
hermitary [adj.]
hermitary [n.]
hermit-bird ← hermit
† hermit-crab ← hermit
hermit-crow ← hermit
hermitess [n.]
hermithood [n.]
Hermitian [adj.]
› Hermitian conjugate ← Hermitian
hermitic [adj.]
herˈmitical [adj.]
herˈmitically [adv.] ← herˈmitical
ˈhermitish [adj.]
ˈhermitism ← hermit
hermit-like [adj.] ← hermit
† hermitress [n.]
› hermit-seat, hermit-fancied, -haunted ← hermit

Cerberus

Use it only when have to, under peer pressure.

@JanusBahsJacquet But a fake account would only accentuate your hatred of it. It is a kind of...civil disobedience.

Johan Larsson

the content on facebook is worse than facebook

tchrist

17:38

@JanusBahsJacquet I ditto thee sempiternally.

Cerberus

@tchrist I knew there would be a slew of lesser known brothers and sisters.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

True, in a way, I suppose. But then I’d have to remember fake names and all that crap, and if I just use it for Tinder anyway, I’d have to remember telling people what my real name is … so much bother!

Never been a fan of SNSes, truth be told.

tchrist

@Cerberus Brethren and sissies.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Hey, respect my fake Facebook!! My content is perfectly good, as in tons of Mafia Wars requests to all my "friends", and some liked baby photos. (Btw., man, is Mafia Wars boring, I had no idea it was that bad. But I needed it to make friends.)

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Though I do think I was on Friendster for a while, about a decade or so ago.

Cerberus

17:39

@tchrist Tsk.

tchrist

@Cerberus I was abbreviating the ancient term.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet I made the mistake of setting my fake name to Jan ("John"), but next time I will just put my first name with a fake surname there.

tchrist

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A: Replacement for "brethren" to refer to mostly female group

People have used "sistern" for this. The first use I find in Google books is from 1739: That there were 20 Bretheren and Siſtern on their Bead Roll, I suspect this plural was invented to serve as a parallel to "brethren"; I did not find it in the dictionaries I checked, and it is a much ra...

Johan Larsson

I just got a simple regex wrong in a couple of ways :)

Cerberus

@tchrist Ah, of course...then it's perfectly respectable.

@JohanLarsson You have our sympathy.

tchrist

17:40

@JanusBahsJacquet I always use my real name. And if you don’t think people don’t call me tchrist face-to-face, you don’t know the hacker community.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@JohanLarsson Oh, I do that nearly every time I need to regex my way out of something. ;-)

Johan Larsson

:)

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Ask me ask me ask me ask me ask me ask me ask me ask me! :)

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist I just realised that your name and user name is the opposite of someone I know from an old message board—he’s christ (Christian Tomson)!

@tchrist Ask you what?

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Reges.

Cerberus

17:42

Hah.

tchrist

It could be worse. There have been several Danish porn stars with my exact name and spelling.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Quid de regibus tibi quaesam?

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet I was positing that you had regular expression troubles, and more than one rex do reges make. Well, nominatively.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Really? I only know of the racer, and he’s (apparently) Kristensen, not Christiansen.

Oh, I usually get there in the end, after a couple of tries, once I realise where my initial logic wasn’t.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet That is a nice use of quaeso, almost archaic...

tchrist

17:46

@JanusBahsJacquet This was aeons ago.

Cerberus

@tchrist And probably a thousand other Danish professions.

Today's match.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus I like being archaic. ;-)

Cerberus

As supported by your a-Facebookism.

What do you think?

tchrist

I can write regexes to search the OED, parse a program, floss the cat, and rocket to the moon.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I’d love a regex to floss the cat.

I’d have to get a cat, of course, but still.

tchrist

17:49

A little pussy never hurt anybody.

Well, except for the mice.

They have it rough.

For I have two, and they are ferocious.

The kittens not the mice.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Two? Is that even physiologically possible?!

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You’re thinking of hemipenes now.

Cerberus

@tchrist ...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist And I try so hard not to, too!

Cerberus

flees to the more civilised regions of Tinder

tchrist

17:51

Down that road lies priapism.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

You’d expect it to stand, surely?

Cerberus

...

tchrist

You’re in Dutch with the pooch now.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus seems to have gone a bit dotty on us.

tchrist

Cerberus

17:54

@JanusBahsJacquet I may be in the nether regions twice, but only physically!

tchrist

The gold regex badge has to count for something, but then again, a lot of people get those who write nothing like what I write.

Cerberus

Wow that's sick!

The Perl does not surprise me, of course.

tchrist

I can even write pornography with regexes.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Heh. My SO badges are kind of … abyssmal. And mostly nonexistent. But then I never really go on SO anyway, except if I’m completely stomped about something.

tchrist

And have.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

17:55

In HD?

Cerberus

@tchrist You should put that on your Tinder profile.

Robusto

@JanusBahsJacquet Stomped = stumped, only to a higher degree?

tchrist

Nota bene.

84

A: Regular expression preg_quote symbols are not detected

Cannot Be Done I'm sorry, but this “problem” is truly impossible to solve. Consider these: ꜰᴜᴄᴋ is U+A730.1D1C.1D04.1D0B, "\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL F}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL U}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL C}\N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL K}" ᶠᵘᶜᵏ is U+1DA0.1D58.1D9C.1D4F, "\N{M...

Wow, oneboxing sucketh for Unicode.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto Or just being trod violently on by someone in heavy boots. ;-)

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Read this and then consider the potential of puissant patterns as recursive descent parsers:

526

A: Regular expression pattern not matching anywhere in string

Oh Yes You Can Use Regexes to Parse HTML! ⁠ For the task you are attempting, regexes are perfectly fine! It is true that most people underestimate the difficulty of parsing HTML with regular expressions and therefore do so poorly. But this is not some fundamental flaw related to computationa...

I got pissed at people pretending that just because stupid people couldn’t do things, that nobody could.

My ELU answers are always so short compared with my SO ones — I never seem to hit the length limit here.

This is fun, too, and shows you the route to sanity:

335

A: Matching numbers with regular expressions — only digits and commas

What’s a Number? I have a simple question for your “simple” question: What precisely do you mean by “a number”? Is −0 a number? How do you feel about √−1? Is ⅝ or ⅔ a number? Is 186,282.42±0.02 miles/second one number — or is it two or three of them? Is 6.02e23 a number? Is 3.141_592_653_58...

Cerberus

18:01

So why do people think HTML is especially difficult to parse with Regex?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

The length limit is 20,000 characters, isn’t it? That’s half a book.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Booklet, perhaps.

I thought it was 8k. Unclear.

But the limit is expressed in UTF-16 char-units not characters, so if you use anything interesting, they charge you double.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I might argue that it is possible to find interesting things even without going double. ;-)

tchrist

They get all pissy about my Gothic.

9

Q: Can’t change username to an all-alphabetic word

Summary: The alphabetic check is erroneously checking UTF-16 code units not Unicode code points! I attempted to change my username to the Gothic version, and I received the rather rudely rubicund retort of: Now, the string in question was 𐌸𐍇𐍂𐌹𐍃𐍄, which as you can plainly see, is entirel...

Not only can they not count them correctly, they don’t even recognize them as the alphabetics they are. This is out of compliance with UTS 18: Unicode Regular Expressions.

It is a classic Java/C#/Windows bug stemming from misunderstanding characters and codepoints and physical UTF-16 representations. They are not handling the characters in a sufficiently abstract fashion, so they’re fucking up. You never see somebody dealing with UTF-8 or UTF-32 make that mistake.

Cerb will never talk to me again if I do that.

But at least he will still be able to see me.

Apparently some people shall not, like Mari-Lou, for whom I shall become invisible.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus technically it is impossible to write a regex to parse any HTML. HTML is not regular, and regular expressions only work with regular languages

Janus Bahs Jacquet

18:10

@tchrist Never? Oh yes you will! I can’t tell you how many times my address has been rejected various places online (in UTF-8 environments) because the city name contains a ‘non-letter’ (ø).

tchrist

@MattЭллен Careful now.

Matt Эллен

but regex can be written to cope with specific bits of HTML

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Ah, by regular you mean structured around the existence of separate lines?

Matt Эллен

@tchrist OK, the Regex taught in CS class

Cerberus

As in a regula.

Matt Эллен

18:11

@Cerberus I'm not good at explaining what a regular language it...

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet They lie.

$ perl -Mutf8 -le 'print "ø" =~ /\p{Letter}/ ? "Good" : "Evil"'
Good

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Oh, then I don't understand...

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus hang on

tchrist

@MattЭллен No, you mean in finite automata classes. I’ve taught recursive patterns in CS classes.

Cerberus

I have used Regex to parse HTML, but of course only for simple things.

Matt Эллен

18:12

@tchrist ok, yeah. I didn't do CS at uni, I've only just started to learn about it recently.

tchrist

A regular language is one that does not require auxiliary storage proportionate to the length of its input to parse.

Cerberus

That sounds very technical, whatever "auxiliary storage" means.

tchrist

It therefore cannot solve for aⁿbⁿ for arbitrary n.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Exactly, they lie. That’s what I meant: you do see people dealing with UTF-8 make such mistakes.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet But it’s so easy!!!

758

A: Why does modern Perl avoid UTF-8 by default?

🌴 🐪🐫🐪🐫🐪 🌞 𝕲𝖔 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖚 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝕯𝖔 𝕷𝖎𝖐𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖘𝖊 🌞 🐪🐫🐪 🐁 𝓔𝓭𝓲𝓽 : 𝙎𝙞𝙢𝙥𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙩 ℞: 𝟕 𝘿𝙞𝙨𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙚 𝙍𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙙𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 Set your PERL_UNICODE envariable to AS. This makes all Perl scripts decode @ARGV as UTF‑8 strings, and sets the encoding of al...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

18:14

(If by ‘dealing with’ you mean ‘code so-called professional websites in’)

tchrist

Actually, I recommend my Unicode chapter in PP4.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I should probably mention that I’ve never dealt with Perl in any way. ;-)

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet But you could learn Unicode handling irrespective of the language that way.

@JanusBahsJacquet Hm, I wonder if I could coin anacreous for your condition, or whether amargaritacean might now work better? Sounds a bit bitter, though.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Oh, I’ve never had a problem with my own Unicode handling (except in some cases where a host unexpectedly forced MySQL connections to ISO-8859-1 or things like that). But I see it so often, even these days, when having to sign up for things or write my address for various shipping purposes on international sites that I’ve just given up and simply write ‘Copenhagen’ instead of ‘København’.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus eh. It would require me to write out a chapter of a book to explain, because I can't condense it easily :(

!!wiki regular language

KitSox

18:18

Regular language

In theoretical computer science and formal language theory, a regular language is a formal language that can be expressed using a regular expression. (Note that the "regular expression" features provided with many programming languages are augmented with features that make them capable of recognizing languages that can not be expressed by the formal regular expressions (as formally defined below).) Alternatively, a regular language can be defined as a language recognized by a finite automaton. In the Chomsky hierarchy, regular languages are defined to be the languages that are generated...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Anacreous? As in ‘having no mother-of-pearl’?!

tchrist

The tyranny of the typewriter seems an immortal evil.

@JanusBahsJacquet Chicken, please meet Egg. Egg, please meet Chicken.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Amargaritacean seems to fit me quite well, though: no margaritas for me, please!

tchrist

blushes for his accidental appellation

Matt Эллен

and a finite automaton is an automaton that has a finite number of states which it could be in and only one way to get from one state to another. (IIRC)

tchrist

18:21

@JanusBahsJacquet I don’t have the affixes handy to have my way with μαργαρίτης, so you’ll have to settle for that one.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Oh! That took me a while. I was wondering what condition you were referring to … I thought of mother-of-*perl*, and yet it didn’t click.

tchrist

84

A: The recognizing power of "modern" regexes

Pattern Recursion With recursive patterns, you have a form of recursive descent matching. This is fine for a variety of problems, but once you want to actually do recursive descent parsing, you need to insert capture groups here and there, and it is awkward to recover the full parse structure ...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I guess anacreous would work very well for all Danes if you morphemise it a bit differently. We certainly have no mountain peaks here, that’s for sure.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist cool

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Haha OK fair enough.

Is anyone interested in Russian oil politics in relation to the Ukrainian invasion(s)? This is a very interesting article with lots of information formerly unbeknownst to me:

"Russian oil motives in Ukraine" By STEVE AUSTIN for OIL-PRICE.NET, 2014/04/07

I know neither the website nor the author, but it is well written.

tchrist

18:31

@JanusBahsJacquet README, or rather, read Bringhurst.

> Early computers and e‐mail links were, by comparison, living in typographic poverty. The alphabet they used was the basic character set defined by the American Standard Code for Information Interchange, or ᴀᴀsᴄɪɪ. Each character was limited to seven bits of binary information, so the maximum number of characters was 2⁷ = 128.

> Thirty‐three of those were normally subtracted for control codes, and one was the code for an empty space. This leaves 94: not even enough to hold the standard working character set of Spanish, French, or German. The fact that such a character set was long considered adequate tells us something about the cultural narrowness of American civilization, or American technocracy, in the midst of twentieth century.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Nice write-up (but then I tend to rather like Bringhurst, even if he does sometimes babble). Only one inaccuracy I can find: no typesetter ever truly mastered 20,000 characters in Chinese. No text contains anywhere near that number, and hapax characters are hardly ‘mastered’ by the typesetter for more than ten minutes.

8–10,000 is realistic; 20,000 is not.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet s/babble/rhapsodize/ unless you’re referring to his work with North American languages.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Also, I find this quite awesome!

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Cuz?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist No, just that sometimes, he gives (or gave, at least—no idea how much has been changed in recent versions) what I would call downright bad advice.

tchrist

18:40

I think I mention that entry somewhere.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Because Allerød is a place quite familiar to me (it’s on the local commuter train line not far from here), and I had absolutely no idea whatsoever that it was also a period a long time ago.

Yeah, I got it from the list in the post you linked to above.

tchrist

Right.

I grepped the OED and then ran it through the Unicode Collation Algorithm.

Dang it, my Safari is about to crash.

@JanusBahsJacquet I wonder which version you have.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Embarrassingly, I don’t have any version of it. blushes

I’ve only read through borrowed copies (never read the whole thing end to end). But those were probably first or second versions.

tchrist

Oh for goodness’ sake!

I have extras.

I keep threatening to send Cerb one.

I think he’s at v4 or so by now.

His Brief History of the Printed Word update is also worthwhile.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I keep meaning to buy it, and then forgetting to. Why can’t it just be easily available online like Chicago?

tchrist

18:47

That is a fine question for which there exists a fine answer.

Which I cannot imagine that you could not yourself figure out if you put half your mind to doing so, and maybe less.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Money, presumably. :-/

Cerberus

@tchrist I have to defend America from you in this case: I don't think it is that unreasonable to start with the support of only basic characters as you are building a system.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet No.

It is a book about typesetting books.

Cerberus

@tchrist What? What would you send me?

@JanusBahsJacquet Are you Danish?

tchrist

To be “available online” in anything short of exact PDF would be an abomination, and even that loses so much of the character as to diminish its impact.

@Cerberus Bringhurst.

Cerberus

18:51

I think you mentioned this...

tchrist

Ever and anon.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Well, yes, and it’s not very web-oriented at all … but then, that goes (mostly) for Chicago as well. A really good graphic designer could make Bringhurst beautiful on the Web. It would be a different beast than its dead-tree counterpart, but it could work.

Cerberus

@tchrist You know I am pre-print...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus You came out before yourself?

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Do you have any idea how many typefaces he uses? And how the hell do you demo hanging-punctuation on the web? It is simply impossible.

Cerberus

18:53

@JanusBahsJacquet Um what?

tchrist

Truly, just get the real book. You will not be disappointed. On this you have my solemn word, sub poena of being forever branded a man whose word is worthless.

Jez

evening

tchrist

We know what the Danes do to oathbreakers.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Sure, it would be large and take some power—but I’m convinced it could work. (CSS-based exdentation has been around for ages, no?)

@tchrist Yeah, we send them off to represent us in the EU Parliament

Cerberus

So you are a Dane?

tchrist

18:55

> For so sworn, good or evil, an oath may not be broken, and it shall pursue oathkeeper and oathbreaker to the world’s end.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus If you’re (a) preprint—you were printed before the main release. I presume you’re a one-off job, rather than part of a larger production of Cerberi, so you’d have had to come out before you yourself came out. Logical!

Yup, that I am

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You’re predating him.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Actually, I think we found out we equidate each other.

tchrist

I was referring more to predatory acts than ones relating to antedating, or even eamdating.

Now, what do you call an eam in English, damn it?

Oh that’s right. You don’t.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet Ah, in that way. But I left out that article of yours for a reason!

tchrist

18:59

Your eme is supposed to be your mother’s brother, not your father’s.

> Beowulf 881 — He swulces hwæt secᵹan wolde eam his nefan.

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