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12:09 AM
> I’m always–always–amazed at the crappiness of mobile networks in the US, every time I’m home. My phone works so much faster in the middle of nowhere, in rural China or India.
Is this true?
 
12:51 AM
@Cerberus Ask someone who lives in rural China or India.
 
@tchrist I am not inclined to believe it is true to the extent suggested.
But my friend told me he still had fast mobile Internet in the Algerian desert, hundreds of km from the nearest town. Or something.
Cell towers are cheap these days...
 
@Cerberus Desert != Mountains
You simply are not going to have coverage in the mountains. Sorry, have a nice day.
 
Possibly.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Cool.
Wow, the Buckinghams? Really?
 
To be honest, I never use mobile Internet abroad except in case of an emergency, because it is so damn expensive, even in Europe.
 
1:26 AM
@Cerberus abroad for you is anywhere outside of your border?
 
@Mitch Yes? Where else?
What is it to you?
 
I'm just wondering if your mobile Internet goes up just as your cross your border into another country.
 
What do you mean "goes up"?
 
The cost?
 
1:27 AM
I can send you the files.
 
As soon as I cross the border to, say, Belgium, the rates go up a lot. Thanks to the EU, now less so than before, but still.
Outside the EU, it is completely outrageous.
 
hey baby, they're playin' our song / the one they used to play when we used to get along
!!youtube the buckinghams hey baby
 
@Mitch So is that what you meant?
 
@Cerberus I left out 'charges'. Do your charges go up a lot as you cross the border?
 
1:35 AM
@Mitch What charges?
I don't know what that means.
I am charged a rate.
 
@Cerberus do you mean Sweden to Norway, or into Switzerland, or do you mean, say, into the US or Morocco?
 
Like 20 cents/minute in the EU, or something.
@Mitch I don't understand your question; I suspect divergent premises.
If I am in the EU, I pay ca. 20c/m to call someone up. There are no other rates or charges.
 
I'm just shocked that the charges go up so quickly when crossing borders within the EU.
 
@Mitch Yes, it's ridiculous.
> Bellen naar Nederland € 0,29
Lokaal bellen € 0,29
Gebeld worden € 0,08
Ontvangen van voicemail Gratis
Afluisteren van voicemail € 0,29
Bellen naar T-Mobile klantenservice Gratis
Bellen naar EU landen (zone 1) € 0,29
Bellen naar T-Mobile Buitenland landen (zone 2) € 1,27
Bellen naar overige landen (zone 3) € 2,29
If I am in Belgium or Estonia or Greece or anywhere in the EU but outside Holland, I pay 0,29/minute to call any EU number anywhere.
However, a prepaid call from Holland to Holland may actually cost more than that.
But that is like 3 cents in my SIM-only plan.
 
Oh.
Maybe it's the plan?
 
1:42 AM
No, these are the maximum rates ordained by the EU.
Before, the rates within the EU used to be more like outside the EU, so like € 2/minute or so.
 
Maybe there's a different plan that's cheaper though.
 
(Of course all the telcos charge us the maximum rates, because there is no free market, just a bunch of oligopolies.)
@Mitch There isn't, except that you can now buy special bundles that result in a somewhat lower rate per minute if you make lots of calls.
 
People should just talk in person. A train trip, then talk for hours, amortizes the cost of the ticket.
 
Yay!
 
2:02 AM
That's nice.
 
I've used f.lux for a while. It's pretty neat.
 
2:18 AM
kicks chat
 
2:40 AM
> Ctenophores really are amazing and Bolinopsis is one of my favorites. Like many other ctenophores, it has an elementary 'brain' at one end, the aboral organ. As far as we know it's used mostly to determine the orientation of the animal in the water column. The interesting thing with Bolinopsis is that you can chop this 'brain' off - and it grows back in a couple of days! The animal kind of wobbles around brainless for a while, but once the organ grows back it's mostly capable of righting itself in the water.
 
That poor creature.
 
Ahh hello, my friend.
I know you.
The Crusher.
But now it's bed time.
Bye!
 
 
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6:22 AM
Hi. I have a doubt about a letter I should write: http://www.ielts-exam.net/general_writing_samples_task_1/746/

Here I am supposed to be looking for a part-time job at a football club. I must write a letter to the club manager for the same.

What is the best way to decide how to start the letter?

Should I start saying: "I am writing to enquire if there is a vacancy for a part-time job at your club..."

OR

"I am writing to ask if there is a vacancy for a part-time job..."
The answer given there the writer has used a less-formal tone...
 
 
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9:34 AM
posted on May 25, 2014 by sgdi

A man with a spot on his face Thought that it wasn’t too ace So he picked and he scratched And he burned with a match But the spot was too hard to erase

 
 
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11:32 AM
@KitSox Gawd.
I guess the only response to that is this:
Or maybe:
But then there's always:
 
 
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12:45 PM
Is this the first punk song ever?
 
Define: punk
 
!!define punk
 
@Robusto punk (obsolete, countable) A prostitute; courtezan.
 
There you go.
 
!!wiki punk
 
12:54 PM
Punk rock (simply Punk) is a rock music genre that developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock. Punk bands created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY ethic; many bands self-produced recordings and distributed them through informal channels. The term "punk" was first used in relation to roc...
 
There you go :-)
 
And so it goes.
 
!!wiki pop music
 
Pop music (a term that originally derives from an abbreviation of "popular") is a genre of popular music which originated in its modern form in the 1950s, deriving from rock and roll. The terms "popular music" and "pop music" are often used interchangeably, even though the former is a description of music which is popular (and can include any style). As a genre, pop music is very eclectic, often borrowing elements from other styles including urban, dance, rock, Latin and country; nonetheless, there are core elements which define pop. Such include generally short-to-medium length songs, ...
 
!!wiki classic rock
 
12:57 PM
Classic rock is a radio format which developed from the album-oriented rock (AOR) format in the early 1980s. In the United States, the classic rock format features music ranging generally from the late 1960s to the late 1980s, primarily focusing on commercially-successful hard rock, blues rock, and arena rock popularized in the 1970s. Although the format appeals mainly to adults, many classic rock acts consistently attract new generations of fans. Some classic rock stations also play a limited number of current releases which are stylistically consistent with the station's sound, or from e...
 
!!wiki music
 
Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence. Its common elements are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture. The word derives from Greek (mousike; "art of the Muses"). The creation, performance, significance, and even the definition of music vary according to culture and social context. Music ranges from strictly organized compositions (and their recreation in performance), through improvisational music to aleatoric forms. Music can be divided into...
 
What are you trying to prove? I know the difference between punk and classic rock. I'm just saying that song feels more akin to the former than the latter.
 
@Rob I just tried out the superpower on SO. No go.
 
Is this some kind of put-on?
 
1:09 PM
Maybe it’s only on MSE?
Why would it garner so many votes then?
Why does the bot have rep?
 
Why would anyone care about meta? That's a whole other set of rules.
 
Yeah.
 
1:23 PM
Tip: avoid posting thought provoking or challenging questions on a Sunday. — Mari-Lou A 4 hours ago
 
2:13 PM
Something about our night of timber-rattling thunderstorms followed by the alpenglow of a clear dawn painting the western peaks inspired me to greet the new sun with the crashing grave and subsequent allegro di molto e con brio of Op. 13 #8. To which the prematurely awoken chthonic denizen could but groggily snark, “Well, that was pathetic.” :)
 
 
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3:54 PM
@Robusto nice.
Have that on vinyl.
 
4:07 PM
Hi!
 
How is today?
 
Sunny. Not sure if warm.
 
Still not?
What time is it, noon?
 
Warm. Snowing white fluffy things, too.
11:11. Make a wish.
 
4:11 PM
Ahh.
 
What about you, 8PM?
 
I wish for your day to be of moderate temperature, excusez le pléonasme.
It's 18:12.
 
WHat's CDT?
We're GMT+1.
 
Central Daylight Time.
 
4:13 PM
I don't know any names of time zones, not even my own.
 
We have four.
Pacific, Mountain, Central, and Eastern. Nova Scotia's on Atlantic.
And probably Newfoundland.
 
I don't know how many we have.
 
5:16 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Don't forget the Alaska/Hawaii time zones.
Alaska is GMT -9 and Hawaii/Aleutian is GMT -10.
 
@Cerberus You’re wrong. You are at GMT+2.
macbook# env TZ=Europe/Amsterdam date
Sun May 25 19:22:07 CEST 2014
macbook# date -u
Sun May 25 17:22:21 UTC 2014
macbook# date
Sun May 25 11:22:54 MDT 2014
QED
 
Another "I stopped reading when . . ." story:
I stopped reading when I saw that the font they were using was font-family: 'Mountains of Christmas'
Fuck everyone who uses novelty fonts for text. And I mean that literally.
 
Zoe
5:33 PM
what is that number below the names
 
Aggregate SE network reputation score.
 
Zoe
AH I see
 
Sun May 25 17:40:32 UTC 2014    Standard Time

Sun May 25 06:40:32 SST 2014    US/Samoa
Sun May 25 07:40:32 HST 2014    US/Hawaii
Sun May 25 08:40:32 HADT 2014   US/Aleutian
Sun May 25 09:40:32 AKDT 2014   America/Anchorage
Sun May 25 10:40:32 MST 2014    America/Phoenix
Sun May 25 10:40:32 MST 2014    US/Arizona
Sun May 25 10:40:32 PDT 2014    America/Los_Angeles
Sun May 25 10:40:32 PDT 2014    America/Tijuana
Sun May 25 10:40:32 PDT 2014    America/Vancouver
Sun May 25 11:40:32 EAST 2014   Pacific/Easter
@Cerb And now. You know. The Rest. Of the story.
This explains part of why programmers have so much trouble with dates.
These are especially bizarre:
Sun May 25 15:10:32 NDT 2014	Canada/Newfoundland
Sun May 25 23:10:32 IST 2014	Asia/Calcutta
Sun May 25 23:25:32 NPT 2014	Asia/Kathmandu
Sun May 25 17:40:32 UTC 2014	Standard Time
 
5:56 PM
@Cerberus voted, inspiration close to zero
 
6:29 PM
@tchrist Oh, the stupid daylight-saving time...see? I know nothing.
@tchrist Haha you know very well that I will absolutely not in a million years be able to remember that.
@JohanLarsson Well done! Whom did you vote for?
 
Moderaterna, dunno why really
considered the feminists cos they are haters, gotta respect that :)
 
Haha.
Moderaterna sounds good.
The Moderate Party (: "the Moderate Coalition Party", commonly referred to in Swedish as Moderaterna: "the Moderates") is a centre-right, liberal conservative political party in Sweden. The party was founded in 1904 as the General Electoral League by a group of conservatives in the Swedish parliament. The party has had two other names during its history: the National Organization of the Right (1938–1952) and the Rightist Party (1952–1969). Following the 2010 general election, where the party gained 30.06% of the vote, the party is the major component of the governing centre-right coalit...
Okay, so they sound like liberal-right.
 
6:46 PM
I can't defend it really, they have one guy who I respect a little. That is more than the other parties combined.
 
Haha OK fair enough.
I didn't know Sweden wasn't in NATO.
 
Who did you vote for? Not that I will know about it
 
7:09 PM
the pirates got 2.5%, the feminists 7%
voting closed, counting probably not finished
the environment guys 17%
 
7:55 PM
@JohanLarsson Ohh only 2.5 for the Pirates?
Does that mean they won't get any seats?
I voted for the environment guys, even though I'm not especially environmentish.
 
think so
 
Too bad, I think the Pirate MEPs did some good things in Parliament.
 
8:18 PM
@Cerberus Don't you guys also have DST?
 
@Robusto Whoops!
 
8:40 PM
@Alraxite Of course. That’s why @Cerb is currently in CEST = "Central European Summer Time" = UTC+2. He just thinks of himself as being one time-zone easter than Greenwich. However, Greenwich is currently observing DST, and thus is in BST aka WEST. Note that mapping of UTC offsets to time-zone abbreviations is many-to-many! Each offset has many names, and each name has many offsets, all different.
@Cerberus Nobody can. The many-to-many mapping of offsets to timezone abbreviations makes the use of casual use of timezone abbreviations in anything technical or accurate sheer folly. Use offsets when shove comes to push, which at least allow you to get back to Standard Time as needed for sorting etc.
This is a list of time zone abbreviations. {| class="wikitable sortable" ! Abbr. !!style="text-align:left;"| Name !! UTC offset |- | ACDT || Australian Central Daylight Time || UTC+10:30 |- | ACST || Australian Central Standard Time || UTC+09:30 |- | ACT || ASEAN Common Time || UTC+08 |- | ADT || Atlantic Daylight Time || UTC−03 |- | AEDT || Australian Eastern Daylight Time || UTC+11 |- | AEST || Australian Eastern Standard Time || UTC+10 |- | AFT || Afghanistan Time || UTC+04:30 |- | AKDT || Alaska Daylight Time || UTC−08 |- | AKST || Alaska Standard Time || UTC−09 |- | AMST ...
Check out the table. Notice how the same abbreviation maps to multiple offsets and vice versa.
 
@Alraxite We do, but I always forget how it works.
@tchrist Yay, so I'm not the only one with faulty brains!
By the way, I helped your fellow countrymen just now.
 
I think you guys turned your clocks behind an hour in Nov 2013.
 
Could be!
Clock-turning is so archaic.
I would be in favour of World Time.
 
I remember this because I had a conversation about this with a Dutchman at that time.
 
Oh!
 
8:47 PM
@Cerberus So you don't adjust your clocks? Or someone secretly does it for you?
And you never realise.
 
@Alraxite No, we do it.
 
Oh, okay.
 
But that doesn't make it any less archaic!
Our computers do it automatically, of course, but still.
 
@Cerberus Novo ordo temporum?
What is “World Time”? And don’t say tempus mundi.
You mean UTC?
 
@tchrist Tempus orbis terrarum.
I don't think mundus was often used to mean world in the classical age.
What is mean is that we pick one time, say, GMT, and every single person all over the world starts using that time, staring with governments.
 
8:57 PM
Sidereal time is a time-keeping system astronomers use to keep track of the direction to point their telescopes to view a given star in the night sky. Briefly, sidereal time is a "time scale that is based on the Earth's rate of rotation measured relative to the fixed stars." From a given observation point, a star found at one location in the sky will be found at nearly the same location on another night at the same sidereal time. This is similar to how the time kept by a sundial can be used to find the location of the Sun. Just as the Sun and Moon appear to rise in the east and set in th...
 
So shops here will close at 5, not 6, from now on.
 
@Cerberus Everybody who handles dates and times uses UTC for all internal work, only printing out things in localtime for humans.
 
Good.
 
Well, everybody who isn’t utterly fucked.
 
But that's only computer thingies/people.
 
8:58 PM
Many are without knowing it.
 
I want to be able to ask you "at what time do offices open where you are?", instead of "what time if it for you now? OK, let me calculate at what time I should call your office tomorrow, then".
 
The problem is that you want them to give an answer about their shops in your time.
That doesn’t work.
 
Yes.
But I am willing to adopt their time.
As long as it's one and the same time.
 
> Local time is the date/time reported by your PC (as seen by your web browser). If your PC clock is accurate to a second then the other time scales displayed above will also be accurate to within one second.
UTC, Coordinated Universal Time, popularly known as GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), or Zulu time. Local time differs from UTC by the number of hours of your timezone.
GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not pertur
GPS is finicky.
It doesn’t like us having the occasional 61-second minute.
Actually, it’s much more finicky than you would ever imagine. Without taking special relativity in to account, we couldn’t have GPS.
Which they do.
 
I know, I know.
Not precisely how it works, but something about relativity and very small variations.
 
9:05 PM
And yes, that is rocket-science!
The GPS satellites are constantly in motion compared with you (we conveniently make you the unmoving center of the universe for these calculations), which means that you and they see time progressing at different rates. This is Special Relativity.
However, there is also the frame-dragging effect of General Relativity due to the Earth’s mass. I know little about that.
So if you think programmers have trouble with times, just consider rocket scientists!
Frame-dragging because you can consider the Earth a rotating reference frame.
Of great mass.
Where are the math nuts when you need them?
Einstein's general theory of relativity predicts that non-static, stationary mass–energy distributions affect spacetime in a peculiar way giving rise to a phenomenon usually known as frame-dragging. The first frame-dragging effect was derived in 1918, in the framework of general relativity, by the Austrian physicists Josef Lense and Hans Thirring, and is also known as the Lense–Thirring effect. They predicted that the rotation of a massive object would distort the spacetime metric, making the orbit of a nearby test particle precess. This does not happen in Newtonian mechanics for which the...
 
> we conveniently make you the unmoving center of the universe for these calculations
D'oh!!
Scratch that last adverbial phrase.
 
@tchrist Could you give me an example where one name refers to many offsets?
 
9:21 PM
Hilarious.
 
Oh, okay.
Well, the abbreviations are understandable.
 
No they aren’t.
There is no way to know what one means.
 
You just say the whole thing.
 
I love that one: which it is depends on which year you’re talking about.
@Alraxite No, that won’t work either!!
 
9:28 PM
Except for that, yes.
 
Except except except.
It’s simply a disaster.
 
I couldn't find any other pairs with the exact same name on the wiki article. But the abbreviations are a disaster.
 
You didn’t look hard enough. :(
 
Oh, wow. Okay.
Hmm, I can't find the ’ key. @tchrist How do you do it?
Do you have a special keyboard?
 
No.
I have a Mac.
 
9:33 PM
By special, I mean a keyboard other than the most common one.
 
Doesn’t matter the keyboard.
 
Okay.
So, a Mac keyboard has the ’ key?
 
@Alraxite No, it’s a control-meta-cokebottle thing.
 
Yeah, I found that page.
 
You set up some keystroke with enough bucky bits that it does whatever you want it to do.
 
9:36 PM
You use a ALT+NUM PAD combo?
Oh, so you made some shortcuts.
Okay.
And I thought you used some Alt combo whenever you wanted to type it.
 
NUM PAD sucks donkey dick.
Shift+Opt+] is ’
Anything that moves my wrists from home-row position, or that I need to look at to type, is major fail and absolute disaster.
It means I never have to remember numeric codes.
Nor type them.
 
But you can't reach the arrow keys from the home row!
How do you move your cursor around the text?
When you make a mistake..
 
I never use the arrows.
I use ^H to erase the previous character, ^W the previous word, etc.
You can move left with ^B and right with ^F, but I prefer full edit mode for that stuff.
I’m a touch typist. We don’t play with anything that isn’t on the typewriter keyboard. It just screws you up.
 
Okay. Because you need it if you realise you made a mistake somewhere in the huge essay you're writing.
 
I write anything of length or consequence using a text editor.
And most everything else, too.
 
9:45 PM
I can touch type too, but I'm not very fast I think. And I'm not good with numbers or the special characters...
 
That was the Option keyboard.
This is the Shift+Option keyboard:
The orange keys are for composing.
So Opt-n sets you up to stick a tilde atop the next letter, like ñ, ã, etc.
It only works for precomposed stuff though. You have to use a different soft keyboard if you want the combining characters. Then you hit them AFTER the letter instead of before.
Similarly, Opt-e sets you up for an acuted vowel: é, í, ó, etc.
Opt-u is a diaeresis: ü, ï, ä
Opt-i is a circumflex: î, â, ê.
All very easy to remember and to type.
Opt-` is a grave accented character: à, è, etc.
Although in edit mode a remap that to ESC, since the thing to the left of the 1 key needs to be the ESC key.
I also remap CAPS LOCK to CONTROL no matter what I am doing.
That’s why it is easy for me to enter control characters for simple editing, like ^H to backup a letter. I never even think about it.
It’s a zen thing, like pinball.
The proper place for the CAPS LOCK key is in the rubbish.
Or Siberia.
The next room over is too close for my comfort.
 
I haven't used a mac so I don't much about what you're saying. But okay!
 
10:08 PM
@Cerb Please make my fingers stop typing hablative.
I swear somewhere we have a question with an answer that explains this:
No, exempli gratia does not mean “free example” in Latin; that would be something more like exemplum gratuitum. Rather, it is “From exemplī, the genitive singular of exemplum ("example") + grātiā, the ablative sg. of grātia ("a favor, the sake"). Literally meaning "for the sake of an example"”. This is a common misunderstanding, but wrong it remains. Causā works the same way, so metri causa is “for the meter’s sake” with metri in the genitive singular of metrum, not the nominative plural which would be metra. — tchrist 47 secs ago
@Cerb I’ve got crosstalk between hablar and hablante and such bumping up against ablative. And no, Spanish doesn’t use *hablativo for chatty. It does have ablativo for ablative of course.
But that can mean related to grammatical case or to um, ablation, the technical term.
Causa and gratia are like quasi-prepositions, almost.
 
10:29 PM
@Cerb Was there a scribal abbreviation for videlicet?
I mean, beyond viz., of course.
Something frillier.
Hm.
That’s rather good, better than most sources I’ve come across.
So I guess like or .
I thought there was a proposal for some of these on the table.
In v6 we have just these, but they are quite old in TUS:
‭ Ʒ  01B7       LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH
        * African, Skolt Sami
        * lowercase is 0292
        x (latin capital letter yogh - 021C)
        x (cyrillic capital letter abkhasian dze - 04E0)
‭ Ȝ  021C       LATIN CAPITAL LETTER YOGH
        x (latin capital letter ezh - 01B7)
‭ ȝ  021D       LATIN SMALL LETTER YOGH
        * Middle English, Scots
        x (latin small letter ezh - 0292)
        x (latin small letter insular g - 1D79)
‭ ʒ  0292       LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH
        = dram
Hm.
‭ ꝣ  A763       LATIN SMALL LETTER VISIGOTHIC Z
‭ ꝭ  A76D       LATIN SMALL LETTER IS
I think the latter is for medieval mss.
This isn’t very encouraging.
Oh, this is quite nice!. But that’s again just fonts not new code point assignments. The discouraging bit about the previous one was the PUA matter (Private-Use Area).
Ok, some of those are quite good, actually.
He’s certainly put a lot of work into it, don’t you think, @Cerb?
Insular stuff:
Kells:
Those face are not free, but he has done what I in my ignorance of paleography consider a very fine job, and I would pay for it if I were doing that sort of work. It’s not much for what it is.
 
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