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@Jez I hear they're maddeningly noisy if you live near them.
@Jez My father hates wind turbines too.
And I'm not saying I like their sight.
Jez
Jez
@Robusto yeah, that too. i'm lucky enough to to live near any... yet.
I'm just saying I think they're not super horrible once you get used to them, especially compared to the other stuff that we have to look at daily.
!!wiki wind turbine
Jez
Jez
@Cerberus i disagree. they're super-horrible. also, the other stuff we "have to look at" is usually necessary, whereas wind turbines are not, by any stretch of the imagination
00:01
A windmill is a machine that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. The reason for the name "windmill" is that the devices originally were developed for milling grain for food production; the name stuck when in the course of history, windmill machinery was adapted to supply power for many industrial and agricultural needs other than milling. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater. Windmills in a...
A wind turbine is a device that converts kinetic energy from the wind into electrical power. A wind turbine used for charging batteries may be referred to as a wind charger. The result of over a millennium of windmill development and modern engineering, today's wind turbines are manufactured in a wide range of vertical and horizontal axis types. The smallest turbines are used for applications such as battery charging for auxiliary power for boats or caravans or to power traffic warning signs. Slightly larger turbines can be used for making small contributions to a domestic power supply...
Sorry, I thought the difference was important :(
@Jez Power lines aren't exactly necessary...we don't have them like you do.
Did you know you @Cerberus are a part owner of the ELL room?
00:16
I'd rather be part owner of an NFL team.
which team?
@skullpatrol I do!
And I like it.
Obviously.
@skullpatrol Patriots, probably.
@Robusto >8(
Why, what team strikes your fancy?
00:21
Robusto: ON IGNORE
Oh, come on. I live in frickin' Massachusetts, ferchrissakes.
just kidding pal :D
So which team infests your ADI?
check my profile
Oh, a Raiders fan. Now I get the skullpatrol thing. Yeah, I don't feel I have to apologize to you at all.
00:25
!!youtube autumn wind raiders
@Robusto We still have nightmares about the "tuck rule."
@skullpatrol New England remembers Art Tatum, all right.
Ahrrr..
No team in NFL history has fallen so far, so fast after a superbowl appearance: 7 straight years of 11 or more losses per year.
You should switch to the Niners.
00:34
they whine too much
9er=whiner
@Robusto The league has banned preseason games between the 9ers and the raiders due to riots and stabbings.
I'm not surprised.
They wear they're 5 sb rings too proudly imo
Well, they're second only to Pittsburgh.
Now there is a team.
Old school domination.
Yep.
But I'm not a true-blue Pats fan. I'm from Chicago, so my heart belongs to the Bears.
So don't whine to me about your Raiders.
00:40
The Hawks gave us a great defensively dominant show too, yes?
thanks
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 but now I rock a bar stool and I drink for two
01:20
@Robusto TIL 'busto is from Chicago.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You didn't know that?
Nov 28 '12 at 18:20, by Robusto
My home town Chicago is.
@Robusto How could I have missed that?
Right?
So, today I re-remembered that my Flood is fucked up.
Pretty much from Mr. Horrible on.
How can it be fucked up?
Vinyl?
I wish I could get WMP to rip at a louder volume.
CD
Ah, that sucks.
It's already on the highest quality setting.
Is Nero still relevant?
Use LAME.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 No.
01:28
LAME!
red shoes, the angels wanna wear mah red shoes / red shoes
Red shoes, green shirt, blue chair.
Elvis is dead. Let him RIP
!!wiki Elvis
}} Elvis Aaron Presley (January 8, 1935 – August 16, 1977) was an American singer, musician, and actor. Regarded as one of the most significant cultural icons of the 20th century, he is often referred to as "the King of Rock and Roll", or simply, "the King". Born in Tupelo, Mississippi, Presley and his family moved to Memphis, Tennessee, when he was 13 years old. His music career began there in 1954, when he started to work with Sam Phillips, the owner of Sun Records. Accompanied by guitarist Scotty Moore and bassist Bill Black, Presley was an early popularizer of rockabilly, an uptemp...
01:35
Elvis the Lesser.
I don't know if you've heard this one.
Thank you.
you'll be someone else's baby / but I'll be underground / next time round
Ooh, right. More colors:
He's still got it.
I just put in This Year's Model to rip, and it started playing over that one up there. It wasn't terrible.
01:47
Are you LAME-encoding it?
@Rob How could you forget
@Robusto no
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Out of Our Idiot is such an under-appreciated album.
@Robusto I only have that on vinyl. My extendo copy of Trust has it on there.
Along with that upbeat Big Sister.
Yeah, I love that song.
I need to set back up my piano.
Need a piano stand.
01:49
Why you ever took it down?
Took it to the cat cave.
Fox cave too small for 88-keys.
Whoa! Weird ending.
Heard this one?
I want to say I have that album somewhere.
sister see, sister do
01:52
Funny, I do too, but it's not in my iTunes. WTF???
Could I have forgotten to rip an Elvis Costello album? I must be losing my mind.
she's got you playin' Russian roulette
I don't have Gaucho. -_-
I'm considering ripping the unfucked songs from Flood and buying singly the fucked.
Ah, just get it from Amazon. That's what I do now. Nine or ten bucks and you don't have to rip it yourself. They do great rips, too.
Always wanted a copy of El Mocambo.
Ex had it on vinyl.
11 mins ago, by Robusto
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Out of Our Idiot is such an under-appreciated album.
01:59
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I got that one as a freebie. beams
Back when I was a creative director in advertising I used to get free promo CDs.
He had some night job and heard the entirety of My Aim Is True over the radio when it was brand new.
Cool.
I can't even imagine . . . Elvis had just died, and here's this Buddy Holly on acid-lookin' dude calling himself Elvis.
Anyway.
roll out the bones / and raise up your pitcher / raise up your glass / to good king john
02:03
Who knew he would last? It was easy to think he was going to go the way of fads.
I think I've ripped all the EC I shall rip.
checks Girls Girls Girls tracklist
Ok, need those.
Damn, I'm out of scotch.
Cat cave?
02:08
Yeah. It's a pretty athletic performance.
!!youtube she's got the look
@Robusto my apartment cum storage unit.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Uh . . . "cum storage"? heh-heh, j/k.
02:12
i don't want to go to Chelsea / oh no, it does not move me / even though i've seen the movie
But like, I can get a CD copy of Out of Our Idiot for $4 with shipping and rip it myself, and have a CD copy.
Ditto for Flood.
Well, then that sounds like a plan.
she's filing her nails while they're dragging the lake
8 mins ago, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Damn, I'm out of scotch.
I'll have one for you.
pours cornbread a glass of Glengoyne
Ugh. Some of these bonus discs I haven't listened to for so long.
Wave a White Flag.
02:16
savor the things that sobriety brings
I'm gonna need a bigger SD card.
Mmm, Jazzmaster.
though it nearly took a miracle to get you to stay / it only took my little finger to blow you away
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Q: What are all those extra controls on the Fender Jazzmaster?

luser droogThe wikipedia article says a lot, but doesn't dissect the artifact.

@Robusto you're very colorful with your compliments as you feel the finger's friction
Weird; the Armed Forces bonus disc has a bunch of stuff from MAiT and TYM.
Yeah. It's hard to keep track.
The American releases were all bastardized, hence "make-up" discs like Taking Liberties.
:(
I have that on vinyl only.
02:21
Put it on your bucket list: get together sometime, drink scotch and listen to EC.
The thing is, you could never hope to get to all the really great songs in just one evening.
Scotch is just as good in the afternoon.
. . . I imagine.
02:29
Heh.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Nice. And there he is with a Telecaster.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Haha, like you've never tried it.
@Robusto He gets around, guitar-wise.
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Q: What is the difference between a mode and a scale?

XzoechordI can't seem to find a straight definition for both.

Nobody really nails this.
I can't believe nobody has answered this question with anything approaching a real understanding of the difference. — Robusto 8 secs ago
Bunch of copied-out-of-Wikipedia wannabe rep-whoring.
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I have a date with a nightcap. I'll ta'k at ye laterz.
You might catch hell if you don't answer it.
Lay tar.
02:37
Too late. Too sleepy. Too much.
Too night.
Night!
she thought too late and spoke too soon
no, that's wrong
Could've sworn Get Happy!! had a bonus disc.
!!youtube elvis costello long honeymoon
02:46
Hi!
There is a mosquito here.
Houdoe is actually Dutch!
Yesss!
O_O
If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much.
02:46
But I am over my mortal hatred of mosquitos, as long as I'm home.
But they are bitey.
They are, but I don't care that much any more.
And they carry Malaria, Dengue, West Nile, and something else.
Maybe the bites are less itchy as I grow older.
Oh, well, not here.
02:49
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I like it!
@Cerberus I thought that thing was pretty cool.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You still go crazy from the itch?
@Cerberus oh yeah. I used to hold my cigarette really close to bites.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yes, it could be useful for medium-sized pools.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oww poor you.
Have you tried ice cubes?
@Cerberus I will next time.
02:51
They work really well for a minute or so, and after that you have hopefully forgotten about the bite.
I guarantee that you will feel no itch for a minute or so after removing the ice cube (and of course during).
And you feel like you can Do Something.
03:22
So I resurrected an old PC. But now I don't know what to do with it.
It's very slowly installing Linux.... But I already have a better Linux workstation. I could install xp, but that's dangerous.
Anonymous
Old computers are funny. My brother saves old things, and he has my family's old Commodore 64s and Commodore 128. I tried typing on the C64 keyboard recently and it felt super clunky. It's funny how I don't remember it being hard to type on at all. I'm spoiled by mechanical keyboards.
@snailboat did you take typing in high school?
Anonymous
@skullpatrol No, I learned to type when I learned to read, write, and do arithmetic.
Anonymous
My parents and my brother are programmers, and we got our Commodore 64 when I was three years old, so I've always had computers around and people around to learn about them from. I think the computer was part of how I learned all of those basic skills.
03:34
Well this old computer is windows Vista era. At least the motherboard is. Not THAT old
Anonymous
I like my new computer. It's quiet! The long-term trend toward larger and slower-running fans makes me happy.
Anonymous
My last computer before this was from 2007, and it was what I thought of as "quiet" at the time, but still very audible.
Anonymous
I can't think of anything to do with my old computer, either.
i'll take it :-)
Anonymous
Oh, no, that's okay :-)
04:06
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ohh what will happen, will it explode?
 
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07:02
Happy Birthday @KitFox :-)
 
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09:41
Happy Friday to all!
Anonymous
@MattЭллен Merry Friday!
Thank you!
Ugh. You people still worship Friya? Not PC, and so commercial.
Happy Festivday to everyone!
Holiday weekend starts here tonight.
09:52
What holiday is it this time?
Holiday week for me :D
Banker's day?
Memorial Day on Monday.
The last Monday in May
Hm. Strange placement.
09:53
Why strange?
Used to be the Monday after pentecost
(In the UK)
@Robusto I dunno, when did you get your capitulation signed?
France was 8th, Russia was 9th.
but they've moved it to be the last Monday in May
Got nothing to do with dates, I think.
!!wiki Memorial Day
Memorial Day is a US federal holiday wherein the men and women who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces are remembered. The holiday, which is celebrated every year on the final Monday of May, was formerly known as Decoration Day and originated after the American Civil War to commemorate the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. By the 20th century, Memorial Day had been extended to honor all Americans who have died while in the military service. It typically marks the start of the summer vacation season, while Labor Day marks its end. Many people visi...
09:54
Oh, Civil War.
Well then.
!!wiki Spring bank holiday
@MattЭллен Were you trying to invoke me? Maybe you meant: ping
A bank holiday is a public holiday in the United Kingdom, Commonwealth countries, other European countries such as Switzerland, and a colloquialism for a public holiday in Ireland. There is no automatic right to time off on these days, although banks close and the majority of the working population is granted time off work or extra pay for working on these days, depending on their contract. The first official bank holidays were the four days named in the Bank Holidays Act 1871, but today the term is colloquially (albeit incorrectly) used for public holidays which are not officially bank ...
@MattЭллен Maybe you meant: every day of the year.
sorry, sox, don't know what I was thinking
!!ping
@MattЭллен Input not matching /[-t ]*(\w+)/. Help: User-taught command: <> $1 ....
09:55
What is this grammer.
Figures the Brits would name their holidays after banks.
!!help ping
@MattЭллен ping: User-taught command: <> $1 ....
!!ping something
something ....
09:55
Bank of the Ohio holiday.
Where you plunge knives into breasts.
Turkey breasts, of course.
Anonymous
Scary!
That's Ohio for you.
Your scary is my Thanksgiving.
See.
A typical Ohioan there.
09:56
Where we thank God we can kill birds and eat them.
Anonymous
I don't participate
When do you thank birds you can kill God and eat him?
Anonymous
I think last year I had a veggie burger on Thanksgiving.
!!wiki Thanksgiving Day
09:57
, (Canada); November , (Liberia); November , (Norfolk Island); November , (USA) |date = October , (Canada); November , (Liberia); November , (Norfolk Island); November , (USA, Puerto Rico) }} Thanksgiving Day (Jour de l'Action de grâce in Canadian French) is a national holiday celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada as a day of giving thanks for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year. Several other places around the world observe similar celebrations. It is celebrated on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States and on the second Monda...
@RegDwigнt Good Friday?
@MattЭллен good. Just checking. Checks and balances.
@Robusto see, I only ever celebrate Thankstaking.
You lose.
@skullpatrol If every day was Friday then no day would be.
09:58
Yeah
@RegDwigнt You are so Putinesque.
Anonymous
@RegDwigнt Rebel.
without a cause
@Robusto it's spelled puttanesca.
09:58
It's spelled puta.
askin Putin
Yes, the root is.
Spaghetti alla puttanesca (literally "spaghetti a la whore" in Italian) is a tangy, somewhat salty Italian pasta dish invented in the mid-20th century. The ingredients are typical of Southern Italian cuisine: tomatoes, olive oil, olives, capers and garlic. Origin Various accounts exist as to when and how the dish originated, but it likely dates to the mid-twentieth century. The earliest known mention of it is in Raffaele La Capria’s Ferito a Morte (Mortal Wound), a 1961 Italian novel which mentions "spaghetti alla puttanesca come li fanno a Siracusa (spaghetti alla puttanesca as they make...
!!wiki putin
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (, born 7 October 1952) has been the President of Russia since 7 May 2012. He previously served as President from 2000 to 2008, and as Prime Minister of Russia from 1999 to 2000 and again from 2008 to 2012. During his last term as Prime Minister, he was also the Chairman of the United Russia political party. For 16 years Putin served as an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991. He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration whe...
That is not Putin. That is Dubya.
09:59
I wonder if Putin eats Takeout.
OMG it's a conspiracy.
George Dubya Putin
Putin led the US into the Iraq war.
they're married
Brothers in harms.
I guess it was to pay back for the US leading the USSR into Afghanistan.
Cheques and bank balances.
10:01
Afghanistan has not seen peace in a loooong time :(
Well that's their line of trade.
Not everyone can be a sissy.
location, location, location
Précisement.
!!wiki Afghanistan
}} | }}}} |common_name = Afghanistan |image_flag = Flag of Afghanistan.svg |image_coat = Coat of arms of Afghanistan.svg |symbol_type = Emblem |image_map = Afghanistan (orthographic projection).svg |image_map2 = Afghanistan - Location Map (2013) - AFG - UNOCHA.svg |national_anthem = Afghan National Anthem |languages_type = Official languages |languages = |religion = Islam |demonym = Afghan |capital = Kabul |latd=34 |latm=32 |latNS=N |longd=69 |longm=08 |longEW=E |largest_city = Kabul |government_type = Unitary presidential republic |leader_title1 = President |leader_name1 = Hamid Karzai ...
10:07
tops our list of the world’s most dangerous countries
I see. So that passes for writing for Forbes.
 
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11:26
0
A: What is the difference between a mode and a scale?

RobustoSorry, but I have to chime in after all this time. The answers given here, while accurate, convey none of the most critical distinctions, nor of how modes sound to the ear in a way different from scales. And how things sound is what music is all about. Otherwise you may as well describe the diffe...

You almost make it sound like you know your shit.
Speaking of which, I rewatched Young People's Concerts a couple months ago. Always a pleasure.
And always disheartening how even after all the explanation he does, I still don't automagically hear some of the stuff he's been talking about.
Heh, yeah. I always get lost in just listening. We don't dissect art until after, sometimes long after, it has its effect on us.
Right.
It's just that he keeps talking for an hour how to recognize shit, and then plays the piece again, and yeah I can tell alright it sounds strange, but I still can't tell if it's myxolydian strange or some other strange.
So I feel like I went to school and wasted a day slacking around in the last row.
I guess you incorporate it more by playing than by listening?
Might be. I dunno.
After a certain point your fingers just know where to press, without thinking what's okay and what's not.
So if you tell me, improvise in C sharp minor, I can do that. But if you tell me, just play the scale, I will go like WTF dude how am I supposed to do that.
If you tell me, play the double dominant or the mediant of X, I will do that in my sleep. If you ask me to tell you what the double dominant or the mediant is, I will think for a split second first.
And that's on a piano, mind you. There are music instruments where you don't even have to know it in the first place, like the accordion left hand.
11:47
Yeah, but you had to translate the words into the concept before you could play it. If you approach it only from the music, the dominant of the dominant is just obvious in whatever key you're playing in.
Hm.
I suppose so.
You suppose right.
I do have the feeling that knowing the theory messes up with my accordion playing. I always forget which way is the dominant and which the subdominant.
If I were oblivious of these things, I'd just let the fingers do the job for me.
Kind of the point I was making in that answer. Music is about music, not analysis.
Depends on the music for me. I actually like analyzing, say, pop songs. To see "howhedunit". But with, say, Beethoven or Chopin it's not quite as fun. It does lose some of the magic once you realize it's the same old same old.
Die kochen auch nur mit Wasser.
Which is why I actually don't even like playing certain pieces at all.
As soon as I do just once, at least some of the howhedunit flies straight into your face and you can do nothing about it.
11:55
@RegDwigнt Well, it's a lot more involved trying to analyze Beethoven or Chopin than, say, Justin Bieber.
Exactly.
But I like to analyze complicated music to see howhedunit. Usually it's some simple thing that just works, and that can be edifying and exhilarating.
I think Bach is actually my favorite in that regard because I could play a piece for years without noticing half the stuff he's doing. It's so complex I couldn't analyze it to death even if I tried.
But playing, say, the Grand Sonate Pathetique sort of ruins it for me because it's just a couple chords in an obvious progression.
I agree with that. I still don't understand many of his practices that just work to the ear. That's because the music theory I learned, which was derived from analysis of the works of composers like Bach, imperfectly assigns "rules" to what is for Bach just natural practice.
@Robusto OK but ... what then is the difference between "This piece of music is in the key of C major" vs "This piece of music is in the Ionian mode starting at C"
12:01
@Mitch The differences can be subtle, but I can tell you that the Ionian mode will not modulate in the same way. But a chord formed by starting on the fifth scale step and adding the next three thirds will be indistinguishable from the V7 in diatonic music.
It really is hard to get unless you live things. I know the basic technical theory, what the diatonic scale is and how the modes are assigned to it, but none of that tells you what the feeling is (which I don't get because I only know a few classic pieces but not a modal piece). Even writing about it is like dancing about architecture.
Called, I am come.
12:44
Khaled, I am Aisha.

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