English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

terdon

00:02

Shame that Cerberus wasn't Janus's dog really.

Cerberus

That would have made for an interesting dynamic here!

So why didn't your ancestors come up with a funner mythology?

Mine were running around in animal skins.

terdon

@Cerberus So were mine, but it was hot enough and they had slaves enough to spend their time getting high and imagining funky stories.

And Greek mythology is pretty fun! And funky.

Cerberus

Haha, they weren't wearing woollen tunics?

It would be really cool to be Greek.

Such a history!

terdon

00:20

@Cerberus Well, whether there is any connection between the Ancient ones and us is very debatable. Also, it's great to have an impressive history but I'd rather have a decent present.

Hell, the last time Greece did anything (good) that was heard outside the country was 3000 odd years ago.

Oh, well, apart from winning the 2nd world war that is. (Yes, people honestly believe that)

Cerberus

@terdon Nooo there is a connection, if only the language!

@terdon Nonsense, Greece is a nice and relatively rich country.

terdon

Yes, indeed it is, there are wonderful things about it.

And yes, there is a cultural connection.

Cerberus

There you go.

terdon

I'd just like to be proud of something we did in the last, say, 300 years?

Cerberus

You were philosophising when we were stuck in the mud.

terdon

00:24

@Cerberus And killing each other. Le's not forget that. But yes, true.

Cerberus

Everybody did.

terdon

Also true.

And at least we were never sticks in the mud :)

Cerberus

Because there's only rocks?

terdon

00:41

@Cerberus no, no mud to speak of, it never rains.

Robusto

but it's easier to say "i love you" than "yours sincerely" I suppose / all little sisters like to try on big sister's clothes

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

01:47

@Robusto p-p-s-i-l-o-v-e-y-o-u

chaskes

@terdon Past 300 years? Cavafy and Kazantzakis come to mind.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

►

@Rob ^

terdon

@chaskes Wow! Just wow. Yes, absolutely, fair enough. Those two are great!

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Wow, tranZends?

chaskes

@terdon That's it folks! I'm out of here...

terdon

Later!

chaskes

01:53

Just a Seinfeld reference

Still here

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@terdon hey, what?

terdon

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 How do you pronounce transcends? With a Z or S sound?

chaskes

[transends]

terdon

^^

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@terdon oh, oh I see. Tran-sends.

terdon

01:55

The guy in the video that cornbread posted said tranZends and I was just surprised is all.

chaskes

There's a trend to voice s -> z between voiced sounds. Cf. how some people say abZurd.

terdon

That just sounds weird to me.

Well, absurd actually.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Interesting.

Christ, she still smokes.

terdon

@Robusto Hey, if I manage to get to that age, I'm not about to quit then!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto right?

Robusto

01:59

@terdon cuz I've seen some fine, fine voices come down to . . . smoke and ash

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Fricative.

terdon

True. And then you have Tom Waits.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I quit.

Tom Waits for no man.

terdon

Ouch :)

chaskes

@terdon I hate it. but it's growing. If you've ever seen MASH, Charles used to do it. It started with the upper crust but has been trickling down

Robusto

02:00

I see what you did there.

terdon

@chaskes Never seen the series, loved the movie though.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Mid-Atlantic! Rheally, dahling.

chaskes

Movie is one of...the...best...ever

terdon

Ha! I've got a mid-Atlantic accent but don't do that

And yes, MASH is a great movie.

chaskes

mid-Atlantic US? That's me. What are we talking about with that one?

Robusto

02:01

Great movie, yes. Sucky TV show, though.

terdon

@chaskes I meant smack in the middle of the Atlantic, strange mix of UK and US.

chaskes

lol. ok

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

more like a booby trap than a booby prize

resuscitates chat

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Am virtually tornado-proof this close to mountains, half-mile to my west. But there were several further east out on the plains.

@terdon Azorzh?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist Good.

Help me remember to get a road report before departure.

terdon

02:14

@tchrist Round about there, yeah.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 They’re blasting at the Tunnel right now.

Meaning, at THE Tunnel.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist oh dear.

tchrist

@11 kilofeet on I-70.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Um.

tchrist

Highest point in US Interstate System, and it’s underground.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:15

Will they be finished by this time next month?

tchrist

Tunnels under the Divide.

Good question.

Blasting will be done.

terdon

Are the bears gone @tchrist?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Do I need that part of 70?

tchrist

Yes, they wondered up the mountain.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Where are you going again?

Estes?

No, then.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yestes.

How th--

tchrist

02:16

You take US-36 to Boulder and then to Estes.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

How'd you do that?

Lodging off of 66.

tchrist

Over the Divide and back around.

But if you come around to the back side, then make your way back to 70, you’ll be on the Pacific Side.

If you go Over the Top and don’t return, then there will be the Tunnel.,

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

:x

tchrist

Other routes are possible and lovely, but longer.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

how long / to the point of know return

tchrist

02:18

You can drop down to Highway 50.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Okay.

tchrist

But they don’t dare close it off forever.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm going to see what AAA says, also. They sent me a free map and tour book.

tchrist

I think only one side was working while they were blasting the other.

But there is also the summer go-round/over bit for HC.

Can’t go through Tunnel with HC.

So they have an alt route, up and around and over.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

HC?

tchrist

02:20

Hazmat

Hazardous Cargo

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Don't think we will have HC.

tchrist

Tisn’t the point.

Point is there’s an HC go-round.

Long windy dirt road way high.

Slow.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh dear.

tchrist

But possible, during the 3 weeks of summer or whatever.

RMNP has a road at 12 kf, I-70 is only 11 kf due to Tunnel.

Mt Evans has road to 14 kf, but it is not a through-road. You come back whence you came.

You should do Mt Evans.

Turn off is at Idaho Springs.

We have lots of roads here open only Memorial Day to Labor Day or so.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Wowsers.

tchrist

02:27

Yes. You are guaranteed to see Big-horned Sheep and Mountain Goats.

It is also one of the only places you can encounter arctic rather than merely alpine tundra this side of Alaska.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

gulp

tchrist

And there is an ancient bristlecone pine forest at timberline.

And by ancient, I do mean ancient.

Not petrified. Living. Very very slowly.

Illiterate to the last curse.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Toast.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I have pictures that make your eyes water.

In a good way.

Mahnax

That's what I call efficiency.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:30

@tchrist I'll bet you do.

Mahnax

The user also suggested a vulgar edit.

tchrist

Tramp.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax we dig the Chemex. I poured too fast the other day and busted through a Melitta filter. I suppose we should get some Chemex filters.

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Uh, yeah, might wanna do that :)

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Or use two Melitta.

Mahnax

02:33

My friend bought a Baratza Encore tonight when we went for coffee. So proud.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

The Hario has a reusable cloth filter.

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I would worry about mold and clean it religiously.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax :D

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Don't get unbleached ones, they reportedly make coffee taste like paper.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh, we got a Hario Skeleton hand grinder the other day. Y'know, for the apocalypse.

tchrist

02:34

Bleach tastes better?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax we did. I disagree.

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh, good!

I've never tried them, hence "reportedly". Did you pre-wet them?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I think I'll try some Chemex filters, though. Pre-wet? Interesting.

@Mahnax that looks nice.

tchrist

I hope we’re still talking about coffee filters.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

snert

I didn't mean to derail the cog train.

Mahnax

02:36

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh, wait. I was referring to the unbleached Chemex filters.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I have the next model up. Very reliable, nice grind.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I have one too!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax Oh, oh I see.

@Mahnax yay! Uh, be careful when you unscrew the top from the bottom.

Ours is now chipped.

I must move my car. BRB

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Pre-wetting is to get all the paper taste out, warm your cup/cone/chemex, and to keep your filter sticking to the sides.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh dear!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax I like it. I'll do that tomorrow morning.

@Mahnax it's ok. It is very small, isn't sharp, and isn't on the threads.

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Ah well, not so bad then.

tchrist

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:42

@Mahnax yeah. -_-

tchrist

The Cult of Cthulhu ctontinues to growu.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist how is your codepoints meta request?

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Well, it has votes.

Mahnax

What happened to @simchona?

tchrist

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@Mahnax The intersection between those who know and those who talk is the empty set.

Mahnax

02:44

@tchrist I see.

Does she even do mod stuff anymore?

tchrist

If you have the private email of a mod who likes you, they might respond privately. Or not.

Unclear.

Mahnax

Nah, I don't really need to know. Just curious. There's no reason for me to be in any loops.

She hasn't visited EL&U since 11 May.

tchrist

Her “last seen” is occasionally updated.

Zactly.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist now it has another.

Mahnax

Her last edit was in February. Geez.

tchrist

02:46

Her last action was to approve an edit in February.

Yeah.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

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Mahnax

Poor Sim. I liked her, I hope everything's okay chez elle.

tchrist

We all go eventually, some with a whimper, some with a bang, some with a fizzle and a pop.

Mahnax

I have an emotional attachment to this place. Sad to see people go.

tchrist

Most people.

Some are not so missed.

Mahnax

02:49

Yeah, that's true.

tchrist

The “scolds” in particular.

To use the term in the current voguish sense.

Mahnax

@tchrist Which is…?

tchrist

People who have nothing else to do than wag their finger, bitch and moan, complain about trespassers on their holy turves.

Mahnax

Ah, okay.

Oh, so is Nortonn vanquished? I missed a lot while I was away.

tchrist

A scold is a person who is forever scolding.

That is not dead which can eternal lie.

And Nortonn lies eternally.

The scolds tend to be men in their 60s or sometimes 70s.

Dunno why.

Frontal-lobe shrinkage, maybe.

In lost R’lyeh dead Nortonn lies dreaming amidst the sunken cyclopean tombs.

Let sleeping dogs lie foundered as they are.

Cerberus

02:55

Hello.

Mahnax

5

A: A Nicer Word For Crippled Beggar?

Sadly, in many instances, veteran would be apt.

Why is this so highly upvoted?

tchrist

Nasty.

And voted!?

Mahnax

Srsly.

Hi Cerby!

tchrist

Speak of the devil.

Mention sleeping dogs, and voilà he appears.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax I was just looking at that.

@Cerberus Hi!

Cerberus

02:57

Hi!

I'm not the Devil.

Only his dog.

tchrist

Aliens of the Deep seems to have me dreaming of the Elder Gods.

These are not the aliens you were looking for.

Mahnax

Oh yes, I have a relative who was recently in your lovely country, Cerberus.

tchrist

> The results were "really weird," Moroz said. "Everybody from jellyfish to us have the same alphabet" when neurons communicate — but not the more ancient comb jellies. For example, ctenophores don't use serotonin, dopamine and other common signaling chemicals, called neurotransmitters. Instead, they use methods unique to them.

@Mahnax You are Jesus’s brother?

I heard he went there on a sightseeing expedition once.

Mahnax

Ha.

tchrist

And how the heck do you say ctenophore anyway?

Mahnax

03:00

academia.edu/6938965/…

I'm excited to read this paper.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Oh, could I have seen him or her?

What was his or her impression?

tchrist

It’s possible.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Eh, hard to say. Haven't seen her in person in a few years.

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, like Ctesiphon.

@Mahnax A Finn?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Nah, she's Dutch.

tchrist

03:02

Easy for you to say.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

You have so many relatives all over the world...

Mahnax

@Cerberus Pshaw. Europe is not the whole world, Cerby.

Cerberus

@tchrist No, I agree that it is unpronounceable...

Mahnax

I have no relatives south of Wisconsin.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Haha almost! But anyway, do you consider Canada to be part of Europe?

Mahnax

03:04

@Cerberus No, of course not.

Cerberus

@Mahnax That's OK, there's nothing of interest south of Wisconsin.

@Mahnax Have all of your relatives left Canada?

Mahnax

@Cerberus IDK, the entire southern hemisphere is kind of cool.

tchrist

@Cerberus No more than England.

Cerberus

Or hot.

@tchrist Hah, I suppose not.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Heavens, dog. I have no relatives—that I know of—that live outside of Europe and Canada.

Cerberus

03:05

@tchrist You kip!

Mahnax

I just remembered that the ones who lived in Wisconsin are now back in Canada.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Canada + Europe is the whole world to me.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Xenophobe.

Cerberus

And of course America north of Wisconsin.

And possibly Colorado, because of the weed. Which I do not smoke.

Or is Colorado north of Wisconsin?

@Mahnax Thank you.

But I have been to Asia.

tchrist

Hie thee to Nunavut. Upon returning, recount the merry adventures yon.

@Cerberus No, just above it.

Cerberus

03:07

North ≠ above?

Mahnax

@Cerberus I am only joking of course. But really, there is so much beyond Canada and Europe.

tchrist

I’m at 40 degrees 0 minutes 0 seconds of latitude, but my altitude is superior to Wisconsin’s.

Convert that to metric on your own time.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Yes, I just wanted a victory by the letter, because your relatives are in both the New World and the Old.

Or how would you say that?

Not in spirit but...

Mahnax

I'm afraid I don't quite see what you mean.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hey, we use degrees!

Mahnax

03:09

Oh, I was told that I might be valedictorian. Maybe.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Okay, it was already unfunny when I first said it, but here it goes. I said the whole world, you said just Europe. But your relatives are also in Canada, so it's not just Europe.

@Mahnax Oh, congrats! What does that entail?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Oh, I thought Canada was implied since I live here.

I see.

Cerberus

You can follow a law in spirit, as opposed to ... the letter.

Mahnax

@Cerberus A speech at grad. Bragging rights. My parents get a bumper sticker about their honours student.

Cerberus

Haha OK. That's nice.

tchrist

03:11

Wisconsin is between 42 and 47 degrees, about.

Cerberus

What does it depend on? Grades?

Mahnax

Grades, yeah.

Cerberus

OK cool.

tchrist

Yes, 42–47 degrees is generally considered cool in Wisconsin, and distressingly customary.

@Mahnax If you lived in Wisconsin, you’d get a Free Ride to the state university of your choice.

Mahnax

@tchrist God, that sounds great.

And here I am going to the University of Alberta.

Outlaw Lemur

03:13

Should mystery stories have catchy names?

tchrist

NARQ

Ask Loris.

Mahnax

It's not a bad school by any means, but I still feel like I had an obligation to try for somewhere fancy.

tchrist

He’d know.

Don’t bother with the bushbabies. They only babble.

A tarsier might be helpful though.

Try Potto.

Mahnax

03:33

@Mahnax - C'mon, dude. There isn't a 'nice' way to describe the OP's subject, because their situation isn't a nice one. No amount of pussyfooting PC-speak is going to improve the condition of someone who finds themselves in those circumstances; when we try to dress them up to make them sound more decorous, it's ultimately only for our benefit. — Erik Kowal 2 mins ago

> Usually Disparaging and Offensive. a term used to refer to a person who limps or is lame.

Matt Эллен

07:23

@Mahnax it looked at me slant-wise

Matt Эллен

08:35

> Parents: Sweyn Forkbeard, Sigrid the Haughty

People from olden times had great names

skullpatrol

08:55

Agreed :-)

RegDwigнt

Especially all those people called "The Great".

skullpatrol

like Alexander?

RegDwigнt

Like literally any name.

Peter, Catherine, Sieglinde-Justine...

skullpatrol

Reg the great

RegDwigнt

That's The Great to you, sire.

skullpatrol

09:01

Reggie Jackson was great :-)

RegDwigнt

ABC, easy as 1-2-3.

skullpatrol

Not those Jacksons. Mr October.

!!wiki Reggie Jackson

RegDwigнt

Now you're just making stuff up. There are no other Jacksons.

KitSox

Reggie Jackson

Reginald Martinez "Reggie" Jackson (born May 18, 1946) is an American former baseball right fielder who played 21 seasons in Major League Baseball (MLB) for five different teams (1967–1987). He was nicknamed "Mr. October" for his clutch hitting in the postseason with the Oakland A's and the New York Yankees. Jackson won five consecutive American League West divisional pennants, three consecutive American League pennants and two consecutive World Series titles as a member of the Oakland Athletics (he did not play in the 1972 World Series due to injury) from 1971 to 1975; four American Lea...

RegDwigнt

Yeah "American former baseball right fielder". That is five words in a row that make no sense!

You should be more humble when making stuff up.

skullpatrol

09:04

If you saw him play you would truly believe he was "Great"

RegDwigнt

If he played baseball, I would truly believe I was asleep. Which I would be.

skullpatrol

Not during the world series.

RegDwigнt

Sounds like a nice long nap.

skullpatrol

You would probably sleep through the world cup this year.

Matt Эллен

there's a world cup this year?

skullpatrol

09:07

:-O

Matt Эллен

nah, I'm kidding

skullpatrol

-_-

Matt Эллен

the Home Office don't think that our team will make it past the group stage. this has upset many supporters

skullpatrol

You guys are the masters of soccer odds making

Matt Эллен

They based their decision of extending licensing hours on the odds they could get from a booky.

skullpatrol

09:11

I once read that bookies in England will watch kids play minor league soccer and give their parents betting odds on if the kid will make it to the Premier league.

Matt Эллен

:D

bookies will give you odds on pretty much anything

skullpatrol

yep

Matt Эллен

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27396376

> "To account for this [high probability of England not making it past the group stages], we have used odds from Betfair.com, implying that England have a 54% probability of progressing past the group stage and an 11% probability of progressing past the quarter-finals, allowing us to estimate the expected benefits."

skullpatrol

The amount of money Brazil spent is INSANE

$14 Billion

Matt Эллен

that's sporting events for you

skullpatrol

09:18

the old record was $4 billion

RegDwigнt

No, that's corruption for you.

skullpatrol

true dat^

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt same diff

RegDwigнt

I'm just practicing spelling things.

Matt Эллен

:D

skullpatrol

09:20

:D

RegDwigнt

:𝔻

Matt Эллен

what luscious lips you have!

skullpatrol

said little red riding hood to the wolf

RegDwigнt

They are OVER 9000 luscious, spake the Wolf.

Matt Эллен

09:41

nonsense

skullpatrol

pure spam

RegDwigнt

Show some respect. Someone worked hard to achieve this degree of purity.

Dan

small question, is there a noun form of the "to decline" verb?

Matt Эллен

!!define declension

KitSox

@MattЭллен declension (grammar): A way of categorizing nouns, pronouns, or adjectives according to the inflections they receive.

Matt Эллен

09:56

> The act of declining a word; the act of listing the inflections of a noun, pronoun or adjective in order.

@Dan Oxford dictionaries marks declension as an archaic noun

for the general meaning of decline

RegDwigнt

Question unclear.

Dan

Wanted to use it in the context of "refusal"

RegDwigнt

The noun form of decline is decline.

@Dan then say refusal.

skullpatrol

or refuse

RegDwigнt

If you are married to decline, the best you can do is say declining. Which is ugly.

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