hi

any lectures here?

or principals?

I need help..

any one there?

hello

please

any one there?

do you help me?

pls?

huuuhhhhh

bye

A nice haiku. Lots of moras, too.

Hup.

Just a quick reminder: I'll be off to Paris for three days starting tomorrow. More to the point, I will be offline for like 72 hours straight. In case of emergency, ping Kosmonaut or nohat. (If neither of them is around and there's really, really awful emergency, like the fabric of the Universe collapsing or something, keep in mind that Dori has mod rights, too, and she's lurking here like 25/8. Just don't pester her with trivialities.)

Oh, and @Cerberus: you'll have to fight alone. I suppose if you don't start any wars but only defend against attackers, you should be fine, even if they beat my defense deck 9 times out of 10.

I hope you enjoy Paris.

I'm rather provincial, and feel it acutely some days.

Oh, I've been to Paris a number of times. Dog poo all over the place. Also, hobos in tents.

We're just taking my mother-in-law places.

She's never been there.

Hey pooch.

Hai.

@Reg: Have fun in Paris!

I'll try, I'll try.

Have you decided on the Louvre yet?

No idea.

Basically, they tell me what they want to do or see, and I take them there.

Right.

I'm the only one speaking French, too.

Buy tickets online for as many things as you can.

Saves lots of time.

Yeah well, right now we only need the public transport ticket.

Just print them. Should be possible for some museums.

Not set on any museums or anything yet.

Hmm... perhaps you can print that one too?

I dunno, right now I'm actually trying to remember (read: google) the name, cause I forgot.

Of the ticket?

They have that special tourist ticket, which is kind of a bargain.

raileurope.com/activities/paris-visite/…

Paris Visite?

@Vitaly Ah, yes! I read about that one.

@Cerberus — Where?..

@Vitaly But isn't it true that the page will show only "bar" as the title if that's what I searched for, in article view?

@Cerberus — Yes. You can duplicate the correct spelling in the body of the entry, though.

@Vitaly On the GD forum I think.

@Vitaly Okay, so that would require a copy of the right (sup w) title in the article itself ( [tab][m1]Title ).

Yup. You can skip the [m1] in that case.

I think your solution was better.

@Cerberus Yeah, that's the one.

With accolades.

Interesting, I had no idea there was anything in English on the GD forum about that.

I could have just linked to it in the first place. >.<

Perhaps it was on some other DSL forum... I Googled it.

@Cerberus — On the GD forum.

@Reg: Book tickets for the Eiffel Tower here, day in advance:

tour-eiffel.com/preparing-your-visit/buying-your-tickets

@Vitaly Ah, good link. I don't remember seeing that one.

It also provides a solution (the tilde).

Right, I remember reading about the tilde.

I wonder what those do?

The first and the last tags are in the example dictionary.

The middle one is obvious.

Obvious? A stressed vowel is usually indicated with a simple '.

So why use a label?

Be right back.

Speaking about [p][/p], you can create an abbreviations file for all those “cymr” and “an.” so that when you hover over those with your mouse you get a balloon with the full form displayed.

you could get*

Ahhh...

That would in fact be useful.

See the example dictionary (both the main file and the abrv file) for the way to do that.

Better than replacing all airl. straight away.

OK.

@RegDwight: I can beat them half the time (2/2 so far), but there no way we are going to match those 3300+ points they already have. So I might as well give that war up, except for fun (it is still a game...).

WTH are you people talking about @Vitaly and @Cerb ?

@JSBangs — I am attempting to teach @Cerberus to create dictionaries for a dictionary-lookup application.

with what software?

A text editor.

what i mean is, what is the software that's taking in all of these [tag][/tag] markups that you're talking about?

So far he's been an excellent student. Only took him a few hours to create a version of Pokorny's etymological dictionary (2221–2222 entries).

@JSBangs goldendict.org

ah, thanks

i'm very intrigued

i have a homebrew dictionary program that i use for my conlanging, stitched together from perl and sqlite, but i'm interested in using something a little more polished

and in not having to support everything myself

This one is quite good.

@Cerberus Yeah, I'm still playing, too. And winning, BTW. It's just that we can't beat a faction with nine, count them: nine, active players.

@JSB: Even a total non-programmer such as I can do it. With Vitaly's help, of course...

@RegDwight Exactly... I wonder whether they are fighting or surging us.

@Vit, any idea whether it supports things like etymological references?

@JSBangs — What are those?

@JSB: In what way?

Jinx.

You better ask Cerberus. I am no etymologist.

@Cerberus No idea. I am currently fighting, because then I win 9 times out of 10.

the entry for word X in language A needs to contain a reference to the source word Y in parent language B

this is a must-have feature for me

9 out of ten? Very nice. What deck? I can't hope to match that.

@JSBangs And languages A and B must be in separate dictionary files?

Cross-dictionary references are possible, I think.

Really?

@Cerb or something like that. my homebrew solution has a different table for every language

@Vitaly that might be enough for me

i'll have to look into it

I still have no idea what exactly you have in mind though.

So you mean you want to click on *ab- in your English article and be brought to the PIE article?

@Cerberus — My help files give this example: [ref dict="Another dictionary (Eng-Fra)"]some word[/ref] I haven't tested it though, haven't had any need yet.

@Cerb that's pretty much exactly what i want

@Vitaly Ah! Then we should test that...

@Cerberus — There are two dictionaries that are obviously cross-linked like that. The AHD and the Root supplement.

So you only need to see how it's done in those two.

Yes: See [ref dict="AHD Indo-European and Semitic Roots Supplement (En-En)"]bher-[/ref]

So that works.

can links be bi-directional? so that a linked entry automatically links back to the entry that points to it?

ie. so that the PIE entry for bher- contains a list of the words derived from it (automatically generated from the links pointing to that entry)

It's like a subset of HTML. You can format the bodies of the entries pretty much in any way you would want.

It works!

So what you can generate with regexes or programming languages (appropriately tagged) can be used as entries.

@JSBangs Not sure about that (I don't think so).

GD is just a lookup program, it doesn't generate anything.

Yeah, well, I suppose you could generate such a list yourself with complicated regexes...

By "you" I mean God.

@Cerberus no regexes necessary, i don't think, since all of the bidi links are already encoded in my source database. anyway, now that i'm looking at this more closely, i'm not sure it fits my needs, except (possibly) as a presentation layer for the data which is already in my database

it doesn't replace the dictionary management features of my existing program. it doesn't seem to support editing, for example.

True, you need a separate text editor for that.

sigh

ANYWAY what's even more interesting than GoldenDict is sankrit grammar! people.mokk.bme.hu/~kornai/semantics/kiparsky_2002.pdf

Ah, the old Panini.

For some reason he always makes me hungry.

Don't remind me.

I haven't eaten anything today.

@RegDwight How the hell am I supposed to beat that?

I killed a Titan the turn before, with the greatest effort and an EMP.

Ah...

Beats this guy every single time.

Really!

Play the fast cards first.

I will try that deck.

The order is completely irrelevant.

Yeah.

Does the Worm work for you?

Just play the card with the lowest wait. Whatever it is.

I always do that anyway.

@Cerberus Sure. When I need him. Which I don't that often.

But he has healinggg... whines

Irrelevant.

Note how many strikes I have.

What about Predator?

Probably worth trying, especially given that you don't have the Silos (and he's way faster than them anyway).

My deck isn't that different, by the way.

I will try it.

But shouldn't I replace Worm with Bolide?

I don't have Bolide, so I dunno.

Right. It has 0 attack (actually good v. Counter), strike all 2, 7 hp, wait 4.

And 2 siege.

Siege can help against that other guy, who has lots of buildings.

True.

I am facing the most problems against that one guy with like five Strikes.

So your deck works against those other guys too, eh... I must try that.

Strikes in assault units?

Well, they have very similar decks, actually.

I mean, it doesn't feel like I'm playing 9 people. More like three.

@RegDwight Okay this is bizarre. The screenshot I just posted? I actually won that battle.

Post a screenshot of every battle, then.

I was 50–50 going to surrender.

@RegDwight Hah, says Hume.

Do you think I should use Dozer Tank?

Ain't it like 4 slow?

It had saved my canine behind on some occasions.

It is 3.

Hm. No idea.

Again, I barely ever have to play the 3-wait cards at all.

Just like Blight Crusher, hmm... I should perhaps dump that; I was mainly using it to counter various strike decks.

@RegDwight That's how most of my deck works as well; but I use a few slower cards for flexibility, when strike rush doesn't work.

Oh, and BTW, this rainbow deck here won the previous war, and hasn't lost a single time in any of the new missions I have played this far.

I only built it like yesterday, after getting the Niaq.

I based it off of one of those decks I had written down.

@Cerberus: I want your opinion on that link.

@RegDwight I will build it in a sec. By the way, weren't you using rainbow decks before?

@Vitaly I have scrolled back, but I can't find any link?

@Cerberus Only in the Siege on Kor.

OK.

By the way, I want those Gattling Towers...

@Vitaly Ah OK. I still have it open on my computer at home, but hadn't finished it yet (am now at parents'). Will read.

@Vitaly I've read it, but well. How should I put it. Just another instance of "someone is wrong on the Internet". Both ways.

Anyway, you can get an OCRed PDF and export it to HTML. And that's when you will really need regexes.

"You are wrong and a coward" -- "No, you are wrong and a coward".

I'm not sure I have enough time to read all these exchanges.

@RegDwight — Both ways?!!

@Vit: By the way, you should have a look at the site Ham & Bacon links to on his profile. creation.com

@Vitaly Yes.

"we know who the real coward is here"

This is kindergarten, sorry.

"Liars for Jesus who have to cower and hide before the truth…it is so typical."

@RegDwight — So you haven't read the previous link?

I dunno how this is supposed to help anyone.

@Vitaly I have.

You, me, and Cerberus

@RegDwight — Then could you please point out where in his open letter PZ Myers “blasts Kem and Emma” and attacks “Ken/AiG”?

I argued that I couldn't care less about some idiot saying some idiot stuff to his idiot child on the other side of the planet.

Because I apparently missed that when I read it.

@Vitaly Um, that's so not what I am saying.

I can point you to where in this open letter he blasts and attacks them.

@RegDwight — Oh, so you are talking about some random people commenting on the articles?

I am talking about PZ Myers.

This is not helping anyone.

Even if it's 110% true.

That's not the point.

@RegDwight — Like anything would help the religious?

Look, I dunno why you keep asking me stuff about this bearded guy. Again, I have never seen him, or that idiot he's attacking, so honestly, I couldn't care less. For all I know, neither of them even exists.

“keep asking me stuff about this bearded guy”? :P

That's twice that you mentioned me. :P

Yes. Just a link. No “asking.”

Fair enough.

What do you think?

Chronos is faster...

Um, how about trying it out?

Right, hadn't thought of that.

Oh, and no II? They are fast?

I don't have those slow cards, but again, you'll probably never even use them.

So... you never come to use Worm, Silos, or Chronos?

Oh! I know what to do. I must share those two links with @JSBangs too.

@JSBangs: click, click.

@Cerberus I do play them, but usually the battle is over before they become active. But if they do, then they just crush everything. So they are kind of an emergency switch.

That's how I use slow cards too.

I just lost a battle, though, because he played a Dozer Tank first that regened four times in a row.

For flexibility, if rush fails for some reason.

@RegDwight Like... look at them Dozers...

@Vitaly i have no interest in anything Ken Ham or AiG does

is there something in particular you were hoping i would comment on

@JSBangs — Yes. The reason why I am, as you put it, “militant.”

His stupid surname makes me stupid hungry.

It is perfectly illustrated by the behavior of Ken Ham.

And the fundagelical “mother”.

@RegDwight — Don't remind me! I haven't found out the best word for котлета yet!

Why don't you just let them be?

@RegDwight Panini with Ham... I only need Tomato and Basil now.

@RegDwight — Because people like him make the world worse.

one smug asshole taking down another smug asshole is my definition of a "waste of time", even if one of the smug assholes is marginally less wrong than the other

I care about the world I live in.

I mean, look, I spent like four years on Reddit getting up in arms about everything every living moment of every single day, only to realize that I could spend my time in better ways, that might even actually change the world.

@RegDwight go back to thinking about Panini, then. sweet, delicious morphology

@Vitaly They are not making my world worse.

Not at all.

I don't live in Ken Ham's family. Or his country.

@Vitaly "cutlet" works pretty well

@JSBangs — So not lying is only marginally less wrong?

Nice.

Look, there are probably a billion people lying right now, this very second.

Now what?

@Reg: This deck just got utterly destroyed by an all-Trident + heals-all commie.

@Vitaly i admit that i didn't read the whole article. mostly i skimmed the first few paras, rolled my eyes, and closed the tabs. was there something in there that actually qualifies as "lying", as opposed to "honestly presenting an (admittedly stupid) worldview"?

That's what I meant by saying that they are playing the mutual "someone is wrong on the Internet" game.

@RegDwight yes, and i got tired of that game a while ago

Hello, I heard someone is wrong on the Internet. Can I help with that?

@Cerberus Well, 9 out of 10, I said. Not 10 out of 10.

@Reg: I think perhaps I should dig up the old Vamp deck...

@Robusto Yes, you could, um, bitch about it or something.

@JSBangs — Yes. Ken Ham deliberately lies about PZ Myers blasting someone in his open letter. He also doesn't link to it, and keeps removing any comments in his blog that link to the open letter or just say, “I read the letter.”

@RegDwight — Umm, goddam people ... wrong ... on teh Internetz.

@Robusto write a 10,000 word blog post, and get it upvoted highly on Reddit. also, ask some leading questions about it on skeptics.se

@Martha THANK YOU.

Or you could all look at pictures of naked girls.

@Martha — THWACK.

GOD BLESS YOU. BUDDHA, TOO.

I'm out as usual.

Oh, dearie...

Heh.

Nice.

gawd, now Vit starts with the insects again

@Reg: Have fun in the cité d'amour!

@RegDwight I can't let you go on a three-day furlough without inflicting some baby pictures on you.

though i admit, that is one gorgeous carapace on that fly

Au revoir mon ami.

have fun in Paris!

Later @Reg

@JSBangs — The fly is clearly under age. You shouldn't be looking.

I find the damage to its eye interesting.

@Cerberus Well, I'll drop back in before leaving for Paris.

Oh, ok... pfew

But it's one of my duties to leave for the time being.

Baby pictures and all.

Understandable.

As long as you don't count on me for those 3000 points...

Make that 4000 and we're quits.

@RegDwight I've got more, wanna see 'em?

Over and out.

Aw, I guess not.

The bastards.

@Martha — I want to not see them too.

(Not you.)

Ask and ye shall receive.

excellent color matching with the dress+flowers

someone should propose BabyPictures.se, so that @Martha has somewhere to go

But... but... are you saying you want me to go away?

@Martha no. but just think, on BabyPictures.se you could have 20K rep in, like, a week

*day

You would break through rep cap like the Big Bang.

I dunno, it's getting harder to get good pictures of the niece - the minute she sees the autofocus light, she starts grinning like a maniac.

why is grinning a problem?

@Vitaly Sweet...

@JSBangs The grinning per se isn't a problem; the "like a maniac" is the trouble.

@Martha what a ham. my kids want to steal the camera and play with it as soon as they see it

Dammit, I don't have that picture on this computer. But this one comes close:

Aww.

Cute enough.

The first time. Maybe the fifth time. But when you have 20 pictures in a row of a kid grinning at the camera, it gets old.

In a few months you won't be able to get anything but various grimaces.

(Not necessarily grinning.)

* grimaces

huh. looks like i just crashed Chrome on my other computer

@JSBangs 'Grats?

@Vitaly What I need is an old-fashioned fixed-focus camera. No autofocus light, no autofocus lag, no shutter lag; just press the button and the picture is instantly taken. Well, either that or a high-end SLR, the kind that continuously takes pictures, and just happens to save the one it took when you pressed the button.

I also need a coffee. Like, something fierce. TTYL.

Well, the kid is going to grow up enough to recognize any kind of camera itself.

@Vitaly yes, but it's likely that the flashing light is what attracts her right now

@Cerberus: Do you already know what you are going to convert next?

I suppose you can try getting an OCRed PDF dic.

@JSBangs: I left you a comment on your gerund response.

@Cerberus: jEdit seems to support negative and positive lookahead assertions, but I have no idea how it handles everything else.

@Martha — You have to teach her not to try so hard. She's being so cute it hurts. I have to put on a welder's mask or something.

@Vitaly — Komodo Edit's macro API supports negative and positive lookahead and lookbehind.

@Robusto — Interesting. Can it handle 1-GB plain text files?

@Vitaly — Wow. Never tried that. :)

Or at least 500-MB?

Let me look.

@Vitaly: It looks like you can coax KE6 into opening those files, but performance (esp. with regex parsing) I would expect to degrade significantly.

Can't you just use a Unix shell script?

Well, I could, but I dunno about Cerberus.

And then it becomes less intuitive anyway.

Well, intuitive is a relative property.

@Vitaly — Also, I would argue that regular expressions are pretty f***in' far from intuitive anyway.

We are talking about converting various dictionaries into plaintext DSL files (which are similar in markup to basic HTML) that can be read by a dictionary-lookup program. So it would be good to see the changes on the fly in a text editor. Those dictionaries can also be that large (especially with the markup).

What is the maximum line length? Is it over 32k?

Using regexes is a necessary evil; using shell stuff is unnecessary in this case.

I don't think we would need that much of a line length.

I don't know, shell scripts are one of my favorite features of Unix.

But anyway, it couldn't hurt to try. Komodo Edit 6 is free. Here's a link for getting it to open enormous files: community.activestate.com/forum/problem-so-called-large-files

@Cerberus: ↑

And here's a link to the download page. The free version is the first button: activestate.com/komodo-edit

I already use a text editor that supports large files and all those regexes but it's commercial.

Which editor?

I am trying to find one for Cerberus.

@Robusto — EmEditor.

Hah! I love EmEditor. I used to use it exclusively until I found Komodo Edit.

I basically needed a good editor that is completely cross-platform.

Is KE6 as fast?

Fast how? It's slower to open, but its text handling is comparable.

I have no problem running regexes on 1-GB files in EmEditor.

I seldom edit files above a few megs anywhere. How long does a regex take in EmEditor on Gig-sized files?

A few minutes on my PC.

That's about what I would expect. I run macros on files of around 2 megs and it takes a couple seconds. This is with multiple regex "cleaning" going on.

Also with lots of array manipulation going on.

Though I suppose with dictionaries you can always split a large file into several smaller ones, so if KE6 supports regexes well, it should suffice…

I think any text editor performs at O(n^2) with increase in file size, don't they?

Sure. On a Turing machine.

In Platonic space.

Hey, that's where I live.

@Vit: But where would we get these OCRd dictionary files?

And what exactly are those look-ahead regexes?

@Cerberus — You were saying something about some usage guide. Fowler, if my memory serves me well. There bound to exist OCRed versions of it. Somewhere.

Oh! Yes, that would actually be a great idea. Looking at those pages, my intuition tells me that there will be an actual text-based version of the third edition...

@Vit: Do you happen to know of a good program to convert pdf to text? I could simply select all the text in the pdf, but then I'd needlessly lose much of the formatting. I can Google for such a program.