English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Esa Paulasto

00:00

What's the difference between source and resource? For example when talking about energy sources like sunlight and oil.

Cerberus

@EsaPaulasto An energy source is the origin of a certain kind of energy. A resource is a bit vaguer: an economic resource is a means that can be used to produce something economically valuable. So oil and sunlight can be both sources of energy and economic resources.

So in many cases, they can be used almost interchangeably, but not in all.

Esa Paulasto

Okay, I think I see it. Thanks

Cerberus

Timber, for example, is also an economic resource, but it is not really a source of anything.

Wind is a source of energy, but is it really a resource? Perhaps, but not entirely.

The same applies to sunlight, actually.

Esa Paulasto

Easy enough to read and understand, but somewhat uncertain about how to use them in my own text, is why I asked :)

Cerberus

Haha OK!

If you give us a sentence, we may be able to tell you which word(s) would be appropriate in that context.

For example, you would not typically say "an energy resource".

Or perhaps people do say that, but source is certainly better if you mean solar or wind energy.

Esa Paulasto

00:43

@Cerberus - I already posted my comment (in facebook) so it is too late :)

Cerberus

Haha, right.

Esa Paulasto

"Along with the limited supply of nature's resources, like oil and certain minerals, there is also those few sources that never run dry. There's the sun, wind and humans, three never-ending resources of nature. Always there - free to use and make profit on."

@Cerberus - I already posted that, a comment to my friend's post in facebook. So it is too late now, but I copied here anyway :)

Cerberus

If only all Facebook comments were so thoroughly edited!

Esa Paulasto

It seems I went wrong with that source thing, but perhaps I still managed to convey my point though :)

Cerberus

Well, I think source is better there, if only because of "run dry".

Esa Paulasto

00:55

I tend to, at least try to, write carefully when the post I'm commenting is from a teacher in university english language department ;)

She is the wife of my cousin, so not really too bad :D

Cerberus

Yes, then you need to be careful!

Esa Paulasto

Hehe. Now, thanks for your time, Cerberus. Cya

Cerberus

Bye!

KitFox

13:10

Good morning.

Matt Эллен

How's your orchid?

KitFox

omg I forgot to even look at it this morning.

Noah

13:43

Hi

Any simple way to learn to speak the Shakespearian way?

KitFox

Read a lot of Shakespeare.

Noah

Is there a website that takes Modern text and translates it to the Shakespearian one?

KitFox

I don't know.

Matt Эллен

@Noah did you google "translate text into shakespearian"?

KitFox

I'll get it!

!!google "translate text into shakespearian"

KitSox

13:52

@KitFox There are no search results. Run.

@KitFox The Google contains no such knowledge

KitFox

Interesting.

!!google translate text into shakespearian

KitSox

@KitFox nfs.sparknotes.com/macbeth ; nfs.sparknotes.com/romeojuliet ; shakespeareswords.com

KitFox

Ah, quotes were my problem.

c ↄ

14:20

Parameterized vs Parametrized vs Parametrised

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ngram

c ↄ

o nice

KitFox

AmE v BrE v something no one uses.

c ↄ

to 2008

@KitFox well this one is more meaningful then

Mitch

14:59

@KitSox no way. Google has everything, even for things that don't exist.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:34

Question. In the following sentence, is the speaker suggesting that they do something, or not do something?

> I wonder if we shouldn't go to the store

Matt Эллен

depends

it could be either

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

okay. So I wasn't crazy when I wrote that.

Matt Эллен

I don't know :Þ

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, what I wrote was

> I wonder if we shouldn't make a solr index for tags

the context being that we don't have a solr index for tags

and my coworker, who's NNS, was like "shouldn't?" and then I was filled with self-doubt

Matt Эллен

it works best in speech, because the intonation gives it away

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:43

hm, yeah

if the emphasis is on the verb part then it's a positive sentence, and if it's on the shouldn't then it's a negative sentence. I think.

Mitch

15:55

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well...not with respect to that sentence.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch That's all I ask.

Mitch

Also, you should -totally- do a Solr index for your tags.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah, totally

all the cool kids are doing it

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Also, if you're asking, you might as well ask for more.

Like a suggestion for lunch.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

For lunch I'm having chicken parm. I think.

KitFox

16:01

Oh that reminds me that I left bbq pork in the fridge last week.

Robusto

16:26

@tchrist: Character encoding question for you, but you may not understand it from the front end perspective. Anyway, there is a CSS property called text-overflow and one of the possible values is ellipsis. This displays three periods at the end of a truncated string in all browsers except IE, which displays the "I don't know what this character is" rectangle. Browsers are all set to UTF-8 encoding. Any thoughts?

KitFox

Is it IE10?

They did something to the text-overflow in IE10.

Matt Эллен

did they rebrand it as text-exchange?

Andrew Leach

@Robusto Since that character is generated by the browser at the required point in the text, it must be a bug.

Robusto

@AndrewLeach Yeah, I can't even inspect it to get the character to figure out its character code.

But I try googling that and nobody else seems to have the problem in IE. caniuse.com reports that IE fully supports the feature, etc.

Andrew Leach

@Robusto Can you not copy the rendered text out of the browser window into something else?

Cerberus

16:40

Hi.

Robusto

@AndrewLeach The rendered text is the complete text. The browser displays an artifact that should look like an ellipisis.

Cerberus

@mahnax I hear you have Dutch measles in Alberta?

Andrew Leach

@Robusto Oh. I don't think I've come across a site which uses it. I'll crawl back under my stone... [three full stops]

Robusto

The element also has to be set to overflow:hidden for text-overflow to work anyway. So as I said above, the ellipses are not text nodes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Sounds like a font bug to me.

What font are you using?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:09

from secure.flickr.com/photos/brickthing/10835557236

Cerberus

17:22

That's not a font.

It looks more like a dinosaur than a font.

Oh, wait! It's made of Lego!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow, that's pretty cool, at first I didn't even notice that it wasn't real.

tchrist

17:55

@Robusto Some dummy is probably generating a CP-1252 ellipsis instead of a UTF8-encoded Unicode one, which produces an illegal UTF-8 sequence and thus the box-of-WTF.

macbook# byte2uni -e cp1252 | grep ELLIP
cp1252       85  ⇒  U+2026  ＜ … ＞  \N{HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS}

You probably have an 85 byte instead of these three:

macbook# perl -le 'print chr(0x2026)' | uniquote -b
\xE2\x80\xA6

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:07

But that character code is generated by the browser, after the page is loaded

And HTML pages are transmitted in who knows what character encoding, but the in-memory standard is unicode

and Win32 apps are "unicode" too, internally, by default. Well, they're supposed to be

tchrist

Um.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So it would surprise me if the browser was generating a character in a different encoding in its own internal representation of the parsed page.

tchrist

It's more complicated than that.

What do you mean that the "character code is generated by the browser after the page is loaded"?

Is this for the autowrap thing?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes

the ellipsis is generated by the browser

tchrist

Well, the HTTP header presumably specifies the UTF-8 encoding.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:10

it's not in the original document

tchrist

Microsoft in their infinite dumbness probably stores stuff as UCS-2.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The browser has to download the HTML text

tchrist

Maybe UTF-16.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Then determine its encoding using the HTTP header or by guessing

tchrist

Anyway, those are not compatible with each other.

Except by roundtripping.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:11

Then decode it to whatever it uses internally. Probably those two encodings you mentioned.

But once it's decoded, there's only one character encoding, and MS controls it.

So when the browser generates a character to add to the page, it MUST use that same internal encoding, whatever it is.

tchrist

Sure.

It has historically been one of UCS-2 or very very recently UTF-16.

But if somebody just generated a raw "\x85" thinking that were an ellipsis, and didn’t decode that become something like encode(decode("\x85", "cp1252"), "UTF-16") then it won’t work.

Something like that.

See what I mean?

Still, I don’t understand why you can’t just save the verbatim bytes from the page to analyse them.

Unless it is "lying" by adding it to the display but not the safe.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Sure. But the person who did that would be the programmer working on IE, implementing this ellipsis feature. And the very first page they tried to test the feature on would fail the test.

tchrist

Adobe sometimes does stuff like that.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not if the very first page they tried it on were in cp1252.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes, because the CP1252 always gets converted to some kind of unicode internally after page load.

HTML is always unicode. eventually.

It only supports different encodings for network transmission.

tchrist

Yes, but please remember that what Microsoft calls Unicode is not what anybody else calls Unicode. Seriously.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:17

I know that. But I don't think that's relevant here.

tchrist

Probably not.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My point is that if the developer adds a feature which injects non-BROWSER_INTERNAL_CHARACTER_CODES into the browsers internal document model, the feature would never ever work.

tchrist

Pends on how the API works out.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

which is why I suspect the font in question doesn't support the ellipsis character.

So IE renders a box.

tchrist

Should be able to use abstract character codes and not think about the encoding.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why would that matter? Does MS still not understand a fontsub replacement policy?

Just because one font is missing a sort for that code point should not matter so long as some font anywhere on your system does.

By sort, I mean glyph.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:20

There is supposed to be a font-fallback feature which kicks in whenever you try to render a glyph in a given font, but I don't know where that is implemented... in the browser? in the OS? in the OS, but to use it you need to use a specific API that the ellipsis dev forgot to use?

yeah

tchrist

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

there IS a font-fallback method

I've seen it work properly, and badly

tchrist

The biggest problem is they don’t understand font families in the fallback path.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But, eg, Firefox implements their own strategy... so maybe there isn't one built-in to Windows?

tchrist

That is, a mono should only fallback to a mono by preference, etc.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, or they don’t care for it. I know it didn’t used to be, and this was something that Macs and eventually other flavors of Unix always did much better: font fallback policies.

When working with my publisher, you actually get to do fallbacks more intelligently, so that each font has its own fallback path.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:23

I don't know the details of the font-fallback. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't automatically happen unconditionally. Like, maybe you have to call renderGlyph(glyph, font) vs renderGlyphWithFallback(glyph, font, font2, font3) or something.

tchrist

That way you don’t swap between say mono and proportional.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

anyway, even if it's not in the OS, IE has a fallback policy.

tchrist

It’s funny, the Terminal window in MacOS has a sane fallback policy, whilst putty in Windows does not have any at all, whether sane or otherwise.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's probably just a bug that the fallback policy doesn't work on generated text, or on that particular generated text, or maybe the fallback policy failed to find the glyph on that machine.

tchrist

That argues it may not be in the operating system.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:25

Yeah. Or maybe putty just isn't using it.

tchrist

The Cygwin window does not, either.

For bash.

I dunno. Too many layers. Too hard.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…

So there IS OS support for it

tchrist

hm

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but it could also be a case of "MS finally fixed this in 2001 but everyone still codes to the 1999 api"

tchrist

Then what's happening, and how come so many people complain about charcters not being in the font?

Oh.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It’s weird, because Marthaᵃ is always complaining about not being able to see Unicode 3.0 characters that @Cerberus can always see just fine, and yet I’m pretty sure both are running XP.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:31

probably has to do with installed fonts.

the base XP install didn't have good unicode coverage in its default font set, iirc

tchrist

Perhaps also browsers?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

maybe.

Cerberus

No, I think it's fonts.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

MSDN says that the IE rendering engine uses the Uniscribe API I just posted above, and if so it should have script fallback support built in.

Cerberus

Only installing more fonts helped me.

Do I need to test some page?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:35

no, @Robusto is having a text-rendering issue and tchrist and I are speculating about whether it's an encoding problem or a font problem.

Cerberus

Ah.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

meanwhile I'm installing a custom rom on my tablet. fingers crossed this one won't have the rebooting sickness.

tchrist

Oh, one with Cuneiform support? Tablets are better that way.

Cerberus

Which ROM?

I'm sure it will display cuneiform.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2159089

It's a fork of CM

Cerberus

18:39

Ah.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

since the CM folks aren't really supporting this tablet anymore

Cerberus

No-Name.

Good luck!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It still has the CM boot animation

tchrist

‭ 𒀀 12000 CUNEIFORM SIGN A
‭ 𒀁 12001 CUNEIFORM SIGN A TIMES A
‭ 𒀂 12002 CUNEIFORM SIGN A TIMES BAD
‭ 𒀜 1201C CUNEIFORM SIGN AD
‭ 𒀰 12030 CUNEIFORM SIGN AN PLUS NAGA OPPOSING AN PLUS NAGA
‭ 𒄇 12107 CUNEIFORM SIGN GIDIM
‭ 𒉛 1225B CUNEIFORM SIGN NINDA2 TIMES SHE PLUS A AN

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

neither my phone nor my desktop can see those.

so I doubt my tablet will either

hm, this CM boot animation is taking a long time

Cerberus

18:41

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 First boot always takes a looong time? Building the Dalvik cache?

@tchrist I can see them!

tchrist

Cerberus

Especially the last one.

tchrist

I figured you might be able to.

They’re especially vexing to systems that think 2 bytes is enough for any character.

Cerberus

As in Windows?

tchrist

Windows in UCS-2 mode, but not Windows in UTF-16 mode — if done right.

Cerberus

18:43

XP can do anything.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus dunno. Did a "factory reset", we'll see if that fixes it.

tchrist

Those take up 4 bytes whether in UTF-8, UTF-16, or UTF-32 (although not the same four bytes). They cannot be represented by UCS-2, although they can be represented by UCS-4.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yay, booted!

Cerberus

A factory reset is indeed necessary. But then it will still have to build the Dalvik cache, so the first boot will take a long time.

Oh! That's fast.

tchrist

So Windows or Browsers or whatever in UCS-2 mode, or people who program not understanding the difference between UCS-2 and UTF-16, will get it wrong by treating UTF-16 as though it were UCS-2.

Cerberus

18:45

I don't understand the difference, but unicode works just fine when I program something in Autohotkey.

tchrist

It’s simple: UCS-2 can only represent characters up to hex FFFF.

Unicode goes up to hex 10FFFF.

So 11x as many.

 ‭ 𐌰  10330      GOTHIC LETTER AHSA
‭ 𐌱  10331      GOTHIC LETTER BAIRKAN
‭ 𐌲  10332      GOTHIC LETTER GIBA
‭ 𐌳  10333      GOTHIC LETTER DAGS
‭ 𐌴  10334      GOTHIC LETTER AIHVUS
‭ 𐌵  10335      GOTHIC LETTER QAIRTHRA
‭ 𐌶  10336      GOTHIC LETTER IUJA
‭ 𐌷  10337      GOTHIC LETTER HAGL
‭ 𐌸  10338      GOTHIC LETTER THIUTH

For example.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Nice.

tchrist

Dunno how we got THORN from THIUTH. Actually, they both come from Fuþork.

Damn that thorn rune looks more like wynn to me.

Oh look, it’s Gandalf’s G rune!

Cool.

Medieval runes

The medieval runes, or the futhork, was a Scandinavian 27 letter runic alphabet that evolved from the Younger Futhark after the introduction of dotted runes at the end of the Viking Age and it was fully formed in the early 13th century. Due to the expansion, each rune corresponded to only one phoneme, whereas the runes in the preceding Younger Futhark could correspond to several. The medieval runes were in use throughout Scandinavia during the Middle Ages, and provided the basis for the appearance of runology in the 16th century. History and use Towards the end of the 11th century, th...

I’m not sure I would call them letters. I think I would call them runes.

Anybody ever used Plan9?

Or the Go programming language?

Cerberus

@tchrist I see them.

tchrist

There the built-in type that most languages strive to call a char is actually called a rune.

Cerberus

18:54

@tchrist They're technically letters.

tchrist

@Cerberus Hm.

Cerberus

Because they represent phonemes.

Sort of.

tchrist

 ᛰ  16F0        RUNIC BELGTHOR SYMBOL
 ᚨ  16A8        RUNIC LETTER ANSUZ A
 ᚩ  16A9        RUNIC LETTER OS O
 ᚬ  16AC        RUNIC LETTER LONG-BRANCH-OSS O
 ᚭ  16AD        RUNIC LETTER SHORT-TWIG-OSS O
 ᚮ  16AE        RUNIC LETTER O
 ᚯ  16AF        RUNIC LETTER OE
 ᚰ  16B0        RUNIC LETTER ON
 ᚱ  16B1        RUNIC LETTER RAIDO RAD REID R
 ᚲ  16B2        RUNIC LETTER KAUNA
 ᚳ  16B3        RUNIC LETTER CEN
 ᚴ  16B4        RUNIC LETTER KAUN K
 ᚵ  16B5        RUNIC LETTER G

It looks like you’re right. How strange!

Or for Pete’s sake, the one that claims to be a symbol is a number!

U+16F0 ‹ᛰ› \N{RUNIC BELGTHOR SYMBOL}
    \w \pN \p{Nl}
    All Any Alnum Alpha Alphabetic Assigned InRunic Runic Is_Runic Nl N Gr_Base Grapheme_Base Graph GrBase ID_Continue IDC
       ID_Start IDS Letter_Number Number Print Runr Word XID_Continue XIDC XID_Start XIDS X_POSIX_Alnum X_POSIX_Alpha
       X_POSIX_Graph X_POSIX_Print X_POSIX_Word
U+16B5 ‹ᚵ› \N{RUNIC LETTER G}
    \w \pL \p{L_} \p{Lo}
    All Any Alnum Alpha Alphabetic Assigned InRunic Runic Is_Runic L Lo Gr_Base Grapheme_Base Graph GrBase ID_Continue IDC

U+016E8 ‭ ᛨ  GC=Lo RUNIC LETTER ICELANDIC-YR
U+016E9 ‭ ᛩ  GC=Lo RUNIC LETTER Q
U+016EA ‭ ᛪ  GC=Lo RUNIC LETTER X
U+016EE ‭ ᛮ  GC=Nl RUNIC ARLAUG SYMBOL
U+016EF ‭ ᛯ  GC=Nl RUNIC TVIMADUR SYMBOL
U+016F0 ‭ ᛰ  GC=Nl RUNIC BELGTHOR SYMBOL

Some other "Other Letters" and some are "Letter Numbers".

Hey, you think they wanted people to figure out which one this was?

U+016A6 ‭ ᚦ  GC=Lo RUNIC LETTER THURISAZ THURS THORN

You know, they had some useful letters.

U+016B6 ‭ ᚶ  GC=Lo RUNIC LETTER ENG

‭ Ŋ  014A       LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ENG
        * glyph may also have appearance of large form of the small letter
‭ ŋ  014B       LATIN SMALL LETTER ENG
        = engma, angma
        * Sami, Mende, IPA, ...
‭ ɧ  0267       LATIN SMALL LETTER HENG WITH HOOK
        * voiceless coarticulated velar and palatoalveolar fricative
        * "tj" or "kj" or "sj" in some Swedish dialects
‭ ʩ  02A9       LATIN SMALL LETTER FENG DIGRAPH
        * velopharyngeal fricative

@Cerberus Nice “Latin”, eh? :)

Cerberus

Yeah they always wrote ɧ for "tj" in Latio.

tchrist

 friendlily [ˈfrɛndlɪlɪ], adv.

Etymology: f. friendly a. + -ly[entry#2].

 In a friendly manner, like a friend.

1680 Earl Rochester’s Will in Wills Doctor’s Comm. (Camden) 140 - Soe long as my wife shall..friendlily live with my mother.
C. 1728 Earl of Ailesbury Mem. (1890) 651 - We discoursed friendlily on several subjects.
1829 S. Turner Mod. Hist. Eng. III. ii. xi. 356 - She sent the two nobles..to persuade him..to come back friendlily to her.
1883 Miss Broughton Belinda i. vii, - Nodding friendlily to the powdery miller as they pass.

Not that I would recommend its use, mind you.

Cerberus

19:06

Yeah.

tchrist

@Cerberus Prepare to laugh.

OK, I didn't notice the point in your last paragraph, given the long digression into Latin poetry. — Mitch Feb 20 '12 at 18:05

Well, I thought digressing into Greek poetry might be a little off topic. — John Lawler Feb 20 '12 at 18:43

The best of written humor needs no laugh-track via emoticons, easily standing on its own like John’s comment there.

Cerberus

Right.

At least he knows Latin, that I cannot hold against him.

tchrist

19:24

How come medieval Latin feels like it has a modern meter, but ancient Latin does not? Is it because of the switch from length to stress, or perhaps tone to stress, or both? Except that tone and stress are already interconnected.

I’m probably just pronouncing medieval Latin like Italian or something, and not giving proper length of vowels to Virgil.

Can you recite both forms convincingly? I hadn’t thought of the stress-vs-syllable timed thing John speaks of.

Oh, I missed one at first read.

> The point is that poetic meter is specific, and varies between languages, and may not sound metric to speakers of other languages; while rhythm is far more general, extending even to human contraception.

Haw.

Still like the Greek one better.

Cerberus

19:49

Mediaeval poetry was probably very varied.

The variant he mentions uses rhyme.

And a metre that is not based on syllable length, but rather on some kind of stress, as you say.

Whoever wrote that probably did so based on his own native language, which no doubt had a similar kind of metre.

It feels counter-intuitive to me.

My subconscious wants to read/pronounce Latin in dactylic hexameters or elegiac disticha or something.

Johan Larsson

Bitcoin is bubbling again

Matt Эллен

sell your bitcoins and buy TF2 hats

then sell those

and see if you earned any money

Cerberus

Yay, € 320!

Johan Larsson

I'm not invested

Cerberus

I have two coins.

Matt Эллен

20:00

nor me

Cerberus

Bit.

Matt Эллен

maybe if I invested in hats...

Cerberus

That's a profit of 300 % for me since April.

Matt Эллен

nice

Cerberus

Thanks!!

Johan Larsson

20:01

yeah nice

Matt Эллен

you'll be a fat cat millionaire in no time

Cerberus

Money money money, would be funny... <with a Swedish accent>

A fat cat?

Matt Эллен

or dog, but cat is the idiom

Cerberus

I see.

Matt Эллен

!!define fat cat

KitSox

20:04

@MattЭллен fat cat (slang) A rich person who contributes to a political campaign.

Cerberus

As a slum dog, I wouldn't know.

Matt Эллен

:D

!!urban fat cat

KitSox

@MattЭллен fat cat Smug, selfish and greedy the businessman/woman who exploits their position for their own personal gain at the cost of the businesses or community

Matt Эллен

yeah, that's what I was thinking of

Cerberus

That doesn't sound good?

Matt Эллен

20:05

the wiktionary definition pulls its punches

@Cerberus depends if you're a fat cat or not :D

nikeunltd

hello everyone

Matt Эллен

I don't believe everyone is here. Hello to you

nikeunltd

@MattЭллен haha hello matt

Cerberus

If you're a fat cat, selfish and greedy is good? And a woman?

Hello!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus Yes

Cerberus

20:08

But I don't want to possibly become a woman.

Or a cat.

Matt Эллен

you'd have to acknowledge how you got to be where you were or suffer from some kind of personality schism

Cerberus

Again, not good.

I have a cottage by from Marks & Spencer in the oven btw...

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus ah, well, I think that part's optional, not assigned at random

Cerberus

Oh, too bad.

Matt Эллен

:D

Cerberus

20:09

It would have been funny.

Matt Эллен

Oh, I misunderstood

I didn't realise you definitely want to become a woman

Cerberus

I'm just talking random nonsense, so there is little to understand.

Arg! No!

Matt Эллен

good, good. me too!

Cerberus

I have nothing against women, on the contrary.

Some of the best friends.

But, you know.

Matt Эллен

"If I said she had a beautiful body, do you think she'd hold it against me?"

Cerberus

20:12

Never heard that one before.

mean snicker

See, I can be mean!

Matt Эллен

:o

so mean

@Cerberus you've bought a cottage by M&S with your filthy lucre?

why by M&S?

wouldn't it be nicer to be by the sea?

!!define filthy lucre

KitSox

@MattЭллен filthy lucre (idiomatic) money (

Cerberus

Hahaha.

Jesus. By > pie.

Q: My typing is broken. How fix?

Matt Эллен

!!tell cerberus wiki mavis beacon

KitSox

Mavis Beacon

Mavis Beacon is a fictional character created for the Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing software. History Developed to be a personification of a Software Toolworks instructional typing program, Mavis Beacon debuted as simply a photo of a model on the software's packaging in 1987. The model chosen to be the face of Mavis was Haitian-born Renee Lesperance who was discovered working behind the perfume counter at Saks 5th Avenue Beverly Hills by one of the software developers, in 1985. Mavis's name comes from a combination of Mavis Staples (one of the software developer's favorite singers) and th...

@cerberus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavis_Beacon

Cerberus

20:16

Huh what?

Can this girl's typing software fix me?

Matt Эллен

!!tell cerberus wiki danish bacon

KitSox

@cerberus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Bacon

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus you'll be able to type like a girl

Cerberus

Meh.

And what's this bacon about?

Matt Эллен

It's about tree fiddy

You got tree fiddy?

KitFox

20:23

What's wrong with typing like a girl?

Matt Эллен

nothing. apparently it's good

Mavis Beacon was a girl. Look how good she tope

Mavis Bacon and Danish Beacon

Danish Mavis' beacon bacon

Cerberus

Ah...

Your mind works in mysterious ways.

Matt Эллен

!!define mellifluous

KitSox

@MattЭллен mellifluous Flowing like honey.

Matt Эллен

yes, that sounds about right

maybe the past participle of hype is hope

Cerberus

20:37

It must be.

For what else could it be?

Matt Эллен

don't believe the hype

Cerberus

*hope

Matt Эллен

them too

MετάEd

20:58

types like a girl

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