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Anonymous

18:03

anyone here ?

Cerberus

Bonjour Swisse.

aufkag

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Is this correct English?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Q: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"

Possible Duplicate: “Is become” vs “has become” This is a famous quote from J. Robert Oppenheimer after the successful detonation of the first nuclear weapon. The quote comes from the Bhagavad Gita, a sacred Hindu scripture. This quote has bothered me since I first read it. Is it gram...

Anonymous

@Cerberus Bonsoir :)

Anonymous

I forgot what I wanted to ask. =/

aufkag

18:14

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Gee, thanks. I'll have a look.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@aufkag we've got answers for everything.

Cerberus

@Simon_eQ Tant pis!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Even for things like inquisitive alien robots?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus just upload a virus from your macbook.

Anonymous

He is quiet as a ~~mute~~ ______

Anonymous

anyone ^?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:18

did you mean "quiet"?

> He is as quiet as a ....

mouse

ninja

Anonymous

Ninja is good, but silent would be a better word in that case... or not.

Anonymous

I'm looking for a funny way to say it.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

o hai

Anonymous

lol @cornbreadninja麵包忍者 cool picture.

Anonymous

We're just talking about you :)

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:21

@Simon_eQ thank you! I made it in Powerpoint.

Anonymous

I thought Powerpoint was extinct..

Anonymous

10+ years since I saw one.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Waaaah don't say the word!

@Simon_eQ Lucky you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Isn't that how you deal with alien computers? I saw a documentary about it once.

aufkag

@Simon_eQ mouse/nun/shadow/lamb/turtle/kitten/quiet thunderstorm

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:26

@Simon_eQ do you want it to be something that isn't normally quiet?

Anonymous

@Cerberus I'm curious. Which word are you talking about? I just went through all the expletives, and can't find anything harmful

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I guess a Macbook is an alien computer, yes.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm going to guess macbook.

Cerberus

Yeah, that.

Anonymous

@aufkag quiet thunderstorm? didn't ask for oxymoron.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:27

high fives dog

Pee on it, Cerb!

aufkag

@Simon_eQ whispering mouse/undropped pin/pin dropping on a mouse

Anonymous

@aufkag Nahh...

aufkag

@Simon_eQ Who's your audience?

Anonymous

@aufkag People with mouth, who sometimes use it to laugh.

Anonymous

I did say "funny" after-all.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:49

@Cerb @Mr.Shiny androidpolice.com/2013/10/28/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 yeah I saw that. amazing. I still don't think it will be cost-effective.

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yay! How's your phone doing?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I struggle to imagine how people are going to deal with OS driver updates, for one thing.

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Right, I read about that on a Dutch site. It's a Dutchman, right?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That works for PCs...I rather think the hardware itself is the bottleneck, using space efficiently and stuff.

We've talked about this, haven't we?

You of course didn't think the new idea could work.

And I was like "let's see whappens".

Matt Эллен

all new ideas will fail!

Cerberus

18:54

Shut up, green Mr Shiny.

Matt Эллен

just look at... um... the 3D0

I'm stuggling to remember new ideas that didn't make it

probably because they don't get talked about so much

esperanto?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It isn't a new idea. It's an old idea that is being applied in a new place. However the economics don't seem to make sense to me. Not to mention the usability problems. "you of course didn't think the new idea could work". I could just turn that around to you and say "you refuse to learn any lessons from the past"

Johan Larsson

Three stars for the scraper, there goes my weekend

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey, I just remained open to the idea. What didn't work in 2008 might work now. The market and the technology have changed a lot. I didn't say I thought it would work, I just don't know. It's worth a try.

@JohanLarsson Yes, we're still waiting...

What do we pay you for, hmm??

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus The technology has changed by becoming less modular for end-users. This has brought huge savings in terms of design constraints, os simplification, etc.

Cerberus

19:04

11 mins ago, by Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That works for PCs...I rather think the hardware itself is the bottleneck, using space efficiently and stuff.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Let's just take one simple example. You have a phone made in 2012. It runs Linux 3.4. Now you want to install a new bluetooth module. Surprise! That one requires Linux 3.10.

Cerberus

Nobody said desktops could be the same size as ultrabooks. But there is a compromise.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It turns out that nobody has ever made Linux 3.10 work with this particular combination of hardware.

@Cerberus It's worse than you imagine.

Cerberus

shrugs

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

phones don't use the same architecture as desktops

Cerberus

19:05

I don't know. We'll see.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You can't install arbitrary OSes on them.

It's nearly impossible to install drivers. Where would you even get it? How would you load it?

Cerberus

But you can install Android on 200 devices...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And they each have a custom kernel.

Tailor-made to that specific phone

Cerberus

And all parts that are now used in phones presumably have Android drivers.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes but the drivers aren't swappable willy-nilly to any old kernel

Cerberus

19:06

Small manufacturers poop out new phones by the dozens every year.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Some of them will have closed-source drivers that will never be updated, so you will never be able to upgrade the kernel on that phone. ever.

Cerberus

waves hand I'm sure a solution can be found.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oh, but you NEED to update the kernel in order to get new drivers, because that's how Linux works.

Just look at how difficult it is to get, eg, Cyanogenmod on some devices.

Now imagine that the number of devices was actually infinite.

Cerberus

And yet Cyanogen works on an almost infinite number of devices...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

No, actually, it doesn't.

Like, I have 4 android devices in my house. One is terribly supported. The cyanogenmod version is out of date and very crashy. There are no updates.

And I TRIED to buy a supported device.

It was one of the things I looked for when I was shopping.

gods help anyone who bought some random device somewhere.

Which is, of course, what a fully-modular scheme wants: any random combination of anything. Which, if it worked, would be super.

But it's barely possible now in PCs, and only desirable for people with specific needs.

Cerberus

19:11

They would need to make sure the software works, sure. I hope they will ship it with Cyanogen and get them to support it.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not "any random combination". Just a very small number of hand-picked choices for each module.

"Which do you want, the Kingston 1 GB RAM, or the Kingston 2 GB RAM?".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Not to mention the fact that some hardware changes require fundamental OS changes in order to be useful. Got a fingerprint scanner? now you have to change the OS's lock/unlock features to support that. Etc.

Cerberus

That's how I imagine the choice will be.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure, no experimental features, unless people on XDA come up with some mod. Which you know they will...

But I have to go lose some money in a poker game.

Adios!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

cya

Cerberus

unclips chat module

poof

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 maybe eventually.

@Cerberus great, thank you! Just ordered a case.

@JohanLarsson stars++;

aedia λ

19:28

Aww I missed the puppies.

Hi y'all!

moose

19:41

Hi! I'm currently applying for an internship. Now I got an email which asked me to provide some information. One was "Competing offer deadlines". What is this? Can anybody please help me?

aedia λ

I would guess they want to know if you have other offers with an earlier deadline, so they know when they must respond to you?

I've never heard that phrasing before.

moose

Ok, that's what I thought, too. Thank you aedia!

Stack Exchange

20:29

Limerick Machine: Thanks, but no thanks

posted on October 29, 2013 by sgdi

The turkey was looking quite grim A disease had made it quite thin It’s the last the shop had “Oh it won’t be that bad” It turns out it was much worse for him

Johan Larsson

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I will fail :)

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Things were getting so bad, so hopeless, that I’m here to report that on Sunday I was forced to resort to the most powerful drug known to man.

I am of course referring to kitty.

And that it actually appears to be working.

Oh, and I don’t mean ketamine.

I mean two little baby kittens.

Robusto

@tchrist That's how it starts.

tchrist

No, I suspect that toxoplasmosis is how it starts.

Matt Эллен

here're some more for your addiction

tchrist

20:38

Hm, does anybody know kitty’s LD50? :)

Robusto

@tchrist Toxoplasmosis is how it ends.

@MattЭллен Arty-ar-ar.

Matt Эллен

:D

tchrist

The piano is unparallelled for working through emotions of all sorts, for chasing away verbal thoughts and regulating the mind. But kitty is most excellent at generating awwwwwww thoughts.

Robusto

Now I feel like you're working the room.

tchrist

Non capisco.

If I were doing that, I’d be posting pickies.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

20:40

@tchrist OMFG, please post pictures ASAP.

tchrist

Déjà dit. :)

Robusto

See? It works on cornbread.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist wait, what?

So, no cigars?

tchrist

Lemme see what I can do.

Robusto

I couldn't get my favorite bourbon, so I'm having to Make do with Maker's. Pah.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

20:42

eek!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

21:00

@Robusto what about the Islay Brothers?

Basagna!

I'm not hearing pings today for some reason.

Robusto

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

:O

Smoove.

I meant the ones in your liquor cabinet.

Robusto

I know what you meant. I just wanted a bourbon and vanilla chai tea smoothie before dinner.

Bradd Szonye

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Hi! :D

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@BraddSzonye :D

@Robusto Interesting.

MετάEd

21:07

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 then I can say anything I want.

Bradd Szonye

I had some basagna for lunch this weekend.

Although I rendered it nearly inedible because I don't fully understand my microwave oven.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@BraddSzonye :(

Bradd Szonye

I was supposed to cook it for 7 minutes at full power and 7 minutes at half power. But because I don't understand how the power controls work, I nuked it for 7 full + another 7 full + 4 minutes half (after which I realized my mistake).

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

:x

@MετάEd be my guest.

See my vest.

Bradd Szonye

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Q: Meaningless s- and f-?

I saw some words on etymonline, started with s-, which seems meaningless For example, slack actually means "lax". There are also other words, if you delete the starting letter s or f, they are still words, but may have related or different meanings. I haven't found where this has been mentioned...

prefixes

Tim kinda has a thing for affixes and minimal pairs, doesn't he?

MετάEd

21:13

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I'm your pest.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I only think of you / on two occasions / that's day / and night

Speaking of smoove.

►

tchrist

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

YES

tchrist

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Got yer swerve on tight, gal.

tchrist

21:15

The last is so you can see how small they are.

Matt Эллен

Kids of the cathole. I don't know

Robusto

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist please give them a thousand snuzzles for me!

Also, toe shoes!

@Robusto it's 5:00 somewhere. Hey, like where you are.

tchrist

Those aren’t my shoes: they’re the houseboy’s.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto :(

I stopped watching that one a few into S3. :(

Robusto

21:21

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Hey, blame Matthew Weiner, not me.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto that weiner.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yes indeedy. Some advantages to living on the Right Coast.

@tchrist Never feel sorry for a man who has a houseboy. Or a plane.

Johan Larsson

what is a houseboy?

similar to a poolboy?

Robusto

Sort of.

►

A little like this.

I think the maracas are extra.

Johan Larsson

they never wear much clothes right?

Robusto

21:28

I guess not on the beach in Mexico. But I've never had one.

tchrist

The black&grey mackerel-patterned striped tabby is 9 weeks only, super energetic, and reallt adventurous.

Medium hair, he is.

The orange&white longhair is just a charmer, very warm and cuddy, and not as skittish. He isn’t quite giving into the dominance game the tabby wants to play, but I think he is too nice to win long run. They do get along well together and keep me up all day and all night.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Now I need names.

Forest and Fire? Probably not: imagine yelling FIRE out the back door at my place.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

o_o

Johan Larsson

Jorma and Tore would be unexpected names for those guys

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

ELL and ELU?

Johan Larsson

pretty good^

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

21:31

sed and awk?

vi and vim?

tchrist

Both are pretty feisty if need be, but the longhair is more of a lapcat and the other guy is into mischief.

Maybe name them for my and the houseboy. It would make it hard of guests, though.

@Robusto Somebody has to clean up after me and watch things while I'm gone.

Johan Larsson

Ninja could be a name

tchrist

Firefox?

Foxfire?

Johan Larsson

Ninja and Catbread?

tchrist

Ember?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

21:33

Caticorn?

Johan Larsson

Brio is a good name imo, used it on one of my dogs but he is long gone now. Means happiness or something like that in Latin I think.

Robusto

Means fire.

Or energy. Gusto. Like con brio in music.

Rock out with your cock out. That sort of thing.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Fuego y Piedra?

Johan Larsson

@Robusto still good

Robusto

Speaking of cats. Mine are very sure it's dinnertime.

Laters.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

21:37

curtsies

Johan Larsson

you could name them Value-added and Outsourced

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oof.

Johan Larsson

This always makes me smile.

Think I have posted it before.

> Public Class Foo Is Value-Added By Bar

> Public Mission Critical Function sayName( Value-Added String Name)

aedia λ

@tchrist Awwwwwh!

Robusto

Name them PHP and AHK. The two most wonderfulest programming languages ever.

Or ask on ELU what to name your cats. Yeah, that's it.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

21:50

@Robusto you masshole.

He didn't exactly ask.

Bradd Szonye

> But please, don’t ask any questions about the following topics. They are out of scope for this site.
> * Naming, including naming cats

tchrist

Alien and Predator.

The Sound and the Fury.

Robusto

Gog and Magog.

The Ghost and the Darkness

Abbott and Costello

Ask and Ye Shall Receive

Bradd Szonye

Raphael and Michaelangelo. Or Raphael and Michael.

Robusto

@BraddSzonye It's a very thin line.

@BraddSzonye Immediate disqualification for TMNT reference.

Stop and Go.

Wait and See.

Bradd Szonye

22:03

Heh, my background is more art history than comic books.

Although I guess if one's an orange tabby, Leonardo would be more appropriate.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Apr 17 at 15:28, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Peaches and Cerb

Robusto

@BraddSzonye Then you should have said something more esoteric. Like Van Eyck and Holbein.

Bradd Szonye

I also like angels!

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 But Cerb is a mutant dog, not a cat!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Precious and Few.

Scylla and Charybdis.

Bradd Szonye

22:04

Are they both toms?

Tom's tom club.

Johan Larsson

I have named two dogs Beast. The idea was that the second one was going to be Beast II but they messed up the registration

For female dogs it would be really easy, just Bitch++

Bradd Szonye

I named my second dog Deuce.

Robusto

Well, let me just tell my little tale of woe. Today, three weeks from Code Complete for one section of a product, management decided that we needed to get the UX Architect to weigh in on how our product has to fit in with a new product that isn't going to be out for two years and hasn't even begun to have specifications! Yes! The world is that insane! And we have to include her input in a way that won't screw the schedule.

Johan Larsson

haha

Standard

Bradd Szonye

In two years, the whole platform UI could change.

Robusto

22:07

I took out three one-hundred-dollar bills and tossed them on the table and said, "I'll take the over for three hundred." Nobody saw my bet.

aedia λ

That sounds like fun.

Robusto

And they call that management.

Johan Larsson

that is the definition of management in practice I think

Robusto

And we met with said Architect and she asked us how we could best incorporate her input. I said, "What input?"

Johan Larsson

Cat names: Ludwig and Van

Robusto

22:10

Please. Let's not say things we can't take back.

Johan Larsson

Shiny & Costly could be an option

aedia λ

I've been busy cropping images that we're probably not going to use for anything, so that I can tick a box saying they're all done. I think I might have gone insane already.

Johan Larsson

can you script it?

aedia λ

It only just barely requires a human, so I keep getting distracted.

Sadly, no.

MετάEd

g'nite

aedia λ

22:13

I've got Photoshop actions and everything, but I still have to look at the pictures to see that they come out sensible.

Johan Larsson

nite

aedia λ

Bai!

In the long-forgotten past, I would have been able to foist this off on a graphic designer, but now that's also me.

Johan Larsson

I'm watching tutorials, average is at 2x speed but 3x is not uncommon

aedia λ

How fast you can watch them?

Robusto

@JohanLarsson I've tried to script Adobe stuff before. Their API sucks ballz.

Gotta go.

Johan Larsson

22:23

@aediaλ vlc goes up to 8x but I'm not ready for that yet

aedia λ

'Night!

@JohanLarsson Ah. I don't think I would ever be ready.

Johan Larsson

night early in us today?

KitFox

Nah, I just got here.

aedia λ

It does get dark early here right now though. We haven't set our clocks back yet either to get that extra hour (for the majority of the US for whom Daylight Savings time ends next Sunday).

Johan Larsson

our ended last sunday

Bradd Szonye

22:49

2

A: Feminine equivalent for Casanova

A siren is a good term for a beautiful woman that lures men to do what she wants. Urban dictionary - Siren A very attractive female who has many boys drooling over her. The classic tease. A girl who leads on multiple guys with either her attraction or seductive personality, only t...

aedia λ

Dinnertime! Cya!

Bradd Szonye

The latest edit to this answer boggles my mind. In order to demonstrate that siren no longer has negative connotations, RyeBread added this definition: “The classic tease. A girl who leads on multiple guys with either her attraction or seductive personality, only to reject every offer sent her way; leaving the guy to grieve over his shortcoming.”

This is not negative how, exactly?

I'd like to add another comment to that effect, but 1. the comment thread on that answer is already too long, and 2. it's like talking to a brick wall.

KitFox

23:37

!!hi

!!refresh

KitSox

@KitFox What up?

KitFox

23:52

!!lego

Damn.

!!hi

KitSox

@KitFox Good [insert appropriate time of day here].

@KitFox Could not process input. Error: assignment to undeclared variable link on line 1990

@KitFox What up?

KitFox

Excellent.

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