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00:00
!!lego
@KitFox I need a set number to look up.
!!lego 40056-1
!!lego 2025-1
@BraddSzonye Yeah I've voted your first comment up.
Thanks. Partly I'm just being grumpy. Rawr.
I try not to be grumpy.
I like it.
Rawr!
Oh, oh, oh! I found a thing! A thing someone has already written! It has JSON. @Matt can help with working this out, I'm sure. I forked it. Is that OK or bad etiquette?
I allowed myself to be drawn into another discussion with Lawler about linguistics, so I get what youmean...
The discussion is civilised, of course, but a bit frustrating.
00:15
@BraddSzonye Yeah, you're right.
siren has negative connotations.
Oh, this is pathetic: the United States Trade Representative says that their spying "has nothing to do with current trade negotiations". Big fat liar.
@MrHen In general, yes. Although like femme fatale they can be used for good when you want to imply that somebody is dangerous in an exciting or exotic way.
It's the main reason the NSA spies on Europe.
rawr
@MrHen Except when your house is burning down.
@BraddSzonye True.
00:17
Which I think is the sense that is tripping up the poster.
"Killer" can also be used in a positive sense.
@Robusto Your house burning down is pretty negative...
There is nothing metaphor and irony cannot do.
Likewise, Casanova isn't generally pejorative, although it can be used that way to suggest that somebody is just a player.
@BraddSzonye Agreed completely. I tried to add a bit more context in my own answer to that question :P
00:17
@MrHen But the siren isn't in that circumstance.
A big part of the problem with that question is that sex is full of double standards.
I would say it is more likely to be negative in northern cultures.
@MrHen Lothario is more negative, I think.
Also true.
@Robusto Good one!
00:18
One can laugh about a Casanova, but not about a Lothario...
@Robusto Agreed. I also ran into philanderer and wondered if there was a gyn form of it
Part of me thinks that there might be a good answer to that question, something that carries no negative connotation beyond the basic sexism problem.
@BraddSzonye The best I could come up with was "supermodel" :P
A Venus?
Just any sensual woman with positive connotations.
@Cerberus Venus came to my mind too, but despite being a love goddess I think she's more associated with beauty than seduction.
That's sort of the general problem, most of the words that are positive suggest passive beauty, whereas most of the words that suggest seduction are judgmental.
00:21
Less with dating different men at the same time, that is true.
I thought about cougar but didn't think the age restriction would work well. :P
@BraddSzonye Yes, completely
I don't know of a word meaning "charming woman"
@MrHen Oh, yeah, everybody loves it when their underaged sons get seduced by cougars...
Or killed and eaten!
Rawr!
Now we're back to sirens.
00:22
[part:3700:4]
Hmm.
Seductress isn't actually too bad if you ignore the social baggage.
Although it's lacking the celebrity allusion of Casanova.
Jezebel would be better for that, but sooo much baggage.
Jezebel is more like Lothario.
Let's face it, women are traditionally not supposed to flirt with lots of people.
Jezebel carries a lot of other baggage, too. :P
@Cerberus Yes, that's the root of the problem.
@Cerberus And the stereotypical "female" flirtation is passive, not active.
00:25
@MrHen Yeah, playing hard to get.
A siren is passive; a slut is active.
Indeed.
[part:3700:4]
Once you switch to active, all of the words are negative.
A Casanova can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the audience's point of view.
00:25
@BraddSzonye Yeah, I noted that in my answer too.
[set:5590]
@Noah The University of Alberta, here in the Good Ol' C-A of Nada.
I would rather say a Casanova is still slightly bad, but also funny and partly harmless (even if he breaks a woman's heart).
But I understand what the asker is asking for. This is a pretty common question in discussions of promiscuity and sexuality.
Pretty good answer, MrHen
00:27
It's funny how some men even in modern times don't mind being turned down.
They just try.
@BraddSzonye Thanks. :)
A lot.
Is there a female equivalent to wingman?
I think that's just a female wingman.
Although, I just realized we could get by on a technicality. The question is asking for a feminine variant; not a female variant. ;)
00:29
Ugh.
"flamboyant"
On further thought, I think I may have been overly harsh on RyeBread, and I'm tempted to remove my downvote – except that his edit made the answer worse than it was to start.
I was tempted to flag this off-topic because it is asking for dating advice:
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Q: "dear" what does it mean in this situation

user55204I follow up with a doctor who I like but I am not sure of his feeling coz he always talking with me formally but last time I have appointement I sent him email telling that I will cancel the appointment because my kid is sick he replied telling me some advices for my kid conditions and he said up...

@BraddSzonye I'd say your comments were on target. Whether to downvote or not is your call.
Heh at the “dating advice.”
Largely it's a matter of presentation and attitude. For example, femme fatale isn't really much different from siren (indeed, one of your definitions includes “siren”). And yet, I thought your answer was good while his was terrible.
@BraddSzonye Yeah, but I think femme fatale has a more likely chance to be taken positively than siren.
00:34
I know that's partly because of presentation – you were very clear about the connotation problem – but also because of attitude.
Oh, I see what you mean.
RyeBread even linked to an example of “siren” used to mean “exotic beauty” (from what I could gather from the context), which wasn't too bad.
And if his answer said, “this word has some negative connotations, but it's increasingly used to mean this more neutral thing instead,” I would totally upvote him.
@JohanLarsson was it Cookie Clicker that you asked about? Whether anyone else plays it?
@BraddSzonye Yeah, but saying that 20-somethings don't think of it as negative is hilariously over the top.
They absolutely do. (Source: I know them.)
Femme fatale and siren are both pretty good in that they're sometimes used negatively but not always, similar to Casanova.
Yeah, that's the bit that really gets me, the bit where he starts on the “but my pub mates use it this way!” argument from authority.
00:37
@BraddSzonye Right. I think those are the best two options. I don't think I've actually heard "siren" used to describe a real person, though.
I have, but not recently. I think of it as quaint.
"My girlfriend is a total siren."
"My girlfriend is a total femme fatale."
"My girlfriend is a total Casanova."
Sirens are bad, though, right? Because of the doom and crashing?
Actually, honestly, I don't think there is anything wrong with just using Casanova. :P
Casanova implies sexual prowess.
00:39
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That's exactly the ongoing debate. :)
That's an interesting point, just using Casanova for women.
Yeah, I think the basic problem is that siren can either mean “alluring woman” or “woman luring.” One is reasonably positive, the other is not.
The basic problem with that specific word, anyway.
Given that Casanova has a similar connotation problem, it might make for a good answer, if it were presented the right way.
That question is a mess. Well, the page.
I think OP should provide more information.
Yeah, true.
Interesting answer from Mari-Lou.
Outside of the Odyssey, siren has usually had attractive and alluring connotations. The danger is generally downplayed.
00:53
That's just masculine recklessness.
That is a tautology.
Anyway, the answer to female Casanova is probably Jezebel. Ding!
@Robusto Yeah, I thought of Jezebel too.
It's probably the best analogue if you intend insult.
Some moron just downvoted this answer. This is the same answer as the accepted one, except I gave it first, lo these many years ago. Why I don't play in this sandbox anymore, Part XXXIX.
@BraddSzonye Ah, so you did. Sorry, was tabbed out.
@BraddSzonye Exactly.
01:34
Hey, people. Do you want to contribute to Mozilla's new, open-source location service?
Install the application on your phone and run it once in a while. It will map Wifi and cell towers linked to GPS, so the service can use it for people to find their location even if they have no GPS. It is really important that we all develop an open-source, non-spying alternative to Google's ubiquitous location service.
The application will only run when you tell it to start scanning, and turn off when you tell it to. All data are anonymous. Mozilla can be trusted.
01:53
@Cerberus Thanks for the Dutch note on my question. The languages are so closely related that I'm not surprised that there are analogues there.
Hello, Sir. Good day to you.
And it sort of jibes with my “more English” theory.
Oh, wait, I'm not incognito here. I can admit to talking to you in the comments.
@BraddSzonye Yes, I think arch-/aarts-/erz- could be considered vernacular adaptations of the Latin/Greek prefix.
archdeacon, archidiaconal, archbishop, archiepiscopal are interesting!
Funny how the nouns are English but the adjectives are Latinate.
> Some words have both forms, as archi-presbyter, arch-presbyter.
01:57
Odd though that archangel follows the Latinate pattern though, since it's 12c. and closely related to English engel.
Huh.
You mean its pronunciation?
That is indeed an anomaly.
But then English loves anomalies.
Etymonline says: Replaced Old English heah encgel. (presumably “high angel”)
Like pious, impious, impiety.
@BraddSzonye But almost all heah compounds were replaced with arch(i)-, weren't they?
Were they? I don't know enough about that root.
Ah, I see also heah biscop.
Yes, heah is “of great height, lofty, tall, exalted, high-class.”
heah hore
Sigh, saying naughty things in Old English, another straw on the camel's back of why I'm going to Hell.
The etymonline entry for whore is unusually detailed.
02:13
Haha.
Also hooker. I'm sensing a theme here.
An etymologer's private interest?
> High Council, High Commissioner, High Priest(ess), High Court.
02:38
@Cerberus If only. Google said "Don't be evil" once upon a time too. As soon as everyone starts using the Mozilla, it's Katie bar the door.
Anyway, I'm out. And outré.
02:59
@Robusto Nah, Mozilla is in it for profit. They're the good guys, just like Wikipedia.
And, yes, you're always outré.
03:50
Yes, the longer version with Tim Minchin is a bit better:
04:13
"The average Facebook user has gotten older over the last few years" explains Randall Munroe.
"Archpoobah" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Same for "archmuckitymuck".
And don't even get me started on archballs.
04:45
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Q: In The Thousands

johnchuGiven this standard English sentence: The town population numbers 3000. where "number" is transitive. Then for this sentence: The town population numbers in the thousands. is "in the thousands" a quasi noun then?

Smells like troll, but it's collecting upvotes and answers.
Hi
@BraddSzonye I don't know, but I think the question is on topic.
How are you doing @skullpatrol?
@Noah Fine thanks, how are you?
I am okay. Thank God.
Alive and healthy so far.
04:55
:-)
What are you up to?
Passing time?
Chillin'
Umm.
Are you in EU?
I mean eourope but that damn name is so difficult to spell.
yep
you?
States.
The enemy of the world.
04:57
icic
I didnt have to do anything with the wiretapping. It's all Obamas.
LOL
05:17
@Noah This particular user is so problematic that the moderators delete his posts on sight, regardless of whether they might otherwise be on topic.
A few of us regular users try to close them when we see them, so that other users don't waste time answering questions that will almost certainly be deleted.
I remember one user but cannot recall his name. I don't know if this is the same guy.
If the initials are NS, it's the same guy.
I remember now.
Northron
But do we have to be so aggressive toward people?
I know how frustrated the mods could be but I don't think that's the right approach.
He might have come to his senses.
06:00
@Noah NS doesn't think like most people. I think he can't stop being what he is.
@MετάEd Should we imprison him?
how about the death penalty?
How about we send him to Afghanistan?
same thing^
just slower...
imo
@Noah What?
06:15
@MετάEd I mean should we imprison this NS thing?
I don't know if he is a human.
@Noah Is this a serious question?
Yeah.
Then you answer it.
Do I sound not serious to you?
Let me call 911.
@Noah You sound unbelievably insensitive.
06:17
@MετάEd Do I?
06:38
@BraddSzonye Not for much longer.
 
3 hours later…
09:16
@KitFox looks like you've got things under control?
Is it better to have things under control or control over things?
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Don't think i asked
@skullpatrol yes
Jez
Jez
09:55
another McD's double sausage and egg mcmuffin meal for breakfast. i am so going to hell. :-D
10:06
do they make you eat McD's in hell?
Jez
Jez
they make you eat it in heaven, but it's not fattening :-)
these strawberry shakes
basically densely packed sugar with ice
10:22
McDs thicken their shakes with potato
Jez
Jez
heh
im going to see Jack Dee tonight
wonder what his routines are like these days
hmm. maybe that's just an urban legend.
@Jez yeah. I used to really enjoy his stuff. I haven't seen anything of his for a while
Hi
everyone
I wonder where @DavidWallace is these days?
Jez
Jez
i don't
I wonder where @DavidWallace is these days?
10:28
New Zealand
well, probably. I don't have a tracking device on him
We should put one on him, I guess.
Apparently the thickness of McDs shakes is actually cellulose gum
harmless and indigestible
11:21
-1
Q: Why do several words have two or more meanings?

ChipsWhy do several words have two or more meanings? For example: fly - to fly like a bird fly - like black people say "he is so fly" cool - cold to touch cool - like some kids say when the like something ??? Why is english so stupid to do this?

awww bless
@RegDwigнt At least this horrible thing only happens in American English.
Yes. World English is a much purer form, only allowing one meaning per word
Actually I should have upped the ante and asked him to name not one language without homonyms, but one word in any language that does not have several meanings.
Apparently Serbian fits the bill!
11:25
His reply seems to indicate that he now realises his question is a bit ridiculous.
Why serbians?
Ah yes, Serbian is peculiar. But your description is not entirely correct. What actually happens in Serbian is that once a word is found to have a second meaning, a law is enacted that says it's actually Croatian, or Bosnian, or Macedonian, or Shtokavian, or Old Church Slavonic. And until the law is passed, as a work-around you just write the one meaning in Cyrillic and the other in Latin. (Disclaimer: I am not a Serbian lawyer.) — RegDwigнt 7 secs ago
This is one of these cases where it sort of helps to have an н in your handle. Immediate credibility boost.
Nice.
Yes, what a small capital H won't do for your reputation!
11:32
That's not a small capital H. That's a large uncapital н.
A bastard version of capital H.
Yes, Hоа. You should know.
You should noah.
Noah? I've not even met her.
You cannot make fun of my name. That' a prophetic name.
I noah rite.
11:35
Respect my name or your won't have a place in my Ark.
I will build my own Ark, with blackjack and hookers.
I want to ride on Reg's ark
Out of LEGO.
oh
maybe not so much
What, "oh"?
11:36
Come on guys. I will give you a free ride @MattЭллен
I can also provide you with Afghan Hashish.
just think about it.
A wet LEGO floats. A wet log goes down like a wet log.
well, individual LEGO bricks are strong, but constructing an ark I could fit on might be a bit flimsy
@MattЭллен that's why you don't construct shit, and leave it to pros.
@RegDwigнt Not this again! Why did you bring up the subject again?
Just like your three A's...
11:38
@Cerberus um, we have long moved on. It's you who's bringing it up again now.
Kick yourself or something. Thanks.
kicks self
Good boy.
AH-HAH!
I thought the wind uprooted you guys. But you are still here. AMAZING.
And you too!!
11:40
I'm not here. I'm over there.
I am here. And you guys are no where.
Where?
I gotta go.
Bai!
Bi.
11:42
later
Hah.

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