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Robusto

14:01

@MattЭллен Pfft. You don't have real pub crawls in Oxonia. More like drags, where you have to be dragged from bar to bar.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto ha! you don't have real pubs in USAnia

KitFox

@O0oO0oOO0ooO I think she's a good gymnast.

Robusto

@MattЭллен Sure we do. We just don't walk to them.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@O0oO0oOO0ooO why is the pedobear leading her out?

RegDwighт

If that's a real pub, I don't want to see unreal ones.

Robusto

14:04

@O0oO0oOO0ooO That's a balk. Base runners advance.

DarkHorse

I'm back

KitFox

I'm off to get more coffeee. Anybody else want some?

DarkHorse

so hot even at night

Robusto

I'm good.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox ooh! me please

DarkHorse

14:06

yeah, @KitFox

KitFox

Decaf or regular, or somewhere in between?

DarkHorse

Do you like tea?

KitFox

I have some. You prefer that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I like my coffee dark and black.

DarkHorse

A coffee with some salt please

RegDwighт

14:07

@DarkHorse but that would actually make it taste better.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The way you like your women?

RegDwighт

I don't get it. How can it be dark and not black.

Dark blue?

Matt Эллен

Dork Brew

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт dark roast, served without milk

KitFox

serves

Matt Эллен

14:10

returns

KitFox

lobs

RegDwighт

The dark roast of today is the so bloody it drips of yesteryear.

Matt Эллен

scurries

swings

O0oO0oOO0ooO

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They are not Pedo bears =*( They are Doosan bears mascots =) Pedo bear is gay but they are non-gay bears

Matt Эллен

misses

KitFox

14:10

I have a local dark roast, hope that's OK.

Matt Эллен

falls over

KitFox

Yes!

I mean, are you OK?

Matt Эллен

:D

RegDwighт

@O0oO0oOO0ooO pedo bear is gay? Pedo bear is GAY'? Why are you hating on the pedo bear?

Matt Эллен

I've grazed my elbow, but I'm good

RegDwighт

14:11

You don't have to be gay to be a pedo. Or a bear, for that matter.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I don't hate Pedo bear but I just wanted to clarify the differences =)....

KitFox

@MattЭллен OK. dabs area with spit soaked napkin, applies kiss and bandaid

Matt Эллен

aww. thanks :D

RegDwighт

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Trust me, Pedo bear would totally take your daughter, first thing in the morning.

KitFox

The littlest has skinned his knees daily for about the last ten days.

Matt Эллен

14:13

having fun, I assume?

RegDwighт

Peeling.

Matt Эллен

not running from wild beasts, or the like

RegDwighт

Running alright, but on your knees.

KitFox

Well, he acts like he's running from wild beasts.

Matt Эллен

:D

DarkHorse

14:14

what is Pedo bear?

KitFox

I think he's having a growth spurt because he doesn't seem to be able to manage his feet.

!!/urban pedo bear

RegDwighт

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Matt Эллен

you are so pretty / when you're on your knees / disinfected / and eager to please

KitFox

Oh. Where's Caprica?

@DarkHorse urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pedo+bear

knowyourmeme.com/memes/pedobear

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox wow. CP Distributor.

DarkHorse

14:20

There are seven items to interpreted the words but which one is the real in your thought

RegDwighт

My thoughts are not real.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@DarkHorse read "know your meme", it's a better explanation

RegDwighт

Just read Wikipedia already.

Matt Эллен

all of it

RegDwighт

In all languages.

When you're done, it'll have changed enough for you to start over.

Matt Эллен

14:23

then watch every youtube video

RegDwighт

Now that is physically impossible.

Matt Эллен

and hold a sensible discussion on /b/

RegDwighт

They upload 100 minutes every minute.

Robusto

yesterday, by Robusto

> In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

RegDwighт

That's not yours, also not yesterday.

Robusto

14:24

Whoa, get possessive much?

RegDwighт

Not much. Just about enough.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт you just need to watch 100 screens simultaneously

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is that like ignoring 100 open tabs simultaneously? I could do that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

or, 101, since you need one screen to watch all the old minutes, and 100 screens for the new minutes

@RegDwighт Yes, if you can see all 100 tabs at once, then it is the same.

RegDwighт

I can see the tab headers, yes. The first couple pixels of each.

Robusto

14:26

11 hours ago, by Robusto

Episode One, Season Six of Breaking Bad. Wow. Just wow.

KitFox

I didn't realize pedo bear was a safety officer.

RegDwighт

Jul 23 at 15:45, by Mitch

@tchrist Lordy, lordy, gosh almighty, hear my leprechauns! They are so loud!

Robusto

I presume you didn't get that episode in your country.

RegDwighт

Your presumption is wrong as always.

Robusto

So you did see it?

RegDwighт

14:28

Your presumption is wrong again.

See?

Works every time.

Robusto

> “in the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rental car”

Matt Эллен

So you can't see?

Robusto

@RegDwighт I presume you wish no further dialogue on the subject. Or just to bait me. So I will just let it go.

RegDwighт

I'm not sure what dialogue you expect on something only you saw.

Robusto

lets it go

RegDwighт

14:31

Speaking of which, I saw a great movie two days ago. I wondered if you were familiar with it.

Smoke with Harvey Keitel, William Hurt, Forrest Whitaker.

... and Giancarlo Esposito.

In a mini role. Blink and you'll miss him. I did.

Robusto

No, I've not seen it. But with a cast like that, I definitely will.

RegDwighт

I am here to recommend it to you. I am certain you might love it. Love, not like.

Robusto

I will look for it on my various venues.

RegDwighт

A lot of dialogue, and damn me if it ain't some of the best written ever.

Robusto

I wonder how it escaped my notice till now.

RegDwighт

14:33

Also a lot of big pauses, and tiny pauses, and middle-sized pauses, in all the right places.

@Robusto I'd never so much as heard of it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction, for what must have been the 304th time, and that movie was on right after it.

I wasn't in the mood to watch another movie, but the first scene had me interested, and the second even more so, and after the third I couldn't stop watching.

And the next morning there was a re-run into which I zapped by chance, and I had to watch the thing again, start to finish, even though I had recorded it by then.

So yeah, the point being, I can totally see why they showed it right after Pulp Fiction. There are a number of parallels that are immediately apparent.

But at the same time it's very different, too.

Very poetic in places. Never cheesy, however.

KitFox

Oh, Smoke. Yeah, that was good.

RegDwighт

Oh you saw it?

Going by the IMDb page only three and a half people did.

I do wonder why that would be.

KitFox

phone bbl

RegDwighт

Yeah and I must do some work, grrr.

tchrist

14:59

0

A: Precise names for parts of a day

Just a warning about noon and midnight: one should never use a.m. or p.m. (or ᴀᴍ and ᴘᴍ) in conjunction with noon and midnight. They are at best ambiguous and confusing, and at worst, simply wrong. Noon is neither ᴀᴍ nor ᴘᴍ, and midnight is arguably both. You can also easily find conflicting o...

That should be enough documentation.

KitFox

You should probably answer the other parts of the question too, though.

Lunch, later.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist I don't understand why 12:00:01 pm would unarguably be 1 second after noon but 12:00:00 pm would somehow not be noon.

Matt Эллен

because 12:00:00 is not post meridian

it is meridian

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah but so what.

Matt Эллен

so 12pm is midnight, I guess

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:08

well, except that 12am is midnight.

Matt Эллен

I agree with @KitFox — only use 24hr time

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh, I wish

I use 24 hour time personally. But sadly too many people don't use it.

I especially hate it when people say something happens at "midnight" on a particular day.

Matt Эллен

:D

does 00:00:00 solve that? I suppose it does.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But that is a different kind of confusion. If I have a clock that only shows the minutes, the time 12:00 is PM for most of that minute that is "neither". The instant of "meridian" is instantaneous.

Matt Эллен

I suppose if it happens at midnight, they must mean the end of the day, rather than the beginning

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:12

@MattЭллен I dunno. "Tonight at midnight" is clear. "Tomorrow at midnight": less clear.

Matt Эллен

apparently I misspelt: it's post meridiem

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

once midnight hits, tomorrow starts. Did you mean that? or did you mean "Tommorow [night] at minight"

@MattЭллен hm. I guess me too :)

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I put night at the end of the day

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен I do too, but you can't be sure.

Matt Эллен

true

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:13

"Thursday at midnight"

Does that mean at 00:00:01 or 23:59:59?

Matt Эллен

I would say it's one second after 23:59:59 on Thursday

except for new years

hmmm

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен I would say at the start of Thursday. If it's, eg, a movie opening.

Matt Эллен

yeah, I agree

Mitch

@Robusto I did.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But how do I know if they're following the "day starts at midnight" convention, or the "night follows day" convention?

Matt Эллен

15:15

Lets just agree to never meet at midnight or midday :D

well, I suppose midday would be OK

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

or use 24 hour time.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I agree. My mom has a crazy thing about this.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox what kind of thing?

Matt Эллен

and if we meet at 0 o'clock on Thursday, that's the morning, right?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен yes

so, leave your house on wednesday

Matt Эллен

15:20

gotcha

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but let's be honest. I am a dad now. I have kids. I don't really meet people at midnight on any day.

KitFox

Well, she's got the whole "it's noon or midnight, not PM/AM" and when she's tells it to you she's got crazy in her eyes, like it is so important that you understand this.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox lol. I DO understand this. I am simply trying to be practical.

KitFox

Well, that's my thought too.

Who cares?

But she talks about it like I am denying the second coming of Christ.

Seriously. Why is it so important?

Mitch

Why can't we all just ignore midnight altogether? All this confusion is exactly why evil occurs in the world at that time.

KitFox

15:22

The answer is, it isn't.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I will acknowledge that there is an infinitesimal period of time which must logically never be AM or PM and that that moment is "noon" and that it happens around 12:00pm. But You can pry my 12:00pm out of my cold dead fingers.

KitFox

You could. Or you could acknowledge honestly that a line has no width.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Sadly, the thing is that people still manage to get it wrong.

Mitch

@KitFox ha ha like other people who tell you you better goddam well not say AM or PM!

KitFox

So crossing it takes no time at all.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:24

People who would still believe that they live in a universe where 12:00am could somehow be followed by 12:00:01pm.

Mitch

@KitFox It sounds like she's like everyone else on the internet!

DarkHorse

The website is so boring

englishforums.com

I intend to talk with you here

MετάEd

@KitFox ObSomethingWrongOnTheInternetMeme.

KitFox

Thx.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah but fixing wrong things on the internet is the only reason we're HERE

MετάEd

15:25

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought the Internet was for porn.

KitFox

You haven't even come close to my mom's kind of crazy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MετάEd oh, I meant SE.

Matt Эллен

SE is for porn, now?

MετάEd

When did SE stop being for porn?

KitFox

She's the kind of crazy...oh, look, porn.

Matt Эллен

15:26

good point

rule 34 AM noon PM

Mitch

@KitFox Well it'll be mighty inconvenient when your crew isn't there to pick you up after you've rappelled down the side of the skyscraper after cracking the bank vault with ice-9. You're standing on the dark street corner, sirens in the distance, "thinking Oh shit, was it AM or PM" See? Communication is important.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No. Wrong. I came here to agree with people. Also to not be a hypocrite.

@MattЭллен ha ha... There should be a rule 34 addendum, that what you get is either boring or disturbing. AM noon PM pix? Disturbing.

Matt Эллен

heh. I haven't looked, yet (I'm at work)

KitFox

So I am trying to order checks with our new address. I do the online thing and it says "You need to contact us by phone to do that." I call them and the automated system says "I can't do that, you need to contact your financial institution."

Frigging things.

tchrist

15:41

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I’ve seen people claim that even under 24-hour time, there is a 00:00:00 and a 24:00:00 for a given day.

@MattЭллен really?

Matt Эллен

I don't make the rules

tchrist

Yeah.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist I could accept that. It's weird, but the point remains that that time is attached to a particular calendar day, whereas "midnight" is TWO points of time on a particular calendar day.

00:00:00 is the first midnight, 24:00:00 is the second.

tchrist

I don’t pretend to argue with that.

I just don’t know what to do about it.

That’s why timetables do the :59 or :01 trick.

I had somebody the other day claim that “next day” times were represented by hours > 24, so a train that left at 22:50 and arrived at 24:30. That bothers me.

@MattЭллен Do they do that kind of thing chez toi?

I just don’t like times > 24:00:00, if that.

MετάEd

The problem is that a time such as 10:34 am is both the name for a moment and the name for a time period lasting one minute.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:49

@tchrist ugh. I don't think I like that. It is pretty clear what is meant though, if you allow for non-standard times as correct instead of just completely wrong.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist what kind of thing? I haven't looked it up

tchrist

Timetables with post-midnight arrival times written as though the clock had more than 24 hours.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If I saw a timetable list an arrival time as 24:30 I'd assume it was misprinted.

MετάEd

When 12:00pm is the name for a time period lasting one minute, it is perfectly clear that it refers to the one minute of time which begins at noon.

But because 12:00pm is also the name for an instant, confusion results.

tchrist

There can be no 12pm instant, though.

MετάEd

15:51

@tchrist Exactly.

tchrist

Just an instant between 11:59pm and 12:01am.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MετάEd Sadly for enough people it is not clear. Which is why, despite my personal understanding that 12:00pm is always noon, and such a notation is clear to me, and is never midnight, I assume that someone will get it wrong.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That’s because it used to be the other way around.

MετάEd

However I would argue that 99.9% of the time when we refer to a time such as 10:34 am we are referring to that minute, not that instant.

@tchrist Really?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist What? So the time would go 11:59 am, 12:00 am, 12:01 pm? ?!? where did they use this convention?

Also, how did they ever stop?

tchrist

15:53

The US gubbermint printing office issued an update on their standard. It used to be that you had exact on-the-hours of 1 o’clock to 12 o’clock AM followed by exact on-the-hours of 1 o’clock to 12 o’clock pm.

@MετάEd Yeah. Lemme get you the ref.

MετάEd

@tchrist I certainly don't remember this being the case in my community.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Ah, the government. Can't trust them to get anything right.

KitFox

I don't remember that ever being the case either.

But I'm not that old.

tchrist

Notice the 1953 rule.

Japan still has it that way.

So midnight used to be at the end of the day, not at the beginning.

When midnight is at the end, then noon is considered AM and midnight PM.

KitFox

I would think abbreviating "noon" as m would be more confusing.

tchrist

15:57

No kidding. Who thinks of it as midday?

At least they could have had MD and MN.

Just plain M is wicked.

KitFox

I don't think it is for midday. I think it is for meridiem.

Matt Эллен

antimidday midday promidday

tchrist

@KitFox Oh.

Then what would m.n. be for?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist So. Would 12:01 am be just after midnight or just after noon, under the 1953 rules?

Matt Эллен

just after noon

tchrist

15:59

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 12:01 am is a minute following 12:00 pm. Sorry. It’s a one-based system not a zero-based one.

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