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04:07
Do you know "Fan BingBing" ?
Her name made me laugh once because "Bing Bing" means spinning in Korean and her name literally means a fan is spinning
of course, she is one of the best brilliant stars in China
beautiful woman, Do you think so?
Yeah, she is hot!
Hot as Buffalo wings!
> These kind of knaves I know.
@tchrist One more thing about using an e-mail provider than encrypts all your stuff: if you encrypt the content of an e-mail in, say, Gmail, or your own e-mail server, you still cannot encrypt the meta-data: "the Internet" needs to know where to send it to. So an e-mail leaving your IP address and addressed to the e-mail address of someone else can be linked to you.
If, however, you send the e-mail to SilentCircle with the meta-data also encrypted, then all anyone can see is that you communicate with SC; and they can see that SC sends encrypted e-mails to various e-mail addresses, but they have no idea who the author of each of those e-mails is, nor when they were sent exactly.
04:17
So it is just as with VPN companies and darknets and Tor: they create a pool of stuff that can be "blamed" on them, but not on their clients.
And, if both you and Snowden were to be subscribed to SilentCircle, you could avoid the e-mail protocol altogether and mask both source and address.
If, again, you both install a simple encrypted chat client, people can still see that traffic is going from your IP to his.
If you throw both of your traffic into a giant pool / black hole instead, like SC, it is again invisible for all.
I think SMTP already has its own encryption mechanism. I'm not sure how packets look like in SMTP but it probably has some kind of indications to tell the other end about yourself
If you are interested, then you must read the latest RFC on SMTP
=D....
Sometimes Tor exit nodes get police visits. But so far facilitating anonymity in general is still legal, so the exit node cannot be punished. And being a large pool with a company behind it makes you even stronger, under present legal conditions. Of course in China and Iran such pools (VPNs, darknets, etc.) may already be illegal.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO I have no idea, but I'm sure there are many ways to encrypt things...
@Cerberus I doubt that will last.
@tchrist I don't know, companies and embassies also absolutely depend on encryption.
My guess is, if you high-jack email while it's transferring you can't decrypt it and read its contents because you don't know the key to decrypt it. Only way hackers can check your email is by accessing your email account
04:23
The only real "solution" is to only allow encryption for a whitelist of "patriotic" companies that allow you to install backdoors.
And I'm sure the NSA etc. have been trying to implement such a thing for many years already.
But, luckily, business does not want this and will defeat attempts at compulsory backdoors.
Not sure how they look upon whitelisting.
Only whitelisted companies are allowed to have no backdoor, but everyone else must have one?
You can see how tricky it is, politically, to make that into a law.
Perhaps. But I trust no one not to be evil anymore, and rather quite expect them to try anything and everything, and worse.
Of course they will try anything. But, if you can't legally punish someone for providing a pool of anonymity, that is a formidable hurdle.
You can still try to install some physical wiretapping, bribe employees, create honeypots.
Which is of course what they are already doing.
Our own embassies would be the only thing they would even half-care about, not companies.
I disagree.
Companies fund your politics and so influence laws and the NSA's budget.
Politics cares about companies.
The NSA, I’m pretty sure, couldn’t give a rat’s ass about them.
04:30
And only politics can create illegality.
I wouldn't say that. The NSA is strongly linked to certain corporate interests.
Since the NSA seems to think it is above the law.
They spend most of their budget on subcontractors.
Nasty, that.
Like Snowden.
Yeah, I know.
I have to go to sleep now; I’m up way too late for me. Have a good night.
04:32
I think one of the safest things you can count on is that laws that run counter to the interests of most large corporations will in all probability not pass.
what's a person about Snowden?
Yeah, same here. Good night.
Edward Joseph Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an American computer specialist who worked for the CIA and the NSA and leaked details of several top-secret United States and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. Based on information Snowden leaked to The Guardian in May 2013 while employed at NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, the British newspaper published a series of exposés that revealed programs such as the interception of U.S. and European telephone metadata and the PRISM, XKeyscore, and Tempora Internet surveillance programs. Snowden's disclosures are said...
his action is appreciated in the point of common people?
What do you mean by "in the point of"?
in the view of
04:37
Ah OK.
The large majority of people in the world appear to support him, that is, the majority of those who know who he is.
In America, the majority is somewhat smaller, but I believe it is still a majority, the people who support him.
Among people with an academic education, I think almost everyone supports him. Like 80+ %.
right
What do you think?
I guess the situation is very different in China.
I thought he is a good hacker
Haha.
Yes, I'm sure he is.
By "good", you mean "skilful", right?
Or do you mean "morally good"?
I guess he is both.
China government keep silence to avoid conflict
04:41
Yeah...
I support him in my heart
Great.
Because China government will talk to me if i speak that loundly
The NSA, who are now reading our chat along with the rest of the Internet, are probably fed up with how everyone has been talking about Snowden for weeks, hehe.
@DarkHorse Yes, I understand.
You do know that this chat room is public, right?
Everything that is said here is saved by Google for eternity.
So anyone can see what we are saying here, even 5 years from now.
But they couldn't find me throught the name in internet
I am also a good hacker, ^_^
04:46
Haha, great.
I have to go to bed now.
I wish you a happy time on Stack Exchange!
Hi All
I must to have a little rest, so hot at afternoon
Morning!
Hi! I was just leaving.
see you later, guys
04:47
Bye!
I have to say "I have been monitoring some event for changes"
and have to include "bird's-eye view"
Sounds good?
how about the resultant sentence?
?I have monitoring from the bird's-eye view"?
I think you mean "I have been monitoring x from a bird's-eye view"?
yea, i meant that! Thanks @Cerberus
04:51
Great!
From a Bird's Eye View is a 1970 ATV and ITC Entertainment co-produced sitcom. In the United States it aired on NBC, which had originally ordered the series as an entry in the 1969-70 TV season but pushed it back to the 1970-71 season as a mid-season replacement. The series followed two International Airlines stewardesses, a scatterbrained Briton and a savvy American, as they flew the London-European routes. The series ran for 16 25-minute colour episodes. The series was not a big success in either the UK or the US, but ITC re-used the format (and the writers and crew) for the Shirley ...
Now I must go to bed.
good night!
Good-bye!
see you!
disappears in a cloud of smoke
have your
goals in your dreams from a bird's eye view
:-)
04:53
Haha, thanks! Bye!
where are you from @udaysagar
wild guess....
I guess you are from a country whose people don't speaking english as me
may be someplace in the corner of world
05:11
haha
I agree, I don't speak good english as you do
but not from some corner of the world
!
:-)
India
but not from some corner of the world
05:40
Hi, does anyone know what the plastic packets that can be sealed by pressing the opening together are called?
Lock & Lock
Or Lock & Rock or something, not sure
You might want to visit this site-
@udaysagar Excellent just found out myself
resealable, zip-close packets
thank you very much!
have a great day!
@udaysagar Hold on there sir, are you advertising your website here?
I mean, a product?
05:45
No way!
gud
I like Lock & Rock because it rocks at locking
No spilling at all =D...
did you take me to the manager of that company? haha
06:01
hi
Hello
What's cracking?
I was reading a book named cracking code interview
which code is that?
most of the code writed with java
okay!
I work on PHP
06:12
It's a bit difficult for c or c++ programmer like me
Do you even know how Java programmers can become rich?
Frankly speaking, C++ is a close friend of both Java and PHP
really?
dont understand is that a question or satire
:-)
06:18
I don't know, just asking
Nothing serious
@DarkHorse What kind of program do you program in C++?
and C?
@O0oO0oOO0ooO your english is much better than me
some project about car navigation
Thanks, my English is the bestest
bestest? you mean that it can't be better any more?
Your English is the worstest but don't underestimate yourself
Yeah, that explains it I guess
Car navigation? Sick man..!
so what's the senior work as you think?
06:25
Are you asking the question to me?
Do you mean Senior work as works for grandma and grandpa ? Well it depends on what those old people are still capable of doing in their age I guess. But usually they retire don't they?
are you joking?
I don't know, just use your imagination ! =D...
I means some work with more challenge
06:33
Hmm, climb up mount Everest
@O0oO0oOO0ooO how old are you?
20, you?
older than you
06:45
haha, good conversation......!
Do you really think so? @udaysagar
That made me laugh..
the conversation
on "senior work" haha
@DarkHorse How old are you?
I talked to a lot of Indians last night on a random chat program and 99% are either engineer or IT professional and their salaries are around 30,000 rupees
Is that true?
Yes
where you from?
06:58
Heard Korea is famous for Electronics
Isn't it?
Yeah, we like to beat Japanese so we are currently better than Japanese at everything they were once good at
except drawing Manga
how many dollars are equal to 30,000 rupees? @udaysagar
roughly 500
just divide by 60
OMG, $500 for salary?
07:00
That's way too little!
500 dollars is too less for life
@O0oO0oOO0ooO That might be of the people you talked last night
but the average comes to 50k-70k
Yes, but there's a huge difference. In Pakistan and India (sorry, Uday, I don't know where you're from; only that you mentioned rupees), you can buy a decent meal for the equivalent of $1. I'd like to see you do that in any country where dollars are the currency.
so your mean is that programmer is rich in india
I lied to one of them and said I'm female and asked him what is he doing and he said "I'm choking my penXs, thinking about you".
So I asked him "Do you mean stroking"?
and he was like "ohoh!"
07:05
@DavidWallace You are true! India is a developing country but good days ahead for sure. :-)
I agree on the decent meal for $1. But varies with the restaurant you choose.
Of course. But it is a complete contrast from western countries. I frequently spend $20 on my lunch.
China is a rich country but lots of the money likely more than 90% is grasped by 10% rich people
1200 rupees..OMG!
@DarkHorse my notion of rich people here at india, first politicians, second management/business and third computer geeks
@udaysagar I am not rich by western standards. It simply means that to understand how many dollars equals how many rupees, it doesn't make sense just to consider the exchange rate.
I spend $2 for lunch but I have a salary of $1500
07:08
I heard once $1 = rupee 1
@DarkHorse I was in Australia to study abroad for few years and I was jealous about so many Chinese students in my university. They are mostly only child in their family and their parents pretty much pool all their money to them
@udaysagar Umm, yeah, that would sound about right. Approximately.
They spend $1000 on hiring someone to do their assignments
I once got paid $600 dollars to do their homework
As i see you are rich
Sounds good! :-)
07:10
No you are rich
Please share those homeworks with us too! haha
You rich ass people, I'm so jelly
I think this people is someone borned in rich family, they just be send to aboard for diploma
yes, might be
I hate this state
when I said I'm chinese now, in some degree I am shame for that
07:14
which aspect?
so many people get lots of money but the result build upon depriving the wealth of poor
especially for politicians or businessman related to them
@DarkHorse China has some very rich people and some very poor people. There is no cause for personal shame in that.
Do you understand what i'm saying?
You have advantage of being Chinese, if you were a Korean or Russian then you should go to Army for 2 years
I need to go to army in few months =( FML
really?
07:17
Yeah
or in korea?
war in 21 century?
with north korean?
That's right
good luck, haha
07:19
you sure @O0oO0oOO0ooO ?
Yeah I'm sure
Mr.king is looks like children
100% certain man
it's Kim Jong i want to say
07:32
I just had chineese food yesterday but not this one! Whats that black one, soup or sweet
looks like noodle
what's that?
being chineese you should know @DarkHorse
That makes me more shame in that as a chinese
I am sorry!
I really don't konw what's that in picture
07:35
I didn't mean that
You know there are different types of Chinese food depending on your location? It's a Korean variety of Chinese food. In Australia, Chinese food looks more like this
Which is same in US too
Indeedly it looks like some noodle I have eat
@DarkHorse I hardly believe you can find it in China unless you go to Korean-Chinese food restaurant in China.
I would like to immigrant when I have the ability to speak influent english
You do know there's no such word as indeedly right? Indeed is an adverb.
07:39
Thanks for your hint
It's like Macaroni and cheese for Korean college students
how to say that if i want to make the same meaning?
You could just say indeed or nothing at all. I would have said ...
I get it
It looks like some kind of noodle I have eaten.
07:45
Grammer is the importantest, make sure your grammers are correct.
Or noodles, maybe, not noodle.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO When a foreigner says something like that, it's sometimes hard to tell whether it's a joke or not.
Ok, I guess I shouldn't crack jokes anymore =*(
haha
@O0oO0oOO0ooO your name?
Array of Os...
someone had told me that grammer is not important to communicate with others who speak english well
07:50
@DarkHorse Somebody was wrong.
are you native from US?
@DavidWallace
@DarkHorse That someone is definitely wrong.
@DarkHorse I am a native speaker of English, but I am not American.
Interesting
07:54
I want to kill myself as one had study English for seven years in university
but now I feel so difficult to speak it
@DarkHorse My lifetime lesson is that we should never underestimate ourselves whatever the circumstances may be!
Hope this helps you!
yeah, I appreciate it
hope is a good thing, this sentence is my favorite comes from the movie of The Shawshank Redemption
Yes, hope drives our lives..
You shouldn't learn English if it's like torture for you. I think learning English shouldn't strictly about English but about literature. I personally find it interesting to learn how to learn a language.
I just want to initiate a site where people talk to each other in english and improve their communicaiton skills (unlike chating). Any such site?
08:02
As a programmer There is no more time to read literature
Do you mean you want to a develop a website?
You are speaking in such site right now @udaysagar
Yes! exactly
I mean talking via microphone
@DarkHorse
I expect that @udaysagar
I donno whether that leads to datings.......
haha
08:05
that will be more better if have affect on leading people to datings
I don't like that idea
or may be leading people to date with third person
@udaysagar Have you looked at englishforums.com? You can talk there either by typing, or by recording your voice.
seeing for the first time @DavidWallace
will peep into that later. Thanks
Lunch time Guys
Will be back in 40-50 mins
What's the usage for englishforums @DavidWallace
08:08
See you!
@udaysagar Bye
@DarkHorse It's a question and answer site, similar in some ways to ELU, but different types of question are acceptable.
For example, there are many proofreading questions, which are unacceptable here.
Just get an US girlfriend!
I see, It seems to cover broad topics in life not only in IT
It's also a bit more sociable than here; it has a sort of facebook feel to it. People post random photos, and you can follow people, and so on.
I love Asian women
That's a good place to study spoken English, I have flag it
08:15
flag it?
@DarkHorse I assumed from your avatar that you WERE an Asian woman.
put into my favorite web sit collection
haha @DavidWallace
@DarkHorse No, seriously. My avatar is me. Why would anyone use an avatar that is somebody else?
By the way, you should try to involve in different types of environments than just Internet (especially just Facebook). Amount of of vocabularies or phrases you use in this environment is quite limited. I highly assume you will never see anyone ordering a steak on Internet forum, so how are you going to study all these different types of communication?
my avatar is only a girl of my appreciate
so your suggestion is what? @O0oO0oOO0ooO
08:20
I think the best of the best is going abroad, if not study toward an English exam like TOEIC. These English exams cover wide range of English usage
I am viewing at <<friends>>
It's not the time to go abroad
I will do my best to promote my english through limited resource
"
I will do my best to promote my english through limited resource"?
It's hard to see?
A better word than "promote" would be "improve".
I will do my best to improve my English, despite my limited resources.
ok, just out of my words
You just took the words right out of my mouth
I have a question, which tool you are using for chat with others?
@O0oO0oOO0ooO @DavidWallace
In China people usually use QQ
or MSN sometimes
 
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10:19
@DarkHorse I have no friends so I have no idea about them =(
dude, whats the time there at korea?
Err 7:26 afternoon
What time is it in India?
10:39
uh
Now it's 7:43
here, its 4:15 pm
is that am or pm
In the afternoon
So P.M.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO what's your company if you don't mind me asking
or you are still a student?
10:53
I'm going to freaking army soon =D... So military is going to be my employer
Marine Corp!
haha
i think you get a good taste of military wine there....
:-)
haha is the sound of laugh?

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