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00:00
Oh, the 10th. Never mind.
Same as mum's.
And I'm off.
See you!
If you got Nikola,
dang. Joke will have to wait.
If you got Nikola, Madeleine L'Engle, and Maurits Escher in the same room, what would you have?
A Tesla, a Tesseract, and a Tesselator.
runs
@MετάEd rofl
bai
Nikola™: isn’t that some sort of cough drop?
Today I learned that Surf de Soleil is the name of . . . .
Guess. No googling!
00:17
@tchrist Some kind of band?
00:33
Aye
01:17
Ah, the Fake Politeness motif rears it obsequious head again:
Right. That’s why you see all those Asian web pages with their Please Submit and Please Enter and Please Save Edits and Please Cancel and Please Send and Please Contact Us and Please Mail and Please About and Please OK and Please Yourself buttons. :) — tchrist 3 mins ago
Well, on Oriental Massage websites at least.
01:36
NS just can’t keep his tells to himself:
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Q: What is the difference between "in times of" and "in time of"

azhiAll the two phrases, "in time of" and " in times of" are in use in Internet. Actually I can not distinguish them correctly. Here are some examples I have come across. 1. How did Hawkwood make money in times of peace? In New Concept English, Vol 3, Lesson 14. 2. A PRAYER IN TIME of TROUBLE, w...

Legolads!
Well, or lasses.
Ok, just Dwarves and Hobbits, but still, they’re Legotic.
2.6 million 1x1 bricks.
02:42
Where are our charming ladies tonight?
Present company excepted, @Caprica et alia.
I am looking at this object on Ebay located in "defeault, defeault, UK", from a seller whose address is in France, and the return policy is in Spanish.
Well, you kinda do.
You have spideysenses, and we need flags.
Well, and closevotes for now.
Oh, and the sky is clearly lighting up again.
Green?
I hear they have green skies above the North Sea.
02:54
Greenish blue, perhaps.
I think they call them northdawns or something.
But I'm looking at the east.
Well, I’m sure there are people to the south of your aurorae.
I think that probably comes to Holland.
It’s today’s forecast.
Well, or tonight’s.
What is it?
The northdawns.
02:57
And they "come"?
They do.
They extend downwards from the borealities.
Looks like they’re coming down to around 57 degrees tonight.
At least, up there.
I think they might be more attracted to your part of the world.
A lot of people are.
A lot of people are attracted to my part of the world?
Clearly.
That’s why you have so many people there.
Less than in China.
Have you ever been to China?
03:01
I have been using the Norwegian weather forecast, for some reason. But it predicts higher temperatures for tomorrow, so I'll switch to "World Weather Online", which predicts lower temperatures. It looks much better.
No, I have not been to China. You?
No: it’s not very attractive, eh?
The Norwegs know northdawns, I’ll give you that.
It would be interesting.
But the cities are so extraordinarily polluted...
And they've destroyed so much culture already...
Greek culture is much more popular these days.
It’s in all our grocery stores now.
The στραγγιστό γιαούρτι is very well cultured.
It’s like, a fad.
Who would buy a brand named “Oikos”, pig farmers?
An oikos (ancient Greek: , plural: ; English prefix: eco- for ecology and economics) is the ancient Greek equivalent of a household, house, or family. An oikos was the basic unit of society in most Greek city-states, and included the head of the oikos (usually the oldest male), his extended family (wife and children), and slaves living together in one domestic setting. Large oikoi also had farms that were usually tended by the slaves, which were also the basic agricultural unit of the ancient economy. The Greek oikos differed significantly from the Roman domus in architectural layout, a...
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yeah, permaglue I reckon.
Strained yogurt, yogurt cheese, labneh, or Greek yogurt is yogurt which has been strained in a cloth or paper bag or filter to remove the whey, giving a consistency between that of yogurt and cheese, while preserving yogurt's distinctive sour taste. Like many yogurts, strained yogurt is often made from milk which has been enriched by boiling off some of the water content, or by adding extra butterfat and powdered milk. However most strained yogurt have no added fats and are made of real milk. Yogurt strained through muslin is a traditional food in the Levant, Eastern Mediterranean, Nea...
> Strained yogurt is called jocoque in Mexico. It was popularised by local producers of Lebanese origin and is widely popular in the country. The name jocoque is Nahuatl, and is also used for an indigenous cultured milk product similar to labneh.
03:19
What's new about Greek yoghurt?
And what's wrong with oikos?
Would you buy this?
Pigs say oink, so it looks like it’s made from pig milk. Do you drink pig milk? I don’t think so.
@Cerberus No.
Why not?
What in the world would I use it for?
@tchrist I don't know why oikos would make you think of oink, but OK.
@tchrist To charge portable devices, like laptops, phones, basically anything.
Because as a kid, we called pigs oinkos and dogs bowwows and such.
03:23
Ah.
I'm not sure what pigs say here.
Papers, bitte.
Sorry, bad cop joke.
So you don't use laptops or phones or Tomtoms or tablets or anything?
I have a little phone.
It’s a phone, not a “phone”.
03:25
It would be nice if you could charge it afield...
I often leave it at home.
Is that your only portable device? No laptop? No Tomtom?
It’s not something I carry around with me all the time.
What’s a Tomtom?
I could carry my computer around with me I guess, but that seems way too much trouble. No thank you.
A little screen used for navigation, mainly in cars.
I seem to recall your chatting with me when you were at the airport.
Yes, I was going on a trip.
I also had a suitcase with me.
03:27
What if your battery is empty?
That doesn’t mean I enjoy carrying it around with me.
If my battery is empty, I don’t use it. I don’t care much.
Then why bring your laptop at all?
Oh, I plug it in at my parents’.
It’s just a computer.
It isn’t an accessory.
It’s way too heavy to carry around routinely. That would be crazy.
I never take a laptop anywhere.
I don't see the point either.
Exactly.
03:28
But that's also because I have my phone.
And how about a portable music player?
Portable radio?
Gosh no, that would annoy the fuck out of me.
I can’t stand noise.
Speakers? Headphones?
No, I don’t like all that sound.
I don’t want music going on.
I can’t think.
Okay.
It usurps my speech centers.
I have to listen to it.
Which is fine, but this ubiquitous music thing drives me nuts. I hate it.
03:30
Do you need to think when you're walking around town, waiting for someone, whatever...?
I would never ever ever want to have my brain usurped then!
I’m outside!
I listen to music now and then when I'm bored.
If I wanted that noise, I would go into a noise chamber.
And at home.
At home, I have my stereo.
03:31
Beethoven is not that noisy...
But I don’t want to listen to music all the time.
I cannot understand people who do.
But occasionally?
I have my stereo at home.
When you're bored or frustrated and away from home?
Then music will not help that.
03:32
It helps many people...
But I have to go, it's shower time.
Walking and headphones don’t mix.
It’s illegal on a bike.
It should be illegal on foot: too many accidents waiting to happen.
Pay attention around you.
Sitting in a train, in a waiting room?
Hate noise.
I carry earplugs in my pocket every day of my life.
I’m not kidding you.
You can listen to the same music as at home...
@Cerberus It’s just too weird for me.
I don’t carry around gadgets.
Just more stuff to lose or break and get stolen. Too much fuss.
03:35
All right.
Well, a device that can play music is very cheap.
And I leave my phone at home a lot because I don’t want to be bothered.
I’d prefer my pocket phone were outbound only, but people learn its number.
And they call it. And text it.
An MP3 player is € 10.
And apparently sell its number to spammers.
But why would I want one?
Then set it to silent.
Then I would need MP3s.
I don’t have any MP3s.
03:37
You can download Beethoven everywhere for free.
All my files are of course in OGG format.
And you can convert OGGs.
So much bother for a stupid little gadget.
But anyway, you don't want it.
I must now to the shower, adieu.
I just don’t like constant noise.
See, tolja.
Night clouds or noctilucent clouds are tenuous cloud-like phenomena that are the "ragged-edge" of a much brighter and pervasive polar cloud layer called polar mesospheric clouds in the upper atmosphere, visible in a deep twilight. They are made of crystals of water ice. Noctilucent roughly means night shining in Latin. They are most commonly observed in the summer months at latitudes between 50° and 70° north and south of the equator. They can only be observed when the Sun is below the horizon. They are the highest clouds in Earth's atmosphere, located in the mesosphere at altitudes of a...
That must be it.
 
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07:03
Guys, is usage of "get" or "got" usually considered as informal? For example in the following sentence "By the time I got to the station, train had already departed", should I incorporate "arrived" and say "By the time I arrived at the station, train had already departed" to make it sound more formal?
I asked this question because when every time I use "get" in a sentence, it sounds like spoken English
@O0oO0oOO0ooO Yes, in a book or in a formal writing you would see something like "arrive" or other word instead of "get".
do you know any other words that are similar cases?
I got a feeling, I experienceda feeling
experienced
a feeling
07:19
hmm right
Thanks
By the way, I noticed from some English speakers, especially rappers, repeatedly say "You know what I am saying" while they are speaking and "right" when they are listening. Why would they do this, despite of I obviously can understand everything they say?
aha
Hmm, I think "Do you know what I am saying" is grammatically wrong because the speaker already finished delivering his/her statement so it must be "Do you know what I said?"
Do you know what I am saying?
 
2 hours later…
09:47
Hi everyone, I have a question about English culture and I thought you guys could help. Why were there exactly 103 cannon shots for the new Royal baby? Is he the 103th member of the royal family? Is it juste a tradition? If so, where does it come from? Thanks
 
1 hour later…
11:08
:This article is about the cannon salute. For the three-shot rifle salute given at military and law enforcement funerals, see Three-volley salute. Gun salutes are the firing of cannons or firearms as a military honor. The custom stems from naval tradition, where a warship would fire its cannons harmlessly out to sea, until all ammunition was spent, to show that it was disarmed, signifying the lack of hostile intent. As naval customs evolved, 21 guns came to be fired for heads of state, with the number decreasing with the rank of the recipient of the honor. While the 21-gun salute is th...
It depends on where the salute is shot off.
> First to receive the limited-edition silver penny were Marc and Beverley Miell, who gave birth to Adam Michael at 4:34 p.m. on Monday, just 10 minutes after the prince was born.
Jez
Jez
11:53
Would yous call this a fragment?:
> If the status is Unlocked, the main assessment for that event may be started by any user who has been marked in the users register as having attended the event.
MS Word claims it is
MS Word has its head up its ass. Turn off the grammar checker. You will live a longer, happier, and more productive life.
@KitFox so it was triplets and a couple of birthdays?
Jez
Jez
@Robusto my question stands, aware as I am of those facts
My answer stands.
Jez
Jez
we had a kitty reunion in my street last night. i saw at least 4 cats hanging around
they're always so attentive, constantly looking out for any sound or movement
12:03
If I have to spell it out for you, "MS Word has its head up its ass" means MS Word's grammar checker is wrong. The text is not a sentence fragment. But thanks for being so unpleasant about the help I offered you.
Jez
Jez
what? i wasn't intending to be unpleasant.
i didn't say "shut up you moron"
the eggshells, they are hard to walk on
I gave you an answer. You dismissed it. That is unpleasant.
Jez
Jez
i did not dismiss it
i acknowledged that i was aware of it and that i was still asking for further answer(s)
You said your question stands. That is a dismissal and a rebuke.
It's not a fragment. There's nothing else to say on the matter.
12:06
Anyway, I won't make the same mistake again.
Jez
Jez
@Robusto no it is not
i don't know where you get that idea
And MS Word sucks the monkey at identifying sentence fragments.
From understanding and using English.
(Forgive me for saying there was nothing else to say, then saying something else)
Jez
Jez
I mean if I ask, "How old is Britney Spears" and someone replies "she is ugly", I can say that "my question stands" because i don't think it was answered
that is in no way a rebuke
12:08
@Jez So you think my answer that MS word has its head up its ass in that particular matter, then expanding on that thought about Word's general unworthiness, is a non-answer?
Jez
Jez
yeah. MS Word's crappiness isn't a direct answer to whether the sentence is a fragment.
Well, good luck to you if you can't understand nuance.
Jez
Jez
i could have inferred that from your answer, but i chose not to
In other words, you were being a dick about it. I, on the other hand, was just trying to help. But as I say, I won't make that mistake with you again.
Jez
Jez
take a chill pill.
12:13
1 hour ago, by KitFox
It depends on where the salute is shot off.
Keep your cliches, I don't need them.
Jez
Jez
now who's being a dick? :-)
You, as always.
The sentence is missing an apostrophe.
But it isn't a fragment.
Jez
Jez
@KitFox I take it you're referring to "users register"
12:15
I was also being generous in not nit-picking the apostrophe.
Jez
Jez
nah, i've decided not to put an apostrophe in there
sighs
Jez
Jez
I can't decide whether it should be user's or users'
Then what's it matter if it's a fragment or not?
Jez
Jez
and then, it could just be that "users" is being used adjectivally
as in, "a register to do with users"
in which case there is to be no apostrophe
12:16
Then it would be singular.
The user register.
Jez
Jez
really? but it concerns multiple users
what about those "people carrier" cars?
I'd suggest "user's register."
Jez
Jez
@KitFox that feels to me like a register concerning a single user
My vote is for users'.
@Jez It is, in that instance, innit?
Jez
Jez
12:18
if i were going to insert an apostrophe, that's where i'd put it
@KitFox no; it's a register with a bunch of users on it. a list of users registered for an event.
> If the status is Unlocked, the main assessment for that event may be started by any user who has been marked in the register as having attended the event.
ftfy
Jez
Jez
except that hitherto I have referred to it as the users register
Well. It's not a fragment.
Jez
Jez
i thought not. just curious as to why Word thought it was.
@DavidWallace Better than saying that there's more to say then...
12:20
Good night everyone.
@Jez Because Word sucks ass.
Jez
Jez
anyway, on the scale of irritatingness, missing out an apostrophe ranks way below "your" for "you're", and I never do that
@Jez Well, that's a different question and in that case my answer is specifically responsive.
@Jez my vote is to put in an apostrophe -somewhere- and see if that helps. You know, defensive programming.
Jez
Jez
12:22
@Mitch as I said, my usage is correct if "users" is being used adjectivally
Register of users, user register.
@KitFox Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Jez
Jez
or, as my dad said once, "in the ablative sense" (not sure that's a valid grammatical term in English)
@MετάEd Right, if that's your thing and it's consensual.
Jez
Jez
@KitFox so how do you explain "people carrier"
12:23
@Jez shrugs
How do you explain "dog carrier"?
Jez
Jez
it carries one dog?
i might well refer to a carrier of multiple dogs as a "dogs carrier"
flower bouquet?
Jez
Jez
well that's just illogical :-)
grocery basket?
@Jez That's why I said defensive. 'users' without apostrophe might work (the plural 'users' used as a noun modifier). But maybe MSWord can't deal with that either and you're getting an error because it went down the wrong path based on users.
Jez
Jez
12:25
@Mitch oh well.
oh, and "mothers day" :-)
but I think Kit's point should be taken, one usually uses the singular for the noun modifier.
bus stop
HAMMERTIME!
taxi stand
umbrella stand, for that matter.
THanks Assprica for the suggestion. Yes, -Hammers time-.
Jez
Jez
12:26
Dead Poets Society
There are bucketloads of related questions on EL&U.
Bucketsloads.
Jez
Jez
the fact is that the plural noun can be used adjectivally if it just sounds OK
and ditto for the singular
Sure. I agree.
@Mitch no no, not Hammers Time, You're thinking of the guy who used to work with Rodgers
Jez
Jez
users register, a register to do with users
12:27
I think "users register" looks like a mistake, and I read it that way.
Jez
Jez
sounds OK to me, so.
But I'm not your audience, so it doesn't matter.
It's not a fragment.
Jez
Jez
ok
@Jez did you try successively pruning constituents until there is no error?
Jez
Jez
@Mitch no, i couldn't be bothered. i'm moving on in my documentation proofreading
12:29
But...
@MattЭллен No, no, not Hammerstein. You're thinking of that guy who had a fight with Dershowitz.
> the main assessment for that event may be started by any user who has been marked in the users register as having attended the event.
> the main assessment for that event may be started by any user
> the assessment for that event may be started
@KitFox hint please...a fist fight? a verbal exchange? shots fired?
At the request of one of our members, I’ve just created a checklist cheatsheet with dozens of Norton “tells” and hundreds of examples. I will not post it publicly, but if you are a member I know and trust, send me email and I will send it to you.
@KitFox No no, not Finkelstein. You're thinking of the guy who built the monster
That easy... "what's the difference between 'in the ...' and on the...'?"
12:34
Yokay.
@tchrist You were wrong about the last one though.
@MattЭллен No no not Frankensteen, you mean that senator from Minnesota who used to be a comedian.
@tchrist It's too easy.
@KitFox Yeah, I know. That’s why I went back to gather a set of good tells. I’m still wondering about ghul.
Our spammer evolves. His style changes with time, but he gets in ruts. If you look at the past year, you can see this. Some things never change though.
@KitFox: Calls from other rooms.
12:38
The thing is that ghul is too old to be our spammer. Has a few questions in a long time.
Username fits, etc, but that's all. So it takes multiple traits.
Plus ghul has an FLU account, so can’t be the spammer. Questions are kinda like his though.
I wish he would just use an icon that has oh I dunno barnyard fowl in it, so that we could see him every time.
I have to run. But before I go, @Reg and I were discussing trains the other day, and I tried out a little prototype on my dining room table:
does it keep to the timetable?
@MattЭллен Yes, but it’s scaled down.
Train time is any time.
Eep!
I need those!
12:43
@KitFox yes. you do.
but I gotta run. bye
bye!
CU
@tchrist so long as it's on time, I don't mind
coughs royal baby coughs
who're you callin'... oh, right. The new born from Kate
I’ve got like 150 NS flags in my history. It’s really easy to read the deleted posts and get a feel for him.
@MattЭллен Doubtless yclept Æthelstan or Canute.
12:47
doubtless indeed
Or maybe Joshua or Noah or Elijah?
Gabriel is in, too.
Ezekiel could work.
is there a male form of Diana?
Dean?
Apollo.
Dion
Daniel.
12:49
King Apollo sounds pretty awesome. If they call him Apollo I'll want to see him become king :D
They ought to go with Tyrone Rex.
That would be awesome.
Also, confusing.
I was just going to say Tyrone!
Leroy.
That would also be appropriate.
King Theking.
Lemar. Deshawn. Jevon. Jaleel. Shamar. Devonte. Tupac.
12:53
Xiaohong.
Anli.
My money's on Richard. Not had a Richard in a while.
Richard "Red Bull" Cambridge.
I'll tell you a good cure for concentration - have people build an office right behind you
*sponsored by Red Bull. It gives you wings.
12:57
That sounds pretty good.
Prince Red Bull. That ought to be Harry, though, since he's ginger.
yeah. we'll just have to make it a popular nickname
Udonavan. Rymone. Donjae. Jamal. Aaron-Ray. Veshone. Bayden. Jasen. Ceasel. Jeofrei. Najeem. Quandell. Requan. Jaquel. Darkeen. Kamar. Dashonte. Kaylon. Shovon.
King Zohn.
King John's off the starbord bow!
@tchrist You're repeating yourself now.

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