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tchrist

21:05

@Cerberus At my followup with the GP today for much the same odd phenomenon he told me that there's some covid- or flu-like bug that has sprung up rapidly in the community over the past month which none of their fancy tests can get a handle on. It's a mystery bug.

By day I think mine is long over with but by night I wonder.

alphabet

@Cerberus Hope you feel better!

Cerberus

21:44

@tchrist "Or" and "like"? Most odd.

@alphabet A bit!

@tchrist So you had this too, when was it?

Robusto

@tchrist I had something like that in the spring of '20. It just wouldn't go away. I felt good in the morning, but by late afternoon I was definitely sick again. I finally got a regimen of antibiotics and it went away. But nobody could tell me what it was.

tchrist

@Cerberus It hit me hard suddenly around 5pm MDT Sunday August 18th.

@Robusto Long simmering bacterial deep sinus infection?

But the hit-me-hard-suddenly thing is not a sinus infection symptom.

I might have had more than one thing. I don't know.

Robusto

@tchrist Dunno.

Mine manifested as a cough and high heart rate.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm very specific.

I could feel mine creeping.

One day, I felt more mucosa in my throat than usual, but nothing obvious.

The next day, a little but more.

The third day clearly a cold.

Etc.

tchrist

@Robusto YES! The high heart rate is very creepy. It's in control again now, or at least was at my followup this morning, back at 62.

Cerberus

21:52

The flu normally sets on suddenly, or so they say.

tchrist

@Cerberus That's why we were all sure it was either covid or the flu. Not just me but the doctors.

Cerberus

@Robusto Hmm my friend with 'long covid' also gets a very high heart rate whenever he does anything.

Robusto

@Cerberus I haven't had the flu in years. But when I did I would wake up feeling like I'd been beaten with a chain.

Cerberus

@tchrist Corona can also begin suddenly?

tchrist

@Cerberus Somewhat.

Robusto

21:54

@Cerberus Mine's fine now, though. RHR is in the low 50s, going down into the 40s during sleep.

Cerberus

@Robusto I would feel super weak and shivering in a short time span, then turbulent sleep, and what you describe.

Robusto

Ugh.

The chills/burning temperature flux is another horror besides the muscle and bone pain.

Cerberus

It is a bit debilitating.

Bone pain sounds bad, I've never had that.

tchrist

@Robusto Mine is always in the low 60s unless exercising, or sometimes high 50s when I first awaken. I don't wear an overnight monitor so I don't know if it gets below that.

So not being able to get it below 90 freaked me out.

Body was working overtime on something.

Robusto

@tchrist Yes. Mine would be in the mid 90s when lying in bed. And if I tried to go for even a short, mild bike ride it would shoot up to 150.

tchrist

21:59

My BP shot up to 155/90 as well while this was happening. That's just terrible. It's all back normal again like 110/60 but while the sickness was on me I felt at risk.

Robusto

That was my thyroid, though, which they said was thyroiditis. Which two years later became cancer, and so now I only have half a thyroid. And have to take levothyroxin every day.

tchrist

It's nice to be able to use numbers that make sense to Cerb. :)

Well, pulse. BP not. Sorry.

Robusto

What, you don't have a metric heart rate? ^_^

tchrist

Not willingly.

We use millimeters of mercury for blood pressure here. There I think they use kilometers of nitrogen or something.

Cerberus

Oh, you couldn't count your heart rate in bits of 12 or 16?

tchrist

22:01

I prefer to count it at one per second.

Cerberus

Not what I expected of you!

And why do you even have seconds.

They didn't have those in the Middle Ages, did they.

tchrist

Oh I think they measure it in kiloparsecs. It says KPa.

@Cerberus They did not.

Cerberus

Pa is Pascal?

But isn't that an outdated measurement?

Isn't pressure in N/m² or something?

tchrist

I'm at only 80% of normal sea level pressure. But my BP does not vary.

Cerberus

> The unit, named after Blaise Pascal, is an SI coherent derived unit defined as one newton per square metre (N/m²).

I figured it was something like that.

tchrist

22:05

> In medicine, blood pressure is measured in millimeters of mercury (mmHg,
very close to one Torr). The normal adult blood pressure is less than
120 mmHg systolic BP (SBP) and less than 80 mmHg diastolic BP (DBP).[16]
Convert mmHg to SI units as follows: 1 mmHg = 0.13332 kPa. Hence normal
blood pressure in SI units is less than 16.0 kPa SBP and less than 10.7
kPa DBP. These values are similar to the pressure of water column of
average human height; so pressure has to be measured on arm roughly at

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, you feel so elevated above the lower classes.

"Sea level", how common.

tchrist

Millimeter isn't metric enough for them? WTF?

Cerberus

Millimetres dependent on some arbitrarily sized instrument...

Millimetres not indicating distance...

tchrist

> It is measured in millimeters of mercury (mmHg) above the surrounding atmospheric pressure, or in kilopascals (kPa).

Cerberus

Pressure is not an horizontal line.

tchrist

22:10

If I'm forced to use minimeters then that's metric.

Cerberus

Nope!

tchrist

Sure it is.

Otherwise it would be in inches or yards or something. :)

Cerberus

There are a lot of things which are not according to the metric system.

Not all of them are in Mediaeval measurements.

Or Ancient.

tchrist

Pretty sure that millimeters is only metric.

Cerberus

Nope!

tchrist

22:13

After all, it's not millimeters from the top of the current king's nose.

Cerberus

Anything that is used in a contingent manner is not part of the metric system.

tchrist

??

Dannyu NDos

It's US' fault that SI still hasn't taken over the entire world.

Cerberus

And also Burma's, right?

Dannyu NDos

And Liberia's.

jlliagre

22:14

Blame the Liburmarians.

tchrist

Perhaps we are not using the same words the same way.

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist If millimeters isn't tiny enough to you, try micrometers.

tchrist

"metric" and "SI" are not the same.

@DannyuNDos Why the hell would we care? We're 330 million strong and we don't need to travel overseas.

Criggie

not with Boeing aircrafts you won't be

Cerberus

Then what does metric mean?

Criggie

22:17

@jlliagre sorry couldn't resist

Cerberus

@Criggie Ouch!

tchrist

> An actual mercury column reading may be converted to more fundamental units of pressure by multiplying the difference in height between two mercury levels by the density of mercury and the local gravitational acceleration. Because the specific weight of mercury depends on temperature and surface gravity, both of which vary with local conditions, specific standard values for these two parameters were adopted.

@Cerberus Using a metric prefix on a metric unit is metric. QED.

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist Oh, you once lost a rocket because you mixed imperial and metric, didn't ya?

tchrist

WE DON'T USE FUCKING IMPERIAL

Cerberus

Honestly, I think numeral systems are such a wholesome topic to have fierce discussions about.

tchrist

22:18

Stop calling it that. It's offensive to us.

Dannyu NDos

@Cerberus You mean numeral systems?

Cerberus

@tchrist Ouch ouch!

@DannyuNDos Right!

Dannyu NDos

Then this might interest you:

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Q: Calculate NDos-size of given integer

Objective Given a nonnegative integer, calculate its NDos-size as defined below, and output it. NDos' numeral system The concept of NDos-size comes from the numeral system I made. It represents every nonnegative integer by a nested list, as follows: With the binary expansion of given nonnegative...

Cerberus

I may look at it later.

Dannyu NDos

Thanks.

tchrist

22:23

We had a revolution about this you know.

To get rid of the damned British Empire.

To call the United States customary systems of measurement "imperial" is telling us we are really still subjects of his imperial majesty. We don't like that idea.

Imperial and US customary measurement systems

The imperial and US customary measurement systems are both derived from an earlier English system of measurement which in turn can be traced back to Ancient Roman units of measurement, and Carolingian and Saxon units of measure. The US Customary system of units was developed and used in the United States after the American Revolution, based on a subset of the English units used in the Thirteen Colonies; it is the predominant system of units in the United States and in U.S. territories (except for Puerto Rico and Guam, where the metric system, which was introduced when both territories were Spanish...

Comparison of the imperial and US customary measurement systems

Both the British imperial measurement system and United States customary systems of measurement derive from earlier English unit systems used prior to 1824 that were the result of a combination of the local Anglo-Saxon units inherited from Germanic tribes and Roman units. Having this shared heritage, the two systems are quite similar, but there are differences. The US customary system is based on English systems of the 18th century, while the imperial system was defined in 1824, almost a half-century after American independence. == Volume == Volume may be measured either in terms of units of cubic...

If you think they're the same, I'd be glad to sell you a gallon of gas.

> After the United States Declaration of Independence the units of measurement in the United States developed into what is now known as customary units. The United Kingdom overhauled its system of measurement in 1826, when it introduced the imperial system of units.

That's theirs. We're not British.

Cerberus

@tchrist At least it is better than English, isn't it?

Besides, the Empire is no more. So its name could not bewitch you no more.

tchrist

The imperial system was created 50 years after we revolted.

We do not use it.

It is true that we normally call our native units "English" units. The opposite being foreign.

Cerberus

So you are still under the English king.

Once more, I should say.

tchrist

When you get to choose a measurement system, the choices are either "English" or its opposite "metric" ("métrique" au Canada).

You will never convince anybody by telling them they must cast aside their own words for foreign ones.

So long as it's us vs them, we will always choose us. Anybody will.

Being forced to do things is not going to make people happy.

And framing the discourse as an ours-vs-foreign dooms that argument.

That's why it doesn't work here.

It feels like bureaucratic nonsense imposed on you from some overseas idiots who don't even speak your language.

If you want to win anyone over, you have to change how you frame this.

I notice the English are not replacing their speed limits.

Funny thing that.

If you said "local" vs "standard", it would change everything. But you don't. The dialogue is English/native/familiar/comfortable vs metric/foreign/exotic/unfamiliar.

So it will always lose.

Dannyu NDos

22:39

At least neither °C nor °F is an SI unit.

Kelvin is.

Cerberus

tchrist

Tiny countries with many neighbors where people are always running around between them cannot imagine what it is like to live in a giant country where most people never need to travel overseas for anything, nor learn a new system or language.

Cerberus

India and China are much bigger.

Dannyu NDos

And Russia is even bigger.

tchrist

You two aren't using "bigger" the same way as each other, are you?

Criggie

22:44

Metric has the advantage of fewer names, there's that and "Systeme Internationalle" or SI for short.

Vs. Imperial / English / fractions / Standard / SAE / king's thumb / barleycorns etc etc

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist Yeah, I guess so...

tchrist

@Criggie You completely reversed what I was saying. "Standard" vs "local" is how to reframe "English" vs "metric" if you expect to win anybody over.

But you swapped the two.

Local=English
Standard=Metric

Cerberus

Win over...

tchrist

That would be, if not a winning argument, a more productive one.

Cerberus

Once the SI's gunboats arrive, there won't be any need for that.

tchrist

22:46

@Cerberus You can't put the pronoun between those in your idiolect? Interesting.

Cerberus

I wasn't questioning the syntax, just the semantics.

tchrist

The problem with SI is that it is backwards for English word order.

SI = Système international d'unités

We don't speak French.

For certain peculiar values of "we".

Cerberus

You will once the boats arrive!

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist So you're not gonna obey ISO either?

tchrist

First you need to rename SI to IS or ISU or something that is actual English.

Stop forcing us to speak foreign.

jlliagre

22:49

@tchrist That's not that specific to Americans. Nobody wants to change their habits. Such deep changes like everyday's units do not happen overnight. Jules Verne, born 30 years after the metric system was decided in France was still mixing old and new units in his books. My mother buying fruits was asking for say "trois livres de pommes" (three pounds of apple) instead of "un kilo et demi".

La ligne = 12 points = 2.256 mm
Le pouce = 12 lignes = 27 mm (25.4 mm au Royaume-Uni)
Le pied (pied-de-roi) = 12 pouces = 325 mm
La toise = 6 pieds = 1.949 m
La paume = 36 lignes = 3 pouces = 81 mm
La coudée = 216 lignes = 6 paumes = 486 mm
La lieue = 2283 toises = 4.444 km
La lieue kilométrique = 4 km
L’aune = 1.188 m (à Paris)

tchrist

@DannyuNDos What's the problem with the International Standards Organization?

Dannyu NDos

Nvm

Cerberus

Yeah people still use pounds and ounces at the butcher's here, or some people do.

Criggie

Wait till you start having to tell grandparents about newborn baby's weights

tchrist

You mostly have to make people die first.

Make time for them to all die.

Dannyu NDos

22:51

I am proud of South Korea dropping traditional units and adopting the metric.

Cerberus

@Criggie Yeah they often still count the newborn's weight in pounds still.

jlliagre

@tchrist You don't need to, that happens naturally.

Criggie

@tchrist We call that a "five-generational change" like killing tobacco smoking in a culture.

Cerberus

@DannyuNDos Of course it is objectively better.

tchrist

@Criggie New one on me, but I see what you mean.

But then, I've never been a smoker.

Criggie

22:52

When I was a kid, macdonalds had ashtrays on each table.

tchrist

Unto the fifth generation of them that metrique not.

Criggie

Can you imagine that happening today

tchrist

I wonder if that was true for me as well. I don't know because they didn't allow chains in the poor fishing village where I was reared.

Dannyu NDos

@Criggie Wait, you mean people smoked inside?

Cerberus

I remember smoking-carriages in the train.

tchrist

22:53

@DannyuNDos U2FUKNEE

Planes, trains, and autobuses.

Criggie

@DannyuNDos See what I mean? Its not weird if you don't know, but when somethign that was "normal" comes back around, its suddenly weird.

Cerberus

I sometimes sat there because they were less crowded.

Criggie

In WW2 smoking was still allowed on allied warships (excluding magazines obvs)

Dannyu NDos

Fun fact: When I was a student in the univ, amongst people around me, about 4 out of 7 people were smokers.

tchrist

Gosh, I simply cannot remember whether there were ashtrays in fast food restaurants when I was a kld. I can't see how there wouldn't have been, but I have no memory of this.

Cerberus

22:56

@Criggie Probably drinking as well?

Criggie

No - US ships were officially "dry"

Other nations varied

I can imagine Italian ships having a sit down strike without a glass of wine with each meal

British ships had a rum ration still at that time

tchrist

@DannyuNDos Given that there is no smoking allowed anywhere inside or outside on campus here, I was surprised to learn that 15% of the students here are cigarette smokers. That's like a third or maybe a half of the pot smokers, though.

So one in six, not your four in seven.

But only about one in seven smoke pot every day or two. Most are occasional users.

Seven in ten have drunk alcohol in the past month.

Note that this is also illegal.

For most of them.

Dannyu NDos

Almost everyone here drank – No reason to refuse those parties.

tchrist

And we're considered a low-boozing campus. The national average is 80%.

@DannyuNDos Are they breaking the law there? They are here.

Dannyu NDos

My advisor was the prof who very liked to drink.

tchrist

23:08

Some there are.

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist No, there was no prohibition about drinking except in dorms.

The said prof even converted from Protestant to Catholic just for drinking.

tchrist

I'm pretty sure that there's no harmless level of smoking.

@DannyuNDos That rings a bell. Too many of them. :) Could have just become Lutheran or something. Just had to stop being Baptist etc.

Methodists drink. Baptists do not.

jlliagre

When I was a teenager, everybody was smoking cigarettes everywhere. Doctors, teachers at school, taxi drivers, restaurants, elevators, planes, trains, metro. The only place I can't think of where people weren't smoking were churches, and every soldier received 4 packs of cigarette per week for free.

tchrist

But I'm pretty sure they've determined there's also no harmless level of drinking, either.

Cerberus

@Criggie They were probably the puritanical exception...

Dannyu NDos

23:13

@tchrist I'm sure there is — I'm not gonna drink 3 bottles of soju at once anyway.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Inside classrooms?

tchrist

@DannyuNDos You don't have Asian Alcohol Intolerance? I work with many East Asians who have that. They don't never drink, but with two drinks they're really super red etc. I guess it's as frequent as a third or even two fifths of the populate.

Cerberus

@tchrist They have.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Yes, I remember an history/geography teacher of mine who was smoking a pipe.

tchrist

> Alcohol intolerance occurs when your body doesn't have the proper enzymes to break down (metabolize) the toxins in alcohol. This is caused by inherited (genetic) traits most often found in Asians.

@jlliagre I think professors could smoke pipes in their own offices when I was at school.

Alcohol flush reaction

Alcohol flush reaction is a condition in which a person develops flushes or blotches associated with erythema on the face, neck, shoulders, ears, and in some cases, the entire body after consuming alcoholic beverages. The reaction is the result of an accumulation of acetaldehyde, a metabolic byproduct of the catabolic metabolism of alcohol, and is caused by an aldehyde dehydrogenase 2 deficiency. This syndrome has been associated with lower than average rates of alcoholism, possibly due to its association with adverse effects after drinking alcohol. However, it has also been associated with an...

Dannyu NDos

23:16

@tchrist I'm pretty sure they are Chineses and Japaneses. We, South Koreans, are very proud of boozes we make and drink.

tchrist

> The reaction is also termed "Asian flush" due to its frequent occurrence in East Asians, with approximately 30 to 50% of Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans showing characteristic physiological responses to drinking alcohol that includes facial flushing, nausea, headaches and a fast heart rate.

@DannyuNDos I remember that in Seoul. So much more heavy drinking than in Tokyo. But I think you still have it.

I'm pretty sure that I have that flush reaction, and that my dad did as well. And that's Scandinavia, so it's not uniquely Asian.

"I think you still have it" just means that it's also common in Koreans. Not that you do not drink.

Cerberus

@jlliagre I think ours only did it in their own offices.

Dannyu NDos

Heck, my dad is a team leader in Hite-Jinro. I inherited ½ of his genes, and thus I can drink quite much. 2 bottles of soju was the maximum I've ever drunk.

Cerberus

And of course outside like the children.

tchrist

Bottle is not métrique.

Cerberus

23:19

750 ml for wine is extremely standard.

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist 720 mL, to be exact.

Cerberus

For milk, 1 l is extremely standard.

jlliagre

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes, but he's referring to bottles of rice vodka at 80 proof, not rice wine at 6 proof. :)

Cerberus

@jlliagre Yes, sure.

But 99% of the bottles are a...bouteille.

tchrist

23:22

@Cerberus At least our quarts of milk match your liters. The Brits' don't.

Dannyu NDos

@tchrist Soju is quite diluted – 40 proof, I think.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Wine, yes.

Cerberus

@tchrist Well done.

Dannyu NDos

And a reminder to myself: Do not ever mix booze and soda.

tchrist

> Soju, a distilled Korean liquor, typically has an alcohol by volume (ABV) of 15–50%, or 32–90 proof. However, some sojus can be as low as 12–14% ABV, while others can be as high as 41% ABV. The average ABV of soju is around 20%.

Cerberus

23:22

@jlliagre Funny name for Nebukadnezar.

tchrist

> Jinro: 20–24% ABV, or 48 proof
West 32 Soju: 39.8 proof
Han Citrus Soju: 48 proof
YOBO Soju: 46 proof
Ty Ku: 48 proof

I just double or halve. I can't be horsed to do the "proper" calculation between proof and ABV.

Cerberus

What is proof?

jlliagre

Cerberus

Never mind, I could look it up.

tchrist

No, it's alcohol by weight which is hard, not by volume.

Cerberus

23:25

I would expect the proportion of alcohol by weight to be lower than by volume.

tchrist

@Cerberus It's some half-metric or double-metric measurement unit. :)

Alcohol proof

Alcohol proof (usually termed simply "proof" in relation to a beverage) is a measure of the content of ethanol (alcohol) in an alcoholic beverage. The term was originally used in England and from 1816 was equal to about 1.75 times the percentage of alcohol by volume (ABV). The United Kingdom today uses ABV instead of proof. In the United States, alcohol proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV. The definition of proof in terms of ABV varies from country to country. The measurement of alcohol content and the statement of content on bottles of alcoholic beverages is regulated by law in many...

Cerberus

Though not by that much.

Robusto

@Cerberus India has a larger population, but in real estate it's about 1/3 the size of the US.

Cerberus

@tchrist Of course the Wikipaedia article doesn't properly explain what it is in the first couple of paragraphs.

But no matter.

@Robusto What do those deserts matter?

tchrist

> proof: A standard of strength of distilled alcoholic liquors; applied to or denoting liquor of this strength; the relative strength (usually measured in...............

Dannyu NDos

23:29

I wonder what theorem that proof is for. (jk)

Robusto

@Cerberus You think India doesn't have deserts? Or China? And Russia has frozen deserts.

Cerberus

But it doesn't explain what the number actually means, how it is calculated.

tchrist

> proof: A measure of the alcohol content of liquor. Originally, in Britain, 100 proof was defined as 57.1% by volume (no longer used). In the US, 100 proof means that the alcohol content is 50% of the total volume of the liquid; thus, absolute alcohol would be 200 proof.

@Cerberus I chopped it a bit. :)

Cerberus

@Robusto Well, I don't think any of it matters anyway.

tchrist

I was unaware of its storied tanglehistory.

Robusto

23:30

I just love these arguments about measurement. Can we do colors next?

Cerberus

@tchrist An absurd measurement.

tchrist

Jul 30, 2012 at 14:12, by RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist de colores son los pajaritos que vienen de afuera.

@Cerberus Why?

Cerberus

Just use the percentage instead of using some arbitrary derived term.

tchrist

Well, by law you have to do so now.

But you don't have to not mention its proof.

> To make 50% alcohol by volume fraction, one would take 50 parts alcohol and 50 parts water, measured separately, and then mix them together. The resulting volume will not be 100 parts but between 96 and 97 parts, since the smaller water molecules can take up some of the space between the larger alcohol molecules (see volume change).

Robusto

@tchrist Hablaremos de los pájaritos a continuación.

tchrist

23:33

The imperialistas used some complicated specific gravity thing. America has always just doubled, but I had forgotten about that and remembered only the much harder lío imperialista.

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tchrist

> The proof system in the United States was established around 1848 and was based on percent alcohol rather than specific gravity. Fifty percent alcohol by volume was defined as 100 proof.

Apparently we tired of our patrones' system.

> Note that this is different from 50% volume fraction (expressed as a percentage); the latter does not take into account change in volume on mixing, whereas the former does.

MetaEd

@tchrist with IPA and water it's 15 gallons + 15 gallons make 29 gallons. big change.

tchrist

29 is the magic cribbage number.

MetaEd

I can't remember the last time I played cribbage

tchrist

23:37

Those sneaky little water molecules go into stealth mode nestled in amidst the gigantic alcohol molecules.

MetaEd

My parents had the little pegboard

tchrist

So did mine.

MetaEd

spooning

tchrist

I do, too.

Robusto

Fun fact: Netherlands is about 237 times smaller than the US.

tchrist

23:38

@MetaEd Unnatural chumminess.

MetaEd

I'm in the chemical packaging business. now I'm going to have to read the history of proof measurement!

Cerberus

@Robusto Except that you can't be times smaller than something!

tchrist

@Robusto I thought they thought they were only 18.8 times smaller than us.

Even with rounding, 237 >> 19. :)

jlliagre

@Robusto Fun fact, Canada is 1.6% larger than the US.

tchrist

I think it has to do with stacking of Dutchies.

Like the water molecules amidst the booze ones.

Robusto

23:41

tchrist

@jlliagre That's just miles versus klicks.

MetaEd

first you just have to define twice as small, to mean half as large

tchrist

If we define the US as measuring 1,000 miles across, then we can define a same-sized Canada as 1,600 klicks across with no change in breadth.

Robusto

mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/…

Cerberus

@MetaEd That would certainly be an improvement.

tchrist

23:44

333.3 / 17.7 == 18.8305084745762711864406779661016949152542372881355932203389830508474576271186440677966101694915254237....

Cerberus

We are at 18 now.

Migration.

Criggie

@Robusto There is no such thing as brown. Discuss

Robusto

@Criggie UPS is brown. Do the math.

Criggie

@Robusto No, its "dark orange"

jlliagre

tchrist

23:47

@Criggie Have you never seen a brown rainbow? :)

Those whose colors are but spectres of true reality.

Criggie

@tchrist youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU come back in 20 minutes

tchrist

If spectral colors are the only color of reality.

@Criggie Don't worry: I can teach color theory.

Criggie

20 minutes isn't up yet.

Dannyu NDos

We discussing colors now? I sometimes wish I could see IR and UV.

tchrist

Pink is not a color if brown is not a color.

HSV to the rescue.

Or B.

HSL.

RGB picks unfortunate primaries anyway, at least in Crayolese.

Cerberus

23:51

@jlliagre It all depends on how you count, though.

If, for example, you count Paris as Île de France, you need more space.

tchrist

We teach our children that the cyan sky is blue, that the white sun is yellow, that their magenta fuchsia blooms are red. It makes the Crayolas happier.

@DannyuNDos Replace your lens with one lacking a UV filter, and you can see into the near-UV down to around 320.

Dannyu NDos

Nah, that's unhealthy.

tchrist

Crioll colors.

@DannyuNDos No silly, you're sposta put it back when you're done experimenting!

Creole colors.

Crayola colors.

Crans of color.

Pretty sure that's racista.

Dannyu NDos

I mean, extra channels for IR and UV — Desirably more.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Right, it's somewhat arbitrary.

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