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5:19 PM

Word of the eve: tisane (herbal tea)

I don't know whether it's a recognizable by the common people, or some rare/quaint term

It turns out that the complete bullet, when it's unfired, is really called a cartridge

I wonder if common people really call it a cartridge. Probably "round" is more natural. But I always thought of them as bullets.

@CowperKettle I don't fully understand all these three terms. I simply call it bullet.

5:34 PM

I just added a dozen or two "military" terms to my Akni since 24 Feb 22. Like circular error probable or indirect fire

5:51 PM

@CowperKettle something I've noticed. Why do Russian men, or at least the men you post, sit like that? You know, one or both arms leaning on the table, palms facing inward as if they're trying to both express and hide body gesture?

@CowperKettle it's probably more embarrassing to be ignorant of arms jargon in America

@CowperKettle who's Bashirov?

6:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly punctuation marks in answer (35): Is there a word for a driver who changes lanes often?‭ by Ryan‭ on english.SE

7:18 PM

@CowperKettle I don't think I've ever encountered the word 'tisane' in an American English context.

In AmE you'd just call it herbal tea. If you go into a tea shop (which is an exceedingly rare specialty store in the US), they would surely be aware of the technical difference between tisane (an infusion) and whatever black tea is... see? I am having trouble with the difference though I'm sure my eyes have glanced over writing that explains it. So it is barely recognizable by even uncommon people in the US.

Your kilometerage may vary over in the UK.

7:33 PM

@Mitch Where they mete out rage by the clic.

Whether meteo or rage, buy the clinic.

I just realized two things:

1) we're just trying to write Finnegans Wake sentence by sentence.

1a) I forgot why there's no apostrophe, but there isn't.

1ai) this isn't the second thing just a comment on the first thing

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1aii) or rather '1a' is not '1ai'

1aiii) I'll stop here

From here.

@tchrist 2) You are frustrated by my seeming unfinished thoughts because:

7:45 PM

Can't breathe.

2a) I leave off periods. Full stop

Full stop the madness.

Of prairie dogs marauding.

2b) I intentionally leave things unsaid, for the purpose if creating unfulfilled anticipation

Exit, pursued by a ferret.

Every time that somebody types

a sentence that does not

2c) I unintentionally leave things unsaid, because I am multitasking (watching TV, reading my phone, working, listening to music)

7:47 PM

end with terminal punctuation they leave

me connipted and waiting for

2ci) but listening to -somebody-? Ha. No. That just doesn't happen.

Godlike finality that never arrives.

2d) I unintentionally leave things unsaid because I forgot the train of thought.

It's super super distractoflippingnoiding.

3) Some other third thing.

4) This is not really a fourth thing but more of an appendix.

Appendix) OK, you convinced me, I should make an appendix explicitly

7:49 PM

Fingernails on black boards clawing their way up from lack of finality.

The Actual Appendix) I haven't read a thing you've said since I started this outline. That's just sort of a PSA where the P is you. Kind of a YSA

FIN

It's like constant up

talk.

Get the fleck on with it already.

Be more confident. I need a falling tone.

Oh.

Don't you

Re uptalk.

7:50 PM

as well?

I don't

do it

Why do you do it here

in chat then?

In the sense of giving a question prosody to a statement.

I give the statement.

And if I want to suggest doubt, which is what uptalk generally attempts to do,

I just add "..., right?", right?

O ye children of a lesser clod, plant wisely and firmly your steps.

@tchrist Because it is easier to type a '?' than to spell out all those extra characters.

7:53 PM

? is the doncha-know emoticon.

punctuspacessationlyesterdayglowerewolfactories

oh

emoticons and emojis are hard

their semantic space is constantly changing

This is all covered by the emu conventions.

I wonder what different meanings emojis have come to have in other cultures?

@tchrist By convention, I've never convered an emu.

The emujizis loves you.

Also the emujises.

Bipondally.

But mostly just Joe.

Emu Joe and Emu Jane got together and soon had a whole nest of hatchling emujeze twitterpeeping at them.

> For sale 1981 Delorean, low miles. It’s only been driven from time to time.

8:19 PM

> the first formula for calculating the n-th decimal digit of pi (without calculating all the preceding digits) has been found by Simon Plouffe in 2022

@CowperKettle ??

There's gotta be more details than in that headline, because There's been the Borwein, Borwein, and Plouffe algorithm since the mid 1990's (it's the same Plouffe)

maybe it's 'decimal' that is new? All their (BPP) algorithms worked in hexadecimal.

> In 1975, Plouffe broke the world record for memorizing digits of π by reciting 4096 digits

@Mitch Yes

@CowperKettle link?

Simon Plouffe (born June 11, 1956) is a mathematician who discovered the Bailey–Borwein–Plouffe formula (BBP algorithm) which permits the computation of the nth binary digit of π, in 1995. His other 2022 formula allows extracting the nth digit of π in decimal. He was born in Saint-Jovite, Quebec. He co-authored The Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences, made into the web site On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences dedicated to integer sequences later in 1995. In 1975, Plouffe broke the world record for memorizing digits of π by reciting 4096 digits, a record which stood until 1977. == See also... ==

Bailey–Borwein–Plouffe formula

The Bailey–Borwein–Plouffe formula (BBP formula) is a formula for π. It was discovered in 1995 by Simon Plouffe and is named after the authors of the article in which it was published, David H. Bailey, Peter Borwein, and Plouffe. Before that, it had been published by Plouffe on his own site. The formula is π = ∑ k = 0 ∞ [ 1 16...

@CowperKettle Are you saying that that is the source of your info?

8:35 PM

Yes

Wikipedia is not exactly reliable.

HOW DARE YOU

Nor is MathWorld. (that is less publicly edited, but still). I'd want to see the published article first, or at least the arXiv preprint.

@CowperKettle haha that's -my- line!

To convert from hex to decimal -yes- you'd need all the previous digits.

This is all a mathematical curiosity of course.

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And 3.14 is hardly distinguishable from 3.13 and 3.15 by eye.

@CowperKettle mathworld.wolfram.com/Digit-ExtractionAlgorithm.html

> REFERENCES
Plouffe, S. "A Formula for the n'th Decimal Digit or Binary of pi and pi^n." https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.12601. 29 Jan 2022.

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1) It's not particularly complicated

2) but it's not obvious at all

3) but given the simpler 1995 result, this result is very plausible and probably has a similar 2 or 3 page proof.

4) It is a cool thing to know but is:

4a) not useful (calculations done with pi for engineering don't need much more than double precision)

4b) the methods used to figure out this equation don't really form a tool that is useful for discovering other quick calculation methods. (at least not so far as I know... though -that- would be cool)

1 hour later…

10:20 PM

@CowperKettle This typeface is so crap. I certainly didn't read that at first glance as “𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝒏𝐭𝐡 𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝝅, 𝐢𝐧 𝟏𝟗𝟗𝟓”. Filing off all the serafim is the devil's handiwork.

Expecting a human being to distinguish nπnπnπnπnπnπ is so asinine I can't even.

@Mitch Um, actually @Cerberus is the one who first used that line in this chat:

Mar 7, 2011 at 13:18, by Cerberus

How dare you.

I dare you to find one by you earlier than that one.

𝔪𝔦𝔪𝔦 𝔫𝔲𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔲𝔪 𝔫𝔦𝔲𝔦𝔲𝔪 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔦𝔪𝔦 𝔪𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔲𝔪 𝔫𝔦𝔪𝔦𝔲𝔪 𝔲𝔦𝔫𝔦 𝔪𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔲𝔪 𝔦𝔪𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔲𝔦 𝔲𝔦𝔲𝔦 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔦𝔪𝔲𝔪 𝔲𝔬𝔩𝔲𝔫𝔱

@tchrist It was the very least you could do.

@tchrist: I played through that piece again. It's mostly not that hard, but when it does get hard it demands a lightness of touch that can be very hard. It needs to be light all the way through, light and flowing, and that takes work.

That's a good observation.

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@tchrist Without dotted i's, it's more challenging...

10:31 PM

You can't grind your teeth, or hands. The high register parts where he bounced up an octave should be light and airy, especially when there's only one note is each hand and spaced out.

@tchrist I didn't realize that Wakeman played on the Cat Stevens track for that. Way back when I always thought, wow, Cat Stevens is one hell of a musician.

@tchrist Yes. It has to sound absolutely effortless or it will sound labored.

@Robusto Yes, it was always Wakeman's arrangement. They'd deliberately fused it with something he'd already written but hadn't published yet for the intro, transition, and end bit.

He tells the story somewhere. Lemme find that.

@jlliagre rather

Rick Wakeman Cat Stevens Story Morning Has Broken

That's him telling the story.

Remember that "Cat Stevens" is really Steve.

@jlliagre This is where we got our sounds for tasty food: num num and mmmmmm are indistinguishable in medieval calligraphy.

@tchrist Heh.

Here's his Catherine Howard:

Rick Wakeman - Catherine Howard - The Six Wives of Henry VIII - (1973) HQ

Which is what he pinched it from.

Interesting.

I'll listen to that next.

10:38 PM

@Robusto mm-hmm

@jlliagre They did often use little curls on the u/v.

That recording is a bit more approachable than the other one from the studio. Not so shimmering perhaps. And obviously a different instrument and acoustics.

And lengthen the last leg of n and m.

Catherine Howard (Live)

I really don't know what instrument he's using here.

I wonder whether it's electronic and he flips the timbres for some passages.

@tchrist No, it's just a regular piano, voiced very bright. He's just so damn good he can do amazing things with his touch.

10:50 PM

I feel that that live Catherine Howard recording really shows off his skill as a professional concert pianist of 50 years and more.

@Robusto Yes, it's the bright voicing that's throwing me.

Not your average garage-band hack.

Heh, no way.

This is a terrific recording.

Yes.

I don't know how he keeps up that kind of strength in his wrists and fingers.

Never arm-wrestle that man.

Heh, it would be dodgy just to shake hands with him.

11:06 PM

It's really nice of him to put all this great music up on Youtube for us to listen to for free.

It's so freaky that it's been FIFTY YEARS since Owner of a Lonely Heart came out.

I can't do arithmetic.

Maybe FORTY.

Still.

83 to 23

His Wives of Henry was 73, so 50 years.

His 73 record of Jane Seymour was with an immense pipe organ in a real church. But the recording tech wasn't so hot. This is better:

Rick Wakeman 2000 Part 7- Jane Seymour

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