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1:12 AM
@Mitch I deny everything!
@FaheemMitha I like coming to this room because of such references and coversations.
 
1:39 AM
@Cerberus that's the kind of thing someone would say who actually know exactly what happened in reality.
Almost as if...
Almost as if you were there.
@Robusto sounds like advice a bit scout troop leader would give
Maybe Bill Murray was an Eagle scout?
 
Not exactly there.
I dwell below.
 
It kind of bugs me that there are so many exclamation points in a purportedly (and probably) scientific article.
It's like they're talking to children.
"Isn't that amazing, kids!"
 
1:56 AM
It's amázing, you might see in Dutch newspapers.
I mean placing emphatic diacritics where none are needed.
 
Weird.
 
Also childish.
 
That too.
I could see a single exclamation point in the entire article, maybe where some incredible insight was revealed. But seven? Nah.
 
Indeed.
 
2:44 AM
> Putin Crony Drafts Russian ‘Kill List’ of Western Officials. “Those who are with us will be fine, and the rest we will kill,” said Yevgeny Satanovsky, a staunch pro-Putin propagandist, while promoting "The Satanovsky List" on Russian state television.
 
3:00 AM
I am most concerned about the promotion of Kadyrov.
Imagine his wresting power from Putin in some coup.
 
Artificial intelligence finds faster algorithms for multiplying matrices
> An artificial-intelligence approach known as AlphaTensor found exact matrix-multiplication algorithms that are more efficient than those previously known for many matrix sizes. The technique advances understanding of this fundamental operation and opens up the potential to accelerate ubiquitous computations that involve matrix multiplications.
Word of the day: virga - an observable streak or shaft of precipitation falling from a cloud that evaporates or sublimates before reaching the ground
@Cerberus Yes, that would be sad
Stalin 2.0
Silene is a genus of flowering plants in the family Caryophyllaceae. Containing nearly 900 species, it is the largest genus in the family. Common names include campion and catchfly. Many Silene species are widely distributed, particularly in the northern hemisphere. == Scientific history == Members of this genus have been the subject of research by preeminent plant ecologists, evolutionary biologists, and geneticists, including Charles Darwin, Gregor Mendel, Carl Correns, Herbert G. Baker, and Janis Antonovics. Many Silene species continue to be widely used to study systems, particularly in the...
Members of this genus have been the subject of research by preeminent plant ecologists, evolutionary biologists, and geneticists, including Charles Darwin, Gregor Mendel, Carl Correns, Herbert G. Baker, and Janis Antonovics.
> some members of the genus Silene hold the distinction of harboring the largest mitochondrial genomes ever identified
 
3:17 AM
@CowperKettle In Latin, a virga is a branch, rod, often used in flogging.
 
Ah!
> flagellum equō et cāmus asinō et virgā dorsō inprūdentium (A whip for a horse, and a snaffle for an ass, and a rod for the back of fools.)
I wonder what these horisontal lines mean over the letters. Indicators of stress in speech?
 
Vowel length.
Those are called macra, "long things".
A macron () is a diacritical mark: it is a straight bar (¯) placed above a letter, usually a vowel. Its name derives from Ancient Greek μακρόν (makrón) "long", since it was originally used to mark long or heavy syllables in Greco-Roman metrics. It now more often marks a long vowel. In the International Phonetic Alphabet, the macron is used to indicate a mid-tone; the sign for a long vowel is instead a modified triangular colon ⟨ː⟩. The opposite is the breve ⟨˘⟩, which marks a short or light syllable or a short vowel. == Uses == === Syllable weight === In Greco-Roman metrics and in the description...
 
Ah, thank you!
 
Ō, my Āūtōhotkēȳ lets me type them eāsīly.
Ănd brĕvĭă, tŏŏ.
 
Word of the minute: aperçu (short summary)
Alexander Khvostov, a theater actor in Yekaterinburg, volunteered to serve in the Special Operation
He was exempt, but he volunteered despite his exemption.
 
3:44 AM
Odd.
Why was he exempt?
 
@Cerberus Because he worked at a state-run theater, the main theater in the city.
I think that was the reason
Or maybe some other reason.
 
Why would people working in theatres be exempt?
 
Yes.. maybe it was some other reason. It's just that in the recent days all companies and enterprises have rushed to receive a special status.
My grandfather, an engineer specializing in bridge construction, was exempt, but he waived his exemption in June 1941 and enrolled in the army
Bridge building was considered a high-priority task, so he was exempt
Word of the minute: ventouse (suction cup-like device used on a baby's head to assist in difficult childbirths)
In Russian, we have a cognate word, vantuz (вантуз), meaning a force cup, a plunger for toilet bowls
 
4:10 AM
Same thing.
I think such a device was used on my head.
 
4:33 AM
Ah!
You were too large, probably
 
Indeed, I was about 4.5 kg.
 
4:52 AM
> Yekaterinburg pharmacies ran out of tourniquets
 
 
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7:58 AM
10 July 1843
> In this 1843 letter to Charles Babbage, Ada Lovelace proposes a calculation that "may be worked out by the engine without having been worked out by human". It is the first time that the principle of the computer program had been set out in writing
 
8:33 AM
I don't get the last line
 
8:53 AM
@CowperKettle isn't it a reference to David vs. Goliath? If I'm not reading it wrongly, it's saying if you just throw a stone (sounds easy), as David did, Goliath will fall, i.e. the problem will be solved. Whether he's being sarcastic or genuine, that curing it is that easy, I can't tell.
 
9:47 AM
@M.A.R. Oh, spot on!
It must be it.
> Why do brains have inhibitory connections? Why do deep networks have negative weights? Our answer is: to learn more functions. arxiv.org/abs/2208.03211
 
10:54 AM
> La Le ccedil on Le Chat A Pair
What does it mean? Google Translate fails.
 
@CowperKettle It doesn't mean anything intelligible, probably what one of the pupils wrote in her notebook. Something like The (feminine) the (masculine) C cedilla (ç) on the cat at even. The little girl on her knees has a leaf attached to her back where "lazy" is written.
 
11:12 AM
@jlliagre Ah! Merci!
> Sales of passenger and light commercial cars in Russia in September are 59.6% lower than in September 2021, at 46698 units.
This is better than minus 80% in May, but still a big fall in sales.
@jlliagre I only managed to recognise "Chat"
I remember it from Le duo des chats
 
Здесь нет кошки ;-)
 
11:27 AM
42 yo woman tried to torch an army draft office in Gorachiy Kluch, is now being wanted by the police zona.media/news/2022/10/06/gorklucz
This crime has been reclassified, and now one can get up to 15 years in jail for this.
 
11:41 AM
> Under the pretty Autumn's thimbled finger
Maples assume their dress of golden sheen.
Pray let us stay awhile, pray let us linger,
Say leaves: embroider us instead with green.
> Oh, lengthen this delight, they rustle gently,
Of lovely groves and dews that taste like wine.
But crows the fallen nutshells peck intently,
And if they hear at all, give not a sign.
(Lina Kostenko, Ukrainian poet)
Lina Vasylivna Kostenko (Ukrainian: Ліна Василівна Костенко; born 19 March 1930) is a Ukrainian poet, journalist, writer, publisher, and former Soviet dissident. A founder and leading representative of the Sixtiers poetry movement, Kostenko has been described as one of Ukraine's foremost poets and credited with reviving Ukrainian-language lyric poetry. Kostenko has been granted numerous honours, including an honourary professorship at Kyiv Mohyla Academy, honourary doctorates of Lviv and Chernivtsi Universities, and the Shevchenko National Prize, Legion of Honour. == Early life and career == Lina...
 
12:06 PM
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12:19 PM
I saw an old man fall into a well today. I guess he couldn't see that well.
 
12:30 PM
That's odd
 
1:28 PM
@CowperKettle I'm kinda skeptical
They probably just took their time, as most people that are 'barely literate' do.
If you're taught single-digit multiplication, you're gonna struggle at it IRL. If you're further taught two-digit multiplication, you'll struggle at that instead, and find single digits easier.
 
Did he really say that?
What a moron
Wait, dipshit is more appropriate
 
Since this is Twitter, I'm sure it's misrepresented.
 
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@Robusto -or- the writers (and editors who would otherwise slap them down) are young.
 
1:32 PM
@M.A.R. He was just reading up on history, and trying to come up withe a peace plan
Crimea has indeed been part of the Russian psyche.
 
@Cerberus Oh. You all said that already.
 
Boris Yeltsin wisely decided not to turn Russia into Yugoslavia 2.0, and did not argue over borders.
 
@Mitch Well, maybe, but if any editor ever festooned my copy with slammers I'd certainly find another venue for my writing.
 
I'm saying that the editor should have -removed- the '!' but has come now to find them acceptable
(assuming the writer also did the title)
 
Writers seldom write their own headlines.
 
1:35 PM
I mean we're all kids now
Seriosity is less imposed nowadays?
 
Jun 30 at 13:04, by Robusto
For anyone who doesn't know what a virga is, this appears to be an example. I still can't believe this friend schlepped a camera kit with multiple lenses all the way up the crest.
 
@Robusto Yes, that's when I added virga to my Anki ))
 
@Robusto For these listicle type sites (where I'd expect to see ! in titles) I wouldn't be surprised if the operation is 'streamlined' to the point where the title is done by the writer
 
@Mitch I would say its vastly more celebrated.
 
But now that we're at this point
What is the current status of 'cannot'?
 
1:38 PM
@Mitch It's frequently fucked up, that's where it is. Like everything else.
 
I have an app that keeps telling me that 'cannot' is wrong it should be 'can not'
 
Back in the 1990s and early 00s, I thought - why didn't Ukraine cede at least Sevastopol to Russia, because Sevastopol is such a sacred city for Russians, due to its defense in 1850s and 1941-42. It's so much part of the Russian history that it was destined to be a constant point of tension.
 
But I haven't tried it elsewhere
cannot
no squiggle
so here at least it is still OK.
 
@Mitch Fire that app.
 
is 'cannot' old-fashioned? going the way of doilies on the settee?
 
1:39 PM
Don't you mean antimacassars?
 
My apologies
them fancy things that keep you pompadour oil from mussing the upholstery
 
The term used to be antimacassar.
Long before I was even a gleam in my father's eye.
 
@Robusto sure
are you saying doily is not what it can be called?
They certainly -look- like doilies.
 
@Mitch Sure, if you're happy calling a car a vehicle all the time.
Or a bat a mammal.
 
@Robusto I'd kind of switch those two
 
1:45 PM
Or a cat a feline.
Or breakfast a meal.
 
I myself possess a feline,
But when poetry I roar,
 
Or your friend a biped.
 
She is sure to make a bee-line
For the door.
 
I myself possess two cats
Who when they want to dine
Or go out in hope of rats
Let out a fearful whine.
I can hear one right now.
 
It took me a long time to teach my second cat to meow
 
1:49 PM
Jun 9, 2011 at 12:47, by Robusto
"The difference between the right word and almost the right word is like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug." — Mark Twain
 
Now when I make a nod, he sometimes meows in reply.
I just kept nodding and asking him to meow, until he understood.
The older cat took much less time to understand it.
 
OK here's another word story
 
@CowperKettle I wish I could teach my cats to shut the fuck up.
 
I remember exactly when I first read the word 'seldom'
Or rather I have a distinct memory of reading it for the first time, though when to place that memory is a little difficult.
 
I remember exactly when I first read the word The.
2
 
1:51 PM
It was in a set of Peanuts comics
Not particularly the most high minded literature.
Though it does have the most anodyne nihilistic side, if those things can work together at all.
In a similar space to New Yorker cartoons. They're funny but not laugh out loud funny like Onion fake news titles.
Anyway... well the imagery is very distinct but now I'm failing to remember the actual and particular cartoon contents.
But someone says to another "blah blah blah seldom bla ablah balh"
 
@CowperKettle A traumatic experience, I'm sure. ;)
 
You seldom hear 'seldom'.
 
@Robusto Yes. I already told this story. I decided to self-study English at about 7 years of age, and opened a children's book in English, and the first word was the. I opened the Russo-English dictionary, there was a page-long entry on the, in which I understood nothing. So I stopped studying English.
 
It's going the way of 'Perhaps'
 
Perhaps it is, perhaps it's not.
 
1:59 PM
There was a song with "perhaps, perhaps, perhaps"
> in this study, we trained mice on a series of reversal learning problems that shared the same structure but had different physical implementations. Performance improved across problems, indicating transfer of knowledge. nature.com/articles/s41593-022-01149-8
 
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> Neurons in medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) maintained similar representations across problems despite their different sensorimotor correlates, whereas hippocampal (dCA1) representations were more strongly influenced by the specifics of each problem.
Mice can generalize knowledge and tailor their behavior by exchanging info between the frontal parts of the brain and the hippocampus.
 
And from the same album:
My cats should listen to this song and do as it teachers.
Aww, it's bowdlerized.
Here is the unexpurgated version.
 
2:39 PM
@CowperKettle: Hey, I just discovered that the original "Perhaps x 3" song was in Spanish.
"Quizás, quizás, quizás", sometimes known simply as "Quizás" (American Spanish: [kiˈsas]; "perhaps"), is a popular song by Cuban songwriter Osvaldo Farrés. Farrés wrote the music and original Spanish lyrics for the song which became a hit for Bobby Capó in 1947. == English version == The English lyrics for "Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps" were translated by Joe Davis from the original Spanish version. The English version was first recorded by Desi Arnaz in 1948 (RCA). == French version == The French lyrics, Qui sait, qui sait, are by Jacques Larue, with a slightly different meaning. The story is about...
 
I know that song.
Are there well known versions in other languages?
 
Lots, apparently.
 
I think I know it only in Spanish.
 
@Robusto Ah! Interesting
I upped my venlafaxine back to 187 mg/day and again I have suddenly this feeling that my brain started working. But at the same time, a lot of sweating.
I was afraid that it might increase intraocular pressure, so I went to the doc, and my pressure was 10 and 11 mm hg, which is well within the normal range.
 
3:25 PM
@CowperKettle Do you mean night sweats?
 
@Robusto No, sweats in general. Noradrenaline activation does that.
It's a SNRI
I've just learned from my mother that the son of the old lady who lived next door and died recently, and he is 61 years old, yesterday tried to enroll for the Special Operation in Ukraine.
The told him to appear today at 8 a.m. to the Miltary Comissariat, and he overslept.
Now he'll try another day.
I wonder if they'll take him.
 
Of course they will.
 
We recently tried to find a psychiatric clinic for him, because he was drinking for several weeks.
He was drunk for days on end.
He managed to sober up several days ago, and decided to earn some money.
He looks very well for his age, but I'm not sure about his liver.
He previously told my mom that he hates Vladimir Putin.
 
They'll take him and turn it into a propaganda piece for the "news" outlets.
 
So it must be just a wish to earn some money.
 
3:32 PM
"61-Year-Old Joins The Patriotic Struggle To Free Ukraine!"
 
He had to fill out some official papers couple weeks ago, and his wife could not make him do it. He was too drunk.
@Robusto Maybe they'll make him a truck driver, he can drive.
I can't imagine them making him a soldier.
 
You know, this is eerily reminiscent of the division in America about the Vietnam War.
 
3:46 PM
Some felt it was their patriotic duty to go and fight the Communists, others (myself included) felt they didn't want to kill people or die to prop up a corrupt regime.
 
@tchrist he's such a controversial figure. When he tried out for the Raiders he wore a t-shirt with "Kunta Kinte" written across the front, as if he knew that they were going to do a Kunta Kinte on him and chop off his foot
 
3:58 PM
I doubt any team will take a knee at the world cup to protest the thousands of migrant workers who died building those stadiums.
@Robusto a corrupt regime that supported Pol pot's genocide in Cambodia.
 
Word.
 
4:38 PM
@CowperKettle She's considered the first 'programmer', with the first program being an algorithm to compute Bernouilli numbers.
The programming language Ada (a relative of Pascal and Algol, the first intentionally 'structured' programming languages) and used by the US government/defense in the 1980's (before or after I'm not sure) was named after her.
 
Wow, gonna cost over $3,000 to spend Christmas with my granddaughter this year. Airfares and hotel rooms have gone way up. Prolly for the holidays.
 
@CowperKettle Yes, you're trolling me with this.
but first comment before reading... why are computer things being published in Nature? They are -awful- at assessing things outside of bio.
 
Yeah, everything is following the price of gas.
The Power of Big Oil
 
5:13 PM
If the prices don't come down after the holidays, it's straight-up price gouging.
 
 
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6:23 PM
@CowperKettle After looking at the article (not entirely in depth but enough to understand their strategy), it is legit.
What they've done is look at a very finite problem (matrix multiplication on 4x4 matrices) and tries to optimize the number of element multiplications needed (it is very easy to show that you can use any method like this to generalize a kxk to a recursive algorithm nxn matrices if k is a constant).
The Strassen algorithm is a clever way to get 7 multiplications for a 2x2 matrix, when the usual way is 8.
The reinforcement learning algorithm they present is to use a NN and reinforcement learning to search for fewer multiplications that still get the right answer for 4x4 (and larger constants).
This is a very legitimate use of RL for discrete problems.
RL/NNs are not a necessary method, any old search could work, but most searches will be prohbitively long. RL is good for reducing the size of the search space.
I'm still not sure why they submitted this to Nature (their pool of reviewers is heavy on bio and very light on CS) but it's slightly less bad to me now because it would take two kinds of people to judge this well, one an expert in theoretical CS (who would know about asymptotic complexity and the literature on matrix multiplication) and another on reinforcement learning architectures (and game playing architectures specifically like AlphaZero).
Those are two very different areas of CS and might be hard to find good reviewers for that.
@CowperKettle This seems like reinventing the wheel. They're making heavy weather of negative weights in a neural network and it is well understood that limiting to nonnegative weights would limit considerably the functions computable/learnable with a NN.
And then they just say that this somehow explains why biological systems of inhibitory mechanisms in addition to excitatory ones.
which seems to me something that isn't asking for an explanation.
 
 
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8:42 PM
@Mitch The other day I was walking down the street and I got hit by a violin. Then a clarinet and THEN a piano. It was an orchestrated attack.
 
@Mitch Good reply!
 
9:42 PM
Hey hi! President Biden talked about marijuana and I read "...While white and Black and brown people use marijuana at similar rates, Black and brown people are arrested, prosecuted, and convicted at disproportionate rates." (CNN). I'm a learner and this is the first time I come across brown people (ie. South Asia). When you read this sort of grouping are you supposed to understand that with people from South-East Asian descent the situation is different?
In so many words did Black and brown mean racialized? Or was it used to avoid using racialized even?
 
@solastalgienitsyne He, as a politician, was just trying to cover the entire, um, spectrum of races. The idea is that nobody should be left out. What he did leave out were yellow and red, since those (Chinese/Japanese and Native American) are colors that were associated with racist depictions.
May 18, 2014 at 12:34, by Robusto
The Japanese think of themselves as "wheat"-colored.
 
@solastalgienitsyne 'brown' in the US in the context of race means not European (white) and not sub-Saharan African (Black). For example people from Latin America, from North Africa Middle East, India (South Asia) mostly b cause their skin tends to have a darker shade than Europeans but not nearly as dark as Africans. A synonym for 'brown' you might see is 'people of color's.
 
9:58 PM
So the South-East Asians would be included if I understand correctly?
 
I have left out of my examples people from South-east Asia and East Asia (eg Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese) because I am unsure how they are categorized by most people (or by the people who came up with the naming). I don't think of those examples as having different colored skin so 'brown' doesn't really seem to apply (if we're being literal about it)
 
@solastalgienitsyne Yes.
The spectrum of races in that speech has three colors but is meant to be all-inclusive.
 
In the US 'brown' usually translates immediately to Hispanic or Middle Eastern but other ethnicities around the world may not, I'm just not sure
It may be the intention that even though literally there are many dimensions to ethnicity, for the sake of simplicity the phrasing is three mutually exclusive categories. But it is not clear if those that don't identify with those three colors where they fit (either for themselves or by other people)
@solastalgienitsyne I think it is intended that Southeast Asians are included in 'brown' even if that is not really how anyone might label their skin color
 
@Mitch That's what I said, only you used three times as many words.
 
To confirm what @Robusto said
 
10:04 PM
Nothing succincts like succinctity.
 
@Robusto Good for you!
 
@Mitch And you haven't even commented on the pun I made especially for you ...
 
I think in French I can use teint basané to mean brown even though brun is still meaningful to describe skin; it's like "dark skinned" I guess. Still, it's not used to create a palette like you guys explained. I'm surprised with this.
 
@solastalgienitsyne The whole color issue with races is a minefield in the US. See this question and its answers on Meta:
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Q: Is using "colored girls" as an incidental example offensive or unwelcoming?

Matt E. ЭлленA recent answer demonstrates its point with lyrics from a Lou Reed song. This has prompted a flag to be raised, calling the lyrics "offensive and unwelcoming". There is also a comment, with 20 comment votes, that suggests using the lyrics to "the wheels on the bus" instead of Lou Reed's lyrics....

 
10:10 PM
Oh, I know, thank you. I read brown is informal. Maybe the President wanted to sound less technical and more friendy and colorful, one could say.
 
On pourrait dire ça.
 
In my world in French we don't have the mincing usage typically for the N-word so in a world where people from different places mix and all, you can imagine it's complicated there too sometimes...
 
@Robusto 😭
 
Nevertheless, that palette logic is very interesting and I find that Black and brown collocation pleasing.
 
I just saw a tweet to the effect that hey play a C on a clarinet and a piano and a ... I forgot... a trombone maybe? And you're playing three different notes
 
10:15 PM
Cheers!
 
I think heavy use of taboo words is related to the background of an Abrahamic culture.
 
Turkish
Ha!
 
I once attended a philosophy class where the Jewish teacher would spell the word G*d.
I think that is where things like writing nigger like n-word come from.
 
I mean the Ha! language of some tribes in Rondo is Brazil
 
Plain stupidity. People know what word you are saying anyway.
You either use it or you don't.
Except if you believe in religion, in the magic of Words.
 
10:18 PM
Boo!
Did that scare you?
 
Very much so.
Ta-boo!
 
Nice. I still got it
I'll probably say some more words that will magically cause you to think things
Are you thinking anything now?
I mean related to what I said
Ya know?
 
Do I seem like the kind of person who thinks?
 
@Cerberus that's a thing that very observant Jews do
 
Exactly.
 
10:22 PM
It's not like 'god' is the actual name of God but the Hebrew one
Or rather the ancient Hebrew one
 
It's all nonsense.
 
But you want to make sure you're not saying even the translation
I mean I can say Yahweh and noth
 
Alternatively, you could see the error in your ways.
 
 
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@Cerberus some people may consider this as a bad "swear-word," and want to avoid saying it themselves, no? Other examples being the f-word or F-bomb, etc.
 
@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck Well, that is exactly what I criticise, this superstition.
You either say it or you don't.
Spelling it differently doesn't change that.
 
I was talking about verbally saying it, sir.
Writing is different.
 
Well, it's still the same word in speech, isn't it?
 
Example "He told me to F off to my face."
 
Silly superstition.
Just say fuck off, if that is what you mean.
Or don't say it at all.
 
11:44 PM
Yes sir.
 
Haha.
Of course you can do whatever you want.
But this is my conviction.
Euphemisms, and trying to hide things through language, are also ugly.
So enough reasons not to use those.
 

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