English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mitch

12:37 AM

Aug 27, 2015 at 13:40, by Mitch

> You'll admire all the number-book takers
Thugs, pimps and pushers and the big money-makers

Robusto

2:00 AM

$5 Word of the Week: inspissate: to congeal or thicken.

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I can't imagine a situation where I would prefer that to congeal or thicken.

CowperKettle

4:24 AM

On the TV, they say it will take some 2 months before the mobilized forces will be able to really advance against Ukraine.

CowperKettle

4:35 AM

Shavarsh Karapetyan

Shavarsh Vladimiri (Vladimirovich) Karapetyan (Armenian: Շավարշ Կարապետյան; born May 19, 1953) is a retired Armenian finswimmer, best known for saving the lives of 20 people in a 1976 incident in Yerevan. == Biography == Karapetyan was born on May 19, 1953 in Armenia's third largest city of Kirovakan (now called Vanadzor), then part of the Soviet Union. His family moved to Yerevan in 1964, where Shavarsh finished eight years of school and then attended a technical school for auto-mechanics. By the advice of family friends, he started to learn swimming at a young age. He later switched to ...

A swimmer who saved 20 passengers of a trolley that plunged into a river.

CowperKettle

5:18 AM

The Russian Psyche | Konstantin Kisin

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> This morning, the apartment of Sergei Shpilkin, a Russian statistician who exposed Putin's machinations with election results, was raided. The police broke the door, per their recent intimidatory custom. Sergei lives abroad, but his wife was detained and he has been unable to contact her thus far. ovd.news/express-news/2022/10/05/…

Шпилькин, Сергей Александрович

Сергей Александрович Шпилькин (род. 1962) — российский физик и исследователь статистики выборов. == Биография == Сергей Александрович Шпилькин родился в 1962 году. В 1977—1979 годах закончил ФМШ № 18 им. А. Н. Колмогорова («Специализированная школа-интернат № 18 физико-математического профиля при Московском государственном университете им. М. В. Ломоносова», впоследствии СУНЦ МГУ, Mосква). В 1979 году получил золотую медаль на XI международной физической олимпиаде школьников в Москве. В 1985 году он закончил физический факультет МГУ. В 1985—1993 годах работал во ВНИЦПВ Госстандарта, в 1993—2006...

CowperKettle

6:04 AM

> Humans can infer rules for building words in a new language from a handful of examples, and linguists also can infer language patterns across related languages. Here, the authors provide an algorithm which models these grammatical abilities by synthesizing human-understandable programs for building words.

Synthesizing theories of human language with Bayesian program induction

Xanne

7:18 AM

Wordle 473 4/6

🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
🟨⬜🟨🟨⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

#Worldle #257 2/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟨↖️
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

Xanne

7:40 AM

I solved Redactle Unlimited in 3 guesses with an accuracy of 100% and a time of 00:01:59. Play at redactle-unlimited.com #181

I really lucked out on this. But so will others.

CowperKettle

8:13 AM

The plot inspissates.

Cortisol levels almost doubled in participants’ saliva the morning after they reported experiencing racial discrimination, such as being called slurs, the team reports today in PLOS ONE.

> Microaggressions, on the other hand, seemed to increase cortisol levels on the very same day. Even outside any racist incidents, instances in which participants reported bad moods were associated with an increase in alpha amylase during the same day.

jlliagre

9:31 AM

I solved Redactle Unlimited in 116 guesses with an accuracy of 71.55% and a time of 00:29:10. Play at https://redactle-unlimited.com/ #181
I found it earlier but not with the expected spelling...

CowperKettle

Emmanuelle Charpentier

Emmanuelle Marie Charpentier (French: [ɛmanɥɛl ʃaʁpɑ̃tje]; born 11 December 1968) is a French professor of Armenian origin and researcher in microbiology, genetics, and biochemistry. As of 2015, she has been a director at the Max Planck Institute for Infection Biology in Berlin. In 2018, she founded an independent research institute, the Max Planck Unit for the Science of Pathogens. In 2020, Charpentier and American biochemist Jennifer Doudna of the University of California, Berkeley, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry "for the development of a method for genome editing" (through CRISPR...

The woman who invented CRISPR.

I tried reading about CRISPR, but my brain inspissates at its complexity.

Robusto

#Worldle #257 1/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

jlliagre

Wordle 473 4/6

⬜⬜🟨⬜🟩
⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩
⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

#Worldle #257 1/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

Robusto

🌎 Oct 5, 2022 🌍
🔥 35 | Avg. Guesses: 6
🟨🟧🟥🟩 = 4

#globle

Wordle 473 4/6

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🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜
⬜🟨🟨🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

CowperKettle

9:55 AM

Word of the day: click chemistry

jlliagre

🌎 Oct 5, 2022 🌍
🔥 4 | Avg. Guesses: 7.16
🟧🟧🟨🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥
🟥🟥🟥🟥🟩 = 13

#globle

si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

10:17 AM

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23708461#23708461 @Mitch

CowperKettle

10:31 AM

si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

Why are they teaching 7 year old girls to sing about virginity?

CowperKettle

Monthy Python taught young kids to sing about sperm

si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

sex sells

CowperKettle

If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

15 hours ago, by si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

That's why sex sells. No thinking involved, its a basic instinct.

Involving a divine being is no excuse.

~~no excuse~~ not a sales pitch

CowperKettle

10:44 AM

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - North Korean Edition

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LOL

M.A.R.

11:36 AM

@CowperKettle one of the most valuable types of reactions in synthesis are ones that make C-C bonds, or otherwise change the skeleton of the molecule. Most other reactions involve a functional group, not the underlying carbon skeleton, so typically the most challenging thing to figure out is how to economically arrive at the desired carbon skeleton

CowperKettle

11:54 AM

@M.A.R. So the click reactions are not very valuable, because there's this cyclical thingie instead of a clean C-C bond?

M.A.R.

12:08 PM

@CowperKettle no, it's valuable because it modifies the skeleton and adds two pieces together. If you want to synthesize a 16-carbon compound that has that triazole ring in it, now you can use that reaction, with starting 7 and 9 carbon skeletons

(And triazole rings are common enough in organic compounds, at least in drugs)

CowperKettle

12:39 PM

> September 2022 marks the first full month without Russian natural gas supply in German history since the 1970s

@M.A.R. And you can then somehow remove the ring to achieve a "pure" bond?

M.A.R.

12:58 PM

@CowperKettle that sounds like a lot of work. If I wanted that I would opt for another method. But many compounds with the ring are very valuable

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Q: How did people get apps on their computer before the Internet?

The Internet has existed since the 90s, but how did people get apps and games installed on their computers before that and how were they accessed and saved?

Please excuse him. The rest of us aren't that ignorant

CowperKettle

1:33 PM

> When, having but to turn my head,
Through the stripped maple I shall see,
Bleak and remembered, patched with red,
The hill all summer hid from me.

M.A.R.

Sometimes I feel like everyone is enjoying the world and I'm missing out

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tchrist

1:52 PM

> Thou blossom bright with autumn dew,
And colored with the heaven’s own blue,
That openest when the quiet light
Succeeds the keen and frosty night.

Thou comest not when violets lean
O’er wandering brooks and springs unseen,
Or columbines, in purple dressed,
Nod o’er the ground-bird’s hidden nest.

Thou waitest late and com’st alone,
When woods are bare and birds are flown,
And frosts and shortening days portend
The aged year is near his end.

Then doth thy sweet and quiet eye
Look through its fringes to the sky,

> When winter first begins to bite
and stones crack in the frosty night,
when pools are black and trees are bare,
'tis evil in the Wild to fare.

"When pools are black and trees are bare" hearkens back not just to Shakespeare, but to William Cullen Bryant: "When woods are bare and birds are flown".

Enjoy your gentian.

While it lasts.

I saw three gentians in the wilderness blooming two weeks ago now at timberline. This was one of them.

> According to ancient Roman naturalist Pliny, King Gentius of Illyria found that the roots were useful as an emetic, cathartic, and tonic. From him, the plant's name is derived.

My version of it is Gentianopsis thermalis.

> Blue – blue – as if that sky let fall / A flower from its cerulean wall.

The other two were the bottled gentian and the arctic gentian. The green gentian that blooms in late spring and early summer is long gone.

CowperKettle

> The only people I really hate are servants. They are not really human beings at all . . . Even their sins are not human sins but the sins of spiders & magpies, of monkeys serpents & pigs.

(Edna St. Vincent Millay, diaries)

I did not expect that from her.

tchrist

2:07 PM

But from Hitler.

CowperKettle

She wrote a whole book of anti-fascist poetry in 1940

tchrist

Curious.

CowperKettle

And was heavily criticized for it.

Because there was active anti-war mood in the USA

> Merle Rubin noted, "She seems to have caught more flak from the literary critics for supporting democracy than Ezra Pound did for championing fascism."

tchrist

Opposition to unchecked power naked and brutal is no sin.

CowperKettle

I memorized her poem Conscientous Objector about 8 years ago

tchrist

2:10 PM

Good for you.

CowperKettle

bactra.org/Poetry/Millay/Conscientious_Objector.html

One of the very few non-rhyming poems that I've memorized

tchrist

A strong statement.

Suitably strong.

Robusto

Couldn't fit it in one take.

That's Dylan Thomas, by the way.

It feels like a rehearsal for "Fern Hill," in a way.

Robusto

2:46 PM

Stupid HTML doesn't preserve leading whitespace on a line.

tchrist

3:11 PM

@Robusto The easiest workaround for that is to make SE chat think it's a code bit.

Robusto

And how does one do that?

tchrist

Leading blanks.

Thou blossom bright with autumn dew,
    And colored with the heaven’s own blue,
        That openest when the quiet light
            Succeeds the keen and frosty night.

Select the "fixed font" button, or whatever it is.

Robusto

Tried that.

Look at my removed message.

    Poem In October
      by Dylan Thomas

    It was my thirtieth year to heaven
    Woke to my hearing from harbour and neighbour wood
       And the mussel pooled and the heron
               Priested shore
           The morning beckon
    With water praying and call of seagull and rook
    And the knock of sailing boats on the net webbed wall
           Myself to set foot
               That second
    In the still sleeping town and set forth.

       My birthday began with the water-
    Birds and the birds of the winged trees flying my name

Oh fudge.

tchrist

Et voilà.

Robusto

I see that I just forgot to do that.

I've known about that for over a decade, and I just assumed I'd done that.

tchrist

3:16 PM

Thou blossom bright with autumn dew,
‭ And colored with the heaven’s own blue,
‭ That openest when the quiet light
‭ Succeeds the keen and frosty night.

Robusto

Well, I had a hard night.

tchrist

Yeah, they fixed that one. Lemme find another.

@Robusto Any particular reason?

Ug.

Robusto

Yeah.

On the plus side, they got it all and the healing has begun. On the minus side, this kind of thing always takes time.

tchrist

I cannot tell how many times I've seen that.

> 1626 F. Bacon Sylua Syluarum §726 The Sugar doth inspissate the Spirits of the Wine, and maketh them not so easie to resolue into Vapour.

A forest of forests, apparently.

Robusto

BTW, can you please edit my poem post? On my last minor adjustment I forgot to click the fixed-font button again (which you shouldn't have to do more than once, in my view).

tchrist

3:20 PM

Yes.

There are Unicode control character tricks that sometimes work for these.

But too much bother.

Robusto

Thanks.

tchrist

> 1884 E. E. Hale Christmas in Narragansett v. 117 No method..by which you can inspissate entertainingness into a dull article.

> 1832 W. Macgillivray Trav. & Researches A. von Humboldt xvii. 225 Until the yolk..has time to inspissate.

Robusto

Yes, inspissate was apparently swallowed whole from Latin.

tchrist

Does that final surname ring you any bells?

Robusto

Humboldt Current?

tchrist

3:23 PM

Nay.

MacGillivray.

I had to learn it when moving here, because we don't have those east of the Great River.

MacGillivray's warbler

MacGillivray's warbler (Geothlypis tolmiei) is a species of New World warbler. These birds are sluggish and heavy warblers, preferring to spend most of their time on, or near the ground, except when singing. The MacGillivray's warbler was named by John James Audubon in honor of Scottish ornithologist William MacGillivray, although the proper credit to its discovery goes to John Kirk Townsend. The specific name was given in honor of William Fraser Tolmie. Adult MacGillivray's warblers are an olive-green color on their upperparts and dull yellow below. Males have black heads and breasts, while females...

They can be found in low riparian brush here in the West.

I didn't recognize them the first time I chanced upon them.

Robusto

Ah, OK.

tchrist

The point is that the OED quote is from the same Scotsman whom Audubon used for the bird's name.

> William Macgillivray (1796–1852)
Ornithologist and natural historian

Robusto

Small world.

tchrist

> Etymology: < late Latin inspissāre (Boethius), < in- (in- prefix3) + spissāre to thicken, spissus thick.

Do you recognize espeso? That's "thick" in Spanish. From that word.

> Del lat. spissus.

1. adj. Dicho de una masa o de una sustancia fluida o gaseosa: Que tiene mucha densidad o condensación.

2. adj. Dicho de dos o más cosas: Que están muy juntas y apretadas, como suele suceder en los trigos, en las arboledas y en los montes.

3. adj. Grueso, corpulento, macizo. Muros espesos.

4. adj. Ar., Perú y Ven. Pesado, impertinente, molesto.

5. adj. p. us. Continuado, repetido, frecuente.

6. adj. p. us. Sucio, desaseado y grasiento.

There's of course a verb espesar to go with it.

Robusto

@tchrist Yes.

tchrist

3:34 PM

Inspissate sounds like something that got pissed in.

Robusto

I don't think of thoughts as being thick, though.

Yes, the piss association is unavoidable.

tchrist

Don't be thick.

Robusto

I thick, therefore I am.

tchrist

> 2. a. figurative. Excessive in some disagreeable quality; too much to manage or to stand; spec. too gross, indecent, or indelicate. Often in phrase a bit thick. Cf. to lay it on thick at lay v.1 Phrasal verbs. slang.

The Argentine extended use of espeso is like that: Pesado, impertinente, molesto.

I haven't heard it used that way in Peninsular or Mexican Spanishes.

But it would not surprise me.

Mitch

A t-shirt from the reunion tour

Robusto

3:41 PM

@tchrist There are too many Spanishes. Every time I get comfortable hearing one I hear another and have to dial the focus back and forth until the image gets clearer.

tchrist

@Robusto Same with English.

Robusto

Yeah, but I had the good fortune to grow up hearing all kinds of dialects and accents in English.

That was when I was used to not knowing things, so not understanding something didn't seem strange.

tchrist

It's the local changes to routine vocabulary or common phrases that are the hardest.

The accent, meaning phonology and intonation and such, is easier to adapt to than having to learn new vocabulary.

Although with Spanish you do need to learn the local choices of pronouns and verb inflections in a way that you almost never need to with English.

Robusto

Yes.

Mitch

@tchrist I first learned that word... don't we all remember exactly when for each word the instance in which we learned it?... I remember the moment I first saw, I didn't hear it but read it, it's that kind of word

I remember the moment when I first saw cerulean, it was in from a gaming board for Pokémon which labeled one world with 'Cerulean something something'

tchrist

3:46 PM

@Mitch wtf?

Who is this and what have you done with the real Mitch?

What native speaker lives two-score years ere they chance upon c(a)erulean??

Robusto

I was watching a TV program and found it odd that in Colombian vernacular people kept saying listo to signify agreement or acquiescence.

Mitch

and I thought 'what the hell is that?' Context says it's some kind of blue' but... did they just make that up like all the other Pokémon stuff? Or Did they do a Kim Jong-un and look up synonyms of blue in an 1800's thesaurus?

@tchrist No word shaming in chat

Oh the Kim reference is to the word 'dotard'. Another scraping the bottom of the thesaurus.

tchrist

Mass in B Minor, BWV 232: Pleni sunt coeli (Chorus)

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¡Cielos!

@Mitch Nope.

@Mitch Oh you anecdotard!

dotard ≠ chresard

Even a clochard would know a dotard when they saw one, n'est-ce pas?

Robusto

Does dotage rhyme with potage? One thing, you shouldn't confuse them while eating, or people will think you are senile.

tchrist

> 1817 W. Scott Rob Roy I. xii. 276 It's hard I should get raps over the costard, and only pay you back in make-believes?
1880 T. E. Webb tr. J. W. von Goethe Faust i. xi. 56 Each other's costards let 'em split.
1928 A. Bennett Vanguard xix. 121 What he ought to have is one over the costard himself.

@Robusto Hope not!

/poʊˈtɑʒ/ and /ˈdoʊtɪdʒ/.

Putage being something else.

Laurel

4:05 PM

@Mitch Cerulean City, like all cities in Kanto (in the Pokémon world), is named after a color. (The exception being Pallet Town, which is named after the thing you put paint on.)

tchrist

@Mitch You need more blues in your life, Mitch. Kindly permit me to assist.

> tchrist@mac% colorgrep 'blue|bluish'
aqua: A light greenish blue color.

aquamarine: Bluish-green (color); sea-color

azure: A bright blue pigment or dye; The clear blue color of the
unclouded sky, or of the sea reflecting it. (Originally, the deep
intense blue of more southern latitudes.)

bice: Brownish grey, dark grey. dark or dull blue.

blae: Of a dark color between black and blue; blackish blue; of the
color of the blae-berry; livid; also, of a lighter shade, bluish grey,
lead-colored.

Robusto

4:20 PM

Looks like @Mitch blue it again.

tchrist

> Etymology: Middle English caronye, caroine, < Old Northern French caˈronië, later caroine, caroigne, in central Old French charoigne (modern French charogne, and in other sense carogne, Picard carone, carongne) = Provençal caronha, Italian carogna, Spanish carroña, pointing to a Romanic type *carōnia, supposed to be a derivative of caro flesh, but not regularly formed on the stem carn-.

What word? :)

Be charitable.

Robusto

Skin tones were hardest to render in crayon.

It's funny, but the way crayons were packaged paved the way for us to accept the digital screen colors. 8 crayons/8-bit up to 64 crayons/64-bit.

I think there may have been a 128-crayon box, but I'm not sure about that one.

> The most common misconception about data science is the amount of time we actually spend coding. Coding is probably only 10 percent of our time and is often done in chunks of time (i.e., three days of lots of coding and then not much for a while).
The vast majority of our time is Googling how to troubleshoot a bug, brainstorming how to code or solve a specific problem, learning new technologies/softwares, designing technical diagrams, using low-/no-code tools, and communicating with stakeholders. Coding is likely a smaller component of most tech jobs than the average person believes.

Robusto

4:52 PM

> Software Engineer

“It’s amazing that any of this shit works at all.”

I work in the field of site reliability engineering, a niche within the tech industry at the intersection of software engineering and operations. Site reliability engineers are the folks tasked with making sure the largest websites, apps, and networks in the world are up and running. All. The. Time. They are often the first ones on the job when one of those things goes down.

There are two things the world should know about the work we do:

The last two quotes are from What No One Understands About Your Job. Great article.

si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck

5:18 PM

@Robusto funny you mentioned that, because I just found out Colin Kaepernick just wrote a coloring book called "I Color Myself Different"

He's coming out with another book soon about older kids.

Robusto

5:31 PM

Nice.

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