English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:25 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (61): Another word for pretending to be something they're not by Blessing on english.SE

Cerberus

12:48 AM

@Gigili Your Insta betrayed you.

tchrist

> The language of wine is easy to mock. It can be recondite, even downright obscure. Oenophiles make a convenient subject for ridicule: if their cellars require such a wide-ranging lexicon, they are probably rich enough to cope with it.

Oenophiles is such a strange spelling for Winophiles.

Cerberus

@Mitch It's not black and white; a platform doesn't have to be a monopoly for it to be important enough to require regulation.

Twitter is very important to a great many people. Ninety million were using it to access information from Trump.

It's not easily replaceable neither to him nor to them.

That makes it an Important Service, however horrible it be.

So what should have happened is that someone called the police, told them Trump's Twitter account ought to be suspended immediately and urgently.

Or Twitter itself could have called the police.

tchrist

Those are actually cognates; some Insular Greek had ϝοῖνος.

Cretans, Cypriots.

Cerberus

Then the police could have decided to suspend it immediately, without consulting a judge, if they considered it urgent enough. Otherwise, they could have alerted the public prosecutor, who would have called a court of law to have it suspended immediately (which would probably have been the next day, given bureaucracy).

@tchrist And Proto-Greek.

tchrist

right

It's easy to forget that English wine (and in all the Germanic tongues) actually came to Old English from vinum. And we know vino- and oeno- to be cognate.

Cerberus

12:56 AM

I could understand Twitter's suspending it immediately while requesting urgent direction from the police or public prosecutor.

As a praeliminary action.

tchrist

But you can't do anything to the president. He's untouchable. It's awful.

Robusto

@Cerberus This may be a comforting postulate, but it's really just a fantasy. Perhaps it would work in a perfect world, but as reality continually reminds us, we do not live in that world.

Cerberus

But the real decision, on blocking access to Important Services, ought to lie with the state.

@Robusto That is why I can understand why Twitter felt it had to act.

But it's still a problem, not "oh, it's fine, private companies can do whatever they like".

tchrist

@Cerberus The pile-on was fast and furious. It surprised me.

As little enough does these days.

Cerberus

@tchrist Well, it wouldn't be against the president directly, it would just be an order to Twitter, to suspend the account.

Robusto

12:59 AM

@Cerberus I'm not advocating that position. I wish we had a system where people (and politicians) are reasonable, but that quality has never been in evidence in the past, and perhaps less so recently.

Cerberus

Right.

Still, what I said is the reason why so many people have a problem with the way Important Services are (un)regulated.

tchrist

@Cerberus Like how they subpoenaed his accountancy firm instead of him? That didn't work.

Or his banks.

Cerberus

My sister in law told me the EU is working on a proposal to give users the right to appeal against a decision made by an Important Service, I think/hope with a state agency, not with the Service itself.

(IS is not an existing term; I'm just making it up.)

tchrist

Robusto

@Cerberus I suspect that will open the door to either lawlessness or crushing levels of litigation.

tchrist

1:02 AM

It reads: "Veni, vidi, vici, perdidi" :)

Robusto

@tchrist Was that the Pyrrhic version of the Caesar quote?

tchrist

Perdition! What do I know?

Cerberus

Perdiditne rem publicam Americanam?

@Robusto That is indeed a problem, over-regulation.

But litigation isn't that much of a problem in the EU.

tchrist

Robusto

@Cerberus Not yet, perhaps.

tchrist

1:08 AM

> All the same, it is hard to avoid the sense that the social-media firms have reached a point of no return. Disquiet about their power and reach is not confined to political partisans. Britain, Australia, Singapore, Brazil and the EU have passed, or are mooting, new rules designed to regulate social media.

The banning of the world’s most powerful politician will raise the temperature even further. The firms’ in-house enforcement policies—which are spotty and inconsistently applied—will come under even more intense scrutiny.

Cerberus

@Robusto This—if implemented properly—should only allow a swift appeal to a public agency; if rejected, then you could litigate, but probably without much success. And the account would remain blocked in the meantime.

But I know no details of the proposal.

tchrist

> Critics of Twitter’s decision lost little time pointing out that the firm is apparently happy to continue to host Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader. Amid a wave of extra-judicial killings, Rodrigo Duterte, the president of the Philippines, likes to boast about how many alleged "drug dealers” he has personally slain.

Cerberus

Perhaps it will be horrible.

@tchrist I wouldn't call him the world's most powerful politician...

Robusto

@Cerberus Litigation is really a horror. As the saying goes, "If you want justice, go to a whorehouse; if you want to get fucked, go to court."

tchrist

@Cerberus You would if you wanted something from him. :)

Cerberus

1:11 AM

@Robusto I know it can be, but it's much less of a problem here, I think partly because courts just don't award damages here except in the most exceptional of cases, and then only smallish amounts.

@tchrist Luckily, I don't want him.

tchrist

There is very little political fallout possible at this juncture, the lame-duck's swan song.

It was "safe" for them to do this. Now.

Cerberus

Except that it might still result in regulation and the taking away of immunities.

But I like to think Twitter did it because the people leading it felt they had to take responsibility.

They felt responsible for the good of society.

What if Twitter had been owned by Oracle?

tchrist

India's BJP would like to see Facebook regulated.

Cerberus

Everyone would.

And many are busy doing so.

tchrist

Not me.

I would like to see them extinct.

Cerberus

1:14 AM

The problem is that many governments, including the EU, also produce lots of bad regulation of Internet companies.

@tchrist Only to be replaced by the next hype?

Facebook has been dying in the West anyway.

tchrist

All I know is that "social media" have ruined us.

Cerberus

Most people I know used it for a decade, then stopped.

Yeah, that was the only good thing about the old telly, it united societies.

They all got to see the same things.

More or less.

tchrist

Their interests are fundamentally aligned against our own.

They get paid more when they provide megaphones to shout fire in a crowded theater.

You can't fix that.

Fanning the flames gets them off, and gets us burnt.

Cerberus

Yeah, that is a problem.

But it gives me hope that those under 40 are turning away from Facebook, and those under 20 seem to have stopped using it altogether.

tchrist

Didn't Game of Thrones teach us that anybody who enjoys seeing others burn to death is unfit to rule?

Cerberus

1:23 AM

In its place comes Instagram, where I believe discussions are far, far rarer.

tchrist

What's that, meme-posters and related sloganeering?

Cerberus

Twitter isn't really used much outside politicians, journalists, and businesses.

@tchrist It is rather people showing off their happy lives and acquisitions.

Equally insufferable, but perhaps less dangerous.

Much less political.

Youtube is still a problem, and I don't know whether people are participating in politics any less there.

And the older generation is still on Facebook tearing each other apart.

Robusto

1:41 AM

@Cerberus Facebook's problem is not the family posting, but the ads and the fake "news" items. This is the kind of bullshit Russia has been doing to get Trump elected and keep him in power.

tchrist

At the risk of stuttering, I must observe that the repressive regimes of Russia have always relied upon propagating propaganda.

Cerberus

@Robusto OK.

But why isn't that happening on Instagram?

tchrist

And even Russia is a rookie compared with China and its North Korean alcove. Nothing is new here.

Cerberus

I'm not sure about that.

Chinese propaganda, here?

tchrist

No, in China.

Sorry.

Cerberus

1:47 AM

OK.

Robusto

@Cerberus I don't know anything about Instagram.

tchrist

Russia is less effective at mind-control over its own populace than China is.

Cerberus

But you think China is better at propaganda aimed at its own citizens than is Russia?

OK, yes.

But that could also be because Slavs are cynical and educated.

tchrist

There's a Great Wall of China on the Internet, but no Great Gates of Kiev. Wait, that's not supposed to be Russia. :)

Cerberus

Not any more, no.

Mitch

1:49 AM

@Cerberus So you're saying instead of the private company (with varying importance should not 'turn off' someone's use -by themselves- but should go through government -legal- process to do it?

Cerberus

If Kiev had been able to ward off Moscow in the Middle Ages, Russia would now be quite different.

@Mitch Yes, if it's important, provided that there is such a legal process.

Mitch

@Gigili I am very sorry. I don't go into the parenthesis intending to not close it out. It's a problem of mine. You're right I should probably avoid parentheses altogether.

Cerberus

There probably isn't in this case, which is a big part of the problem.

tchrist

@Mitch )

Mitch

@Cerberus Is there such a legal process existing anywhere?

Robusto

1:51 AM

@Mitch Parentheses are a privilege, not a right. License parentheses now!

Cerberus

@Mitch To some degree, but not sufficiently so.

Mitch

@Robusto F the Polenthesis

Cerberus

Par-en-thesis means "putting-in-between".

A phrase within brackets is a case of parenthesis.

tchrist

Uh oh. The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.

Robusto

@Mitch That sounds like some weird unholy combination of polenta and parenthesis. How dare you?

Cerberus

1:52 AM

You could call the entire phrase including brackets a parenthesis.

But not a bracket.

Mitch

@Cerberus Private companies are very undemocratic

Cerberus

Exactly why they shouldn't have that much power.

Mitch

I think I vaguely saw somewhere them compared to fiefdoms?

tchrist

@Robusto What do get when you cross a Polack with a Greek?

Robusto

@tchrist I don't know. Orthodox Christianity?

tchrist

1:54 AM

I was thinking of something wurst.

Robusto

Polish ... sausage?

tchrist

Yeah.

Cerberus

Contrary to popular opinion, feudalism was not so great.

Robusto

But you don't need Greece for Polish sausage. Only grease.

tchrist

Right, so we need more Greeking here.

Mitch

1:55 AM

@Cerberus If you were near the top it was ok

the toilets were still not great

and it was still cold for everybody

@Robusto ew

Robusto

Hey, don't blame me. I didn't invent Polish sausage.

Cerberus

@Mitch And you still suffered from how backward all of society remained because it inhibits progress.

tchrist

Twitter ban reveals that tech companies held keys to Trump’s power all along

That's so annoying. But we even knew this.

Mitch

@Cerberus Not me. I'm still visiting from the future.

I'm waiting for my time travel machine to get repaired

Cerberus

Ah, I see.

How do you like it here?

Mitch

2:01 AM

It's OK

Cerberus

Only OK?

Mitch

It really is the golden age of TV

in my time it's 24 hr drug ads hidden inside thin porn stories

and that's the old people's channels

tchrist

The comparative peace come suddenly over the American political world now that he has been stilled is stunning. That tells you what lay behind so much of this. Fox is the other.

Mitch

The young people's channels is now, I mean in my future time, it's Mighty Morphin Powder Puff Girls

tchrist

You still have girls?

Mitch

2:05 AM

They combined forces with My Little Pony back in the 2080's

tchrist

Oh centaurs you mean.

Mitch

@tchrist ha ha

wait

you're not jokjng are you

tchrist

Well we used to have both knave girls and gay girls.

Mitch

The male species was eradicated in the early 2100's.

tchrist

Which were the only two kinds of children possible back then during the Middle Ages.

Mitch

2:07 AM

The last remnants expired with the draining of the Pripyet marshes.

tchrist

But now we call the knave girls boys.

Mitch

Oh hey... lucrative tip. Bet on the Steelers for the 2022 World Series.

tchrist

I forget what we call the gay girls though.

Mitch

I'm not going to be here then (I read the script, the machine gets fixed pretty soon and I go back)

tchrist

Laughing gulls?

@Mitch The X chromosome is just backups.

Mitch

2:10 AM

@Cerberus It's still a pyramid (not a scheme because companies do sometimes make things that are worthwhile).

like food

and Tesla's

@tchrist Realistically, men are redundant -and- superfluous.

tchrist

Is this some new jenetics now that all the Genes are become Jenns?

Mitch

ONG if only we could surreptitiously hack Elon Musk to say 'Just pay money to ${me}'

Cerberus

@Mitch But a lower one?

Mitch

@tchrist that's funny because...

CowperKettle

The Guy Who Flew a Confederate Flag in the Capitol Has Predictably Surrendered

Mitch

2:13 AM

long story short, some dude insisted on calling some lady Gene instead of Jean

@CowperKettle OK -that's- a funny headline

tchrist

@Mitch How could you tell?

Sounds the same to me.

À moins que nous parlions de Jeanne d'Arc.

Mitch

@Cerberus a lower one what?

a shorter pyramid?

@Cerberus Like instagram, you can curate it. I don't see -any- of that

tchrist

> Ancient Greek πυραμίς is explained by some ancient authors as a derivative of πῦρ fire (see pyro- comb. form), on account of its pointed shape, by others as < πυρός wheat, grain (see pyrene n.1), as if a granary.

Compare ancient Greek πυραμίς kind of cake, which does derive < πυρός wheat, grain; it has been suggested that the word was used to denote an Egyptian monument as having the same shape as the cake, but the shape of the cake is otherwise unknown so this theory remains speculative. The suggested derivation from Egyptian pr-m-us height (of a pyramid) is doubtful.

> < scientific Latin pyrena < ancient Greek πυρήν fruit stone ( < πυρός wheat, grain ( < the same Indo-European base as Old Prussian pure oats, brome-grass, Lithuanian pūrai (plural) winter wheat, Old Church Slavonic pyro spelt, Russian pyrej couch grass, and perhaps furze n.) + -ην , suffix forming nouns) + scientific Latin -a -a suffix1 1.

Mitch

But I do get ads but you can click on them and get 'I do not like this ad' and they'll show you slightly different ads instead

but not political ads.

tchrist

I get no ads. Anywhere.

Mitch

2:24 AM

click bait ads

tchrist

The Five Best Ways to Avoid Click Bait

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes.

I don't get any ads either.

Robusto

Rays of hope in a troubled world.

tchrist

2:46 AM

A journey through their feeds offers a glimpse of how Facebook rewards exaggerations and lies. The influencers amass followers, enhance their reputations, solicit occasional donations and maybe sell a few T-shirts. The rest of us are left with democracy buckling under the weight of citizens living an alternate reality.

Cerberus

Yeah, that is a problem.

But is it also a problem on Instagram?

tchrist

No idea.

Lincoln thought America’s greatest danger lay in "the mobocratic spirit". Plato wasn't fond of it either.

Cerberus

And do you know what he called it?

tchrist

Plato or Lincoln? I can't remember Plato's.

I know I've read it.

Democracy? :)

Cerberus

Ding!

Although I actually meant Aristotle.

But I'm sure Plato liked the common people less than Aristotle.

Actually, it seems I misremembered.

It's ochlocracy.

Mob rule.

tchrist

3:04 AM

Ah there we go.

Good thing Lincoln translated. :)

Cerberus

> Aristotle writes about the cycle of governments in his Politics.[4] He believes the cycle begins with monarchy and ends in anarchy, and that it does not start anew. He also refers to democracy as the degenerate form of rule by the many and calls the virtuous form politeia, which is often translated as constitutional democracy.

Actually, this is what my subconscious meant.

Mitch

But that's a different kind of democracy

Cerberus

He saw democracy as degenerate, is probably more correct.

Yes, but it was about the word he used.

Mitch

far from participation by the population

tchrist

> 1594 R. Ashley tr. L. le Roy Interchangeable Course 16 b There followeth a Democratie; by the outrages, and iniquities whereof, is againe erected the Ochlocratie.

Translating Aristotle.

Cerberus

3:07 AM

Democratia.

Mitch

but then we're talking about mobocracy

Cerberus

He probably has different versions of the cycle of governments.

> All the philosophers believed that this cycling was harmful. The transitions would often be accompanied by violence and turmoil, and a good part of the cycle would be spent with the degenerate forms of government. Aristotle gave a number of options as to how the cycle could be halted or slowed:

Even the most minor changes to basic laws and constitutions must be opposed because over time the small changes will add up to a complete transformation.
* In aristocracies and democracies the tenure of rulers must be kept very short to prevent them from becoming despots

Mitch

anarcho-syndicalism

tchrist

"And does not start anew."

Mitch

I'm just saying things

CowperKettle

3:11 AM

Russia's chief official said that a total of 1.5 mn vaccine doses have been administered, but when different newspapers try to sum up regional reports, they come up with figures of about 300 thousand.

tchrist

> < Middle French, French ochlocratie government by the populace, mob rule (1568 in Le Roy's annotated translation of Aristotle; compare quot. 1594) < Hellenistic Greek ὀχλοκρατία mob rule < ancient Greek ὄχλος crowd, mob, multitude, of unknown origin + -κρατία rule, authority (see -cracy comb. form). Compare Italian oclocrazia (a1550). Compare slightly earlier ochlocratia n.

@CowperKettle Funny how that works. Sounds familiar.

Mitch

'ochlocrat' is a good epithet

tchrist

@Mitch ... is a good epitaph.

Mitch

Oct 17 '18 at 0:16, by Mitch

Let that be my epitaph

tchrist

I guess Trump isn't going to get a state funeral. He's already spent four years lying in state.

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CowperKettle

3:14 AM

The common theme among putinites on Russian web forums and in real life is that the USA is living on borrowed money and will collapse one day due to its huge debt. I've been hearing about US's imminent collapse since maybe 2012. It's like rapture that never seems to come.

Mitch

@tchrist nice

tchrist

@Mitch I knew something smelt offal.

> Pigeon racing has seen a resurgence in popularity, and some birds have become quite valuable. A Chinese pigeon racing fan put down a record price of 1.6 million euros ($1.9 million) in November for a Belgian-bred pigeon.

I bet his name was Tulip.

CowperKettle

> Hydrothorax (serous fluid), hemothorax (blood), urinothorax (urine), chylothorax (chyle), or pyothorax (pus); pneumothorax (air), fibrothorax (fibrotic tissue).

So many thoraxes

tchrist

Thoraces?

Mitch

thoragma

tchrist

3:25 AM

> thorax Forms: Plural ˈthoraxes (rare), or in Latin form thoraces /θɒˈreɪsiːz/.

Yeah, the thoraxes form is marked rare.

Although I have the GOAT vowel there not the CLOTH vowel.

Whoa, look at that stress!

tho RACE eez

Mitch

not NORTH?

tchrist

I don't know what that is.

Mitch

THOR uh seez

tchrist

I perceive my north to be the same vowel as in goat, core.

@Cerberus Does that stress make sense to you on thoraces? Is it because it was a long a on the second syllable?

thorax had a long o and a short a. thoraces changed the length of its a, and in fact now all three vowels were long.

@Mitch I only have tense vowels before R.

Unless I try really, really, really hard to marry merry Mary.

Well, that's not true. Nurse.

It's not noorce or something.

But E and O can only be tense/close for me before R: sorry, tomorrow, berry, carry.

bury

But not Bert and Ernie!!

They're both nurses.

Mitch

yep

tchrist

3:34 AM

horses for courses and hearses for curses

eerie, airy

Uri.

Who is usually but not always Yuri.

Depends how long ago Russia was.

Mitch

or israeli (for oori)

tchrist

Ah thanks.

Mitch

I had been corrected once on that

tchrist

For me, sorry has the vowel of sow not of saw.

@Mitch I only remember those ones too.

Mitch

canadian style?

tchrist

3:39 AM

Just normal I think, unless...do you homophonize sorry and sari?

Mitch

yes. sorry as SORE-eee sounds canadian

to me

tchrist

Hm.

Well, I am from Wisconsin after all.

But I have the father vowel in borrow, just not in sorrow.

I can say a long O in borrow without it bothering me, but it is a learned form if I do. It isn't native.

Mitch

there's a zillion pages on wikipedia about some vowel split or merger of something

tchrist

yeah

But everybody is a little different.

Mitch

and I wonder who figured them all out.

tchrist

3:42 AM

It has to do with what your family did when you were little.

Mitch

and who went to all the trouble to enter all those tiniest of nuances into wikipedia

tchrist

I do certainly remember being taught in grade school that you were "supposed" to say some things and not other things. Like why was "supposed" to be "hw".

Mitch

I don't I heard that in school, but I do remember hearing about that kind of thing as a younger kid

tchrist

But you just can't be arsed to use a long U on you're but a long O on your.

Mitch

but as 'wh' I couldn't imagine saying /hw/

@tchrist yer darn tootin

tchrist

3:45 AM

Hwait, hweren't you a kid in the south? I thought that's a place hwere they do that.

The workfolk from Alabama definitely do so on the Zoom calls.

@Mitch NURSE! He's off his rocker again!

Mitch

@tchrist Suburban Virginia is not particularly Southern.

Somewhat Southern, but not terribly

tchrist

Oh bizarre, I thought you were from further west than that! You're right.

Mitch

it's a continuum

tchrist

It is.

Mitch

people in southern Indiana and Illinois talk more southern like

tchrist

3:52 AM

They really do, at least southern Indiana.

Mitch

also outside of the suburbs a little more accenty

tchrist

Where suburb = a big city's bedroom fringes?

Mitch

not even that fringy... but even n the 70's the suburbs were racing outwards, so things that were the fringes then are, while not central, are deep deep civilizatoin

as much as miles of malls is civilization)

wait

this is nothing new

urban sprawl started in the 50's

the 1850's

and also to every city imaginable in the US.. dang the world.

or rather, "Dang. The World.'

But

tchrist

Where I'm from, malls only happened if you drove all the way to Milwaukee or Madison.

Later on, you could go to Kenosha or Janesville.

Mitch

once the street layout is populated with houses... nothing has changed since. same houses, same stores/buildings.

@tchrist well that's the thing, even the out of the way places, if of a a certain small but not too small size, had the explosion of commercial highways and suburban developments

tchrist

3:57 AM

The CDC expect 100,000 new American deaths in the next 3 weeks.

Mitch

that seems like a lot

tchrist

Yes, maybe I misheard and it's 4 weeks.

Mitch

India and Africa seem to be doing well

@tchrist it's not surprising though

or how do you say it

for everything these days

tchrist

90,000

Mitch

expected but still shocking

tchrist

3:59 AM

> More than 90,000 people in the U.S. could die from COVID-19 in the next three weeks, according to projections from the Centers for Disease Control.

The forecast estimates that by Feb. 6, between 440,000 and 477,000 Americans will have died from the virus since the beginning of the pandemic. If that prediction is accurate, between 53,000 and 90,000 people in the U.S. will die in the next 21 days.

Mitch

Jan 13 '13 at 19:08, by tchrist

Of course he did.

tchrist

CowperKettle

Mitch

he hasn't done anything yet (today?) but

tchrist

@CowperKettle whoa!

More transmissible means more deaths. More lethal doesn't propagate as much.

Cerberus

5:15 AM

@Mitch I rather wonder about that.

I expect them to have really bad reporting.

But they do have a ton of young people, which helps a lot.

@CowperKettle We learned about that in the nineties already, in high school. The twin deficits.

It still hasn't collapsed.

@tchrist In both Latin and Greek, the o is long, and the a is marked as long in the genitive.

So the a is praesumably also long in the nominative, but that is not marked in the dictionaries.

tchrist

@Cerberus In English, do you place the stress on the middle syllable of the plural?

Cerberus

Not until today!

tchrist

Yeah see.

Me neither.

Cerberus

But I'm not sure I've ever pronounced it out loud.

tchrist

Oh the OED has them all marked long.

> < Latin thōrāx, < Greek θώραξ breast-plate, cuirass, also breast, chest.

Cerberus

5:25 AM

Makes sense.

tchrist

Not the Greek alpha. The others.

It was a word I knew when I was 7.

Insect anatomy.

Cerberus

We use Dutch names.

Although I wouldn't remember what it was for insects...

Borststuk

Het borststuk of thorax (Grieks: θώραξ, thōrax = borst) van een insect bevindt zich tussen de kop en het achterlijf. Het bestaat uit drie segmenten en is geheel gewijd aan de voortbeweging. Aan ieder segment zit links en rechts een poot; aan de laatste twee segmenten zit bij gevleugelde insecten links en rechts een vleugel. Vliegen en muggen (diptera) hebben maar 1 paar vleugels aan het tweede segment; het tweede vleugelpaar is hier gemodificeerd tot halters (halteres) en heeft een functie bij het evenwicht en de vluchtstabilisatie. Er zijn fossiele insecten gevonden die aan alle drie de thoracale...

The name makes sense.

Chest piece/part.

tchrist

Why?

stuk I knew.

Cerberus

Good.

tchrist

Not borscht. :)

Cerberus

5:29 AM

Breast.

tchrist

hah

Cerberus

I could have said breast part.

tchrist

Funny lacuna.

Cerberus

Would that have made more sense?

What's the lacuna?

tchrist

Sure.

I don't talk about pechos very much in Germanic. :)

It's some chicken part at KFC. :)

Cerberus

5:30 AM

Men have breasts, too, you know.

Breast (disambiguation)

The breast is the upper ventral region of the torso of a primate. Breast may also refer to: Thorax, or breast, a part of the anatomy of humans and various other animals Breast meat, a part of poultry Chimney breast, a portion of a wall which projects forward over a fireplace The Breast (journal), a medical scientific journal The Breast, a 1972 novella Breasts (film), a 2020 Montenegrin film == See also == Brest (disambiguation)...

tchrist

I know. It's a word one sometimes avoids if one is trying not to be salacious. It is common in birding of course.

Cerberus

And in Tolkien, no doubt.

tchrist

Sure. He didn't avoid it.

English has so many old words grafted into it from the classical languages that not even Dutch has.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Though we have thorax as well.

tchrist

> when the foam of waves down the wind flieth
in spray they sparkle; splashed at evening
in the moon they glitter; moaning, grinding,
in the dark they tumble; drawing and rolling,
when strongbreasted storm the streams driveth
in a war of waters to the walls of land.

"strongbreasted storm"

~ In panoply of ancient kings,               His coat that came from ancient kings
~ in chainéd rings he armoured him;          of chainéd rings was forged of old;
~ his shining shield was scored with runes   his shining shield all wounds defied,
~ to ward all wounds and harm from him;      with runes entwined of dwarven gold.
· his bow was made of dragon-horn,           His bow was made of dragon-horn,
· his arrows shorn of ebony;                 his arrows shorn of ebony,
~ of silver was his habergeon,               of triple steel his habergeon,

"upon his breast an emerald"

The left is the version he published; the right is the version he'd wanted to but couldn't find where he'd mislaid it in time.

Cerberus

5:42 AM

The right version does sound better.

It's bed-time, adeus!

tchrist

night

CowperKettle

6:10 AM

Twin deficits hypothesis

In macroeconomics, the twin deficits hypothesis or the twin deficits phenomenon, is the observation that theoretically, there is a strong causal link between a nation's government budget balance and its current account balance. == Definition == Standard macroeconomic theory points to how a budget deficit can be a contributing factor to a current account deficit. This link can be seen from considering the national accounting model of the economy: Y = C + I + G + ( X − M )...

Thank you, I'll read up

CowperKettle

6:21 AM

CowperKettle

6:58 AM

You can't have your Kate and Edith too

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