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12:00 AM
I'm just looking at the map.
Where your dot seems to be on flatter land.
And the coloured areas all seem to be in more crumpled topography.
The top road is Lee Hill Drive, which turns into Lefthand leading up to the fire.
I'm in the marked area below where it read Wonderland Hills.
The evacuated some of those valleys one ridge west of me.
It could spill over easily.
OK that's pretty close to the ridge.
Those hills look grassy, not forested?
Does that make a difference?
There's timber on the top.
Grasslands on the slopes.
It makes a difference in how hot it will burn.
But both will burn quickly.
Scattered trees come about 20% of the way down.
Trees are not the enemy.
Wind is.
Would it make sense if locals mowed the grass somehow, and carried it away?
Or would that make no difference.
Do you have any idea how much space you're talking?
These are thousands and thousands of acres, and that's just in my backyard alone.
And no, you cannot "mow" it. That would kill everything there!!!! It's prairie habitat. Might as well just drop a nuke and turn it into concrete.
This is protected land.
It is not ours.
We are just visitors. It belongs to the wildlife.
We have millions and millions of acres.
12:18 AM
I meant in place of containment fires, containment mowing on grassland.
Just a strip.
But I'm sure it's not practical, or people would already be doing that.
No, it would not matter.
It's too big.
The fire roared down the slope and jumped the highway and obliterated a homestead east of US-36 already.
Boulder County would have around 200,000 hectares if it were flat. But it's not flat. It extends up about 2 miles on the diagonal for the Z-axis. And it has no end of ridges and mountain rises. It might be half a million real hectares.
And that is just one single country in this state.
What distance would the fire be able to jump?
Burning embers can jump across miles carried by high winds.
You can't stop that.
That is far indeed.
But they are using containment fires.
Various containment strategies, including bulldozers.
12:24 AM
Do they have any idea how long it might take until you have some certainty?
The waiting must be nerve-wrecking.
Some certainty of...?
Of how it will take until you know your house will be safe?
Not months, I hope?
Probably not before the snows fall heavy and wet.
This weekend may see 17 inches up in the fire areas. We'll see.
Oh, that's good.
Even 7 inches would help.
12:26 AM
The weekend is two days away...
Or perhaps three for you.
@CowperKettle That's a huge fire perimeter! :(
The second wave here.
Less urgent.
12:27 AM
We hit 69 degrees today. It was 71 up by the fires I hear.
@CowperKettle It won't open for me.
And Sunday it shall be 8 degrees. And that's in old money, mind you.
@tchrist Sunday and Monday look nice...
That too will help.
12:28 AM
@Cerberus That's odd, that's a very much used page
Yandex is a major Russian company
Probably because I block Javascript.
@Cerberus If I get 7 inches the high parts may get their 17. One can hope.
One hopes.
We're still in our first wave, mounting ever higher and higher.
Nobody cares.
Well, the Republicans don't. And they're in control. So the virus burns.
12:32 AM
Odd sub-waves.
You seem to be in the third sub-save.
But there are probably huge differences between regions.
Germany doesn't seem to have geographic protection.
And it is testing a lot.
So it must be doing something better than most countries.
1:05 AM
@tchrist Let's hope you get the seven inches.
@Cerberus How do you manage on SE sites then?
@Robusto I allow some Javascript on some sites.
You can pick and choose what JS to allow?
What do you allow?
And what do you block?
An example.
1:08 AM
This is what I allow in chat.
I would imagine that you still get breakage.
Actually, those are all the scripts which chat tries to load, currently.
Web programming has changed so much in the nearly five years since I retired. It went heavy frameworks and now people are realizing those don't scale as well as they thought they would.
Which I foresaw and was glad I got out in time.
I can imagine too much dependency leaves one weak.
1:34 AM
I wonder why there are two bones: ulna and radius, but only a single bone from the shoulder to the elbow
In some segments, there are two parallel bones, in others, a single bone.
Perhaps two bones is lighter, and weight is more important in parts of the body farther removed from the core?
It could also have something to do with how our feet and hands turn.
Those bones have a role in that.
@CowperKettle The shoulder has a ball-in-socket construction. It also doesn't need as fine control. The radius does just what it says: it rotates around the ulna. And it maneuvers the hand at a higher level of mobility so that the fingers may move in finer and finer motions.
Imagine if you could only pick up a cup of coffee without rotating your forearm. You would be spilling on your pants every time.
If you look how the radius is joined to the hand, that should tell you everything. The ulna is the platform that doesn't move. The radius does. It's really that simple.
@Cerberus Jinx, kind of.
@Robusto Indeed.
1:41 AM
@tchrist: Tried the Epley Maneuver yet?
@Robusto I have not.
You should give it a go. It's not dangerous.
@Robusto No chirocrackers!
@tchrist Well, it's not chiropractic. It's what my MD did for me.
Something seems to have messed with our footthumbs!
1:44 AM
It has nothing to do with cracking.
@tchrist And it's a damn good thing. Imagine if we had prehensile feet and composers started writing piano music for four hands, one player!
Organ pedals are bad enough, but just think how bad it would be if there were hands down there too.
I have enough on my plate playing with two hands, thank you very much.
@Robusto Bach seemed to write four-handed pieces for one keyboardist. :)
Don't even bring up Bach.
> Essentially, what some studies have found is that a reduction in the size of the supraspinatus fossa in the human scapula- where the ball of the humerus inserts into the socket of the shoulder blade- contributes to the weakness of this joint when compared with that of the Great Apes. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3936073
> So this would be the principal difference between the shoulder joint of a chimp and that of a human. The ball is the same size in chimps but the socket is larger, with greater surface area making contact.
Oct 2 '19 at 0:21, by RegDwigнt
I was just about to say, I am pausing to think real hard if I ever had to do that at all outside of Bach.
Oct 2 '19 at 0:22, by Robusto
> The keyboard music of Johann Sebastian Bach cannot be called piano music, but there is one magnificent exception. Many musicians consider the six-voice ricercare from ''The Musical Offering'' to be his greatest fugue, and I would choose this as the most significant piano work of the millennium, as it is perhaps the first piece composed for the recently invented piano -- at least, the first piece that a composer knew would certainly be played on a piano.
1:48 AM
I was talking about trills between the 4-5 fingers.
Man I hate those.
Why only of that millennium?
I don't know. It's a paean from the New York Times.
> Along with that other great keyboard work of Bach's last years, ''The Art of Fugue,'' the six-voice ricercare is among the greatest achievements of Western European civilization, and like ''The Art of Fugue'' and ''The Well-Tempered Clavier'' (or Keyboard), it was intended for performance on any of the keyboard instruments that one could find at home -- harpsichord, clavichord, small portable organ or early piano. It goes well on all of them.
But if Frederick the Great finally listened to it, he would have heard it on one of his Silbermann pianofortes.
@tchrist I don't know a single person who likes them.
If at all possible, I arrange to cheat and use 1-2 or 2-3. I just can't do 4-5 worth listening to, to my own mind.
> The theme is noble, and Bach's development has a richness and a depth of expression that he never surpassed. Like ''The Art of Fugue,'' the ricercare has been arranged for other instruments, but it is essentially a work that has to be played on a keyboard.
It can be appreciated above all by the performer: listening is only a poor second for the musical experience of immersing oneself actively in the polyphony, which here has an emotional and physically expressive impact rarely found in a work of music. It is a piece for meditation. The large-scale form is easy to grasp, and the texture is
1:53 AM
I used to hate hearing Bach on the piano because it wasn't echt. I've changed my mind as I've gotten older.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Did you happen to go through these yet?
@tchrist Playing them?
@Robusto No, just listening.
1:55 AM
Oh, of course.
Many times.
The harpsichord La Marche des Scythes is just wicked, isn't it?
I've never played it.
Me neither. His Cat Fugue is more my speed.
Sorry, Scarlatti's.
Was just thinking about harpsichord pieces.
cooks supper
I think my technic and my ambition are both insufficient to play the Royer.
> This prelude on “Aus tiefer Not,” a hymn of pleading and penitence, is the central panel of a monumental cycle of chorales often called the German Organ Mass, best thought of as Bach’s altarpiece for his own instrument. Cast in six parts — four for the hands and two for the feet — and glancing back to the polyphony of the Renaissance, it’s intimidating, impersonal, immense, pushing you to your knees in prayer before brightening only at the end, as your ears draw you heavenward in hope.
Okay fine, so he's a hexapod. You gotta problem with that?
2:04 AM
@tchrist That's nice.
Sep 19 at 16:58, by tchrist
@Robusto So I'm up in the shower when I hear someone play G4 downstairs on the piano. This was troubling because there was nobody else in the house but the doors were all standing wide open. Receiving no answer to "Who's there?" I put myself together quickly and investigated. Kitty Lorin was curled up on the piano bench in the morning sun.
Well, at least he knows its first note, eh? :)
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3:53 AM
See that 386 reading? It says: Don't go to Estes Park (gateway to Rocky Mountain National Park) without a sealed gas mask.
1 hour later…
4:58 AM
That's not a Purple Air "low-quality sensor" reading. That's one of the official ones.
I'm not 100% sure what's got itself backed up into there, but I'm guessing it's from Cameron Peak.
So many creatures choking.
There will be more fallen flocks of dead birds by the myriad again.
The canaries are dead.
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6:43 AM
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12:27 PM
That terrible smoke plume last night was the East Troublesome fire blowing up superbig. It's hard to get good data yet, but it seems to have gone from 19,000 acres to between 2 and 8 times that. They've evacuated another town on the other side of the Divide.
We are having short blizzards
We need a long blizzard. Might get one this weekend.
It's nice to jog in such weather
The guy had the smell of coffee wafting around him when he overpassed me. On the traffic stop I saw him finish the cup.
It's a delivery guy.
Яндекс.Еда means Yandex.Food
Some 18th century machinery in the center.
"sheet-rolling cage"
Late 19th century.
Neivo-Shaitansky Factory
The center of the town is called Plotinka, or "Little Dam", it's where the first water-wheel factory was launched in 1723
Now it's a nice public space with a park and a pond.
The factories produced metal ingots and metal produce, and it was shipped along a network of rivers to the west, to Moscow
A matryoshka with a spray can
Your mother's work?
No, it's just a picture on a wall in the city center
Near there the Beatles memorial is located
A monument to the Decembrists (the decembrist revolt, 1825)
12:37 PM
Yesterday, the East Troublesome Fire grew 6x. That was what I was trembling seeing yesterday. It's now over 125,000 acres.
Yes. They evacuated that town, in a mad rush, last night.
This is why Estes Park / Rocky Mountain National Park currently have an Air Quality Index of 425 = Hazardous.
I hope they manage to bring it under control
This will be hard. We've never seen a fire do this here.
> The #EastTroublesomeFire has EXPLODED in size overnight, now at 125,677 estimated acres. Instantly the 4th largest wildfire in #Colorado history
I KNEW what I was seeing in the sky, the pyrocumulus clouds, heralded some terrible disaster unfolding. It was too huge not to be that. They rose to 40,000 feet. The airplane photography is staggering.
Maybe the more federal land, the more wild forests?
12:47 PM
Yes, and we have no federal government right now.
But they cut down all their forests in the east part of the country. We still have ours.
It's a huge amount of land. Might as well suggest people rake the forests of Siberia.
The rising temperatures have beetle-killed huge tracts of land, leaving dead coniferous forests just waiting to flash into a massive forest fire. It keeps happening. It hasn't been cold enough to kill the beetles.
Nor wet enough to drive them out.
@tchrist Nice.
But these aren't all dead forests going up in flames.
An epocal event. A third electric car charging station has been opened in Yekaterinburg. The first two stations have been functioning since 2015. e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-69513805.html
A month ago, all electric car owners in Yekaterinburg did a collective ride to bring attention to the sparcity of charging stations. All owners = 10 persons.
@CowperKettle An overpass is a raised portion of one road that goes over another one. A vehicle coming from behind can overtake you or pass you, It doesn't overpass you.
12:57 PM
They won't even know how big it is for sure until they overfly it with aircraft mapping it this morning once dawn breaks.
The national news is still citing yesterday's 19k-acre figure. They have no idea.
@CowperKettle That's certainly true of Maine. When you drive through it, it looks like one continuous forest, but if you turn off the interstate you see that it's just a thin veneer of trees, and the inland areas have been clearcut by the lumber companies.
@tchrist This is not good news.
Nice thing about drunk driving in a tank, who's going to stop you?
1:04 PM
Initial reports suggest that overnight the firefighters saved the town, and the western buildings in Rocky Mountain National Park. Expect news to come in over the next 1-3 hours.
Oh fuck, I can't even see the tops of the hills behind my house, the smoke is so thick. It looks like a cloud sitting on it, or fog. It isn't: we're clear.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer (173): What's a word for a blamer who blames others for their own guilt? by Jay on english.SE
"Smoke Detector"
That's hard to even imagine.
2:06 PM
@tchrist Where do people evacuate to?
@Robusto Order tells them to flee south on US-34. And RMNP is closed on the west side except for fleeing refugees.
Snow could make fleeing impossible, at least out the west side.
It will, soon enough, but not soon enough, if you know what I mean.
South on US-34 takes them to Granby and Winter Park, then down to I-70.
I don't think Trail Ridge Road is open to cross the Divide through RMNP.
It's the passes that shut things down.
I can recall trying to go through there in June and being defeated by snow.
Might have been late May.
2:20 PM
That was west of RMNP, on highway 40.
Wow, right now you're looking at five major fires. Two of them are gargantuan.
It's like fate is conspiring to seal Estes Park off from the world before it snuffs it out.
Not very many roads open left.
And those are AQI figures.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Not that I would be sad to see Estes Park's commerciality go, mind, but not like this.
I guess there's a lot of ash falling like snow over there now. The cloud on my hills looks so much like a snow cloud coming down, but it is not.
2:35 PM
When is the snow due in?
I can't get WU to show an extended forecast for that area.
Must be server issues. Too many people want to know too much.
It's burning at a rate of 6,000 acres/hour.
I can't get anything out of WU right now. Even from my local stations.
mac(tchrist)% units '6000 acres/hour' 'mile^2/day'
	* 225
	/ 0.0044444444
225 is 15**2 miles. In the past day.
Three more days of that would be unthinkable.
It already is.
Hard to imagine.
2:54 PM
@tchrist Your shot?
@Robusto Kinda. Is my cell phone's fake camera.
Not a great sunrise. Not a sunrise at all.
That was last night.
This morning, the sun did not rise.
Beautiful nature, it must be great to run there. I hope there are no snakes though.
3:00 PM
@CowperKettle A good many, but the only venomous ones this high are the rattlesnakes.
Rattlesnakes down here, too. But most of the rattlers you "see" are actually bull snakes.
The hilltops are covered in thick smoke a few hundred feet up.
@Robusto I know how to tell the difference.
My cats bring me the newborn snakelets of both species regularly enough.
I just heard a Broad-Tailed Hummingbird outside. I doubt he'll make it before we hit 18 degrees tonight or 7 degrees on Sunday.
I rode right past a real rattlesnake going up—wait for it—Snake Hill to Mesa del Sol. It was next to the curb and I thought at first it was a dirty piece of rope that fell off a truck or something like that. I only saw that it was a rattlesnake when my right pedal came about a foot from its head.
In this weather, I'm sure the snakes a looking for a mesa del sol wherever they can find one.
3:05 PM
Last night, not this morning.
@ 2020-10-21 15:39:06 MDT.
You don't see things like that without there being a major disaster in the making somewhere nearby.
@Robusto Pues entonces que lo castren de repente.
Only the faint dark white plume rising up near the hilltop left of center is from the nearby Calwood Fire. The massive disaster plume is from the exploding East Troublesome.
@tchrist Amen.
3:20 PM
@Robusto Do you carry an antidote? Or maybe bites are extremely rare?
@CowperKettle I've never been bitten. I don't carry an antivenin, since I very very seldom see even a bull snake, much less a rattler. I'm a road biker, not a mountain biker. If I did a lot of mountain biking I might think differently.
I even carried a special red syringe for rapid resuscitation in case of a hypoglycemia. I'm very careful ))
A syringe that makes all the sugar in your liver to rapidly flood into the blood.
Glucagon rescue is the emergency injection of glucagon in case of severe diabetic hypoglycemia. It is needed during seizures and/or unconsciousness by an insulin user who is unable at that point to help themselves. Glucagon will facilitate the release of stored glucose back into the bloodstream, raising the blood glucose level. Rescue has been simplified by the development of the glucagon hypoglycemia rescue kit, consisting of: biosynthetic human glucagon, in a freeze dried form within a vial, a sturdy syringe, pre-filled with a sterile diluting solution, and a conspicuous red or orange colored...
But then I switched to just carrying a lot of sweets at all times.
I put them into little plastic containers and into all pockets, into bicycle bags, etc.
Gummy bears (German: Gummibär) are small, fruit gum candies, similar to a jelly baby in some English-speaking countries. The candy is roughly 2 cm (0.8 in) long and shaped in the form of a bear. The gummy bear is one of many gummies, popular gelatin-based candies sold in a variety of shapes and colors. == History == The gummy bear originated in Germany, where it is popular under the name Gummibär (gum or gummy bear), or in the endearing form Gummibärchen ([little] gum or gummy bear). Gum arabic was the original base ingredient used to produce the gummy bears, hence the name gum or gummy. Hans...
These sweets.
They seem to last long.
You're diabetic?
Sorry to hear it.
3:27 PM
There are no dangerous snakes in the Urals. There are dangerous bears
@Robusto I have a very mild diabetes, probably MODY, that tends to go away, then return.
@CowperKettle Isn't dangerous bears tautological?
@tchrist Yes, probably ))
Well, how about Gummi Bears?
They are most dangerous in the spring then they go out of their sleep.
Probably not so dangerous in the summer and autumn.
@CowperKettle Here in America the giant Ursus arctos horribilis (so-called "brown" bear, grizzly bear, Kodiak bear) are more feared than the medium-sized Ursus americanus (so called "black" bear but in many colors) but either is perfectly up to the job of ripping your face off while disembowelling you with the other paw, all without breaking a sweat or trying very hard.
4:09 PM
@tchrist What does beetle-killed mean in this context? If it literally means beetles were killed, why is that significant?
4:40 PM
@Robusto I did a rafting trip in Maine and was so impressed with the utter solitude of the thick trees lining the waterway. And then out of curiosity google earthed it and it was as though they cut down all the trees over the entire area right up to the river. Almost like a potemkin village of trees along the river.
5:24 PM
@FaheemMitha I would expect "beetle-killed" to mean "killed by beetles" not "killed beetles".
@M.A.R. Ah. Perhaps yes. In any case, I wasn't, and still am not, sure how to interpret
> The rising temperatures have beetle-killed huge tracts of land
Do rising temperatures cause more beetles, perhaps?
Well, I guess certain forms of beetles are scary pests that clear areas of land
@M.A.R. My knowledge of North America ecology could be written on a postage stamp, so I have no idea.
The mountain pine beetle has killed large numbers of the lodgepole pine trees in the northern mountains of the US state of Colorado. The more recent outbreak of another bark beetle pest, the spruce beetle, is threatening higher-elevation forests of Engelmann spruce. Chemical prevention is effective but too costly for large-scale use. Dead trees increase the incidence of wildfires, and may contribute to climate change as they decay. Uses have been found for the dead wood including composting and in construction, and potentially to make biochar. == Statistics == Mountain pine beetles infest the...
5:33 PM
I see. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_bark_beetle_infestation explains that climate change has improved conditions for the beetles.
5:44 PM
> Humans are born with a part of the brain that is prewired to be receptive to seeing words and letters, setting the stage at birth for people to learn how to read, a new study suggests. medicalxpress.com/news/…
> The researchers analyzed fMRI scans of the brains of 40 newborns, all less than a week old, who were part of the Developing Human Connectome Project.
The visual word form area (VWFA) is a functional region of the left fusiform gyrus and surrounding cortex (right-hand side being part of the fusiform face area) that is hypothesized to be involved in identifying words and letters from lower-level shape images, prior to association with phonology or semantics. Because the alphabet is relatively new in human evolution, it is unlikely that this region developed as a result of selection pressures related to word recognition per se; however, this region may be highly specialized for certain types of shapes that occur naturally in the environment and...
Are wildfires common elsewhere? I've not heard much about them in other places.
> On 31 July 2019, Russian authorities reported that 3 million hectares (7.4 million acres; 30,000 km2) were on fire, an area roughly the size of Belgium.
> According to NASA data, on 31 July the smoke from burning Siberian forests reached the territory of Alaska and, possibly mixed with smoke from local fires, reached the western coast of Canada.
The 2019 Siberian wildfires began in July 2019 in poorly accessible areas of northern Krasnoyarsk Krai, Sakha Republic and Zabaykalsky Krai, all in Siberia, Russia. By the end of the month the size of the fires reached 2,600,000 hectares (6,400,000 acres). As of 30 July, there have been no reported deaths or injuries due to the fires.The 2019 Siberia wildfires generated significant publicity, especially among the social media users. As a result, a process of reviewing legal regulations regarding forest protection and forest fire extinguishing activities has started at the state level. == Extent... ==
Moscow, 6 August 2010, smoke from fires
6:05 PM
@CowperKettle Thank you for the link. I should have guessed Siberia would have forest fires too.
@Robusto It's jumped the Divide and is driving into RMNP and Estes now. They're evacuating the western parts of Estes.
Heartbreaking. No words.
I hope everybody prepared all their belongings in advance before evacuation.
> The Stanley Hotel inspired Stephen King to write the novel The Shining. He checked into the hotel in 1973 for a one-night stay with his wife Tabitha. (Estes Park)
6:39 PM
@CowperKettle I don't think it has gotten so far as that yet.
But it may. This is soul-crushing.
@CowperKettle Nobody thought these could cross the Continental Divide, given how that's thousands of feet above timberline.
@tchrist That's tragic.
I'm sorry to hear it.
@Mitch Was that the Dead River trip? When I lived in Sudbury my neighbor wanted me to do that with him, but when I saw there were Cat 4+ rapids I decided discretion was the better part of valor.
7:11 PM
@Robusto it was the kennebec river, below s dsm so that the difficulty of the water was very controllable. There were rapids sure but 4+ sounds like some james bond falling out of the sky thing
This was a family thing. When there weren't rapids mean and my son jumped off into the river and floated along with the raft.
We weren't in fear for our lives
Yeah. I would have gone on that kind of rafting trip.
If like to eventually do a grand canyon raft trip but that might be too... much
And then there was the name: "Dead River" ... it just creeped me out.
@Mitch I would do that one.
7:16 PM
Along the kennebec the raft people had strung up some mannequins in those rescue body carriers
It was funny
We did one on the Yellowstone River with the whole family, back in 1998. It started out fun and then we got a terrific thunder storm that was blasting lightning down all around us. I made the kids sit in the middle of the raft. And then, ten minutes later, the sun was out and we were all smiling again.
@Robusto when there are tourist trips to mars I want to do the ' bike trip down mount olympus' all downhill and flat for like a hundred miles
Good luck with that.
@Robusto holy crap. Lightning around a boat where you can't really run and hide
@Robusto thanks. I'm saving up.
@Mitch Yep.
@Mitch Understand that in addition to the cosmic rays and lack of atmosphere there's the whole matter of the perchlorate-rich soil, which is toxic to humans. I'm sure there are other things really nice about it, though.
Q: Does my plugin work?

KilgorezerI would like to see if this file is correct./9 This is the source CSS file .make.oval {border-radius: 50%;} .make.sqare {border-radius: 0%} .make.round {border-radius: 0.5cm;}

Uh, we don't do plugins on EL&U.
And so he answers his own question:
A: Does my plugin work?

kilgorezer 2I think it does. Unless make is unintencinal

This must be the first time ever that the words "Unless make is unintencinal" have been recorded in English, or something like it.
7:39 PM
> Little known fact about me: I carry a stone in my pocket to throw at anyone who plays Christmas music in October. I call it my 'Jingle Bell Rock'.
7:52 PM
@Robusto does "ci" sound /ʃ/ anywhere?
@M.A.R. If you have a speech impediment, perhaps.
tongue stuck to the palate
Sounds like a GoT character death
Or Daffy Duck.
As done by Mel Blanc, of course.
@tchrist When you have 60 mph winds they can move sparks a long way in a short time.
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