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Q: Auto review comments can save you time

It's more like an Internet family.

user288256

@Tonepoet Ping!

user288256

Hope I didn't wake you up

user288256

10:10 AM

@Justwinbaby oh okay.

Færd

10:51 AM

@Cerberus BBC's Planet Earth. Haha! Did I cheat?

You can watch them on computer though, eh? (Just joking)

I'll give Yes Minister a try. I remember once you commended one of its scenes for its good English.

Andrew Leach

11:13 AM

@NVZ Yes, I have a number of stock comments for use with the Chrome extension.

NVZ

@AndrewLeach Yeah. Can I have them?

I use the extension too.

I even made a meta post today inviting others to try it.

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There is an extension available for Google Chrome called AutoReviewComments, which can save you time if you frequently use the review queues, or respond to posts in comments, and I've been using it for quite a while. Install it → Read instructions → Use it. Ask me questions, when you have them....

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Andrew Leach

I think it's better to write your own. It's more individual. There have been misgivings expressed in the past about the stock "From review" comments.

NVZ

I will, of course, change the wordings as needed, when the situation arrives.

Andrew Leach

Of course, there's nothing stopping you ~~stealing~~ being inspired by other's stock comments.

Hmm. I can never remember stirkeout syntax.

NVZ

I have prepared a list already, a list I have been using for over a year now.

But yours appear more resourceful (and authoritative, because you are a moderator).

Hence, I ask.

Shafizadeh

11:48 AM

What does "pov" mean in porn-ish things? in general, it means "point of view". But I hardly think that meaning be the one in the porn-ish things.

user288256

12:04 PM

@Shafizadeh Erm, hate to explain this but it means the porn is being filmed in the first person perspective.

12:15 PM

since it takes two to tango there are actually two points of view

user288256

12:29 PM

And I used to always mix up "kink" and "fetish" until I Googled

user288256

Until I Googled the meaning I mean.

sex-talk has its own vocabulary

Shafizadeh

@Ghalib thx

@Ghalib I usually use headphones when I'm at the computer these days, so even if I was asleep, there's no way a ping could have awoken me, because I don't wear headphones when I'm asleep.

user288256

@Tonepoet Okay, that's good to hear.

user288256

12:39 PM

Same here, I'm wearing headphones as we speak but I have disabled the ping sound.

So what did you want from me anyway?

user288256

Um, nothing, I got my answer but you can see the context above.

user288256

I was asking about "fam"

I am not sure about it. It sounds like valley girl talk, or as it is now known valleyspeak/valspeak

user288256

@Tonepoet That word is quite common in informal conversations on the internet these days. I didn't use to see it a few years ago.

user288256

12:45 PM

My perception might be wrong, it is only based on what I have noticed.

It is probably an extension of "bro".

Internet brother.

or even Union Brother

There's also that song "We are family, I got all my sisters with me."

@Ghalib People stopped using valspeak shortly after the 1990s. It was considered a very ditsy way of speaking, used largely by the spoiled teenage daughters of rich families. I most commonly saw it on sitcoms, and especially the ones that were set in a high-school environment, like Saved by the Bell.

user288256

@Tonepoet Hm it doesn't sound like valleyspeak to me. Even hardcore people use it. Like the word "kiddo". Example "Give it a break, fam". It is informal talk.

user288256

Btw "kiddo" can be used in a non patronizing sense too right? It is just that I'm so much used to seeing it in a humourous way that I have almost forgotten its other meaning, that other polite meaning that we use when we talk to a younger person.

user288256

Or maybe it is always condescending? Not sure.

12:56 PM

I can not say for certain, since I am largely unfamiliar with this word/abbreviation.

user288256

@Tonepoet Yeah, I too have come across "valley speak" only on TV

@Ghalib I know it's common, but I wouldn't use the word patronize to simply mean demean. If I used the word patronize in a demeaning way, it would be aiding/defending somebody in an overly defensive way. As an example "Don't patronize me!" would mean *don't try to help me or protect me", usually with the circumstantial implication that I can independently justify my own actions in an argument, or don't need to have my feelings spared.

user288256

@Tonepoet Erm what? Tone you are mixing up its definitions I guess. It has two meanings. One is "To treat someone in a condescending manner." and the other meaning to "support or sponsor". There is a difference, and I don't think you could use "aiding/defending somebody" sense in a "Don't patronize me!" sentence. That sentence will have to use the "To treat someone in a condescending manner." meaning.

user288256

1:12 PM

But as you know, I'm a non native speaker, so if you can prove me wrong then by all means. I'm all ears.

hi @Gigili

@Ghalib This is more about the historical development of figurative use than anything else. You'll note that in the link I provided, the condescending meaning was not yet recorded.

user288256

@Tonepoet Yeah I know. I read that other meaning in AHD.

user288256

@Tonepoet So why use the old definition? It only complicates things.

Gigili

'ello.

1:18 PM

how are you?

@Ghalib Whatever others might have you believe, complicating matters isn't always bad. Thoughts can already be infinitely complex, and it is the job of language to communicate those thoughts. A greater variety of significations allows that to be done more accurately. Additionally, much of the beauty in the language is lost when a figurative sense of a word is added to a lexicon, since the point of a figure of speech, as opposed to a word the intended import, is to have people figure it out.

user288256

@Tonepoet Got it, professor. By the way, I will talk to you later. Time to drink some tea and eat some toast now. :P

user288256

I would share it with you but we are on the internet.

@Ghalib I hope the tea turns out good.

1:52 PM

@Ghalib That reminds me of a joke

but when I googled for it I found it on Quora and a dating advice site, and so all humor has been drained from it.

@Mitch Has a joke being all dried up ever stopped you from making it before? =P

@Tonepoet I don't understand?

@Ghalib I have a question for you. What is the first day of the work week for you (and most people around you)? is it today (Sunday Jun 25) or yesterday or tomorrow?

And does Eid really mess that up?

@Tonepoet haha... wait...what?

I had never heard those dad jokes before last week. I am innocent. With respect to those couple of jokes

@Tonepoet but like all ingroup vernaculars, they continue there and also have slowly crept into popular usage so that we don't even notice. Totally.

of course no one uses 'tubular' and probably didn't even back then

gnarly is still used for troublesome waves and difficult situations.

excellent is practically mainstream, dude.

I don't know if you're trying to be a valley girl, a surfer or a ninja turtle ...

Exactly

2:02 PM

Not quite exactly, since none of those things are exactly normal. XP

And naturally, the most normal of these things is the Ninja Turtle. >_>

perhaps some combination...

<_<

@Ghalib I had never heard of this until you just mentioned it here now. UD, as far as one can trust it, confirms your intuitions. What kind of chat rooms traffic in this sort of usage?

tight nit groups

mostly high schoolers

@Justwinbaby ahh.. chatrooms to discuss how to remove lice?

@Mitch I wouldn't trust U.D. at all, except perhaps for maybe the printed out selection, because it underwent some editorial control. It actually has a relatively decent definition of the word "Glomp" as it is used by the anime community, which is something no other dictionary has yet covered to my knowledge, although I have my doubts about "yuppie food stamp" referring to a $20 bill.

2:10 PM

@Tonepoet 'at all' is a bit strong. You can get some vague idea of a word, and a little confirmation bias isn't terrible

@Mitch sorta kinda

I haven't been able to get a straight idea of what 'ratched' really means from it.

and sure many individual words are just not covered well.

they all seem to interpret any word with sexual innuendo where the reality is not so specific.

sex sells

eg 'hey oh'

@Mitch My only complaint is that I can not express the sentiment more strongly. Unless I am already acquainted with a term in it, I'll always suspect that somebody is playing a prank or trying to legitimize their neologism.

2:13 PM

wait...reading that entry isn't what I remember

there was a McWhorter podcast about something like that a few weeks back and they referred to UD

Are you an English Professor? @Tonepoet

@Tonepoet oh certainly. people put all sorts of crap in there. they had a drunken conversation, said something idiotic that with beer-headphone sounded hilarious and they added it to UD at that time, right before vomiting and passing out.

@Justwinbaby No. Mitch started calling me professor with a hint of sarcastic irony, to indicate what I was saying was common knowledge, and then Ghalib picked it up from there.

I see.

It was more for dramatic irony. Or was it denouement?

Oh, re castng in Star Trek, I have been admonished in real life. Of course they were totally revolutionary in their casting in TOS. And though they didn't really extend the envelope very quickly in later seasons they still tried.

This all came out of watching a handful of TOS episodes and noting that even though many of the main cast (and corresponding characters) were non-WASP, it seemed like every single non-speaking extra was white-white-white (and male).

I thin 538 should do a numerical analysis of all the series and their cast.

That would satisfy me.

That and some oreos and milk

2:24 PM

@Mitch What does W.A.S.P. mean?

WASP is... googlabe but I can say...

White Angle-Saxon Protestant

the country club set (well, that's an extremely small subset but it gives you an idea)

So it excludes Irish and Catholic (and Irish Catholic?)

I can't tell if it really excludes Scots because that ain't Anglo-Saxon but the Scots are the source of a lot of US mainstream moneyed elite

So of TOS, Shatner (though Jewish) passes for WASP and McCoy, the 'country' doctor character definitely.

But Scotty is 'ethnic' Scot

Nimoy, as Vulcan and sciency and legalistic, is a Jewish stand in (but actually is Jewish). So not WASPy at all

not to be confused with WOP

Why do Catholics get excluded?

they are not Protestant

@Justwinbaby that's more of a derogatory term