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9:00 AM
"Bride, bridal; guide, guidance; plume, plumage; use, usable, usage; grieve, grievance; come, coming; shape, shaping; move, movable; sale, salable; fleece, fleecy; force, forcible; true, truism." Merriam-Webster's New International Dictionary Second Edition
 
user227867
I say 'he was cheated of his money' all the time, yet some folks on ELU say this is wrong.
 
user227867
I think they need to do more research before saying I am wrong. I was severely downvoted on this before.
 
user227867
'Cheated out of his money' is correct, but so is my variant.
 
@Tonepoet Fair enough. Although I feel that the -able eats its silent e less often than the others. Still, point taken.
 
There are exceptions too, but I think following the general rule is advisable in a case like this where both forms are otherwise accepted.
Oh wait, it has a sentence near the end regarding -able.
 
user227867
9:05 AM
WTF, the candidates have written their theses on the election questions, lol. So long...
 
"In derivatives in -able, as [...], usage is divided and often inconsistent n various writings of the same authors."
 
user227867
WTF, I can't vote in this election, because I don't have enough rep, lol.
 
@Eugene Savable is the form found in Noah Webster's dictionary though, so I still recommend dropping the e.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet You think very highly of Mr Webster. =)
 
Virtually everybody names their dictionaries after the man, except he himself. Merriam-Webster built their name on his.
 
user227867
9:12 AM
I am sorry I forgot. What dictionary would you recommend me?
 
What's your goal?
 
user227867
@tchrist The font is ugly.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet I just want to listen to a great man like you.
 
user227867
No specific goal.
 
Well you already know how highly I think of Webster. He's far greater than I when it comes to using words. Most of my advice in my answers is derived from his definitions, although I might use another dictionary to illustrate the point more clearly.
However, Webster's vocabulary was limited to his period...
 
user227867
9:16 AM
So...
 
The OED (which trumps Webster) has both although it considers savable the standard:
> savable, saveable /ˈseɪvəb(ə)l/, a.
Also 5 sauvable.

Etymology: f. save v. + -able. Cf. OFr. sauvable, salvable.

Capable of being saved; orig. chiefly in Theol. sense. Cf. salvable a.1

C. 1450 Mirour Saluacioun (Roxb.) 103 ― Nowe in it be cristis vertue growes the noumbre of the sauuable.
1530 Palsgr. 323/1 ― Savable, saluable.
1638 Chillingw. Relig. Prot. i. Pref. §39 ― Those who doe subscribe them are in a saveable condition.
1751 [J. Young] Affect. Narr. of Wager 25 ― Our unfortunate Lot was cast, where our Lives were however saveable.
 
@Jasper Sometimes I defer to Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary 1913, or The American Heritage series of Dictionaries. I also respect the Century Dictionary of Cyclopedia. I might incorporate The Imperial Dictionary into my flowchart. Which dictionary I use, usually depends upon how old the word is.
 
user227867
The Collins English Dictionary is beautifully bound. That is enough reason to get it, lol
 
user227867
I must say I prefer primarily British dictionaries though, because I grew up with British English instead of American English.
 
9:24 AM
Hmm, I don't have too much experience with them. Just Collins and the O.E.D. I don't think the O.E.D. is a very good dictionary for figuring out the best use of a word though. It's more of a last resort for when you can't find a word in other dictionaries, or none of the provided definitions helps you to understand what was meant.
 
user227867
Well, you need to pay quite a lot to subscribe to OED outside the UK, unless your uni has it.
 
Eeeh, that's not entirely true...
 
user227867
The ODE is also very good.
 
9:27 AM
Nine out of the ten original volumes are public domain under U.S. law, since copyright protection expired.
 
user227867
I have 1 subscriber to my youtube channel, but I don't know who it is. =)
 
Ah, I have no subscriptions on youtube so it's not me.
I just memorize the usernames of the people I like to watch.
 
user227867
Let me show you a video of a kid I admire.
 
@terdon How do you figure that it states that savable is standard?
 
user227867
9:32 AM
He's gonna be the next Justin Bieber, that kid.
 
@JasperLoy Eeeek! I never thought it was possible but he's even worse. At least Bieber can (sort of) sing. This kid isn't even trying. They're doing everything with tone correction software.
They just found a cute kid who'd work to bring in the money and use the software to make him sound halfway decent.
 
user227867
He's soooooooooo cute. I am not paedophile, don't worry.
 
@JasperLoy Wow. He just looks annoying to me.
@Tonepoet For one thing, the entry for saveable redirects to savable.
 
That's suggestive at least.
 
user227867
Yeah, dictionaries often have a main entry and the rest redirect to it.
 
9:37 AM
@Tonepoet Also, savable is listed first and saveable second. The main thing was that the entry for saveable just said:
> saveable: see savable.
 
Are you sure this isn't just a preference for alphabetic order? Any vb- entry would be ahead of any ve- entry.
 
@Tonepoet Pretty sure, yes.
 
Well you'll get no argument from me then. That's the spelling I was advising from the start and none of the sources I've seen seem to dissent. XP
 
user227867
When I look at the two spellings, I don't particularly like one over the other, so I am neutral.
 
9:44 AM
Thank you guys once again.
 
user227867
I always wonder whether to spell judgment or judgement, lol
 
You're welcome @Eugene.
 
user227867
pronunciation and occurrence are often misspelled as pronounciation and occurence on elu
 
user227867
maybe i should type all small letters in chat, like this, and without the terminal full stop, like this
 
user227867
9:49 AM
What I don't like about the hardback ODE is that it does not give IPA for all the words.
 
user227867
It already costs so much, why not just give all the damn IPA?
 
user227867
The reason given is that native speakers don't need IPA for simple words.
 
What do you think of the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary?
 
user227867
Well, they say it is a reference work and so this time they give IPA for all the words, lol.
 
user227867
But I don't like things in 2 volumes. Just too heavy and too big.
 
user227867
9:53 AM
I think American dictionaries should try to give IPA instead of the other thing.
 
user227867
The idea of using a magnifying glass is not good
 
user227867
I did not like the current edition of the Cambridge Advanced Learner's.
 
user227867
First, there are actually typos in the editor's preface, lol
 
user227867
That is really not good.
 
9:57 AM
@Tonepoet Yeah, but the numbers are so low, I don't think you can infer much from it.
@Tonepoet My Dad has a beautiful edition of the CEOED from the late 60ies, early 70ies. I love that dictionary.
 
user227867
@terdon Hmm, I did not know you are Ubuntu mod as well =)
 
With or without the third volume supplement?
It makes a huge difference.
 
@JasperLoy Recently became one, yes. About a couple of months ago, I think.
 
user227867
Can we get a brand new CEOED now?
 
@Tonepoet Without, sadly
 
10:00 AM
@Jasper Yes but the print is even smaller because they decided to cram 20 volumes into 1!
It's not as complete as the online edition though.
 
user227867
The price is also obscene.
 
user227867
I am now tempted to get this @Tonepoet
 
Keep in mind that it's only a collegiate level dictionary, if I recall correctly. It's not going to have as many words as the Collins you like.
Also there's one thing I dislike about the print edition of the Am. heritage Dictionary, specifically how it handles illustrations.
There's an inch wide margin on each page reserved for pictures, regardless of whether they're needed or not.
 
user227867
MW Collegiate has not been updated since 2003?!
 
10:14 AM
The 12th edition is the latest. Which one are you looking at?
 
user227867
Oh, I need to find that one then. I am on Amazon US
 
Maybe I'm mistaken.
Yeah, I'm mistaken. The 11th is the newest.
 
user227867
Sometimes when they say new edition, they just mean change in format.
 
user227867
Misleading marketing.
 
user227867
Since dictionaries always have new editions, they should never say 'new edition' on the cover lol
 
10:16 AM
 
user227867
NEW, LOL
 
The 1993 edition of S.O.E.D.
 
user227867
Not only is it new edition, it is also new authority, lol
 
They learned their lesson though.
 
user227867
10:20 AM
This is exactly what I have, the cheap international edition
 
I think the most beautifully bound dictionary you can buy today is The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary 6th edition, deluxe edition:
 
user227867
Looks magnificent
 
It's also obscenely priced, but not quite as much as the C.E.O.E.D.
 
user227867
Let me show you the most expensive math book I have seen on Amazon...
 
user227867
10:23 AM
300 USD for new copy
 
Pricy.
There's just one more thing I want to show off before I go and that's a special 400th anniversary edition of the Compact O.E.D.
 
user227867
LOL
 
I actually won one of those off of ebay.
Shelf 'n all.
 
user227867
Wow.
 
user227867
Are you going to bed now?
 
10:28 AM
I dunno.
 
user227867
I am going to eat dinner in about half an hour.
 
That sounds delicious.
Even without knowing what it is, 'cause I'm hungry.
 
user227867
Do you cook yourself or buy takeaway?
 
Both. I cook myself mostly but nothing special. Eggs, veggie burger patties...
 
user227867
I live with my mum. She buys takeaway dinner every day. It's cheap here.
 
10:32 AM
Also let me tell you something about that shelf set. It's rare. Very rare. I think there's only like 7,500 in the world I.I.R.C.
I got it for a good price I think.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Aha. Hey if you want to email me, let me know. =)
 
Hmm, how would we trade addresses?
 
user227867
I will just tell you my address here.
 
user227867
And you can email me if you don't want to type it here.
 
Wait a second. Use another symbol instead of the @ at least.
Don't wanna have your inbox flooded with junk mail.
 
user227867
10:35 AM
@Tonepoet It is mathematicsjasperloy at gmail dot com
 
user227867
OK, I am going off now bye
 
Okay, bye.
 
 
3 hours later…
1:47 PM
What do you call a nose without a body?
Nobody knows!
!!rimshot
 
You are on fire, @Mitch.
My boys liked the maroon joke.
 
@KitZ.Fox my wife asked me what I was laughing at. I told her the joke, and she glared at me. I said to her, "well, you ASKED."
 
2:49 PM
@Shafizadeh It's not SE's reputation (whether you mean our rep or SE's reputation elsewhere) - it's the community that's worth the effort. Based on primaries, I'm off the hook, though. :P
 
Don't count yourself out yet @Lawrence, maybe people will change their mind after reading your answers to the questionnaire.
 
@Lawrence Well, somehow surprisingly, the primary results have little correlation with the election's results.
 
Yeah, that makes sense too. Have you considered that most of the people voting in the primaries might not even come back to vote in the actual election?
 
That might be relevant.
 
I think it's super relevant. I've never seen 200+ votes anywhere else on E.L.U.
 
3:03 PM
It's highly possible that they think they are done voting.
Because there is nothing that says "come back in 4 days for the real thing".
 
sorry for being low-level, vanishes
 
3:24 PM
@Tonepoet Thanks :) , but I'm fine with it either way. Glad they didn't decide to play 20 questions, though. :P
 
@Lawrence They wouldn't. It's been ten since eternity
 
@KitZ.Fox I seem to remember a top bar notification in a past election.
 
@DEAD 20 questions is a game.
 
@Tonepoet I know.
But ruining people's puns is fun.
 
@DEAD Really? I'm surprised.
 
3:30 PM
@Lawrence Well, other than being effective in tossing lowly candidates out of the game, it doesn't do much.
 
@DEAD Maybe we should have skipped the primaries altogether, then. It would have given a more accurate picture of the voting preferences.
 
Doesn't work that way.
 
Twenty Questions is a spoken parlor game which encourages deductive reasoning and creativity. It originated in the United States and was played widely in the 19th century. It escalated in popularity during the late 1940s when it became the format for a successful weekly radio quiz program. In the traditional game, one player is chosen to be the answerer. That person chooses a subject (object) but does not reveal this to the others. All other players are questioners. They each take turns asking a question which can be answered with a simple "Yes" or "No." In variants of the game, multiple state...
 
Primaries make more sense when there are, say, >20 candidates.
 
@DEAD Exactly.
 
3:33 PM
@Lawrence Does this link fit in a pocket?
 
@DEAD I don't see a link in that message.
@DEAD I meant it as a play on words.
 
I know I know
 
@DEAD I realised later that you might be preparing the link for posting.
Take your time.
 
@Lawrence Preparing what link?
 
@DEAD The link that you wondered about - whether it fit in a pocket.
 
3:43 PM
Oh, just nevermind. :)
 
Maybe I should have asked about the pocket instead.
@DEAD Oh, ok. :)
 
I'm nominating in ELL's mod election.
What should I write? What should I write?
 
@DEAD Good. I'll vote for you.
 
@DEAD Well, first question: what's your reason for running?
 
3:48 PM
TBH, I know I can help, and I can endure some of the soul-crushing stuff that mods do with the thicker skin that I've grown over time.
 
@DEAD I read the others' answers to the 10 questions after posting mine - you're mentioned twice!
 
Raises eyebrows
Why?
Looks around, wondering if he's broken anything
Alright, @Lawr you don't expect me to go read that much stuff, do you?
 
@DEAD Ok, that's a start. Sure, you're able. But why give up your precious time to do this? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. But you want to - so why? I think if you can articulate that, you're way ahead of just 'cause.
 
@Lawrence Well, I am already spending considerable time cleaning up sites, most of all, where I came from, chem.SE.
 
@DEAD Speed read. About half of the bulk consists of the questions reproduced in each answer. :)
 
3:53 PM
@Lawrence (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
 
@MετάEd Yeah, but people might think "I voted already".
 
In the end, it's only because I care, @Lawr. I don't consider the mod position a prize.
Sure, people trust you more to do stuff, but usually the only voices you would hear are "dis mod clozes my queschenz bloody tyrant"
 
@DEAD We shorten it to "MOD ABYOOZ!"™
 
TM
 
@DEAD Good. That resonates with your prior posts and the tenor of your activity. It's a good introduction to who you are and what you represent.
 
4:08 PM
Now let's feel stressful.
 
You've got a typo.
Also, congrats.
 
@KitZ.Fox Rechecking
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Q: Why do we use the letter C?

BlueEyesWhiteDragonIt seems the the role of the letter C is irrelevant other than the for the sake of readability. Americans have already replaced the initial C with K in words like Skepticism (Scepticism), why not do away the letter C? Why not have a new word? Why not Skeptisism? Also why Gyro not Jyro? (I wa...

Um
 
I will give you a hint: I'm younger than most people than read this nomination.
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Q: Does the letter C serve any unique purpose?

user8809Does the letter 'C' make any sound that cannot be made by other letters? "Cat" could be spelled "Kat," "Cinder" could be spelled "Sinder," and "Watch" could be spelled "Watsh." Edit: An excerpt from a comment by Kosmonaut: There is no difference between ["ch" and "tch"]; both are /tʃ/....

 
@KitZ.Fox Yeah, already edited
 
hm, I didn't know about that old C question, but I did link the new C question to a "dupe" that answers it.
not a pure dupe, but the answer is pretty much the same.
 
4:19 PM
@DEAD Good on you. :)
 
@Lawrence Just found the first reference in Sumelic's answer, and I'm tired enough already.
 
@DEAD Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to turn it into a chore - it was meant as a compliment. The other reference is in my answer.
 
> The only real difference between SE and anywhere else is that it focused mainly on content, not the person who posts it. - DEAD
Oh, that's really kind of you!
I don't deserve so much recognition
 
:)
Time for me to go. TTFN :)
 
TTYL
<insert another fancy internet abbreviation>
 
 
1 hour later…
5:46 PM
"I don't play games, nor watch TV" I could say 'nor' there?
 
5:57 PM
I neither play games nor watch TV.
I don't play games or watch TV.
 
ah, thanks, noted
 
@caub Yes, because don't is equivalent to "do not" and nor may be used after neither or not.
 
@KitZ.Fox do you watch movies?
 
@ktm5124 I do.
 

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