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2:07 PM

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Where do these people come from?

2:20 PM

Do we have something written down in the site materials where we dissuade askers from offering questions that admit only a simplistic answer, especially yes/no questions?

"Is this right?" is always proofreading, but we get so many of them.

What a bunch of blah this morning.

Good morning.

Good enough, thanks.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:36 PM

Have I mentioned lately that I hate how chat flags work? cuz I do

Please remember to vote in their first moderator election over there on ELL.

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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Early and often.

I haven't handled a chat flag in forever. I'm simply not fast enough for the offensive ones.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We agree.

If you think chat flags are bad, imagine comment flags.

There are meta.SE posts about this.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I have no idea. I only flag comments as "obsolete"

Chat flagging works like lynching: it takes only five people close to you to lynch you, even if the mob in general wants you to live.

2:39 PM

And it only takes one person to fix that, assuming the mob acted unjustly.

How do comment flags work? I thought only moderators saw those?

They do.

That doesn't mean they aren't a royal pain.

@tchrist But it can't be fixed, if you're already dead.

@tchrist Just ignore most of them.

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Q: Make comment flags less stupid

I'm sick of comment flags, and I'm pretty sure everyone else is too. They've been a problem for five years, and they're just getting worse. Don't get me wrong: rude/vulgar/stupid comments are a plague. We don't want this to be YouTube, and know good and well it could easily go that route. But th...

feature-request comments flags 10k-tools comment-flags

@Cerberus What do you mean?

It is not your job to sanitise the site. Just remove only personal attacks and insults.

2:40 PM

Huh?

You must be mistaking me for someone else.

@crl old. And fake.

shrugs

My statement about comment flags being a pain stemmed from Shog's post.

And this "it can't be fixed if you're already dead" thing doesn't make sense.

Very few actions are irreversible.

So "dead" is a bit melodramatic.

I don't even know which room those last flags were from.

But, in practice, one is rarely or never revived.

I think you overstate based on what I have seen.

2:45 PM

Both are equally grammatical. Both are also equally nonsensical. See Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. If you want to make any sense at all, throw them both away and rewrite from scratch. If, however, you are after writing nonsense, I can safely recommend using either for maximum effect. — RegDwigнt ♦ 1 min ago

I guess I would rather that chat offensive flags had a delay on them before they went to the rest of the world outside the given room, since only people in the room will have enough context and understand the room culture.

I need a template for that.

I keep a text file of templates to snarf-n-barf.

There is a clear and serious problem with chat flags.

People kill me because I say "Iphones are gay".

I don't like being banned from chat by people who never set foot in this chat and who enjoy censorship without knowing the context.

There have been countless such incidents here and elsewhere.

All centred around the vague Swiss army knife "offence".

I understand that you do not believe in offensiveness.

2:51 PM

I feel you, bro. People kill me because I say "Cerberus is an iPhone".

Die!!!

Or you aren't a positive integer.

@tchrist I thought there was consensus about this problem here.

Not that I have seen.

Here's the thing. If I die, I come to your place, the Hades or whatever it's called.

You want me to come to your place?

2:52 PM

You can't let a mob judge and execute people.

@RegDwigнt Sure!

If you want me to come to your place, that makes you even more of an iPhone.

Oh, does it?

@Cerberus If there is a mod active in the room, that won't happen. And flags tend to trigger a blue flu.

But Iphones are banned here.

@tchrist Yes, it happens when there is no mod here, which happens often enough.

Yes, the blue flu.

How about being a straight iPhone? You know, with edges and all. Like a manly man, you know.

2:53 PM

You can cut yourself on that.

@tchrist Don't forget that it can happen days after the line was spoken. It was I think a day after my Iphone comment that I was killed by some passer-by reading the transcript.

@Cerberus Not anymore.

@RegDwigнt Unpossible. Iphones cut corners.

No?

Cutting edge crap.

Indeed.

They're so dull.

2:55 PM

Here's the thing.

@Cerberus What's the deal with you and Gigli? Do you have her on 'ignore' or are you just not responding to her?

If offensive chat flags are always dismissed, the people flagging them will feel that they are out of step with the community and powerless to participate in that community.

I don't mean to say that there aren't a lot of stupid ones. There are.

But blindly dismissing all offensive chat flags without context is not going to help.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

And who said that was what we wanted?

Here's another thing. Someone wise put this idea in my head in the Maths room (they didn't quite word it that way, but that's the conclusion that immediately followed for me): why remove any offensive messages at all?

What do you all want, and is that a mouse in your pocket?

2:58 PM

And why are people from the other side of the network, who have never been here, supposed to "participate", and only by banning people?

@Mitch Oh it doesn't matter.

It's not a long ban, and it will probably be reviewed by a moderator.

So let's say I call you an idiot. I've done that. You've read that. A minute from now nobody will ever see it anymore. So why should it be gone?

@RegDwigнt I agree in general. Only in the case of an ongoing personal attack would I ban someone. Or spam.

At the same time, if a minute from now somebody does want to see what a jerk I am, why not let them see it?

@RegDwigнt That is in general exactly my point. I don't understand the basic premise behind "offence" censorship.

3:00 PM

I know that you do not believe in offensiveness.

I also know that others do not disbelieve in it.

@tchrist That is not true: I don't believe in it as a cause for censorship.

Actually, I believe in offensiveness very much. I am offensive all the time. That's why I want to keep it.

@tchrist And we know how much damage those people have done over the millennia.

You want people to pretend offensiveness does not exist, go watch ABC.

@RegDwigнt I read your Math adventures. :)

3:01 PM

You only read half of it.

Are you sure?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's not about censorship. It's about preventing unwanted behaviour. The idea is to try to punish bad behaviour. You want to say something offensive? Not only will you be kicked out, but your words will become as unsaid as possible. Censorship is when the government makes a law preventing you from saying things.

Some people think there should be a police that completely sanitises a community 24/7, so that no negative things are present ever.

@Cerberus OK. It was just weird. She must have said something that bothered you.

Punish is a strong word.

In some cases, it is not exactly that.

3:02 PM

@tchrist Well, even mods can't see deleted messages from the transcript unless they have the ID. You can only get the handy link as long as the message is still on screen.

@RegDwigнt I see deleted messages in transcripts.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know, there is that, but the means to do it is censorship.

Oh well maybe they changed that.

They seem to have.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Don't confuse StackExchange wanting to remove offensive things from their site with censorship.

If someone comes over and spray-paints racist rants on my house, I am allowed to clean it off without being accused of censorship.

3:04 PM

@Cerberus If you have a particular change that you would like to raise for community discussion, perhaps you should raise the matter on meta.

I don't, because that's what it is when you remove information. Banning users is half censorship, half punishment. In either case, it is born from a desire to "cleanse" the site.

This whole offensiveness discussion is offensive and should be entirely removed. Which will entirely remove offensiveness from our current minds and our memories.

implemented

Well, now I have nothing to talk about.

That offends me.

Yay! Now I have something to talk about.

@Mitch ★

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure, because it your personal space, I wouldn't call that censorship.

Mr Shiny is right, but he's forgetting a crucial detail.

Punishing bad behavior on the Internet generally does not work. Never. Ever.

3:05 PM

@tchrist I have given up on achieving anything that way long ago.

And I think some options have been raised on Meta, but nothing was done.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Even if it was a public space, like a library or a university.

WHo was it who pointed out that political correctness isn't about censorship, but that you should think about it as being reasonably polite.

E.g. if people in the room could override bans issued by people who don't understand the context.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt So I guess we shouldn't bother to try. Why didn't we just let Nortonns post all that crap again?

Inventing a new word every two years for "people who should die right now because I hate their skin color" is not being reasonably polite.

It is being unreasonably racist.

3:07 PM

@Cerberus Four can.

@RegDwigнt I'm not entirely sure: sometimes, when done in the right way, it may work to some degree. But in general I think battling words with words is more effective, and more proportional.

And historically, this has not been uncommon.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well. But we do. Have you looked at the front page in the last couple months or so?

It was an uphill battle, and we've lost it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt I don't visit the site.

Exactly.

3:08 PM

Sigh-t.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Does it matter whether the graffiti are racist or just meaningless scribbles? In both cases would they be removed. That is just a different situation. Besides, if they are in folders in some book case, then nobody would care enough to remove them. Nobody ever reads old chat transcripts.

I thought you just said that they did read old chat transcripts.

@Mitch Unless it is forced upon you by someone else: then it is censorship.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus If nobody reads the old transcripts, then who cares if they're redacted.

@Cerberus but I think politeness is not being forced on others.

3:10 PM

Should we really cudchew old matters forever? Is there something that needs attention now?

@tchrist Then someone that doesn't work. Perhaps a ban should only happen once it is approved by people who were in the room before the flags.

I'm sure you realize why that isn't a good network-wide policy.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 also, note I never said "we should not try". What I said amounts to "we have tried, time and time again, and now we have actual results, so how about we stop to look at them and see what they are".

@tchrist Only a single censor read that, probably, and flagged it.

These aren't censors, Cerb.

You overreach.

3:11 PM

I will always try. But I will also learn from the results.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't care that much. But I do care when it is in a live conversation, and I care when someone is prevented from speaking.

Trying in and of itself is not a virtue.

@Mitch Right, so that's an important difference.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt Well, I never said we shouldn't learn from the results. But I don't think the problem with chat flags lies in the chat-banning of the user or the deletion of the message. The problem is the user interface which requires snap decisions, and then which punishes you for actually acting on the flag.

@tchrist Then what are they? What kind of person goes through chat logs, finds a line, refuses or is unable to look at the context, and tries to get someone banned?

3:13 PM

Eventually, people who go around shouting Fire! Fire! in a movie-house will be ejected.

@Cerberus Someone who makes a mistake.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus But there are often good reasons to prevent people from speaking. Maybe they are being a total jerk and need to go have a time out. Maybe they are disruptive. kicking them from the room, temporarily, is not an unreasonable idea. They are not silenced forever. They can go rant on facebook or myspace or blogspot or whatever.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well yes, and so it is. But that's exactly where the learning part should start kicking in. Instead right now we are still trying to use the system.

@tchrist That is exactly the example right-wing nuts use in favour of censorship, because it is 100% wrong. The only reason why Fire! is illegal is because it might cause a stampede. For similar reasons, personal threats are forbidden. That only makes sense.

I guess you’ve never heard of fightin’ words.

I for one have learned and will never use it again. I find even discussing it is a waste of time at this point.

3:16 PM

@RegDwigнt ++

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Even if yelling "Fire" in a theatre weren't illegal, which I'm not sure it is not, yelling anything in a theatre is grounds for expulsion on the grounds of "you're being a jerk and the rest of us want to watch the movie"

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As Reg said, if someone is a jerk, so what? You can always ignore people. Only when there is an ongoing personal attack, or spam, or something that actually prevents other people from having a normal conversation should this person be silenced. And even then you could just put him on ignore.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Nah, the ignore feature is totally broken.

@RegDwigнt Not even with spammers?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

using ignore punishes you, not the ignored.

3:17 PM

It works well enough.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

AND it does nothing to help the transcript, which gets filled with garbage.

@Cerberus what? Discussing it with spammers? Am I reading you right?

The transcript is largely irrelvant imo.

I will discuss it, or anything, with spammers least of all.

Why? Spammers are fun.

And you can make a lot of money, too, just like their aunt Reda.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:18 PM

@Cerberus I put tchrist on ignore once after our argument a while back which got me banned for 30 minutes. It was awful, I couldn't be in chat if he was because nothing made sense. Chat was totally useless.

Aug 26 at 13:48, by tchrist

One theory holds that we have a finite capacity for bullshit, and as we age, our bullshit buffers become encrusted from years of accumulation.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, but he is not a spammer or a totally useless person.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the ignored person is saying, if the other people in the room aren't also ignoring them, the room becomes useless.

Spammers I plain ignore. Because frankly, they ignore us as well. If we kick them here, they'll move somewhere else. Their job is not discussing their job with people. Their job is spamming.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If other people desire to converse with this person, then it can be inconvenient for you as the ignorant, but then that is your own problem.

3:19 PM

Now trolls, yes, trolls can be fun. You know I like to engage them by trolling back harder.

@RegDwigнt But they can cover the room in spam so you can't see other lines.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yes, the ignore feature punishes me, if I use it, that's what I've been saying. It's broken.

@Cerberus I've been doing that for five years now. To no avail.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"Don't want to see this thing? gouge out your eyes! Problem solved!"

Still nobody has paid me $3000 for anything.

3:20 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Only if you use it against people whose conversation is often appreciated by others present. That won't be the case with totally worthless jerks like spammers.

There can be other worthless jerks than just spammers.

@RegDwigнt Are you suggesting....that spammers bend the truth somewhat, sometimes?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Wrong. The conversation doesn't need to be appreciated by others, it just needs to happen. I don't always appreciate every conversation here. But try cutting out every 2nd message and see how it works.

But come on, what is the reason for worrying this old bone now?

@Cerberus I will tell you for $3000.

3:21 PM

@tchrist Yes, and then nobody else will talk to them either, so ignoring them is fine.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus wrong.

It doesn't work in practice.

You can always tell when someone in the room is ignoring another participant.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No: if every other message is by Tom, then that must be because other people are talking to him; otherwise he would just leave. So he must not be a worthless person.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not if he is ignoring a totally worthless person that other people rarely talk to either.

And, if he is not totally worthless to the room, because other people still talk to him, then, yes, the ignore function will not work well for you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Where did you get the idea that "totally worthless" is a criteria people use for judging whether or not to engage in chat on the internet?

Because the alternative is a ban.

Well, this has been fun, and the writing is generally of good quality, but now I must go visit mutecommies.com for a chance to win $10,000,000.

3:24 PM

And only totally worthless people, like spammers, should be banned.

@RegDwigнt Make sure to send them €7976 first, to cover the clearing costs.

Bai.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus What about people who are being offensive jerks, or very disruptive, right now? Should they be allowed? Or why not give them a 30 minute time-out?

Let me put it this way: if they are so worthless and stupid that nobody else will talk to them, then you can put them on ignore. If enough people will still talk to them often, then their conversation is not not worthless and should not be banned.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

What if A and B are chatting, C interjects with offensive behaviour, B argues with C about his behaviour, and D puts C on ignore. Then the conversation makes no sense for D until C leaves, which wont' happen while B engages in his "proportional" response.

The reasonable people in the room can talk to each other and agree that C is a worthless jerk.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus ha.

3:27 PM

And take action accordingly.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Just like the reasonable people here, who keep trying to convince you of something while tchrist tries to change the subject.

@tchrist or trampled

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If chat were threaded, then you could ignore threads, then that might be useful. But it isn't, it's just everyone shouting at once, so the ignore feature is useless.

Haha.

You know what I have seen happen?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Anyway I'll accede to tchrist's wishes and drop this subject.

3:30 PM

B is fighting with C, and C is clearly unreasonable or annoying. Then most other people will either pick sides and tell C to calm down, or they will stay quiet. Then "consensus" is established and people eventually stop responding to C's annoying behaviour, and it passes.

Can you remember the last time a ban in this chat occurred that was really useful and necessary?

Give a link to one that was not.

Preferably where you were a disinterested party.

This does not happen often.

Have you ever moved messages to the Trash?

That does not ban people.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus You seem to forget, or not care, that the "bans" are temporary. It's more of a time-out or cool-down or penalty-in-the-penalty-box.

@tchrist The burden of proof lies not on me.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still annoying.

Is there a term for the itch you sometimes get on your elbow during a full moon in Southeast Asia during vampire season? Hurry, need answer now!

I rather think it does. Without concrete instances, it is just so much pinhead-angel-dancing.

3:36 PM

@Robusto You forgot to misspell.

I was typing fast, sorry.

@tchrist The concrete example I have for you is the one I mentioned.

I await discrete data points.

I forget about other instances.

What, when you were gayed?

3:37 PM

Yes.

How long ago was that? And for how long?

I don't remember.

Then never mind.

I forget these things.

No matter.

3:37 PM

But your argument is actually one against your own position.

hello guys and girls:)

looks for girls

If people apparently don't often feel it is necessary to ban chatters, then there is no structural problem and the whole unjust system might as well be removed and restricted to spammers only, to be executed only by those who are in the room.

Hi!

girls?

I have and found one:)

Yay!

3:39 PM

I lost her name? she used to be really famous here

her name started with "k"

Elevate not the molehill to the zenith of our naval gazing.

kit

yeah kit:)

where she went?

@RegDwigнt There's a nice little userscript that makes deleted comments visible to blue folks:

// ==UserScript==
// @name Show deleted chat messages for Stack Exchange
// @grant none
// @match *://chat.stackexchange.com/*
// ==/UserScript==

setTimeout(function() {

    var userscript = function($) {

    $('span.deleted').closest('.message').each(function() {
        var id = this.id.replace('message-', ''), _this = this;
        $.get('http://chat.stackexchange.com/messages/' + id + '/history', function(data) {
           var msgtxt = data.match(/<div class="content">([\s\S]+?)<\/div>/)[1].trim();

@Saladin no idea

3:43 PM

@Saladin she's still around, she just doesn't visit chat much anymore. People come and go.

but memories remains @terdon

@terdon in above script "id" is used-profile name is that so?

can i check my your history following the link e.g chat.stackexchange.com/messages/terdon/history

@Saladin No, that should be the chat message's ID

e.g a hash?

@Saladin I don't think so. I've never seen that link and I get an error using it.

@Saladin No, just the id of the deleted comment.

yeah but it won't be like guessable be random in generation Like i'm thinking for privacy sake should deleted comments of other users be visible through this method if deleted messages id are so easily guessable

3:47 PM

It's not my script and my javascript-fu is minimal but it looks like it selects all cases of <span class=deleted"> or similar, get their ids and changes their CSS properties to make them visible. It will only work for mods.

@Saladin Only mods can see this and we can see them anyway but need to click for it.

oh darn its like server-side scripting? I forgot the context @terdon

4:06 PM

I'll try to unjquerize that script

@crl You can't use it anyway, it's a mod-only feature

oh dang :(

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto I don't know... it tried to eat the camera

4:36 PM

@MattE.Эллен Maybe it knows something you don't.

Matt E. Эллен

indubitably!

I am no octopus.

If you had tentacles around your mouth, you might look like one.

You four-limbed creatures can't know what an octopus likes.

Matt E. Эллен

true...

@Cerberus True. In fact, just manipulating an object with your tentacles makes it look like you're trying to eat the object.

4:41 PM

@MattE.Эллен Quoth the Walrus.

Matt E. Эллен

@tchrist I'm too green to be a walrus!

@MattE.Эллен thegreenwalrus.org

Apparently green walruses deliver pot.

Who knew?

5:01 PM

@Robusto You think the octopus wasn't actually trying to eat the camera?

Matt E. Эллен

5:13 PM

> Green Walrus Collective A Leading Medical Cannabis Collective. Delivery Service for the Connoisseur. [emphasis added]

you can be a connoisseur of medicinal cannabis?

Perhaps there are more delectable sorts, and less.

I am somewhat embarrassed over my own ignorance in this matter.

No one wants ditchweed.

They only want skunkweed.

Which now exhausts my pot vocabulary.

Matt E. Эллен

@tchrist perhaps. I thought if it's medicine, it's standardised, but perhaps not

@MattE.Эллен as well as a gourmet of antianxiety medications

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch I eat to feel better

@MattE.Эллен They certainly market different strains as having different characteristics. And medical researchers are heavily investigating certain psychotropically neutral properties for use in childhood anticonvulsants; my next-door neighbor is one of these latter.

5:19 PM

@tchrist I have some continuous points but their radius of convergence is very small. Does that count?

But I think you're right: connoisseur sounds like something you would find in gourmand, not in a patient.

@MattE.Эллен I feel better already.

In every way

Matt E. Эллен

@tchrist I was reading earlier that you can get ecigarettes that have no THC, only CBD.

Chronic Bowel Disease? Nice! Where can I get me some?

@MattE.Эллен That's the goal, yes. Dosage control with these things is very difficult, especially if ingested.

Cannabidiol (CBD) is one of at least 85 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis. It is a major phytocannabinoid, accounting for up to 40% of the plant's extract. CBD is considered to have a wider scope of medical applications than tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Unlike THC, CBD is generally considered to be non-psychoactive. An orally-administered liquid containing CBD has received orphan drug status in the US, for use as a treatment for Dravet syndrome, under the brand name Epidiolex. == Clinical applications == === Antimicrobial actions === CBD absorbed transcutaneously may reduce the excessive...

Often typoed as *cannabidoil.

Or cannabid oil.

Matt E. Эллен

5:22 PM

cananbidoily

Ooh! Doilies!

Cannaboy dial?

Cannaboïd

No greekings aloud.

5:41 PM

@Cerberus I'm just joking around. How did you not know that?

@Robusto int(her nets)

@Robusto Well, isn't it possible that the animal was not in fact trying to eat it?

I didn't see what it was trying to do.

6:36 PM

@Cerberus I think you're reading too much into this.

6:48 PM

> In dreams begins responsibility.

Matt E. Эллен

In apples begin apple trees

This is an epigraph to Yeats' collection Responsibilities, attributed (according to Wikipedia) to an "Old Play". Does anyone have any notion which play that might have been?

7:06 PM

Not I.

Hello Everyone.

Can anyone explain? "build a dam across (a river or lake)." what part-of-speech "dam" is in this sentence?

noun

@MattE.Эллен It wanted to do in insidelfie

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch autoendoscopy. mmm.

I don't thin cameras taste that great... that I've heard.

7:23 PM

@MattE.Эллен In apple trees begin apples.

Matt E. Эллен

so responsibility begets dreams!

Or apples.

Matt E. Эллен

true. responsibility apples

@Mitch Says the man who never tried one.

Matt E. Эллен

how do you like them apples?
responsibly.

7:25 PM

@Robusto YOu don't know that. Maybe I just couldn't taste it at the time, with all the trouble swalloing the damn thing.

@Mitch Would you eat them in a box? Would you eat them with a fox?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't think cameras hear that great... that I've tasted.

Matt E. Эллен

speak up, I can't see you

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Listen! You smell something?

@TRiG Sounds like something Yeats might have made up. Perhaps there was no old play.

7:28 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh I'm sorry. that was me.

There are two epigraphs to that poem, and one cites a specific source. Either Yeats made up the "Old play" or he forgot the name.

"In dreams begins responsibility."
                   Old Play.

"How am I fallen from myself, for a long time now
I have not seen the Prince of Chang in my dreams."
                           Khoung-fou-tseu.

@Robusto I would not eat them wearing socks. I would eat them smelling lox.

@Robusto I don't know how long you say.

Yeats takes pains to get the Chinese transliteration of Confucius, yet tosses off the "Old play" as if it didn't matter. Which makes me suspect he couldn't remember the name or made up the quotation on the spot.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Maybe it was literally called "Old play"

Matt E. Эллен

"hmmmm. it'll sound better if I say I didn't just make it up"

7:32 PM

Exactly.

He was a poet after all. All he ever did was make shit up.

And he was certainly capable of making up an epigraph. But then it doesn't sound like an epigraph.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And if that's true, it's no wonder nobody went to see it.

Matt E. Эллен

maybe it refers to Hamlet

Then someone would have pointed that out already.

Matt E. Эллен

> Which dreams, indeed, are ambition; for the very substance of the ambitious is merely the shadow of a dream

7:48 PM

@MattE.Эллен I don't see anything about responsibility there. We're not just talking about any old dream.

Matt E. Эллен

yeah, oh well

8:00 PM

What's this?

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/139521

@MattE.Эллен Really? Dreams are pretty nebulous already.

How does that help?

Who is going to know how Hornby is?

Ol' Hornby. He did everything first.

Colorblind Man Moved to Tears After Seeing Sunset in Color for First Time

Matt E. Эллен

Hornby make scale railways

... and then goes everything blind from staring at the effing sun.

8:06 PM

@MattE.Эллен That explains it then, thanks.

8:28 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Can we say “to fucks” instead of “to bits”? by Антон Ершов on english.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Can we say something vulgar instead of “to bits”? by Антон Ершов on english.stackexchange.com

I squelched Smokey over in the Tavern where he actually listens to you. Forgot to do it before the edit.

@Matt or @Robusto Do you know how to control the room feeds? Like when I look at this room's, I don't see anything that would explain the Japanese and German feeds.

I don't want to remove them, just understand them.

Matt E. Эллен

I think it's something Reg did. The German and Russian things are

Japanese is probably for Rob not Yoichi.

But still, it's weird that it isn't in the feeds list.

Matt E. Эллен

it is: extended bad tags

stackexchange.com/feeds/tagsets/137895/extended-bad-tags

I don't know how to create a tagset, mind you

I don't have a feed:// handler.

I wonder why it is called bad tags.

I'll ask Reg when he comes back on May Day.

Matt E. Эллен

8:45 PM

ok, so now I can make tagsets

Do tell.

Who's bad?

Matt E. Эллен

@tchrist I think this is where you make them

Ahah, yes, I think he once mentioned filters. Thanks.

Matt E. Эллен

no probs

@Rigor tags

8:52 PM

Indeed.

@Rigor the whole world has to answer right now

To?

Who's bad

It was probably Reg’s bath.

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