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8:00 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet You're going to trust the words of an Irishman? They're a devil-tongued race, you know.
 
@Robusto Weregrass every one of ’em.
 
@Robusto Ná deirtear rudaí mar sin i mo ghar-sa! ;-)
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Gah, ye've been infected.
Leprechaun dust for everyone!
 
Sometimes I read something and it feels I hear my own thoughts echoing
What exactly are you asking here? Which Anglo-Saxon words do you mean, and how do you mean ‘transliterate’? What do Greek, Arabic, or Hebrew have to do with this? And why would transliteration have anything to do with it? — Janus Bahs Jacquet 18 mins ago
 
8:03 PM
@Robusto I’ve been infected seen my teens!
 
@oerkelens “Anglo-saxon words”?
There was never an Anglo-saxon language, and still is not.
 
@tchrist The asker’s words, not ours.
 
I see.
But he does not.
 
Complete and utter nonsense.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Well, I have been scolded for the asker's words once before today... one more time won't hurt :P
 
8:05 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet He’s a Mormon nutjob.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Already closed.
 
@tchrist There might not have been an Anglo-Saxon language, but there was with almost complete certainty Anglo-Saxon words. ;-)
 
@tchrist I thought they all were.
 
Jun 30 '13 at 0:15, by tchrist
> It is in the records of the fifth century that the word ‘Anglo-Saxon’ first appears. Indeed it was King Æthelstan who, among other high titles such as Bretwalda and Caesar, first styled himself Ongulsaxna cyning, that is, ‘King of the Angel-Saxons’. But he did not speak ‘Anglo-Saxon’, for there never was such a language. The king’s language was then, as now, Englisc: English.
Jun 30 '13 at 0:15, by tchrist
> If you ever heard that Chaucer was the ‘father of English poetry’, forget it. English poetry has no recorded father, even as a written art, and the beginning lies beyond our view, in the mists of northern antiuquity. To speak of Anglo-Saxon language is thus wrong and misleading. You can speak of an ‘Anglo-Saxon period’ in history, before 1066. But it is not a very useful label. There was no such thing as a single uniform ‘Anglo-Saxon’ period.
 
@Robusto Not all nutjobs are Mormon.
 
8:08 PM
@Mitch The Philosopher would have a word with you, son.
 
@Mitch The converse, Mitch. The converse. I want to be able to distribute the middle term of my syllogism properly.
 
@tchrist You just called English poetry a bastard.
Just sayin.
@Robusto scoffs Adidas.
 
@tchrist In the same way as there are Hiberno-Scottish words, Italo-Celtic words, Dutch-German words, etc., there were also undoubtedly Anglo-Saxon words, i.e., words that were shared (and at least more or less identical) between the Anglian and Saxon languages.
 
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A: Precedence of "and" and "or"

RobustoThere is no "operator precedence" notion in English regarding "and" and "or": those are programming or mathematical concepts. To make the precedence explicit (i.e. to avoid ambiguity) you would make one group a parenthetical, usually with commas, extra words, or a change in word order: It wi...

Delayed acceptance. I answered that three years ago and it just got accepted today.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet I knew that that was what you meant, but not one man in a thousand uses it in that sense.
 
8:11 PM
That’s a long-ass time to wait, @Robusto.
 
I am a patient man.
 
I guess I’m one man in a thousand-and-one, then. ;-)
 
Perhaps you are two men in a thousand and one.
 
Yet fitting for one long in the tooth, don’t you think?
 
@Robusto We most certainly am not!
 
8:12 PM
On the internet no one can tell you're two men.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Take care lest ye be Kipled.
May 24 at 8:29, by tchrist
> The Thousandth Man
By Rudyard Kipling

One man in a thousand, Solomon says,
Will stick more close than a brother.
And it’s worth while seeking him half your days
If you find him before the other.
Nine hundred and ninety-nine depend
On what the world sees in you,
But the Thousandth Man will stand your friend
With the whole round world agin you.

‘Tis neither promise nor prayer nor show
Will settle the finding for ‘ee.
Nine hundred and ninety-nine of ‘em go
By your looks or your acts or your glory.
 
@Robusto I get that from time to time. To time.
 
@tchrist Like that?
 
@JanusBahsJacquet I can’t tell whether to look in Diogenes or Catullus for that one.
 
How old is she?
 
She'll be four in October.
 
@tchrist Neither. ;-)
Kipled is the Danish term for a (lamp) tilt joint. :þ
 
Ah.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Every inch a queen.
 
8:19 PM
@Robusto She has her derpy moments.
 
!!define derp
 
@Mitch derp (slang) Draws attention to an act of foolishness or stupidity.
 
of her own or yours?
 
Hmm.
She has unqueenly looks.
 
Like lying down right in the middle of a doorway so that you trip on yourself in an ungainly manner trying to avoid stepping on her.
 
8:20 PM
Derp reminds me of the Mencken quote: "A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married."
 
this is my favourite GIS derp picture
 
@JanusBahsJacquet kip, verb [entry#1] Obs. Forms: 3-4 kippe, 4 kip, kyp, 4-5 kyppe; pa. t. 3 kypte, 3-4 kipte, kipt, 4 kyppid. Etymology: ME. kippen: cf. ONor. kippa to snatch, tug, pull; also MDutch kippen to catch, grip, G. dial. (Swiss) kippen to steal, ‘prig’. trans. To take hold of, take in the hand, seize, snatch, catch.
I presume it’s related to the ON provenance.
 
@MattЭллен The lady is quite attractive otherwise.
 
@JasperLoy If you include the Picasso perspective eye directions?
 
@MattЭллен She looks like she's related to your gravatar.
 
8:22 PM
@Robusto :D could be!
 
I can't be the only one who sees it.
 
If she were greener, we could be siblings
 
@tchrist Not sure, actually. There seem to be quite a lot of words in older Danish that were all kip, and I’m not sure which one is the one in kipled. I think probably it’s from the verb kippe meaning something like rocking or swerving back and forth.
 
I seldom use my hand to write these days, having some difficulty now with that.
@MattЭллен Is she your Maria?
 
@JasperLoy are you dictating?
 
8:24 PM
@MattЭллен No.
 
@tchrist (Kip or kippe is, apparently, also the ‘word’ you use to call a calf to you. Huh.)
 
@JasperLoy no. I've never met her
@JasperLoy how are you typing?
 
@MattЭллен My typing is fine but writing is different from typing.
 
The number of OED headwords for kip alone is remarkable:
† kip [v.1]
† kip- [pref.]
kip [n.1]
kip [n.2]
kip [n.3]
kip [n.4]
kip [n.5]
kip [n.6]
kip [n.7]
kip [n.8]
kip [v.2]
kip [v.3]
 
@tchrist But the tilting/swerving/rocking verb is probably the same as the ON snatch/tug/pull verb. Those two meanings are bunched together in the ODS (Dictionary of the Danish Language, going back to around 1600).
@tchrist Same in Danish. Consider that our verbs all end in [ə], so the dictionary form of kip as a verb is kippe, the ODS has 17 entries.
 
8:27 PM
@JasperLoy I see
 
@MattЭллен Indeed, you have eyes.
 
There are lots more where those came from.
 
@JasperLoy They’re a bit red, but they do look like eyes.
 
Kipchak [n.]
kipe [n.]
kipe [v.] ← kipe
kip-hook ← kip-
› kip-house, -shop ← kip
ˈkiping [vbl. n.] ← kipe
› kip leather, kip-skin ← kip
Kiplingese [n.]
Kiplingˈesque [adj.] ← Kiplingese
ˈKiplingish [adj.] ← Kiplingese
Kiplingism [n.]
ˈKiplingite [adj.] ← Kiplingese
ˈKiplingize [v.] ← Kiplingese
Kipp [n.]
kipp ← kip
kippage [n.]
kippah [n.]
kippeen [n.]
kipper [n.1]
kipper [v.]
ˈkipper [n.2]
ˈkippered [ppl. adj.] ← kipper
kippered herring ← herring
ˈkipperer [n.]
ˈkippering [vbl. n.] ← kipper
ˈkipperish [adj.]
 
I bet I can throw this football over that mountain.
 
8:28 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Easy. Kit hasn't given you a pass made a pass at you yet.
 
are you already near the summit?
 
@tchrist Damn. I am so disappointed that Kipsigis is not in fact a word you use to simultaneously call a calf and a cat to you.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet There is no word in any language that can be used for calling a cat to you. I usually have to open a can of cat food for that.
 
@Robusto That’s so untrue. Any word is as good as the next when they in the vasty deep abide.
 
8:32 PM
Can humans eat cat food?
 
@JasperLoy Are you on drugs again, Jasper?
 
May 28 at 17:20, by KitFox
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 smooch
Does that count?
 
@tchrist Just the usual antidepressants, lol.
 
@JasperLoy Yes they can. I have been witness to that.
 
It’s such a crazy question.
 
8:33 PM
@oerkelens I once bought some baby food to try.
 
The reverse is also possible, but the cat may refuse if the food is not up to her standards
 
@Robusto Well, words that you use when you try to call a cat to you, at least. We have several, most commonly kiskiskiskis, mismismismis, or kisserkisserkisserkisser.
 
@JasperLoy As long as you wanted to try eating it, I do not find that all too disturbing
 
@JasperLoy baby food is just regular food that's been pureed.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet They just want to see how far you'll go in debasing yourself.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 *purreed. *FTFY
 
8:34 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet The expression, in any language, no, do not come to me seems to work as well...
 
@Robusto The word for that is 'sproik'. Use that to call your cat next time.
 
@oerkelens Alternatively, “Ugh, I hate cats”.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet yups, they just love that :)
 
@JasperLoy Homo es: felices nihil a te alienum putas.
 
8:36 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet :D
I just wanted to see what would happen.
 
@Mitch You sproiked, just to see what would happen?
 
Damn. Now I’m gonna get whooped for not spelling felicis right.
Which was honestly just a damned typo. Out out damned spot.
 
@tchrist It's OK.
 
There is nothing a cat can eat that you cannot.
However, it is not true the other way around.
Well, and live.
 
There are, however, things a cat will eat that I will not
Like fairly large, leggy insects
 
8:41 PM
Well of course, but that was never the question.
 
That crunch when you chew them
 
Shrimp.
 
@oerkelens So don't chew them. Just swallow them whole.
with a little butter.
 
They get stuck in your throat
 
An arthropod’s an arthropod, be it marine or otherwise.
 
8:42 PM
Which is highly unpleasant, especially if they are still moving
 
@oerkelens Why do you have so much experience with eating large, leggy insects alive?
 
Which is probably the actual reason my cat does chew on them first
 
I think he’s married.
 
@tchrist That was not the actual explanation I was thinking of
Well, I have empathic experience with my cat eating them
 
Empathic?
 
8:44 PM
It is almost as pleasant as the empathic pain a man feels seeing another man being kicked in the privates
 
whoops @tchrist for misspelling felicis
@oerkelens How about the amusement a man feels seeing another man whack himself in the crown jewels with a badminton racquet? That’s a more familiar scenario to me.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet There is amusement at the sight of someone doing that to himself
There is still empathic pain though
Mixed feelings, really. And yes, I have seen it.
 
Hmmm. I generally don’t feel the empathetic pain. Just the amusement.
 
:)
 
I mostly feel the pain when I do it myself.
 
8:48 PM
J.R. is providing examples for on the market...
@JanusBahsJacquet That is even worse - there is both the physical pain and the realisation that you amuse others in a less-than-intended way
 
@oerkelens ha ha.... no.
 
@Mitch I'm glad :)
 
@oerkelens Nah, it’s all give and take. I laugh at their expense, they laugh at mine.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet I’m just too used to writing Felices pascuas and such, so it just popped out of my fingers unbidden. It’s not like I don’t know 3rd declension adjectives have different gen-sg from nom-pl forms. The fingers do what they will, like constantly typing someone for somewhat. I have a ruler by my desk to rap them with, but it doesn’t help.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet A truly convenient arrangement, I am sure
 
8:54 PM
@tchrist I mostly write and for an and it for is and or for for.
@oerkelens Very. Though perhaps mostly for them.
I have an above-average talent for making an ass of myself in various more or less amusing ways.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet It's a talent that wins you friends easily, I guess :)
At least those who appreciate the expense at which they can laugh :P
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Unlikely. Your above-average talent is more apt to lie in your self-awareness of such. Dunning-Kruger effect and all that.
 
Though my effervescently irresistible personality does a lot of the work for me, of course.
 
Bubbly is addicting.
 
8:56 PM
Undoubtedly
 
@tchrist Oh no. It’s an actual talent. Quite a few people have told me so.
 
I manage to combine a severe lack of grace with an abundance of clumsiness and a good deal of yoga.
 
It's just that after six months they have genuinly forgotten we said we would fix it. You can't blame them...
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@JanusBahsJacquet ¡Qué gracioso serás! And no, I simply cannot remember the English for what I mean.
 
8:59 PM
@tchrist I know what you mean. Though I can’t think of a good way to express it, either.
 
Charming? Amusing? Pleasant? Dunno. Gracioso it is then.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet well, to be honest, the yoga anyone could throw in, if they were willing to make the effort
 
@oerkelens Oh yes. It’s just the agileness and techniques that yoga gives you that kind of don’t go too well with general clumsiness and gracelessness.
Similarly, I’m a great dancer … until I trip over my own feet and take half the party down with me.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet Oh, I know that situation - though I usually make sure I have drunk enough to claim the next day I do not remember a thing about it.
I am, however, not pleased with the fact that nowadays everybody has a camera on their phone...
 
That one’s hard to pull off when everyone knows you don’t drink.
 
9:03 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet Yup. That's why I try to keep that a secret.
 
I just console myself that everybody else is drunk enough not to remember it the next day.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet I tried that - it is generally too expensive :(
 
Avoid chorus lines.
 
Expensive?!
@tchrist Why?
 
Expensive to get everyone else drunk...
 
9:04 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet Easiest way to bring down the whole team, when you’re all linked up in a chorus line or daisy chain.
 
Oh, and apparently for royalty, too. From the London Evening Standard: Prince Harry is on the marketJ.R. ♦ 7 mins ago
 
@tchrist Oh, you meant the dancing kind.
 
Aye.
 
I was thinking lines sung in the chorus of a song
 
Not event queues, either.
 
9:04 PM
Oh no, those are just the place to do it.
 
Those are the only line people will remember in general :P
 
In all the commotion, you’re suddenly 20 people further ahead than you were before.
 
Yes, but they’re now after your backside.
 
well, 20 people in either direction anyway...
 
@oerkelens I don’t have to pay to get everyone else drunk—they happily do that all on their own.
Remember, I live in Denmark where alcohol consumption is a national sport.
 
9:05 PM
There is somewhere it is not?
 
Lucky you :)
 
@tchrist Nah, they don’t notice if you carry it off well enough
 
Well, it is in most places, but in the Netherlands it comes second after getting free drinks...
 
@tchrist Most other places I’ve been to.
 
Greece is better in that respect
 
9:06 PM
Except possibly Iceland.
 
They love drinking, and for some strange reason, they insist on picking up the tab
 
@oerkelens Ah yes, the symposia.
 
ambrosia, more like :P
 
That’s true gold.
 
@oerkelens Hardly immortal!
 
9:07 PM
And you the fly in its midst.
 
:)
Seriously, the shortest argument in history occurs when a Dutchman and a Greek bicker over who's paying the bill.
 
@oerkelens And the longest when a Chinese businessman and a Japanese business are in the same situation.
 
:)
 
(I have actually one time witnessed such an argument escalate to the point of a regular brawl—about ten people on each side trying to beat each other up, some with bricks and things. Very bizarre. That was two Chinese men, though, no Japanese involved.)
 
When the bricks come out, better take cover. :D
I think I should consider changing my position to a more horizontal one...
I bid the gentlemen good night, and of course any present ladies as well
 
9:15 PM
Night!
(Who the hell authorised the clock to move forward to 11:15 PM already? Why was I not informed?)
 
9:50 PM
Bring me 1983's Michael Stipe.
 
That’s Michael Stipe? Good heavens. Who knew he was once such a good-looking young man?
(Check out the unibrow on the guy behind him, though!)
 
@JanusBahsJacquet right?
Unibrow is the second most attractive in that group if you ask me.
 
Ach, come now, that would surely be the other guy in the front. That unibrow is enough to scare me far off.
 
Still can’t get over Michael van der Stipe there, tho.
 
9:59 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet Other guy in the front is bleh.
I'm big on lips and dark hair and hairy things.
But yeah, he could tame that thing.
I must commute!
 
“Brushed aside some of the shadowy kudzu”?! Say what? I bloody hate music review. Load of priggish, pseudo-intellectual, lexiphanic tosh.
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Commute? To work?
 
From.
Whee! slides down brontosaurus
 
Ah. Oh yeah. That would make more sense, time-wise.
(Unless of course you were in China or Japan, as your name could suggest …)
Incidentally, why isn’t your name 玉米面包忍者?
 
10:26 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet Because it's something else?
 
@JanusBahsJacquet In Japanese that means rice-ball wrapped-face ninja. I think it loses a bit in the translation.
 
I think it gains a bit in translation.
 
tamamaimenhouninja
Seven syllables for English speakers, eleven for the Japanese.
 
11:22 PM
@JanusBahsJacquet Have you direct experience with kudzu?
 
Hello.
 
Hi, just woke up.
 
@tchrist Hey, I've been down south and I can tell you categorically that that is not a picture of kudzu.
 
@tchrist Late!
I thought you were a morning person!
@Robusto You, down south?
I am not surprised.
 
It’s selective harvesting of the kudzu crop.
 
11:31 PM
@Cerberus I've driven through it.
Also hitch-hiked through it, but that's another story.
 
Haha.
On your way to...
I've hitch-hiked to Belgium only.
 
@Cerberus I was up meridies ago. This was a cat nap to restore my moral.
 
Ah, OK.
I, too, took a power nap today.
How is your morale now?
 
Slings and arrows.
 
That is an unusual state of morale.
Not to say incomprehensible...
 
11:33 PM
Headhunters. Scum buckets. The health insurance issues.
Rude disputes.
 
You are approached by headhunters?
I wish I were!
 
I can send you mine.
 
What's the issue with health insurance?
Yay! But they would not be interested in me.
 
The contractor company is trying to retroactively cancel mine a month ago if I don’t pay their part of it for the last month I worked for them.
 
Huh.
 
11:35 PM
But that’s wrong, because COBRA doesn’t count here.
 
Is it a lot of money?
 
Something like $400.
 
Wow.
A lot, but perhaps not unaffordable for you.
 
@tchrist You have a moral? Like an Aesop story?
 
@Robusto They are dear to me.
@Cerberus Yes, but it is morally odious that they should attempt this bullshit.
 
11:36 PM
But there's just the one?
 
That’s the problem. You can barely make an omelette out of just one.
It turns out that they had me continue to work for the client-company after my original contract with them as contractor had run out.
Without telling me.
So they claim that my original contract no longer applies.
So I have to pay both employer and employee portions FOR WHILE I WORKED.
Simply evil.
 
People suck.
 
@tchrist Absolutely!
 
I’m a little short of words right now.
 
Short of words, short of breath, short of patience—the trifecta.
 
11:39 PM
Threaten to sue them?
 
But suck is an understatement when characterizing cupiditous evil.
 
@Robusto People, as in corporations?
 
@Cerberus Especially corporations.
 
@Cerberus Empty threats I do not make.
 
Not sure I would call that cupiditous...
 
11:40 PM
Corporations are the worst kind of people.
@Cerberus How about concupiscent?
 
@tchrist Maybe it would work...
@Robusto Are corporations like...mothers in law?
 
I did question the legality of what they were attempting. They haven’t talked to me since.
 
@Cerberus Hey, my mother-in-law is great!
 
@Robusto If those people are concupiscent, then, sure...
 
Last time I did that, their Chief Counsel called me at home apologizing.
 
11:41 PM
@Robusto Sure, sure! Only the proverbial ones are evil.
@tchrist "My brother in law, who specialises in criminal law with respect to [some applicable legal term] law, suggested this might be illegal. What do you think?"
And perhaps add "he urged me to sue, but I don't know what to do".
 
@Cerberus That's a little on the nose, don't you think?
 
And "my sister, the journalist, was told by the [paper] it might make a good story".
@Robusto On the nose? As in, forward?
 
@Robusto No one who has not seen the endless mile piled upon mile utterly blanketed by kudzu understands the sleepless malice that threatens to engulf the entire world below the frost line.
 
@Cerberus No. I thought you spoke British English.
 
I try to?
What have I done wrong?
 
11:45 PM
It means "Unsubtle or overly and clumsily direct."
One of its meanings.
 
"Which would you rather pay, thousands of dollars of legal fees, or the $400?"
@Robusto That is kind of what I meant...is that British?
 
@Cerberus The Brits tend to use it more than Americans, I think.
 
I see.
I am not good at slang.
 
Don't think of it as slang; think of it as colloquialism.
 
Yes, nor colloquialisms.
 
11:47 PM
 
Qu'est-ce que c'est?
Isn't that the Confoederation?
 
The Confounderated States of America.
Or just "Waffle House" for short.
 
Do they eat many waffles?
 
> The most efficient ways to control kudzu are wild goats and wild sheep. A small herd can reduce an acre of kudzu every day.
 
11:53 PM
There are definitely people around here that hire out herds of goats for hard-to-get-at trimming projects.
 
There is a certain symmetry to that.
@Cerberus You see a lot of those establishments down south.
 
Ah, I see.
We have lots of waffle-selling shops here for tourists.
Could they be catering to your southerners?
Actually, someone told me Italian tourists loved waffles.
 
You know, the green on the map almost perfectly encapsulates the part of this country that I have a fundamental social allergy to.
 
You also see Jimmy Dean restaurants. Just as bad. They're basically truck stops. The whole South is a kind of truck stop.
 
It needs to stretch to the Pecos though.
 
11:56 PM
You are on an island of blue in a red ocean.
I have to drive hundreds of miles to get to a truly red state.
Or fly.
 
Haha.
 
Blue and red are reversed (politically speaking) in Europe, ne?
 
Perhaps they should become independent?
 
@Robusto An oasis in the desert, an island in the sky.
@Cerberus glares
 
@Robusto The Red Army is red, communists and socialists.
@tchrist Hehe.
 
11:58 PM
So leftists are red in Europe, and blue in the U.S.
And vice versa.
 
The U.S. has few genuine leftists, although Steven Brust is one.
 
Well, blue is usually right, but only some right-wing parties are blue.
It's more like...blue, green, orange, grey...it depends.
 
A socially conscious oligarch does not a leftist make.
 
Nor iron boars John Cage.
 
Don't underestimate the oligarchy of some European "leftists"...
 

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