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6:00 PM

It stopped yesterday, but will start again tomorrow.

Hey, look at this:

<script type="text/javascript">
/*<![CDATA[*/
(function() {
var sz = document.createElement('script'); sz.type = 'text/javascript'; sz.async = true;
sz.src = '//us1.siteimprove.com/js/siteanalyze_19162.js';
var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(sz, s);
})();
/*]]>*/
</script>

Is that a script that runs a function to insert a script?

Essentially, the same as <script type="text/javascript" src="http://us1.siteimprove.com/js/siteanalyze_19162.js"></script>?

Except, I guess this puts it as the first loaded script?

@KitFox unschooling is just an extreme form of homeschooling, which is totally appropriate for hunter-gatherer's

I'm confused why it's built this way.

@Mitch I'm trying hard not to judge.

I feel like it's roughly equivalent to 'I love everything about this woman and her parenting, except that she hits her kids for discipline.'

Which she doesn't! She wouldn't ever do that.

@KitFox having said that, many very educated people (before 20th c) didn't start reading til they were 10 yo or so.

But in terms of how divergent this particular thing is.

@Mitch Because they didn't have access to books maybe.

grumbles

Also, think of al the people in the world now who can read from a very early age, and spend gobs of time on the internet reading about everything, finding out about the world, and they still think Adam and Eve 'became' 6000 years ago and dinosaur bones were placed in the earth right at those spots to challenge our faith.

So what I'm saying is "holds head in hands because stupidity"

6:08 PM

Well, I suppose.

@KitFox I bet she doesn't vaccinate her kids either.

Not all kids are going to be intellectually curious, and maybe he really isn't interested in reading even though she's doing everything right.

@Mitch I'm pretty sure she did.

I don't.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yes

You should vaccinate your kids then. ZYes, for your kids, but also for everybody else.

Matt Эллен

it's the closest browser JS has to an import

6:10 PM

I was kidding. My kids have had most of their vaccinations.

We opted out of just one, I think. Maybe two.

And that was because the first kid had a reaction to the first dose.

And it wasn't a critical vaccination. Cost-benefit, all that.

@MattЭллен Why would they do it thusly? Why not just put it in the header in the first place?

Matt Эллен

6:27 PM

I don't know. it's usually used in separate JS files to make it easier to split files and import when required, rather than using the script tags directly

Hmm. OK. Thanks.

@Mitch I don't think very many people still believe that...

I mean, sure, it will still be many millions.

But some minority.

7 pages of logic for the basic outline of the datasheets I'm working on. I don't know if that's a lot. Seems like it. It's taken me a week to write it out and it's just the tip of the iceberg.

6:45 PM

I can't help it. I keep going back to the Candy Man.

@KitFox There are support groups for kicking that sort of habit.

I can quit any time I want.

I just don't want to.

Why is everyone talking really loudly suddenly?

Also, why can't I remember how to diagram programming logic?

7:13 PM

@KitFox I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING.

I heard a huge burp of corporate speak today, wish I had it recorded

the guy said it live as an answer to a question

I don't think I could make it vaguer if I had a week to refine it

Wow. Impressive.

my friend who heard it was mad afterwards, I laughed.

Lovely!

#ʎlǝʌo˥

7:20 PM

Business and battle do not enrich your language, most of the time, but impoverish it.

Matt Эллен

so that's why there's so much swearing and homophobia in multiplayer computer games!

yeah it is very common with the meeting people, the one who can wrap it up with the vaguest statement wins.

Matt Эллен

by the players, I mean, not the NPCs

@MattЭллен Possibly!

@JohanLarsson And what does he win? Inanity?

need to google for inanity if you don't help me :D

one thing they all win is another meeting about the same thing since nothing was decided

very efficient, not wasting meeting topics

7:26 PM

> n. foolishness, silliness; hollowness, vanity; emptiness; something foolish or inane

@JohanLarsson Haha star!

I've been ranting more or less permanently for two weeks :D

Coding will do that to you.

nope, coding is like eating really healthy, running 10 km/day and sleeping 10h/ night ime :D

@JohanLarsson Very efficient, not wasting more than one emotion on a period of time.

haha

7:46 PM

Anybody here ever been to Curaçao?

where is it?

I have not.

What about it?

@JohanLarsson Antilles.

ok never been there, Jamaica is the closest I've been

Never been anywhere near there...

Did Sweden ever have any colonies in the Caribbean?

@Cerberus It used to be a Dutch possession.

8:01 PM

@Robusto Still is.

I thought it was independent as of 2010.

Nope.

They changed something with districts, again.

I have several friends who live(d) there.

It's fairly safe and fairly corrupt.

@Cerberus What do you mean "fairly corrupt"? As in you have to pay people off?

@Cerberus I think we had one, think everybody died due to some virus

@Robusto I don't know about that, perhaps to some minor extent; but I know some politicians have connections with the underworld and such.

@JohanLarsson Aww that's so sad.

8:10 PM

Sweden was not very active with that stuff though

(And when I say "underworld", I don't mean that in a good way like Hades!)

but we were pretty aggressive in europe for a while, we had border to France at one point

@JohanLarsson Too busy fighting Denmark?

France, really? Where?

You don't mean during Napoleon?

my guess is that Netherlands was a part of sweden for a while, not sure though

@JohanLarsson Yeah, but the Danes are the ones who colonized England. Skane couldn't compete.

8:12 PM

@JohanLarsson Haha, no.

You had some parts of Prussia.

A branch of my family is from Greifswald, I think that is Pommerania; they were judges at the regional court under the Swedes, I think.

So 1800 or so?

Or perhaps it was some other town near Greifswald.

user image

(clicking it works)

much smaller than I thought

not even Norway & Denmark, must be wrong

Heh.

I believe you did rule Denmark at some time?

I don't know really, think so too though

I was very wrong about the size

Hmm I was wrong.

Denmark ruled over Sweden for a while, not the other way around.

Sweden did rule over Norway.

And Finland.

8:59 PM

@Cerberus I think it's the principle that untruths are easier to make than truths.

@JohanLarsson sometimes you just want to fill up the empty air with sound, to have the conversation fill up all available resources with important sounding words. Sometimes meetings are not for passing along information.

@Cerberus Nice! do those go together?

@Cerberus By the time all the Europeans were colonizing the new world, I don't think the Swedish navy was much of a contender. They (if you think of it as Scandinavia) did conquer northern England, Ireland, and inhabited Iceland in the middle ages, and then later attacked Poland and Russia (1700's?) but anything south of...wait! Didn't the Vikings conquer Sicily or Malta in the Early middle ages?

9:50 PM

Oh my god.

there's a fucking dog some neighbours have bought and it NEVER shuts up yapping

27 in the close-vote queue, but where oh where is the delete-vote queue.

it is so fucking annoying, i want to kick it to death

I can’t hear you. I wear earplugs.

Animal mutilation is extremely offensive, @Jez.

so is its yapping barking

it just keeps on and on

Perhaps you should see someone about developing some anger management skills before you wind up killing somebody.

Then call the police.

9:51 PM

yeah right like they'd do anything

That’s a citable offence in most jurisdictions.

Pity the poor pooch.

It is unhappy.

@Jez have you told them?

no

i guess they've locked it outside or something

tell them as soon as you see them imo

i cant even tell which garden it's in precisely

there are fences up

i can only hear the general direction

9:58 PM

this is the first time?

nope

did they leave the puppy outside?

if so that is !class

sounds like it

game-point.net/misc/dog.mp3

that's a recording

i can hear it even with my windows locked

There are a couple of things I could suggest them trying:
1) Try to limit the space for the puppy when alone, ime dogs stress less if they are in one room compared to running around in a house.
2) Gradually train the puppy to be alone, start with a long walk and when puppy is sleepy leave it for 30 minutes
3) Find an old lazy dog to keep it company and show it how to lounge

4) don't get a goddamn dog

i have no idea why people want dogs as pets

especially little yappy ones

10:04 PM

I like dogs so I'm biased

i mean some golden retrievers can be kind of nice and calm

but 4 applies if they leave a puppy alone much

but little dogs are just annoying

yeah most little dogs are that is true

10:33 PM

@Mitch Yes, the Vikings conquered Sicily early, 10th century, I think.

Sweden was arguably one of the great powers in the 17th–18th century.

@Cerberus so that's not exactly Caribbean, but it is warmer than northerly Europe.

Do they have palm trees in Sicily?

@Cerberus I know. What happened?

Did they get it out of their system?

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I don't undertand this "stress-timed" vs. "syllable-timed" thing

Wikipedia gives English as an example of a stress-timed language and French as an example of a syllable-timed one. The French speed up and slow down just as we do though.

@Mitch Quite.

Yes, I'm sure they have palm trees.

@Mitch Lost many wars against the Russians and the Germans, I believe.

And the Danes.

anyone get it?

lemonde.fr/europe/video/2014/02/17/…

the french translator changes the length of his syllables all the time

11:10 PM

@Cerberus But the French have lost lots of wars but they're still considered strong.

@Mitch They still had a lot more lands and people left.

Sweden is not densely populated.

France was relatively far larger before the 20th century than it is now.

But those wars didn't depopulate Sweden, did they?

Its population was, I don't know, several times that of England. Now they're the same.

No, but Sweden had less to begin with.

What about the Mongols? It seems like they were just a small group but with a lot of, let's say, energy.

They were.

But they managed to quickly use the resources of the people they subjugated, I think, though not in a sustainable way.

Except in China, to some extent.

11:15 PM

@Cerberus 'Its' = France? Really? I always thought England and France were comparable populations. You're saying only in the 20th c?

Where they were basically just a few people at the top, heading the existing bureaucracy.

The organisation of the Mongal "state" itself was bad, I think.

@Cerberus huh? how large was France then?

@Mitch Let's say around 1800? It was mostly in the 19th century that the population of France relatively stagnated while England's was rapidly expanding.

@Jez Depends on which time, but it was relatively far more densely populated than now, compared to the rest of Europe.

now Britain is overpopulated if anything

we "have to build 250,000 houses a year", yeah because our population is increasing wildly

> Until the middle of the 19th century, France had always been the most populous region of Western Europe since ancient times. 2,000 years ago, Gaul already had 8 million inhabitants, against about 6 million in Italy, 4 million in Germany and under 1 million in the British Isles.

In Medieval times, the population of France had peaked to an unprecedented 20 million in the first half of the 14th century. The plague and other epidemics reduced the population to 15 million around 1500. The population kept fluctuating up and down around 18 to 22 million until the early 18th century, then soared…

eupedia.com/forum/threads/…

11:23 PM

My Thai friend, might I have my tie?

@Jez Would you dye for your tie?

I wouldn't tie my Thai.

11:50 PM

I couldn't disagree more. If A is 40, then A is 10 times as much as B, but only 9 times more than A. That said, as much as and more than are often treated as synonyms in informal use, and for that reason both constructions should probably be avoided if precision is required. — phenry 5 hours ago

I have never once seen "ten times more" mean "eleven times more".

Oh well.

I guess there's a crazy dialect for everything.

@KitFox @Reg can mods see names of flaggers?

It depends on the flag.

chat flag?

@RegDwigнt Sorry, but that is why that is even a question.

It is actually ambiguous.

@JohanLarsson Only if it is a custom one, I think.

ok

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