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10:09 AM
It might be a narration.
But we cannot say until we have the full context.
 
there are no context)
 
What do you mean?
Everything has a context.
 
@Nimza My guess would be that there is an implied "if" bewteen the two sentences.
But it's just a guess.
 
Either that. Or the person is narrating the story and trying to report it the way the person in question might be speaking.
 
:-)
 
10:13 AM
this thing is called "the present simple for the future in //-clauses"
 
That's different.
 
Googling for that exact phrase returns results with an if.
It doesn't really make sense without.
Not grammatically, semantically.
 
good! // hence // means if?
 
Hah. So you did misquote it.
 
"//" = "if"
 
10:18 AM
I have no idea. I don't have the book. But to me // is a placeholder.
It does not mean if. It means 'insert the appropriate word here and explain why it's appropriate.'
 
to me too, that's why missed it in my quote :)))
 
Well you didn't miss it, you replaced it with a period and a capital letter!
Poor Noah had to make wild guesses.
(^_^)
 
aha :( I'm sorry, thank you for the help!
 
Anyway.
With the if it's perfectly normal.
I'm sure we have all kinds of questions on tenses in conditional clauses.
But present tense is really sort of the norm.
Normally people are more interested if they can use future "tense".
If X happens, I'll do Y. If I win, I'll retire.
And people tend to wonder if they can also say "If I will win, I'll retire". But that's a different question altogether.
 
aha, by the way, is there some relation between rules of use of tenses is sentences like "If X do Y will do" and "the sooner X do the sooner Y will do"? Are these two rules the particular cases of some one abstract rule?
 
10:51 AM
Apparently most neighborhoods in Longmont, the town NNE of me, are now flooded.
Rain will mostly hold off today, then return tomorrow for one more dump before letting us start to finally dry out on Monday.
181 people now unaccounted for.
This is freaky:
 
I read what you just posted instead :D
 
That’s the St Vrain River, the next largish one to the north from Boulder, up in Longmont. I think it’s 7 or 8 miles to the NE.
 
Have the insurance companies found a way out of this yet?
 
No, insurance doesn’t cover this.
Or rather, they have.
 
My thinking is that the only ones protected by insurances are the top-management guys in the company.
 
11:06 AM
posted on September 14, 2013 by sgdi

If someone has just made you cry You might just give this thing a try Make a dirty paste To squirt in their face Saying “hey, there’s mud in your eye”

 
Force Majeure?
 
The thing is that normal homeowner insurance never covers flood.
 
Is there a word for someone who is afraid of netwroks like Facebook?
*fobia
 
Oh my. @robusto is now officially number two. Teh raptchah iz neah!
 
Rain is on hiatus, waters receding in Boulder at least. But another major storm is due later today or probably tomorrow before it all finally moves on and lets us dry out starting Monday.
@JohanLarsson ‘Afraid’?
The county is just destroyed on so many places.
 
11:12 AM
A friend has a phobia of things like Facebook.
 
Plenty of reasonable people dislike lots of stuff without being irrationally afraid of them.
 
@JohanLarsson ah yes. NSAphobia, classification ICD-10 F40.01.
 
He is very reasonable in general but I think fear is appropriate when it comes to social networks. He extrapolates bad things happening to the world from using them.
@RegDwighт [x] Actual laugh, no coffee on screen though, was close :D
 
It can be a completely rational dislike.
 
@JohanLarsson Ah yes. Logic, classification: ICD-10 NOSHIT-Sherlock.
 
11:15 AM
But if it, hypothetically, was a textbook phobia? Are the commas right there?
 
I dunno, have you tried chasing him holding some scribblings?
The commas are fine.
 
I'm not after the diagnose, I'm looking for a word.
 
Oh. I haven't read that far back.
I just dive in here, leave a dumb comment on the latest comment, and leave.
 
Can’t believe how much of Longmont is underwater right now.
 
Ah I see. Well. Actually do look up ICD-10 F40.01. I think it does apply.
Agoraphobia (from Greek αγορά, "gathering place"; and φόβος/φοβία, -phobia) is an anxiety disorder characterized by anxiety in situations where the sufferer perceives certain environments as dangerous or uncomfortable, often due to the environment's vast openness or crowdedness. These situations include, but are not limited to, wide-open spaces, as well as uncontrollable social situations such as the possibility of being met in shopping malls, airports, and on bridges. Agoraphobia is defined within the DSM-IV TR as a subset of panic disorder, involving the fear of incurring a panic atta...
 
11:19 AM
open places right? torgskräck in Swedish
 
Well, that's the usual layman reading. The Agora was an open place.
 
Rational dislike of social media != irrational fear of same.
 
But if you read that snippet, it actually applies to FB as well.
But really you should just ask the dog. @Cerberus
@tchrist If nothing is done about the former, it turns into the latter.
 
And what is supposed to be done about a rational dislike?
 
apply negative logic maybe
 
11:22 AM
All I'm saying is, last I heard thousands of people were spending your tax money on not doing something about the former. At least not in the right direction.
 
I am not following.
 
Okay. Next attempt.
 
I’m timesharing my brain. Maybe you need a bigger slice.
 
If your dislike of X is actually rational, you should fix X. If X doesn't get fixed, it ultimately drives you crazy.
 
Oh.
 
11:24 AM
And nobody works on fixing the obvious problems with FB. In fact people are working on making it worse still.
 
I can’t fix the public frenzy.
Indeed.
I went through that with Microsoft.
 
So yeah. That's all I'm saying. You see a problem, everybody sees it, everybody agrees it is a problem, but nobody does shit. That can't be good for your mental health.
 
Are programs like Gimp ok to use while at work?
 
The Justice department tried.
W crushed it.
 
I have been using GIMP at work for twelve years.
 
11:26 AM
@JohanLarsson Why not?
 
@RegDwighт You managed to make sense, I was skeptical for a while, nice.
 
Sorry it was never my intention to make sense. Disregard.
Feb 27 '12 at 0:43, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
@SonicTheHedgehog No, no, no, no. Let me ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of this chat that said "Room in which Reg makes sense"? You know why you didn't see that sign? 'Cause it ain't there, 'cause making sense ain't my effing business, that's why!
 
@tchrist If there is something in the license, which I have not read, that hinders professional use.
 
Here’s some TV news flyover coverage. Looks like the towns in the plains are mostly underwater. This will take forever to clean up.
 
What are the estimates of how much money it will cost?
 
11:28 AM
There are none.
No one knows yet how bad it is.
Major highways are gone. Whole towns are decimated and more in the mountains.
Every county roadway leading west into the mountains is gone.
Not just buried. Gone.
 
The really bad news is that Obama doesn't need a reelection, so there's no incentive for the governent not to go about it in the most half-assed way.
 
All those people are isolated. Only the National Guard Blackhawk and Chinook choppers get in or out. The worst is that we have no idea what we will find up there in the western part of the county; no contact.
Jamestown at least the fire chief had a radio and could stay in contact.
But the smaller places, nothing.
 
> If you plan to be outside much in the winter, Irish or English, setter are good alternatives. does not feel right but don't know how to fix
 
@Reg So you think the Facebook phenom will just get worse, and that we will therefore go crazy?
@JohanLarsson I don’t what you mean. Dogs?
Irish setters, English setters?
 
@tchrist yes
 
11:33 AM
Then say setters are good alternatives, whether Irish or English. Something like that.
 
I should never have started to read Elements Of Style.
it is crippling my spamrate
 
How so?
 
@tchrist actually I am pretty sure it will go the way of MySpace and Geocities. So I'm not going crazy right now. Give it time.
 
waits
 
Tom waits.
 
11:37 AM
Sure haven’t heard “Geocities” lately.
Et expecto. . . .
 
That's a solid candidate for the most frequent pun in this room.
 
Aye.
 
@tchrist before I knew that my commas were wrong. Now, halfway in, I KNOW they are wrong. :D
 
I’m a regular waiter.
Although they tell you not to venture into the floodwaters.
 
11:41 AM
@RegDwighт We will now be able to reference antediluvian times in Colorado.
So much gone. The once and future town of Lyons. Well, presumably future.
This is certainly Katrinaësque out there in the county. I think Boulder proper got off easy. So far.
Except for the kids who died, of course. But the number of homes and businesses lost will be dramatically higher in places of full flooding.
I did see some buildings destroyed in the western edges of town.
 
Poor young couple :'(
 
By destroyed, I mean collapsed, not merely flooded out.
And one business downtown.
Those are they.
 
:''(
 
@RegDwighт I retired from the ring undefeated.
 
At least the people out in the county flat parts to the east had a chance to evacuate. Those up in the county’s pointy bits to the west had nowhere to flee to. It will take the Type-2 Incident Response Team days to get to all of them. They take command in 5 minutes here. 800 search&rescue, 8 choppers today.
 
11:55 AM
what a way to die...
 
So. Um. Someone just went to a Q&A site about English to ask where to find a Q&A site about English. The Maya were right, the world has come full circle.
@Robusto declaring victory and withdrawing. The wise-man approach.
 
@cyberskull A different guy&girl tried to leave my house that night, and rightly decided to turn back from that intersection where the kids died, and hunker down at my place instead. Or they might have joined them.
@RegDwighт Can’t lose a game you won’t play.
 
Especially after having played and won.
 
@RegDwighт We call that quitting while you’re ahead.
 
Nohat used to be in the lead forever, then myself, then Rob, now Barrie. It's the Steve Urkel of life.
 
11:59 AM
I wish we had a day with a fully declouded sun in the weather icon for the future.
@RegDwighт Which one is Ozzie?
 
Looks like if you can make it through the 70% you will have clear skies hopefully
 
Yeah.
Flash-flood watch again from this afternoon through tomorrow.
I don’t know that I would call what’s happening to the now-drowned towns a “flash” flood, though.
 
flood++?
 
There it’s an areal flood, not a flash flood.
Different kinds of disasters, really.
 
Weather is something you can only helplessly watch change...
 
12:05 PM
Flash floods come crashing down on you out of nowhere because they fell at higher elevation than you are, usually up in a canyon. Areal floods are rivers escaping their banks and spreading out everywhere. The first can provoke the second.
ponders flash mobs
 
12:17 PM
This is U.S. Interstate highway I-25 loading north from Denver towards Fort Collins and Wyoming right now:
Ok, trying smaller.
Looks like people will have to take the skyline detour: the one by chopper.
 
Has this been a learning experience @tchrist?
 
Here’s a before-and-after of the current entrance to Big Thompson Canyon, the same canyon where 146 people died in the 1976 flood there:
This is why the entire western part of the Front Range counties here is completly inaccessible. All roadways have been destroyed, not just covered with debris.
@cyberskull I’ve learnt that I was wrong about not needing flood insurance.
 
@tchrist well at least that is something.
Being able to admit that you were wrong.
 
I do that daily.
I’m a programmer.
My programs have bugs.
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Q: Came, saw, conquered

user52023It's sort of a silly question, but it confuses me and I have no choice but to ask. What is the most accurate way to write: He came, he same, he conquered. Is it OK to use 'and' as in 'and he conquered'; should there be a comma before 'and' as in: He came, he saw, and he conquered.

Presumably the most accurate way to write it is ueni, uidi, uici, or perhaps VENI VIDI VICI. — tchrist 1 min ago
Ask a silly question, . . .
 
How much would you guess this is going to cost you?
If it doesn't get worst.
 
12:34 PM
@tchrist If you start to draw CAD you will want to kiss persons pointing out errors in your work.
Bugs compiled in steel are nasty
 
@cyberskull Me personally, or the city, the county, or the state?
I don’t know any of those answers.
 
You personally.
Just a guess.
 
I don’t even know that. Conceivably $10-20k, depending. Maybe just a few grand.
> • Boulder's 25 square miles were awash in an estimated 4.5 billion gallons of water as of Friday morning, according to reports in The Denver Post.
The mass alone, not the velocity, of the river was as much as a train.
> • The velocity and churn of the water in Boulder Creek was the equivalent of a Class IV rapid, an "expert" level typically encountered on the Arkansas and Colorado rivers during runoff season.
It was acting like the Colorado River.
 
12:49 PM
Are the dams in any danger of breaking?
 
One broke. Twelve overflowed.
> • Flood stage in the Big Thompson River is 6 feet. Water in the Big Thompson crested at 10.55 feet at 6:30 a.m. Friday. That's more than the 9.31-foot peak in the 1976 flood that killed 144 people.
It looked like the Everglades out in the eastern parts of the county yesterday.
Our water treatment plants are struggling.
 
Let's hope history doesn't repeat :(
 
And a main broke, so we are now dumping raw sewage.
> The City of Boulder is reporting a significant breach in its main wastewater pipeline to the 75th Street Wastewater Treatment Plant. As flood waters began to recede, staff had visual confirmation at about 8:20 p.m. of a breach southwest of the wastewater treatment plant. There is no immediate threat to drinking water.
> City officials have confirmed that an approximate 300-foot breach is allowing untreated wastewater to discharge directly into Boulder Creek. There is no immediate threat to Boulder or Lafayette drinking water.
> Boulder’s drinking water is drawn from reservoirs upstream of the city; Lafayette has been drawing its drinking water from Baseline Reservoir and has not been drawing drinking water from Boulder Creek.
So nasty!
> In Arvada, silt levels in the city reservoir skyrocketed 950 units from the typical 4 and forced the shutdown of the water treatment plant for a few hours Friday . The silt "really overwhelmed our treatment process," said Brad Wyant, Arvada's plant supervisor.
> By Friday afternoon, there were two boil-water advisories in the flood zone — in Lyons, where the town is inundated, and for customers of the Left Hand Water District. A Central Weld County Water District main break near the St. Vrain River left Frederick and Firestone taps dry, and when the water comes back on, managers say, a boil order will be in place.
 
1:05 PM
The kids on the boards are in a soccer field.
I guess they weren’t up for water polo.
 
1:20 PM
looks like he's learned to dance in the rain
 
2:13 PM
@tchrist For the record, I played it and won it as long as it interested me to do so. Two and a half years holding a meaningless "championship" is quite enough, especially since there ain't no money in it. Also note that the current title holder has answered 50% more questions than I ever did. Magno conatu magnas nugas!
 
was it a rep competition?
 
If you want to characterize it that way, you are free to do so.
 
@Robusto Please don’t take any of what I said to heart.
Just got back from driving around town.
Looks like Mudville.
Roads covered in mud in a lot of places. The mouths look like a dumptruck unloaded a few loads of earth. That’s from construction crews scraping it up.
Areas west of Broadway still seeing water problems in places, areas east, not so much. But nothing like the massive flooding to my north up in Longmont etc.
Boulder OEM now puts the number of unaccounted for at 218.
> Air National Guard Brig. Gen. Peter J. Byrne appointed dual-status commander and will work with CO flood incident commanders. Dual-status Cmdr. can direct active-duty and reserve forces, and state NG forces, in response to domestic incidents.
This is the hillside behind my house. Look at the giant mudslides. And they extend right, repeating frequently, for as far as I can see.
 
2:29 PM
I'm gonna look for partridges with puppy. Nice weather, will hopefully get some pics.
 
Lotta heavy-lift military choppers buzzing around my back yard.
Enjoy.
Well, out my back window, technically.
 
looks so dry
 
@tchrist you ... you can drive around town?
@tchrist what's that pipe?
@RegDwighт Tom Waits for no man.
 
3:00 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yes, and a lot more places today than yesterday.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Dunno.
Not up into the mountains though.
That will take weeks, or longer.
Nor north to where the St Vrain has completely overrun towns like Longmont.
 
Hello.
 
@tchrist I'm glad you can get out!
Hello!
 
@RegDwighт Agoraphobia for being afraid of Facebook? That doesn't sound right...
 
These barracks are closing.
Looks nice for a barracks.
 
3:14 PM
Hm, it sent it twice?
 
Odd.
 
Quoth our Sheriff: “I wish I could say this were confined to one canyon.” Only in Boulder. :)
 
@Cerberus indeed!
 
I’ve got giant military Chinooks going right over my house right now that are so loud it shakes the house.
 
It's a warmitory.
@tchrist every time I read that, it reads like a racial slur.
 
3:21 PM
Chinooks are snow-eater winds.
 
To google for pictures.
 
Like the Mistral, or the Föhn.
 
Winds?
 
Well, that’s what the word Chinook means.
But these are choppers.
{| |} The Boeing CH-47 Chinook is an American twin-engine, tandem rotor heavy-lift helicopter. Its primary roles are troop movement, artillery placement and battlefield resupply. It has a wide loading ramp at the rear of the fuselage and three external-cargo hooks. With a top speed of 170 knots (196 mph, 315 km/h) the helicopter is faster than contemporary utility and attack helicopters of the 1960s. The CH-47 is among the heaviest lifting Western helicopters. Its name is from the Native American Chinook people. The Chinook was designed and initially produced by Boein...
And mind you, this is just one country out of 14 that are part of the disaster zone.
 
I only knew that it was the name of a helicopter, not a wind.
 
3:27 PM
Oh.
Here it is more known for the wind-name.
Also salmon, I think, but
Chinook winds , often called chinooks, commonly refers to foehn winds in the interior West of North America, where the Canadian Prairies and Great Plains meet various mountain ranges, although the original usage is in reference to wet, warm coastal winds in the Pacific Northwest of the United States of America. Chinook is claimed by popular folk-etymology to mean "eater", but it is really the name of the people in the region where the usage was first derived. The reference to a wind or weather system, simply "a Chinook", originally meant a warming wind from the ocean into the interior ...
 
3:48 PM
That’s here, now.
We now have 12 military aircraft here working the rescue effort. No wonder I’m constantly buzzed.
 
ya know I'm / through with buzz / yes I'm / through with buzz
 
Civilian aircraft are en route today for reconnaissance work, not rescue work, which the military will do everything on.
 
I have no idea what’s going on in the adjacent Jefferson, Larimer, or Weld Counties, but I believe it is at least as serious if not more so. Weld has many thousands of acres completely flooded, much of it residential.
And Longmont is toast. Hm, what’s the right metaphor there?
 
Soggy toast. :(
 
3:53 PM
Lots of places today in town are giving away free meals to evacuees and first responders.
 
That's awesome.
 
Drowned sponges, like.
 
But their natural habitat is underwater.
Well, the real ones.
 
4:06 PM
They cancelled the CU football game for this weekend.
Do you have any idea how momentous that is?
It has happened only twice before.
One was the JFK assassination, and the other was 9/11.
As our mayor said, “We don’t need 30,000 people descending on us right now.”
 
4:18 PM
Is this worse than Katrina now in terms of flooded space?
 
4:33 PM
I have no idea.
Looking at those submarine pictures, you wonder.
 
@tchrist small houses or big chopper
 
4:54 PM
<- Fishing for a film recommendation feeling lazy
 
5:05 PM
Velvia 100F.
 
@JohanLarsson The Big Lebowski.
 
@tchrist never heard of it ty
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 classic, should probably be watched once every year
 
@JohanLarsson It’s positive film for making slides, not negative film.
 
@tchrist meh, got it now
 
i'm not much for movies.
 
5:17 PM
is it a film or movie if you watch at home?
 
Those aren’t different things.
Just depends how high-brow you feel like being.
@Corn mmm
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Q: You can still contact me "through" your phone though vs "via" your phone?

MuratThe question is simple. But I am having problems with the answer,so which one is the "correct" one ?

 
@tchrist ?
Grammar?
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 BST?
^^^^^
 
Feels like it.
 
5:21 PM
I don't know.
 
Not enough to be sure, but it feels like it.
It’s enough to make you wonder, that’s for sure.
Which is different from having enough to be sure.
Which we will have as soon as it posts a comment or another question.
 
Flagged, downvoted.
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A: Why do "prisoner" and "jailer" mean different things?

tom hallfuck off u wanker or i will break ur legs

 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 me neither just felt lazy tonight
 
@JohanLarsson Have you decided?
 
That one we can kill outselves.
 
5:33 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 just remembered I had a beer so renting was never an option, leaning towards re-watching Apocalypse Now
 
How come “had a beer so rent was never an option”?
> In Estes Park, trapped residents had to zip-line to safety, barely skimming the waters where lawns, streets and parks once stood. More than a year’s worth of rain has fallen in less than three days.
 
@tchrist can't drive any more
 
1. From one beer? What did you do, drink a barrel? 2. Why would you have to drive to rent a film?
I have to go pick somebody up. Today is rip-out-the-soaked-basement-carpet day.
 
Still as bad as yesterday?
 
@tchrist We have zero as limit in practice in Sweden, think the limit is 0.2 ‰
@tchrist 2: because I don't know any ppv thing. Don't watch movies often.
 
5:46 PM
@JohanLarsson wow!
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 yeah, I'm not even sure you can wash your hands using alco-gel and drive :D
upside is that it makes things really simple, downside is manageable
 
6:23 PM
It has begun to rain again, only sprinkling so far.
 
6:43 PM
There’s a long line at the hardware store of people waiting for the afternoon shipment of sump pumps to arrive.
 

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