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9:08 PM

I think I might know a way to trigger the chat bot, test:

stop

HAMMERTIME!

ha

stop

HAMMERTIME!

Will you stop that?

Do stop

9:16 PM

HAMMERTIME!

TELEGRAM SENT TO YOU STOP CAPRICA SIX MUST DIE STOP

HAMMERTIME!

Well, that was 27 seconds of the mildest amusement I can imagine right now.

yeah, .*stop

HAMMERTIME!

9:19 PM

So stop is what it has to end on?

looks like it

makes some sense, i think the lyrics are like that

guess we could also read the source

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

I'm writing an answer to a question on the site, and I want to upload an image as part of that answer. The image is not public domain or creative commons, but is clearly attributed - I'm pointing at the site it comes from, but want to include the image in the answer.

Is this a case of fair-use, or should I just leave the link and send the readers to the site?

@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I'm not sure, but I would just embed the image. I always do that. Worst-case scenario, SE gets a take-down notice and the image gets removed.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

I wonder how many of those SE gets a week. :)

Probably not that many...

They should move SE to Iceland!

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

9:33 PM

There, added the image. Thanks.

Yay!

@Rob Can I dangle my “with” in “Kommst du mit?” without a mir?

It has been suggested that German immigrants may have had something to do with “Are you coming with?” in English, but I dunno.

@tchrist Yes.

That is the normal expression.

Works in Dutch, too?

Yes, except that postpositional/adverbial with normally changes from met into me(d)e.

Kom je mee?

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

9:39 PM

Lots of German immigrants in Minnesota?

Wisconsin. Yes.

Especially in the south whence I originate.

There may very well be a connection with German.

Or where I come from. :)

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is trolling, or just genuinely curious but with a less-than-idiomatic control of English.

Or just overly literal.

Huh?

You mean the guy asking that question?

9:43 PM

Are you talking about me?

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Carlo_R's comment to my answer on the "come with" question.

I take it to be a native speaker.

Oh, Carlo.

Ahh.

His English not good.

Carlo is not trolling, just...being Carlo.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

9:44 PM

Yeah. My first response was a bit curt, but I understood he was, indeed, being literal.

Just a bit unexpected.

Understandable.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Well, more flippant than curt.

I grew up with “Hey, you coming with?” — so much so that nobody would even notice it.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

I like the word "flippant", even more than I like being flippant.

Then he probably didn't get that anyway, so no worries.

Me lieks it too.

9:46 PM

Minnesota had plenty of Germigrants as well.

Although probably fewer than Scandihoovian. Quite literally half my kindergarten had names that ended in -sen or -son.

And I don’t mean Johnson. Usually.

Notice it is also in the Chicago area.

I sent Katz something once.

I think it was the lack of L-suppression in calm, palm, wolf, gulf, etc.

Hey, there’s an enclave in Pennsylvania.

Wanna bet it’s from the P. Dutch?

Read: Germans.

You know, the OP on that question is just a peever wanting justification for his peeving.

Not good for him.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Peevers gotta peeve.

Never a good thing to do in a room full of descriptivists.

@Reg You beat me by 30 seconds on the dupe.

The musical instruments one?

Yeah.

@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I resent that accusation!

9:54 PM

I just happened to be closing questions anyway, so I thought why not close more while I'm at it.

Good idea.

18 hours ago, by tchrist

I firmly believe that in the fullness of time, ELU will become asymptotically closer to 100% duplicates.

Your shark is much more menacing going right-to-left than he would be going left-to-right.

Personally, I'd like to close any questions of the form "I want to know about this structure/word and when to use it." But it's not always feasible.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

@tchrist Also a slight popularity for the term around Las Vegas. Wonder what that means.

Just because it is lighter red? There aren’t many people in Nevada outside Las Vegas and Reno.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Look at the individual maps, the people answering "yes". It's yellower than the surrounding states. But it could just be the sparseness of the population.

9:58 PM

Punctuation abuse alert!

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A: Why have some plural pronouns replaced singular pronouns?

I remember when I was very young, my grandpa used to use the words ¨thou¨ and ¨thee¨ and ¨wert¨ and ¨wast¨, as well as other people in Yorkshire. When I was at school, these words were used to express a closeness to people, and as I was growing up, they were removing all these words from the old...

He’s using diaereses as though they were quote marks!!!

@AvnerShahar-Kashtan That’s what I was thinking. Then again, there were a bit of German immigrants in the Texas Hill Country down west of Austin, if I recall correctly.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

@tchrist Yikes, he is! I didn't even notice that's what they were.

Code point U+00A8.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

@tchrist He claims to be English and his profile gives no hint as to his whereabouts. What keyboard layout has diaresis on tap?

Yeah.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

Maybe it's a free-floating umlaut.

10:01 PM

But his comment is something I’ve heard of older people from Yorkshire.

What needs a free-floating diaeresis/umlaut?

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

It's Unicode, it's there for us, whether we need it or not.

Careful, or you’ll get a 45-minute exegesis on it outta me for the drop of a hat.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

sigh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut#Band_or_album_name_examples

@tchrist These days, "thou and thee and wert and wast" in your speech suggest you've just read Lady Chatterley's Lover for the first time.

Mayhap.

10:05 PM

@tchrist Also I caught you using especial.

Of late?

’Twas surely a fortnight past.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

I pity the native German speaker who tries to pronounce the album name " Rrröööaaarrr" with the umlauts.

I have an especial fondness for the word.

Just whine.

@tchrist Nine hours ago.

Hmm.

Well, it is a normal part of my working vocabulary. I don’t even notice it. Honest.

10:08 PM

@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Actually that would work pretty well.

@tchrist Possible irony: you were discussing "awkward and pretentious-sounding sentences". :D

Could be, could be.

But I will use "especially" at the drop of a hat.

It makes for a poor adjective.

So would you say "my special favorite" or "mine especial favorite"?

Huh?

I never use mine eyes like that.

What do you think the username monbois is really meaning? My wood?

He’s kinda strongly putting things.

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A: Is "evidence" countable?

What do you expect from a wacko creationist website?! What do they care if their English sucks? The majority of their visitors will never know! No one with intelligence today would use a word like evidences. Not as a noun anyway. It could be used as a verb, I suppose, but that's still awkward: H...

Sure, I thought the same thing, but I didn’t post it.

But I don’t go around with a username that worships his own boner.

Not a very good answer, all in all.

> No one with intelligence today would use a word like evidences.

> Where are you from, anyway? I would never use a word like firstly.

Plus it’s surely offensive to wacko Creationists.

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

10:14 PM

I can see a case for "evidences", like "fishes", when you're referring both to a plurality of evidence and a (relevant) plurality of types of evidence. But I still would probably not use it.

If you edit the stuff out that shouldn’t be there, little is left.

Where little means nothing.

@tchrist Offensive.

Yeah, I’m afraid so.

I already threw one of those flags today, too.

99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. . . .

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

@tchrist EL&U, where wacko creationists can have their poor grammar subtly mocked just like everyone else. No reason to shut them out.

Subtly? I think I missed that part.

10:18 PM

@tchrist I had to vote that one up.

@tchrist You're right to generalize about this user: english.stackexchange.com/a/110924/14073

Avner Shahar-Kashtan

@MετάEd So the word "homosexual" is both a titillating attention-grabber and a clinical lab term?

@MετάEd What, as a wood-worshipper?

11:14 PM

What the hell.

Carlo is a goofball. Taking all these weirdly worded questions literally.

Also, why so many erudite but stupid questions?

Also did the geoguessr guy just really pick all these places in the middle of nowhere -on purpose-? They're just not random, but... but... Why?

@AvnerShahar-Kashtan My eyes kind of glazed over on that answer. It's bombast, not reason. It could even be right, but who knows.

It's partly right, but a bit polemic and exaggerated.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

11:42 PM

@tchrist I grew up with that one. Also, needs washed was around but less than popular.

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