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MετάEd

2:00 PM

Someone needs to revive Man v. Food.

KitFox

@MετάEd Ich something-clever-in-German.

tchrist

kluge

RegDwighт

@MετάEd I propose it be Matter Eater Lad!

Robusto

@KitFox kludge

tchrist

jinx

Robusto

2:00 PM

No jinx. Mine was a joke.

KitFox

sighs I'm so misunderstood.

tchrist

hmms

RegDwighт

No jinx, tchrist's was a typo.

Alexander Kluge

:Not to be confused with Alexandra Kluge, his sister and a film actress. Alexander Kluge (born 14 February 1932) is a German author and film director. Early life, education and early career Kluge was born in Halberstadt in present-day Saxony-Anhalt, Germany. After growing up during World War II, he studied history, law and music at the University of Marburg Germany, and the Johann Wolfgang Goethe University of Frankfurt am Main in Germany. He received his doctorate in law in 1956. While studying in Frankfurt, Kluge befriended the philosopher Theodor Adorno, who was teaching at t...

tchrist

Where were all you allemanophones last night when we were Kommt ihr Töchtering?

RegDwighт

Is that Wagner?

Then no wonder I wasn't around.

tchrist

2:02 PM

glares

What day is today?

RegDwighт

Mar 24 '11 at 14:20, by RegDwight

Wagner can only write giant phone books.

According to Debussy.

tchrist

@RegDwighт If they’re German phone books, then they sort funnily.

KitFox

@tchrist 29 March 2013

RegDwighт

@tchrist today is that good day on which we kill lord our savior.

tchrist

That one.

KitFox

2:04 PM

snerkles

tchrist

12 hours ago, by tchrist

Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen,Sehet— Wen? — den Bräutigam, seht ihn — Wie? — als wie ein Lamm! O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig am Stamm des Kreuzes geschlachtet, Sehet, — Was? — seht die Geduld,allzeit erfunden geduldig, wiewohl du warest verachtet. erbarm dich unser, o Jesu! Seht — Wohin? — auf unsre Schuld All Sünd hast du getragen, sonst müßten wir verzagen. Sehet ihn aus Lieb und Huld Holz zum Kreuze selber tragen! Sehet ihn aus Lieb und Huld Holz zum Kreuze selber tragen.

MετάEd

@KitFox No, no, not snerkles. It was called, oh I can't remember, the Sesame Street thing with the long nose.

tchrist

12 hours ago, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

So . . . bunnies. Chocolate.

12 hours ago, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Pleasant things.

RegDwighт

@tchrist sorry I fell asleep at sehet.

tchrist

12 hours ago, by tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 The Last Supper. Gethsemane. Golgotha. INRI.

12 hours ago, by tchrist

Sorry, just injecting a bit of seasonal cheer.

KitFox

2:05 PM

@MετάEd No, no, not Snuffleupagus. You're thinking of something that would be a really funny and clever pun on that word.

You people and your silly rituals.

tchrist

@RegDwighт Wachet auf.

KitFox

eats chocolate bunny

RegDwighт

KitFox

applauds

RegDwighт

Here's your seasonal cheer.

I get you the season, Kit gets you the cheer.

2:06 PM

hands out ale

Oh, BWV 140. Now I understand. I went from BWV 139 straight on to BWV 141.

KitFox

Pages stuck together?

RegDwighт

It will have to pause for Simple Minds.

tchrist

Bach sure had weird Latin.

RegDwighт

2:08 PM

And now Barry White!

Sorry Johann. But it's Barry. You will understand.

I think this is the first time in forteen months that I am listening to radio.

And it's not proper radio anyway.

Web radio.

tchrist

so it means no? — user41412 2 mins ago

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox ginger?

tchrist

In words of just one sound group each, yes.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I would be for you.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox bites lip

RegDwighт

2:11 PM

Bite your lip, get up and dance!

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

shakes fat

brbs

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Try drinking a glass of water.

This makes some interesting points.

> The dirty little secret about the Baroque era is that it is among the poorest musically. Mozart could worship at the altar of Bach, Handel, Haydn, etc. But who was Bach's musical hero? Buxtehude. Yes, that's right, the immortal Dietrich Buxtehude himself! Sure, Bach also had the French and Italian masters to learn from, but no artist in history ever so towered over his elders.

Robusto

2 hours ago, by Robusto

@tchrist Christianity never lived up to the St. Matthew Passion. If it had, my life might have been different.

tchrist

> Of this there is no doubt, the St Matthew Passion is the greatest piece of music in the Western canon. Unlike Coltrane's music, it is easily accessible, but that instant welcome is deceptive. As in the case of Coltrane, to appreciate the Himalayan heights of the SMP takes a little initiation. The Mass in Bm and Mozart's Requiem, both worthy rivals, are much easier to ingest and digest. Ultimately, staying power is the measure of all art.

Robusto

@tchrist Bullshit. Bach cribbed copiously from Vivaldi.

tchrist

2:16 PM

Yah, I know.

Which says he appreciated him more than he did Buxtawhoever.

Robusto

Dietrich Buxtehude, IIRC.

KitFox

What an annoying first paragraph. stops reading

Robusto

An organist. Well, why wouldn't Bach have been interested in an organist-composer?

tchrist

@KitFox I got lost in the third one.

Robusto

@tchrist ~~Wait, Haydn? Haydn was 18 when Bach died.~~ Oh, wait -- he was talking about Mozart. Sorry.

KitFox

2:19 PM

Papa Haydn.

RegDwighт

If oinly Haydn had died before teaming up with George Lucas.

tchrist

@RegDwighт Not the other way around?

Robusto

@RegDwighт Did you mean oily or only. We're not going to allow you to have both.

KitFox

So for some reason, I have the Nutcracker Suite in my head now.

RegDwighт

@tchrist You mean if only George Lucas had died t50 years earlier? Yeah works for me.

@Robusto it's the oil in the ointment.

tchrist

2:21 PM

Funny how short a period the classical one was, with Haydn’s left foot being in the baroque and his right foot being in the romantic.

But he quickly shook off his left foot.

RegDwighт

@KitFox that was Coffeekovski.

tchrist

I keep reading SMP as symmetric multi-processing.

Robusto

@tchrist The Bach children were boring. Proof once again that talent skips a generation.

RegDwighт

@tchrist That is a boring pastime.

tchrist

@Robusto I would like to find an exception to that. Really, I would.

But, well.

RegDwighт

2:23 PM

@Robusto I think it didn't skip a generation as much as it bent its gender. And nobody listens to woman composers.

tchrist

There’s that CPE piece in Cm one learns as a kid, Sinfonietta I think it is called.

But yeah.

Robusto

I wouldn't trade the humblest partita in the BWV catalog for all of his children's scribblings.

tchrist

No.

But his children did us all great good.

Because he wrote for them.

RegDwighт

He wrote for money.

And good money it was, for once.

Robusto

Yeah, but it was Mendelssohn we have to thank for so much of Bach.

MετάEd

2:25 PM

@KitFox No, no, not the sniffles. You're thinking of that Liverpudlian music style.

RegDwighт

Actually I would like to step up and thank Bartholomeo Christophori for so much of Bach.

Or was it with an F?

Yeah with an F.

And no H.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd No, no, not skiffle. You're thinking of rainbow sweets

tchrist

Mendel’s son revived Bach a century later in the popular press, but he was never gone from the composers’ minds.

KitFox

@MετάEd Argh, these are too hard for my poor half-deaf head. sulks No, no, not piffles. It's that Australian music group what does music for kids.

Skiffle? I've never heard of skiffle.

@MattЭллен Not skittles. It's that thing you get when you eat too many green apples.

Robusto

Meeting time. AFK.

tchrist

2:28 PM

> Bach's style went out of favour in the time around his death, and most music in the early Classical period had neither contrapuntal complexity nor a great variety of keys. But, with the maturing of the Classical style in the 1770s, the Well-Tempered Clavier began to influence the course of musical history, with Haydn and Mozart studying the work closely.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен No, no, not Skittles. You're thinking of those pastries you make instead of pancakes.

KitFox

stomps

frowns

tchrist

It just wasn’t printed till 1801. But they had it beforehand. I seem to recall that Wolfboy got it from a Bach fils.

Robusto

@tchrist IIRC, he found a bunch of manuscripts that one of his students was using as wrapping paper. Or maybe that story is apocryphal. Well, no time to check. Stand up!

MετάEd

@KitFox Google is trying to tell me Piff & Mr Piffles?

KitFox

2:32 PM

@MετάEd No, the Wiggles.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox in the summertime, when the weather is high / you can stretch right up and touch the sky

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MετάEd

@KitFox Oh. Not the Wiggles. You're thinking of that other band made up of flying kids.

KitFox

Uh...I dunno.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd not... waffles? You're thinking of dirty homes.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен No, no. Not wattle & daub. You're totally off track. It's those two magicians.

Matt Эллен

2:41 PM

@KitFox no no, not stitches. you're thinking of female dogs

I used to eat carrots, like you, until I took a vegetable peeler to the nail

KitFox

@MattЭллен You get stitches from that? Weird. I get the skitters.

@MattЭллен Hahaha. I see what you did there.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox well, no, I don't think I've had pain from eating too many apples. skitters is not a word I know

KitFox

The green-apple trots?

Matt Эллен

nope :)

KitFox

It's not a pain so much as a condition.

MετάEd

2:44 PM

@MattЭллен No, no, not vixen. You're thinking of those little fairies.

Matt Эллен

ah

@MετάEd no, no, not The Pixies. You're thinking of that band Dave Grohl used to be in

KitFox

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Matt Эллен

ah the Pixies. good times

tchrist

@MετάEd As opposed to the big ones?

KitFox

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This one always reminds me of my ex-

Matt Эллен

2:56 PM

it's my fave foo's song :D

KitFox

You are rather oddly like my ex-.

Except posh, because you're British.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен That has a name like Pixies?

@tchrist I know big fairies.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd no, that's influenced by the Pixies

MετάEd

@MattЭллен Oh.

Matt Эллен

I was bending the rules

MετάEd

2:59 PM

No wonder I couldn't think of one.

:D

You like Audioslave?

ehhhhh not so much

Depeche Mode?

I like RATM

3:00 PM

rollingstone.co.za/musicrev/item/…

Dave Grohl's massive drumsticks.

Matt Эллен

I never really listened to Depeche Mode. I remember I liked the songs I heard

MετάEd

People just don't stop making phallic art.

2

KitFox

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Matt Эллен

is that the right video?

KitFox

I can't tell if this is a remix. It doesn't sound like I remember, but maybe because I'm deafened.

coughs

Matt Эллен

3:03 PM

yeah, that sounds like a remix

KitFox

It seems less...the tempo sounds faster.

I think the video is interesting though.

Matt Эллен

it's a Mike Shinoda remix

the guy from Linkin Park

KitFox

Oh, that explains the...difference.

tchrist

KitFox

I was going to be all cool and shit, but suddenly I feel like being moody instead.

tchrist

3:05 PM

T. rex’s massive drumstick.

KitFox

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tries to look all broody and artistic

tchrist

broody?

They never tell me anything.

A adj. 1 Prolific; apt or inclined to breed.
2 Of fowls: Inclined to ‘sit’ or incubate.
3 fig. Of a person: contemplative, (sullenly) meditative; feeling depressed or moody. Of a woman: feeling a maternal desire to have a(nother) baby.
B sb. A broody hen.

Got it.

Don’t know that I have seen that word before.

MετάEd

Davy Jones before the Monkees. Wow. Just wow.

KitFox

@tchrist OK, #3, but not the "of a woman" bullshit.

tchrist

I suppose you could use breedery for that other sense.

Matt Эллен

3:10 PM

@MετάEd when he was stuck at the bottom of the ocean, trying to get out of his locker?

MετάEd

@tchrist Google's "similar images" are interesting.

@MattЭллен Yeah.

KitFox

@tchrist Breedery would be a place for breeding, wouldn't it?

tchrist

Hm.

MετάEd

@KitFox And a mockery would be a place for mocking. Yes.

tchrist

Breederish? Breedish? Breedy?

Inclined toward breediness?

MετάEd

3:11 PM

And then there's your Colin Mochrie mockery, which is a place to mock Mochrie.

And then if you want to mock Doc, I suppose you would do that in a Hickory Dickory Mockery.

tchrist

Strange that Texas should have a quality-control problem with their recreational drug supply.

breed [n.]
breed [v.]
breed-cup ← breed
breeder [n.]
breediness ← breedy
breeding [ppl. adj.]
breeding [vbl. n.]
breedingness ← breeding
breed-society ← breed
breedy [adj.]

@MετάEd How does that work? Link?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Remind me what #FF means in twitterland.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ÿ

Oh wait, that’s the code point.

fairly fucked?

feeling fine?

fat fecker?

KitFox

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tchrist

Oh her!

I tell ya, it is way weird seeing some of these weirdo videos that go with well-known tunes.

KitFox

3:21 PM

All of Bjork's videos are weird, I think.

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She messes up the lip synching.

IMO

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist have you broken 100F?

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Wasn’t when I woke up this morning. Still dithering in the 99s.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oeuf.

KitFox

You on the Z-pac?

Matt Эллен

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 FollowFriday

don't ask me waht that means, though

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

3:27 PM

@MattЭллен ah! Thank you!

KitFox

I wish I looked like that and could move my hips like that.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Time to eat a hearty breakfast and finish cleaning my crap shack.

KitFox

Hey! I'm having lunch! We can eat together.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

nom

MετάEd

@tchrist Links are tricky. Click the image, then "Search Google with this image", then "Visually Similar Images"

KitFox

3:30 PM

She's so symmetrical. It's almost freakish.

MετάEd

@KitFox You can't not mess up the lip synching.

KitFox

I think she shouldn't sing in English, is what I think.

Not that anyone cares what I think.

Golly, I'm full of piss and vinegar today.

MετάEd

@KitFox That's gotta be uncomfortable.

KitFox

It's also not really what I mean.

But I can't think of the proper expression.

I'm pissy today? I guess that's it.

Only a few more months until the house is done though. My mood should improve with the weather.

tchrist

@KitFox Sour wine with gall, eh?

KitFox

3:33 PM

Gall?

tchrist

Seasonal reference to Golgotha.

KitFox

Oh.

Can't say as I know much about those rituals.

tchrist

“They gave Him sour wine mingled with gall to drink. But when He had tasted it, He would not drink.” Matthew 27:34

KitFox

Was that a typical thing to do?

tchrist

That is a point of debate.

I do not know that we know.

But there is much speculation.

KitFox

3:37 PM

How would you even collect your own gall?

Oh. It doesn't say our gall.

tchrist

It may have been myrrh.

Mark says myrrh.

KitFox

What does Luke say?

You can't trust Matthew, after all. And John is right out.

Matt Эллен

hey!

I'm right here

KitFox

Sorry.

tchrist

It appears to have been an anaesthetic.

But Dr Luke our physician is silent on the matter.

KitFox

3:40 PM

So it was made up later then.

tchrist

No, it was forgotten later then.

Silly.

KitFox

Well, if Mark and Q disagree, then it was made up.

tchrist

Nope.

Silly again.

It could have both been present.

The three synoptic gospels tell essentially the same story in the same order.

Minor discrepancies between them are easily explained by their having different authors.

Remember also when they were written.

KitFox

Yeah, I do. I was there.

tchrist

Furthermore, copyists’ errors do not count as fabulations.

KitFox

3:47 PM

So my snot is no longer bright yellow.

Matt Эллен

yay!

infection is on its way out!

KitFox

I still can't hear.

And my head hurts off and on.

But still. Not bad.

tchrist

KitFox

I don't really feel like working.

Matt Эллен

isn't today a national holiday in the USA?

KitFox

3:49 PM

What? Why?

Matt Эллен

Good Friday

MετάEd

@KitFox Q. Feh.

Mark is Q.

Matt Эллен

I figured you'd do the same as us

KitFox

Good Friday? This isn't a Christian nation.

Nor a Jewish one.

@MετάEd Don't start with me about the Q!

MετάEd

@MattЭллен Not just no, but hell no.

Matt Эллен

3:50 PM

@KitFox so your holiday for Christmas...

KitFox

@MattЭллен Everybody celebrates Christmas. It's a secular holiday.

Like New Year's.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox lol.

tchrist

KitFox

@MattЭллен I'm serious. I'm not Christian and we celebrate Christmas.

tchrist

Easter is a secular holiday, but Good Friday is not.

Matt Эллен

3:51 PM

so no holiday for Easter Monday, either?

KitFox

No.

tchrist

However, some people get it off.

You often either get off the Friday before or the Monday after Easter.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I'm atheist, I celebrate Christmas, but the point is the name and the reason are not secular

KitFox

Well, it's is April Fool's this year. That would be funny.

@MattЭллен But the reason we get the holiday is secular.

tchrist

Apparently the pope gave out Easter eggs this year. Seems like a very strange mixed message to me.

KitFox

3:53 PM

He washed women's feet too.

MετάEd

@KitFox My favorite book on the subject is D. Akenson, Saint Saul: A Skeleton Key to the Historical Jesus.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox how so? you get the holiday because christians founded your nation.

KitFox

Clearly, he's going straight to hell.

MετάEd

@tchrist I love synchretism.

KitFox

@MattЭллен What? Christians didn't found our nation.

tchrist

3:54 PM

@KitFox We’ve been there, and high hell was raised by our resident heretic.

MετάEd

@KitFox Why do I want that to be didn't find :D

Matt Эллен

@KitFox ok, whatever they hadn't been christened and didn't believe in god and jesus. sure

KitFox

@MετάEd Looks interesting.

MετάEd

@tchrist Wait. I wanna be resident heretic. No, actually I want to be advocatus diaboli.

@KitFox It's really, really good.

KitFox

And anyway, Easter is not a government holiday.

MετάEd

3:55 PM

Akenson does very careful scholarship. What can you actually conclude about the ancient texts using scientific knowledge and appropriate standards of evidence.

Matt Эллен

OK.

tchrist

@KitFox What, really? Are you saying that Leif Ericson worshipped Þór instead?

KitFox

Patriot's Day, on the other hand, is.

Robusto

@MετάEd I agree with the sentiment, and yet the stock markets are closed. Hmm ... evidence that money is a religion (or something like that)?

KitFox

But only for Massachusetts and former parts of Massachusetts.

Robusto

3:57 PM

That's right. The rest of these idiots have no patriotism.

KitFox

Those fuckers wanted to take our holiday and make it on Sept 11th. We told them to find another nationalistic label to stick on it!

Patriot's Day is for hating the British!

Not the terrorists!

(No offence, @Matt.)

tchrist

> Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Robusto

In fact, we fucked the British so hard their eardrums popped — a year before the Declaration of Independence — and they packed up their kit and moved to New York for the duration. Which may be why we hate New York so much.

tchrist

@KitFox I thought Kick-the-Britz day was July 4th?

Robusto

@tchrist Yes, but something had to be last.

KitFox

3:59 PM

@Robusto Oh, there's an idea. Makes notes

tchrist

Ya know, if this keeps up the alien mods are gonna whitewash us.

Robusto

47 secs ago, by Robusto

In fact, we fucked the British so hard their eardrums popped — a year before the Declaration of Independence — and they packed up their kit and moved to New York for the duration. Which may be why we hate New York so much.

KitFox

Patriots' Day

Patriots' Day (officially Patriots' Day in Massachusetts and Patriot's Day in Maine) is a civic holiday commemorating the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the first battles of the American Revolutionary War. It is observed on the third Monday in April in Massachusetts and Maine (once part of Massachusetts), and is a public school observance day in Wisconsin. Observances and re-enactments of these first battles of the American Revolution occur annually at Lexington Green in Lexington, Massachusetts, (around 6:00 am) and The Old North Bridge in Concord, Massachuset...

tchrist

That’s not a real holiday.

Just something for FRP enthusiasts.

Robusto

We fired the shot heard 'round the world. Deal with it.

tchrist

4:00 PM

I thought Krakatoa did that?

KitFox

Go read Johnny Tremain for heaven's sake.

Kids these days. No education.

tchrist

As though Heaven cares.

Robusto

@tchrist Did Krakatoa fight the British? No. Mainly the Dutch and the island peoples.

tchrist

And won.

@Robusto You make it sound like they were different people from us.

Robusto

@tchrist And, not incidentally, contributed to the founding of the Muslim jihadist movement.

tchrist

4:03 PM

?

Robusto

Read The Day the World Exploded by Simon Winchester.

amazon.com/gp/product/…

tchrist

Cool.

Robusto

> Most significant of all — in view of today’s new political climate — the eruption helped to trigger in Java a wave of murderous anti-Western militancy among fundamentalist Muslims: one of the first outbreaks of Islamic-inspired killings anywhere.

The author's own words.

It's an interesting book all the way through, by the way.

tchrist

I’ve read the other one, the OED one.

@KitFox You’re probably one of those Plymouth-deniers who pretend that the Mayflower first stopped off for a wild holiday in P-town.

KitFox

P-town. Hahaha.

tchrist

4:11 PM

That that P stands for “penis” is mere apocrypha, you do realize.

Robusto

Annotation: P-town refers to Provincetown now, and it is a gay enclave. So it "stands for 'penis'" more than you may have intended.