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7:00 PM
Oh, maybe the other browser.
 
I'm sure I'll get used to it and then other phones will look too red.
 
@tchrist Umm this is the real Santiago.
We were talking about the New World.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Absolutely.
 
@Cerberus You don’t like royalty? :)
 
Also I'm disappointed that it didn't ship with earbud headphones.
 
@tchrist Royalty?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm what do you need more earbuds for?
 
7:02 PM
Accessories are expensive, so between headphones and a wireless charger (which, honestly, should be included, or else don't advertise "wireless charging"), if I wanted all the accessories it'd be like $100 more
 
@Cerberus The real Santiago would be the royal one, of course. :)
 
@Cerberus I only have one good set and there are 4 people in my family
 
I still use iPhone earbuds.
 
And lo! You can get Street View! Way cool!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So anyway, I'm getting more and more convinced that an extreme budget phone is perfectly fine and that even I will not notice that much of a difference.
@tchrist How is it royal?
Holy, perhaps. But royal?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ehhh since when are headphones expensive?
Especially earbuds.
 
7:03 PM
@Cerberus Of course, there are lots of "budget" phones that are perfectly good. But the software support is a problem for me. I want 1. updates straight from google, and 2. cyanogenmod.
 
@Cerberus "real" is double-meaninged.
 
@aediaλ ! Turncoat!
 
White-ear!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's what I thought when I went from an HTC Evo to the Galaxy Nexus, so I'm nervous about even less-black blacks... not that I need a new phone yet.
 
7:04 PM
Consider El Camino Real.
 
@Cerberus Haha.
 
That is not just a real street, you know. :)
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know...to be honest I barely noticed any difference between the Acer's 4.0 and my 4.1.2. Do I really need updates?
 
El Santiago Real would be the royal Saint James, of course. :)
 
@Cerberus Between earbuds and the charger it will almost be $100 in accessories. So the $300 phone (actually $359 in Canada for 16gb, plus tax and shipping) + accessories starts edging up there in cost.
 
7:05 PM
And Real Madrid is not really the Madrid team, but royally so.
Or so they would have you believe.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Uhh why not buy cheap earbuds?
 
@Cerberus I noticed several differences. I even updated my tablet to 4.1 to try to get some of the new features (but had to downgrade because the CM was too unstable).
 
€ 40 for earbuds is outrageous.
 
Tiago is not a very common name, much less so than Diego.
 
@Cerberus The charger is $60 + tax + shipping.
 
7:06 PM
But it is not all that rare either.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I noticed one or two things, but barely. I am thinking it isn't worth much when it comes to day-to-day experience.
 
What kind of nerd are you that you don't have chargers breeding all over your house?
 
@aediaλ It's a wireless charging orb.
 
@tchrist Why are you calling it Real? Do people call it that?
 
You did. :)
 
7:07 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, the charger is expensive. But headphones are € 5.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ohhh. I suppose I could be persuaded to pay for a wireless charging orb, if it... made me coffee or something.
 
@Cerberus Not here.
No headphones worth buying would be less than $20
 
With your uncharacteristically anti-monarchist remark:
7 mins ago, by Cerberus
@tchrist Umm this is the real Santiago.
 
@aediaλ It will make you not-insert the micro-USB cable every single day! And not pull it out as well!
 
Congratulations: your frog is now dead.
 
7:08 PM
@tchrist It's too late. He missed the joke half an hour ago. Just whoosh him and move on :)
 
Oh and a stand at the same time. That is kinda cool.
 
@aediaλ and the phone knows when it's on that thing, so it can automatically turn into a clock or photo frame.
 
And Jasper shall be with us always.
 
@tchrist Oh, is that what you meant. In any case, we were talking about Chile!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought that didn't work??
I have just read a review of the Orb.
 
@Cerberus If you wanted it concarne, you shoulda just asked.
 
7:10 PM
Said it wasn't recognised as a dock.
 
@Cerberus It's supposed to work. Admittedly I cannot get the daydreams to work but I do not have an orb.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If it would know when it was on there and know not to blink the stupid notification light at night, I would be all over it.
 
Not that it matters anyway, what with Tasker.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Android Police says no.
 
@Cerberus odd. WTF would be the point of all that then.
Anyway the Orb isn't avail in Canada yet.
 
@aediaλ You can already do that with Tasker, I should think. Tasker can do anything.
 
7:11 PM
And I may wait to see if future devices support it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, to charge it without having to plug it in and out!
 
Because I don't want to pay $60 for a dock that only works on a phone I'll have for a short time.
 
I think they will.
 
@Cerberus yeah but who effing cares
 
Because the N4 also supports other wireless chargers.
 
7:11 PM
Like aedia said. I have chargers EVERYWHERE.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That would be the only reason for me to buy it.
I hate plugging.
Why else would you buy the Orb over a regular dock??
 
I have wanted my phone to do things like "daydreams" since I first got it. It seems like an obvious feature.
 
Isn't that just a useless screensaver?
 
@Cerberus I never bought a dock. What good is a dock? Just stand it up on something. 20 pieces of lego, boom, done.
 
It's pretty good on the tablet, where it shows news.
 
7:13 PM
In any case, use Tasker if you want that, problem solved. And again, doesn't that work with any dock?
 
@Cerberus No, it's like an interactive screensaver
 
The daydreams.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, it is much easier to plug the phone into a dock than into a lego-construction-with-plug.
 
@Cerberus Well, I didn't know about Tasker. the "daydreams" should be a built-in feature. Well, I mean, they are now, but should have been forever.
 
Because the dock will be bespoke.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why are they useful?
 
7:14 PM
@Cerberus Yeah but most docs are outrageously expensive.
 
i thought they were useless?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think so. I have seen extremely cheap ones on Ebay.
 
Well, they can show you information, like the time. So your phone can be an alarm clock. Or your phone can be a photo frame. Basically it can do useful things while you're not otherwise using the phone.
 
I had a cheap one for my HTC Kaiser, it worked fine.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And why can't you just activate the clock, or the lock screen, then?
 
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 6 hours 8 minutes 32 seconds.
 
Hiyo!
 
7:17 PM
Chicken on a raft.
 
@Cerberus in theory it would be automatic.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then use Tasker.
Sure, many things that Tasker does should be part of the OS by default.
 
@Cerberus Is the notification bar on your phone just full of programs that are running constantly, like your bloated - ahem, I mean elaborately decorated - computer systray?
 
Argh! What do my users have to be so compliant?
 
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A: What is our sockpuppet policy?

MετάEdAs for what we should do with questions coming from our "resident troll" on their own merits, all questions I’ve seen should be closed Off Topic (out of scope). They consist of a link to a page published on the Internet, an excerpt, and a proposed correction, and the question is whether the excer...

 
7:24 PM
@aediaλ Haha, I wish! But, no: I actually have zero icons it. I don't want my notification bar polluted, because I rely on it for new thingies that I need to act on, as opposed to on my PC, where nothing urgent happens.
 
@KitFox You are a great general. Your users are afraid of you.
(+1 to anybody getting the reference.)
 
Doesn't that refer to many leaders and many sources?
 
@MετάEd Thank you. I got annoyed by the back and forth with Andrew.
 
Look how uncluttered my phone is!
 
snerkle
 
7:27 PM
Scuse me?
 
My phone has a contacts button in the corner and an otherwise blank background.
That looks cluttered to me.
 
Why?
 
What else do I need?
 
Don't you use your home screen for looking up information at a glance?
And starting applications?
What else is a home screen for?
 
What information do I need to look up?
What applications do I need to start?
 
7:28 PM
The news, rain, whether or not Wifi/3G are on, toggling them...
 
@MετάEd Sorry, I whooshed.
 
@KitFox I don't know, tons!
 
@Cerberus I don't listen to news, I can look out the window if I need to know the weather. I don't care about Wifi.
 
Battery %? Number of new messages? Missed calls?
I see a graph of rain for the next two hours.
 
Those things are in the tiny bar at the top.
 
7:30 PM
Not really, no numbers.
Well, never mind.
 
You just use your phone for stuff. I don't.
 
I see you use your phone in an entirely different way, hehe.
Jinx.
 
So I figured out how to get the Daydreams to work
you have to plug the phone into the charger while the screen is on
if the screen is off already, it doesn't daydream
 
At last, a non-compliant user!
 
the Orb is just a charger, but you can set it to daydream when "Docked", "charging", or "either".
I don't know how the phone knows when it's "docked" since it only has a usb port, no docking port or anything.
 
7:33 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm odd.
 
Also it's disappointing that the Orb doesn't have, eg, audio out or video out or anything like that.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It probably reacts when you plug it into USB from your PC too.
 
@Cerberus well, yes. It can detect power, and a USB connection, but "plugged into a PC" is not "plugged into a dock"
The GN had docking pins on the side
 
It knows the difference between wall charger and USB charging, I think, even when the USB connection does nothing but charge (i.e. when you have an extension cord or the PC is turned off).
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It is not the same, but I think it doesn't know/care about the difference.
 
@KitFox I am sort of remembering a Happy Days episode.
 
7:35 PM
@Cerberus No, my point is that it does care. In the Daydream config you can say "daydream when docked (default), when charging, or either"
So, supposedly there is a difference and it knows it.
 
Those are not mutually exclusive.
 
@MετάEd Huh. I would have guessed it was something to do with the Art of War.
Kinda the same thing though.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think what it really means is "wall charger" v. any other kind of charging. Not dock specifically. Test it.
 
@Cerberus It knows the wall charger vs the normal USB charger because the current is higher on the wall charger.
 
It also charges the phone much quicker from a wall charger I think.
Jinx!
Yes.
So I think that is all it can see.
 
7:37 PM
so you're saying that it would call the wall charger a "dock"? or the PC is a "dock"?
 
I don't think it can tell the difference between any kind of connection-that-is-not-wall.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 PC is dock.
I think.
But you'd have to try it out.
 
I don't think so.
 
Perhaps it depend son the device.
 
@Oliver You look different.
Realer.
 
Or perhaps only official Google Docks are officially detected as docks?
It's so confusing!
 
7:39 PM
So it detects the PC as "charging"
 
Because many docks are just USB cords built into a piece of plastic.
 
And it does not recognize the PC as a dock
 
Hmm.
 
That is my point. The "dock" must be some kind of device that identifies itself to the unit.
I am guessing that not all devices will even have docks that they can identify.
 
Perhaps if you insert headphones and plug it into USB?
 
7:40 PM
@KitFox That's intentional
 
Many/some docks have speakers.
The official GN dock connects through NFC, not USB.
 
It also connects through pogo pins
Actually I forgot about NFC
that'd be a good way for the orb to work
 
Naaah.
Then it isn't an orb any more!
The pins aren't on the back.
And I believe they require tight alignment?
 
The pins are on the side
of the GN
 
I meant *aren't
So they can't touch the Orb, and, even if they could, how could they possibly be properly aligned every time you put it onto the Orb?
 
7:44 PM
what I want is to put my phone on a dock, and then the audio, and video are exported to some device, and a daydream starts, and it charges, and it links to the computer.
Yeah, the pogo pins wouldn't work for the orb. but NFC would.
The NFC could initiate all the other wireless protocols
 
I think the Orb can do all that except for the audio and the PC link. Other docks can do audio, but they are NFC or USB, not wireless.
 
what I want is for my phone to be a lightsaber
 
Huh, wait.
 
isn't there a lightsaber app?
 
NFC doesn't work through the pogo pins?
confused
 
7:46 PM
@KitFox yw.
How did you fare with the chicken?
 
@KitFox You use your phone for outgoing and perhaps incoming phone calls; it is what phones do. @Cerb doesn’t have a phone; he has a handheld computer and always-in-touch-with-everything social-extension. Completely different thing. Should not call his a phone.
 
@tchrist Then why does she even have a home screen?
 
@Cerberus NFC is short-range RFID
 
yeah but that's not the same... okay that's adorable though
 
7:49 PM
@tchrist As you may have noticed, the only notifications I mentioned are missed calls and text messages. I am no more socially connected on my phone than any old black-and-white-phone user.
 
@Cerberus Why do I have a monitor if I refuse to clutter it up with icons? Which I do.
 
You tell me. Why have the space if you don't use it?
I would buy a small phone if I didn't use the space. I prefer small ceteris paribus.
 
@Cerberus Both black and white? Aren’t they just in one color or the other?
 
clearly not
 
@Cerberus Huh? I use my monitor for dozens of Terminal windows, and the occasional web client.
 
7:52 PM
If it was black-on-black it would be Darth Vader or a VCR
 
In Korea or Taiwan, they have started selling small phone "mates", which are really small phones connected wirelessly to large smartphones, used to make calls and such easily with one hand and keep in your pocket. Asians and women often have smaller hands. And women wear tighter pants: large phones won't fit into their pockets.
@tchrist How could you read the numbers if they were black on black?
@tchrist That's cluttered. Remove the terminals.
 
@Cerberus Then life would have no meaning, and I would surely die.
 
@MετάEd "You have been on a raft with a chicken for 6 hours 45 minutes 28 seconds."
 
@tchrist Same here!
I need my rain predictor. You have no idea how much rain we get here.
 
@KitFox You are in a twisty little maze of passages, all different.
 
7:54 PM
Go left.
Load shotgun
Shoot wolverine.
 
This cell phone doesn’t have a cluttered screen, and works internationally, too.
I highly recommend it.
 
Looks handy.
 
Punny today, I see.
Or German.
 
I like it. I wants.
 
I knew it would please you. :)
The red version is more expensive though.
The black one is $100 cheaper.
It does not come in white.
 
7:58 PM
Hot pink?
 
That would be the red version; it is just really hot.
 
What about avocado green?
 
The bluetooth versions are more; curious.
What would you do with a bluetooth version, I wonder?
@aediaλ That rings a bell, actually.
 
I would like it with cloaking paint.
How much is that version?
The kind that makes it transparent.
 
> The original "click and drag," operating a rotary phone requires that you press the number you intend to dial and pull the dial back from there (Ask someone older than you).
 
8:00 PM
@tchrist giggles
 
@tchrist The bluetooth version would mean that you could have the rotary phone when it's near your real cell phone, but you could leave that at home when you need to go out and take your mobile with you.
 
And you will just love its ring-tone!
 
This is my phone.
The screen is on the back.
 
@Cerberus That is like asking for the latest and most glamorous wedding gown to come in a transparent option: you ruin the entire fashion connection if you parade around nekkid like that.
 
It's the thought that counts.
 
8:05 PM
@tchrist Maybe he would, but I assure you that my nekkid form is itself a fashion statement.
 
I am sure.
 
@tchrist That's not naked. You're still covered from the wind. Also, 'nice lines'.
 
Yeah!
 
OK while we're trying to imagine that 'look', really, what's the problem with 'non habemus papam'?
(the Economist cover title)
 
Is there a problem?
I don't need to habe a Papam personally.
 
8:15 PM
Mwaha! It works!
> This shop is in test mode, and is logging all data. Please do not enter real credit card data. Use test cards only.
 
applauds
 
@KitFox Debugging 3D Secure is a pain.
 
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 7 hours 12 minutes 48 seconds.
 
@KitFox Is it a rubber chicken?
 
I...I...I don't know. I've never been asked that before.
 
8:24 PM
Hi, is there a way to represent "category or categories" in short, like we do "Topic(s)" for "topic or topics"?
 
Yes. We have some questions on that very thing.
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Q: Parenthetical pluralization of words ending in "-y"

fordarehSentences constructed with a word written in the singular and parenthetically in the plural are straightforward when that word does not end in -y, e.g.: List all applicable employee(s). How does one handle words ending in -y? Is this correct: I will attend the party(ies).

 
@KitFox I have no idea what term to use for the search
Ah, ok, thanks!
 
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Q: What is the optional plural form of a word that ends in “‑y”?

Jeremy WigginsI guess “optional plural” is the correct term. I’m referring to things like It can be found at the following location(s). Please pick up your ticket(s). But how do I do that to a word that ends in ‑y? Take category for example: “category(s)” doesn’t seem correct, because categorys is a...

Here's one with your very example.
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Q: How to deal with irregular plural(s)?

suszterpattWhat happens if you have a written phrase like We were looking at the same poster(s). but with a noun that has an irregular plural? E.g. with baby/babies, would this be the correct form? We were looking at the same baby(ies). Or, as a more exotic case: We were looking at the same ...

You should be able to find something useful there, I think.
If not, try looking for "parenthetical plural."
Dubtoes fore and the dustman aft...I'm off. Later!
 
@KitFox This comment actually makes sense, going with it!
Later! :)
 
Harrumph, I lost web connectivity for a time. I hate when that happens.
 
8:39 PM
I lost coffee connectivity for a time. I hate that too.
 
8:51 PM
shakes mug Is this thing on? Hello?
 
9:02 PM
fills mug
 
I will not use of your chat room except you apologize me because of your ugly behaviors and finish my suspension and show your disagreement to my question by respectful manners not by censorship and lie and hate! you do not respect to democratic rules of a modern world. — user37324 24 mins ago
The Flakey One is trying to have a comment war with Robert Cartaino. So funny.
 
feel smug
 
@tchrist Yikes. I imagine that's even funnier with context.
 
You should see all the things he keeps deleting.
I can’t believe she hasn’t gotten boxed yet.
Plus there is an edit war on the posting.
If anybody with 20k has a delete vote to spare, I have a nomination. :)
Robert, and the employees in general, are a lot more patient than our elected moderators, but everybody has a tipping point. We’ll see. This cannot end well.
This is the one that could use one more delete vote:
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Q: What is an “Ovular”?

user37324What does the statement "I once went to an Ovular on this topic" mean? It is used in a comment by one of users in this site. There are no other sentences or context for me to find out what it means. Does it express her hate, sadness, or suffering toward that topic? Why did she capitalize the l...

 
9:17 PM
@tchrist So who else is user37324?
 
Our various snowflakes.
 
When I gave a negative reputation to this answer I saw a box which asked me to leave a comment and write about the reason! — user37324 8 hours ago
He he,
@tchrist Pity. The question has a good answer.
 
I know.
 
9:38 PM
I guess his tardis is broken
 
Jez
9:56 PM
bonsoir
 
Look, no user name.
 
@tchrist I'd rather not lose the answer, or indeed the question. Ovular for seminar is rather good.
 
Well, ok.
At least the user is on a timeout on our site, so you don’t have the nuttiness of ELL.
 
I call in on ELL every so often, but I find answering at the right level taxing.
 
I don’t know that it will thrive. The askers need so very much help.
 
10:06 PM
@tchrist The Russian question has three different usernames: none, Daria and Peppermoon, depending on where you look.
Something's gone wrong with migration, I think.
 
@AndrewLeach The sense used is rare, but it's a perfectly good word.
 
I only don't spend more time in ELL because I am busy tearing my hair out answering people in the Real World. I am impressed by the patience, overall, of everyone trying to communicate in ELL.
Meanwhile I'm stuck out here with "I can't understand your brief description. Can't you do the work and show it to me, so I can decide whether I wanted to approve your spending all that time on the work? But do it now! What's taking so long?"
 
Haha.
 
I suppose that's always what prototyping is for, but it infuriates me that seemingly otherwise intelligent people can't seem to imagine a small change in the thing they just saw.
 
Poor unicorn.
Create a mock-up?
 
10:14 PM
Yep.
 
but can you change the font two millimetres to the left and 10% pinker?
 
Working on it. And then they're going to ask what happens when they click on it and we have to explain again that you can't click on paper
 
@tchrist I need to learn to remember automatic gravatars and names of the user12345 form, so I can just think "ah, the anti-Feminist troll" and not bother answering.
 
@JonHanna Automatic gravatars and "could this be wrong" are useful for NS spam.
 
There are lots of other traits for NS.
Bold italic.
 
10:19 PM
@MattЭллен And more awesome. But not too much more. We're not going to pay for that. Maybe 12% more awesome.
 
Answered by Barrie.
 
NS?
 
@tchrist You only say that because you are half troll (automatic gravatar).
 
Yes, yes it could. We could all be wrong. But do I want to be write?
 
@JonHanna Norty.
 
10:20 PM
Asking things that are design to just get people to argue.
 
@aediaλ U wnat ot be wrong.
 
Oh yeah. I've heard of him before, but it's before my time.
 
@JonHanna On the contrary. He's here every week.
 
clicks on paper
clicks again
 
We just manage him the best we can.
@Cerberus lights paper
 
10:21 PM
byee!
 
What you need, man, is a Bic.
 
Yeah, but well enough that I haven't filled in the blanks on it.
 
@MετάEd Light on paper.
 
No don't burn @Matt! He - he was in the prototype!
 
That hurts!
@JonHanna Like the Titan Cronus?
 
10:23 PM
He's a tad before my time too.
 
@Cerberus Cronus? Cronus?
 
Aka chronos.
@JonHanna And equally formidable!
 
Chronus isn't before anyone's time, by definition.
 
It's puntastic.
 
But Chronus != Cronus
 
10:27 PM
@AndrewLeach I'm wingless.
 
That HØRTS me.
 
Come on ye confused by English. Ask some more questions.
 
I'm confused by English language learners. Does that count?
 
You don't put your lips to a firehose when you want a drink
 
10:43 PM
You are enjoying of yourself like masturbation! Funny! As long as you are continuing it you cannot understand the advantages of a real and democratic space. It is not real life. It is your ugly imaginary world which you desire it! But I am sorry real world is not such a thing. — user37324 23 mins ago
Oh Robert, please please siteban that user!
No parents in the room. Drat. Nor even babysitters.
 
"What have you got against masturbation? It's sex with someone I love." — Woody Allen — Robusto 7 secs ago
@JonHanna How would you know? Perhaps I have no use for a drink that won't blow my hair back.
Show us your references. — Robusto 9 secs ago
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Q: What is the correct pronunciation for the word "Beheading"?

Gabriel MeonoI can assume the pronounciation for the word is "be-head-ing" like a verb. But I've found references with a "be-hiding" pronounciation. Please enlight me.

Kee-rist.
I be heading out now. Laters.
 
11:08 PM
crumples paper prototype into a ball, continues being hiding
 

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