English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

15:00

@Ste You really make people work for it.

You are lucky I am flush with votes today.

Ste

@Robusto - I know but it is my only chance of gold!

Folk are welcome to retract votes once I have the hat.

RegDwigнt

Teehee, I wonder how many ninja edits we'll get for that after this whole mess is over.

tchrist

I just popped my quim, as after 21 minutes, nothing hatly had occurred at votes=+3.

RegDwigнt

21 minutes? Are you jesting? You should be happy if anything happens in 21 hours. Sad but true.

You think those OVER 9000 visitors know how to register and gain the right to vote?

You'd need, like, English for that, dude.

Cerberus

Eng-what?

Does German have the word Engerling?

RegDwigнt

15:04

Perhaps.

What do I know.

Cerberus

Engerling

Een engerling is de larve van een kever die tot de familie bladsprietkevers behoort. De meest bekende is de larve van de meikever, maar ook larven van de junikever en de Johanneskever worden engerling genoemd, naast veel andere soorten. Er zijn wel meer insecten die een larve hebben die een andere naam heeft dan het volwassen insect, zoals de emelt, de larve van langpootmug, en de ritnaald of koperworm voor de schadelijke larven van kniptorren. Levenswijze Een engerling heeft een karakteristiek uiterlijk; een duidelijk 'C'- vormig gekromd rups-achtig lichaam met een zakvormig verdikt ac...

Ah, it does!

RegDwigнt

Eww.

That's right up Vitaly's alley.

Cerberus

And for once the picture is correct.

It is eng, isn't it?

Does eng mean both narrow and scary in German (as in Dutch)?

RegDwigнt

Scary?

Cerberus

Yes.

Een enge man.

RegDwigнt

15:06

That would have to be something with angst or ängst.

Cerberus

OK.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus furchteinflößend.

KitFox

What is a Perl file exension?

RegDwigнt

@tchrist

KitFox

.pl?

Cerberus

15:06

Then I wonder why German also has Engerling, because that is a very eng creature in Dutch, but not in German?

@RegDwigнt That's long, yay!

RegDwigнt

@KitFox that's what I used, but I am sure you'll be told you can use anything.

KitFox

kthx

Cerberus

That's Polish.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus ängstlich would be not scary but anxious.

Cerberus

Right, angstig.

rumtscho

15:07

@Cerberus if you think an Engerling is scary, you haven't met my Ph.D. supervisor :)

Cerberus

We also have bang.

RegDwigнt

@rumtscho he wouldn't remember if he did.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Hello! Indeed, I have not. Is he very furchteinflößend?

RegDwigнt

See. He does not remember.

Cerberus

Do you have bang?

RegDwigнt

15:08

I have some interro.

rumtscho

@Cerberus we have "bange" too, but it is an adverb.

Cerberus

Ahh.

RegDwigнt

Angst und bange.

Cerberus

And it means "scared"?

RegDwigнt

It means nothing except outside of a bunch of fixed expressions.

Cerberus

15:09

Oh.

RegDwigнt

I guess you can say "mir ist bange", but who does that.

"Mir wurde bange" -- "joh Alter, yolo".

Cerberus

It is the normal word for "scared" in Dutch, even "ik ben bang dat ik je niet verder kan helpen" = I'm afraid I can't help you any further.

Marthaª

I'm upset. I have 20 hats. It should be impossible to have 20 hats, shouldn't it? I mean, 20 hats = get the Milliner = 21 hats, right? Right? ... Turns out, you need 20 hats on one site. I don't have Old Hat on ELU. Harumph.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Hah, I didn't know German used joh.

rumtscho

@Cerberus I met the other Ph.D. students from our department the last two days. One of them mentioned, "back when I started, after the first three mails I got from our boss, I was sure I will get fired". She has a very aggressive writing style. Not really a bad person, but you wouldn't know it when she writes something to you. So, yes, she is scary.

Cerberus

15:10

Oh, dear. Die Frau Führerin?

RegDwigнt

@Marthaª you do not have the Old Hat on ELU.

They have to be all on one site.

Also, it turns out the three-hat hat has to be on one site and the same day.

Marthaª

I believe that's what I just said?

RegDwigнt

@Marthaª I didn't read past "I'm upset I have 20". I went looking right away.

I am fast. I never said I'm also thorough.

Well. I guess I owe you some form of coke now.

Google Image Search for "some form of coke".

Marthaª

OK, so I'm back to obsessively checking the review queue for 2 more late answers (or 3 more reopens). Either that, or semantically satiate two more people. (Two, folks. Two.)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Marthaª I'm obsessively checking that queue too. race ya.

KitFox

15:15

@Marthaª I had the same issue. I was so cranky. I got 21 hats, so then I was like, OK where's my Milliner? and then turns out, I had a different hat on another site, so I had to have 22 before I got the 20-hat. Argh!

MrHen

Also note:

12

Q: How do I have exactly 20 hats?

I have exactly 20 hats on Stack Overflow: How does that work? I thought that once you get to 20 The Milliner immediately bumped you up to 21. I seem to have it though, which is weird.... Also, I recall having 19 hats before getting those headphones (yay sekrits, it must have something to do w...

Robusto

I had a dream last night that I was going bald, and when I woke up the cat was licking my hair.

Marthaª

@Robusto Aw. (Also, envious.)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Marthaª me too. I wish I had hair.

Robusto

Ghost of Winterbash Past coming soon.

Ste

15:16

@Marthaª -Could you please vote on this and this? I'm 99% of the way to the gold hat!

Marthaª

@MrHen Yeah, that's where I checked before coming here, which is why I already knew what RegDwight told me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Ste what badge is that? populist?

rumtscho

Anybody needs more votes? Because I haven't visited the site in a while, so probably haven't voted for any of you. Please put in requests quickly, I want to turn this computer off in 5 minutes and go home

Ste

It will get populist and trigger the gold hat

@rumtscho - Can you vote this up please: english.stackexchange.com/a/130385/20739

rumtscho

@Ste I did the two of your last message, it reminded me to write my offer :)

Ste

15:18

@rumtscho - thanks! :)

@rumtscho: english.stackexchange.com/a/142324/20739 please!

RegDwigнt

@rumtscho meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/2694/… and meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/913/… please. Not mine.

Ste

@rumtscho and english.stackexchange.com/a/142144/20739 if you will!

Marthaª

@Ste Both of those already have my upvotes.

Ste

And for people other than me to get the site count up:

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/153990/…

RegDwigнt

@rumtscho and do drop by later for the secret Unicorn hat.

Ste

15:22

@Marthaª - no worries. I just need one vote on the accepted for gold hat. I am giddy at the thought!

rumtscho

@RegDwigнt what do I have to do for it? Just visit the chat twice on a day?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's a long shot but this is my closest candidate for populist

Ste

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 - well now you're one closer! :)

RegDwigнt

@rumtscho no, you have to post five comments on our meta. We have a dedicated place for that, so it only takes two minutes, but it does take the two minutes.

rumtscho

@RegDwigнt ok, thanks for telling me. I will be online again today, I just don't want to sit at work anymore. Almost everybody has left for Christmas anyway.

RegDwigнt

15:26

@rumtscho see this meta thread. It's quite strange, isn't it? All these comments about points... Just post a couple comments of yours. You don't even have to be witty. But make sure there are five comments of yours in total. That is all.

Ste

Yay, I now have Upboated and a total of 33 hats!

RegDwigнt

You can do that any time at your own leisure.

We'll keep an eye on it.

And yeah, I myself am only still at work because there'll be free pizza for everyone in an hour.

I'm also drinking beer right now.

And typing here, of course.

Nice job.

Matt Эллен

:D

MrHen

winterbash2013.stackexchange.com/full-house

RegDwigнt

On a second thought, I did write invoices for half a million Euro today.

So. Prost!

MrHen

15:28

That's going to be a tad annoying to get

Ste

@RegDwigнt Web Applications have stolen a 300 hat lead on us!

RegDwigнt

Ugh.

Wasn't it 290?

I hate Web applications.

I say that in my capacity as the Web guy.

Ste

Possible, I just looked at the summary totals...

RegDwigнt

It's like 394 actually.

Ste

Grrrr.

Can you find out how Kalina got the Eureka on Meta SO?

RegDwigнt

15:31

Did they put on a hundred hats or did I just count wrong the last time around?

We will never know.

@Ste you can ask @KitFox to ask her.

MrHen

@Ste We had a big discussion about Eureka yesterday but none of us figured it out.

RegDwigнt

I think they are like so.

The real problem is that the people with Eureka don't know what they got it for, and I have grounds to believe them.

Ste

1 vote needed on this for gold hat please: english.stackexchange.com/a/130385/20739

Marthaª

@Ste The problem with this query is that 99% of those people already have the Hi-Ho Silver hat, and the other 1% aren't participating in the hat thing.

RegDwigнt

@Ste bump the question. A stray vote will come your way eventually.

Ste

15:33

Bump with an edit?

Matt Эллен

it's cool, I voted

RegDwigнt

@Marthaª then again, it might get some people their UpDos.

Ice Girl

can you make simple sentence for inundate(v) and municipal(adj)?

RegDwigнt

One upvote is not enough for that, but if many people are looking at the same list, chances are someone will get more than one.

tylerharms

I just got wind of the unicorn hat in meta. It's five upvotes on a comment, no?

Marthaª

15:34

@IceGirl The municipal authorities were inundated with phone calls after the press conference.

RegDwigнt

8 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

@rumtscho see this meta thread. It's quite strange, isn't it? All these comments about points... Just post a couple comments of yours. You don't even have to be witty. But make sure there are five comments of yours in total. That is all.

Ste

@Marthaª Can we edit the query so that it shows scores of 24 and the user doesn't have hi-ho silver?

Robusto

How ya like me now?

Marthaª

@Ste Unlikely: the hat data isn't part of data explorer.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto that's one bushiddy hat.

Robusto

15:35

Why is Ghost of Winterbash Past a samurai helmet? Is that what Marley wore?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto no, because the last year that's the hat you got for Necromancer, too.

Ice Girl

@Marthaª I need one sentence for each one

RegDwigнt

Some of those words weren't in the right order, but you get the gist.

Robusto

Ah. Tradition. Then it shoulda been a yarmulke.

MrHen

how do you get the samurai?

RegDwigнt

15:36

@MrHen necro.

You should be there soon.

Ste

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/56730/…

MrHen

@RegDwigнt Sheesh, I do that all the time. Apparently none of my answers have 5 yet?

Robusto

Kabuto.

RegDwigнt

Everyone just remember not to upvote more than a couple posts of the same user per day. Otherwise they'll get regarded as cheating by the script and retracted.

Ste

Oooh - I am standing by for gold! dances

Robusto

15:37

If you had patience you would get a Yearling gold.

RegDwigнt

KitFox

@Matt!

Marthaª

@IceGirl The municipal building is in need of repair. During last week's flood, it was inundated with sludge from the factory next door.

MrHen

@RegDwigнt Amusingly, this whole event would be fantastic data for tuning their cheat detection. :P

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Get him to fight Gamera.

RegDwigнt

15:38

@MrHen I dunno about them but I am plenty sure the NSA are keeping a close eye on this.

Ice Girl

@Marthaª Thank you

KitFox

My son is getting the one with Garmatron this year. From Santa.

Robusto

Hah, we left those Unix & Lunix pikers in the dust!

RegDwigнt

@KitFox I got that one just for that stupid two-storey figure. Wasn't too disappointed, actually.

Robusto

Now Web Apps. That will be an uphill battle.

KitFox

15:39

Good to know. The youngest is getting Malibu Mansion Attack.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto worse.

8 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

Did they put on a hundred hats or did I just count wrong the last time around?

MrHen

0

A: Prodigal vs. Spendthrift

Dictionary definitions show that the words are very similar. Especially in the sense that they are using each other to define themselves: prodigal — adjective wastefully or recklessly extravagant: prodigal expenditure. giving or yielding profusely; lavish (usually followed by of or...

Robusto

It's doable, though. I think Arqade is a stretch.

MrHen

Here we go, that's a good candidate for necro.

RegDwigнt

Crap I can't upvote you today. Too risky.

Will check back.

I'm keeping tabs. All 15124985 of them.

Robusto

15:40

@RegDwigнt 2,266 vs 2,643. We need to find at least 400 hats somewhere.

Ste

@MrHen - you got mine.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I am somewhat sure it was but 290 this morning.

Though some 600 yesterday morning.

Robusto

Might have been a caching issue.

RegDwigнt

Fluctuations gonna fluctuate.

Robusto

I answered my own question about ten minutes ago, but so far no hat.

Also, no revival hat. WTF?

RegDwigнt

15:43

@MrHen oh and yeah. They'd only block out their most active contributors.

Who cheaters the cheaters?

@Robusto is the answer upvoted yet?

... and it is not.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Uh, no.

RegDwigнt

... and now it is.

Robusto

Forgot that part.

Rules are hard.

RegDwigнt

But you could might need two.

@Robusto how about shopping?

Robusto

1

A: Is English particularly well suited for so-called "natural language programming"?

There are too many ambiguities in English as a whole to make it useful as an NPL. Even in languages that use pieces of English, prepositions like in and from can point to the same idea but yield drastically different results when the implied meaning "looks right" to the human eye but causes the i...

@RegDwigнt Even if I Photoshop the rules, they'll still be the rules.

RegDwigнt

15:46

@Robusto not if you subsequently nuke them.

I have a hand to lend in that.

And a nuke.

Marthaª

There's a low quality post in the review queue. I already have enough of those. Anybody else want to pounce?

RegDwigнt

I now only need Reopen Votes. 549 of them.

Robusto

What's the link for individual leaderboard? Oh, never mind.

RegDwigнt

Might as well save them up for the next Winter Bash.

I bet they'll ask for another gold badge then.

tylerharms

@Robusto it's on the winterbash page.

top left. winterbash2013.stackexchange.com/leaderboard

Matt Эллен

15:48

@KitFox hai!

RegDwigнt

@tylerharms it's the third time he asks that question. It's okay.

Robusto

Did we figure out Eureka! yet?

KitFox

@MattЭллен I never see you anymore. Happy Christmas!

RegDwigнt

@Robusto Nope.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I know :( Merry chirstmas to you too :)

tylerharms

15:48

that hat's got to restrict brain power.

RegDwigнt

That is hard for many SE users.

So @Marthaª will be getting the Bounty Hunter from me.

Who will I be having the Bounty Hunter from?

As far as Kit's question is concerned, I'd rather take the IG88, thanks.

Cerberus

There is no evidence that any natural language would be better suited than another, and I am strongly inclined to believe that there is little difference. Apparent ambiguity is a feature, not a bug, of natural languages, because it is extremely efficient for humans. — Cerberus 16 secs ago

RegDwigнt

I tried to make my answer crappy enough, too.

Robusto

I would like to see an unlit bulb that could be awarded to questions and answers that make no sense at all.

MrHen

@Robusto A dimlit hat?

RegDwigнt

15:51

@Robusto I think you get a waffle toaster.

Cerberus

English is no different, all natural languages have this problem.

RegDwigнt

This waffle toaster.

MrHen

@Cerberus You are focusing too much on the language part; not enough on the programming part

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus excepts that English is the best language

Cerberus

@MrHen I don't think so.

@MattЭллен I think that's Latin.

Matt Эллен

15:52

@Cerberus no, see, Latin died, so it's clearly not very good.

Robusto

@MattЭллен Ssshhh! We're trying not to tell @Cerberus about that. He still believes in Zwart Piet too.

Marthaª

@MattЭллен Latin didn't die, it just changed its name and multiplied.

Matt Эллен

:D

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Blasphemy!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My Necromancer candidate

Cerberus

15:54

@Robusto What do you mean "believe"? They exist! They flock the streets!

Robusto

@Marthaª That happens to women, too. They change their name and multiply.

Cerberus

By the way, your icons are all totally unrecognisable.

Except Matt's.

RegDwigнt

@Hugo has the bunny ears. Gah.

Robusto

@Cerberus My icon seeks neither your recognition nor your approval. It is kabuto!

Cerberus

Kaputt, yes.

Ste

15:56

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You just need the one vote now

Cerberus

Robusto + kaputt = kabuto? Sounds like a pleonasm...

Robusto

@Cerberus Buchstabierst du noch einmal, bitte.

Cerberus

Habe ich doch schon getan.

Robusto

Kaput, nicht kaputt.

Cerberus

Dat sollte ausreichen.

Robusto

15:57

Unless you're talking about German golf.

When Bernhard Langer goes over par he is kaputt.

Marthaª

@Robusto THWACK!

Robusto

Eu!

Marthaª

(That felt good.)

Cerberus

@Robusto dict.tu-chemnitz.de/…

Both languages have kaputt.

And, yes, I'm using a dictionary as proof, shoot me!

Robusto

@Cerberus Bang!

Hmm, kaput obtains as well.

I dunno. Sorry for getting all up in your grill.

Cerberus

15:59

@Robusto I think the golf term is pronounced poot? Or am I mistaken? I don't play golf.

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