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Robusto

00:52

@MattЭллен "From the outset, the half-German side of him was at war with the half-English side. He was wildly jealous of the British, wanting to be British, wanting to be better at being British than the British were, while at the same time hating them and resenting them because he never could be fully accepted by them."

KitFox

Many people have that reaction to the British.

!!refresh

KitSox

@KitFox yawns

KitFox

01:17

I keep writing this stuff, I'm going to get a reputation.

Mahnax

@Gigili Oh my gosh hi! It's been awhile! Thanks!

JSBձոգչ

01:57

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Q: English questions

The mother advises her son, Edward, to murder his father and refuses to take any responsibility for the crime; this makes her equally guilty of the murder. Ballads are anonymously written, they are oral poems. Macbeth is ruthless, such as putting spies in his thanes’ households. When only a chil...

grammar

this is hideous

@KitFox salva nos !

KitFox

I did it already.

I'm almost at my quota for the day, then I can start catching up.

But I'm debating whether I should include a rape scene, or skip that part.

So I'm kind of stuck right now.

What do you think?

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox i always vote against rape scenes, because ew

KitFox

I thought it would make the readership feel better about the murder part.

Because then he's really, really a bad guy and not just a stupid teenager.

JSBձոգչ

this actually makes me like the idea less

KitFox

You think the protag will be more interesting if she kills for no reason?

Hmm.

He did drug her.

But he was put up to it by someone else, although we don't know that yet.

OK, I'm sold.

But I have to finish putting the flannel sheets on before I can write it. How frustrating.

JSBձոգչ

02:08

well, being drugged isn't "no reason". she can be drugged. you also said she was kidnapped.

so those would provide enough motive that the reader isn't going to think she's a sociopath

KitFox

You'd kill someone for drugging you? makes note

JSBձոգչ

Old New Synagogue

The Old New Synagogue (; ) situated in Josefov, Prague, is Europe's oldest active synagogue. (The Scolanova Synagogue in Italy, also 13th century, was converted to a church by 1380 but was restored to synagogue use in 2006.) It is also the oldest surviving medieval synagogue of twin-nave design. Completed in 1270 in gothic style, it was one of Prague's first gothic buildings. A still older Prague synagogue, known as the Old Synagogue, was demolished in 1867 and replaced by the Spanish Synagogue. Etymology The synagogue was originally called the New or Great Synagogue and later, when new...

so how's that for a name for your synagogue?

KitFox

We had a bridge that was called the old new bridge.

The old new bridge and the new new bridge.

So after two and a half hours of trying to get the littlest to bed, culminating in him sobbing his eyes out because I made him sleep in the guest room because he wouldn't stop shouting, I texted my husband to say that the boy had finally gone to sleep.

Then I find out the boy had a 45 minute nap today.

Then I feel like strangling my husband and the woman who gave the boy a nap.

Because neither one of them helped with bedtime.

But I'm wasting word count on my irritation.

JSBձոգչ

i understand your irritation

KitFox

I just wish I had known sooner. I wouldn't have tried so hard.

JSBձոգչ

02:19

yeah, nuts

KitFox

How is your word count today?

Oh, you were keeping it secret, weren't you?

JSBձոգչ

meh, i'm at about 8K total

but i'm only shooting for 25K, since this is a novella contest

so i'm 1/3 of the way there!

ish

KitFox

Yay!

!!refresh

KitSox

@KitFox yawns

KitFox

!!nano kitfoxfire

KitSox

02:26

KitFox

There. Now I can keep tabs on everyone easy.

Except that it is a completely unsafe function. But what's the worst that could happen?

Now, back to work.

JSBձոգչ

oooh!

@KitFox did you add the !!nano command?

!!nano jaspax

KitSox

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Yes. I think there's probably other ways to interact with their stuff, but the widget looked like an easy way.

JSBձոգչ

yeah, looks pretty good to me

though of course my wordcount is off

b/c i'm not updating it

KitFox

02:30

Oh, there's an actual API.

JSBձոգչ

pffff who needs an API

KitFox

Really don't. There are some cool widgets.

I might replace that one.

And add the one for the month, and the option to word war.

But now I need to jump out of this rabbit hole.

You can adjust the meter to override the 50K goal.

JSBձոգչ

here's my actual progress for the moment:

!NANO

KitFox

It won't because you don't have an image ending.

like .jpg or .png

What's another way to say "rolled off"?

JSBձոգչ

!#$@#$^#

so markdown theoretically supports images

but evidently chat doesn't like it

KitFox

02:41

Oh. I don't understand.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox slipped aside. pushed away.

depends on what it is

KitFox

It's a body.

JSBձոգչ

so, yeah

KitFox

I can't believe the things I'm getting hung up on.

JSBձոգչ

just write "rolled off". do it ten times in one paragraph

fix it later

that's the nano way

KitFox

02:44

Yeah, true. I just need to write this effing scene.

JSBձոգչ

my protag is having a very awkward conversation with his ex-girlfriend

whose husband just died, and he's investigating the death

KitFox

That would be very awkward.

At least they can have sex.

My protag is definitely not having sex.

JSBձոգչ

they're not going to have sex

near the end, he's going to make a pass at her and get painfully shot down

he comes from a place with lots of hookers, though

KitFox

Nice.

> As he rolled over, his face was revealed, a frozen mask of horror. His tongue hung blackly from his mouth. His nose was crushed and bloody.

Oh, I missed a flag.

Did you see it?

JSBձոգչ

no

KitFox

02:49

Oh well.

Cerberus

Evening.

KitFox

Hi.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:06

!!nano MrShinyAndNew

KitSox

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm

KitFox

!!nano mr-shiny-and-new

KitSox

KitFox

You need to update that word count.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:07

heh

I need to write more words

KitFox

Go write!

I just got to part two. Mostly because I decided to skip over a bunch of stuff.

But it's late, so I guess I'll go to bed instead.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Soo about your telco...

KitFox

BTW, @metamaterialgirl is kicking our butts.

@Cerberus Hush. He needs to write!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I'm going to pop into their shops and see if they can cut me a better deal than the website offers

Cerberus

You think they might?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:11

maybe

I want them to at least waive the activation fees

Cerberus

Don't be afraid to go to a big monopolist if they have the best service: I use Windows, as you know.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I've been trying to help foster competition

but 3 years and the network speeds have been abysmal all this time.

Cerberus

How low?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

if it's working amazingly well, 2Mbps

That would astonish me

normally I get 300kpbs

Cerberus

Hmm.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:13

if it works at all

Cerberus

That's low.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's even worse.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

my friend just got an iphone 5s (upgrade from his 4 which didn't have LTE) and he's getting 25Mbps

Cerberus

Let me see what I get here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

faster than his cable internet, even

Cerberus

But 1 GB data cap...

Or paying € 40/m...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:15

see, I would be going from no data cap, unlimited everything for $38 to a 2GB data cap, unlimited everything else for $60/month. BUT the data would actually WORK and it would be FAST.

Cerberus

Okay, I'm getting 12 Mbps, which is more than my landline.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but: I don't know how fast it would be on my N4. it isn't LTE.

Cerberus

And 2.3 Mbps up, which is about 3.5 times my landline.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ugh, that is a lot of money.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the prices have gone down somewhat now that you can BYOD

Cerberus

I pay € 14 for about 1 GB and it works everywhere, and it's fast.

Why would you need unlimited data anyway? Aren't you always on Wifi at home and at work?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:18

oh, hang on. I've written the wrong prices. The monopolist's flagship brand is offering that package for $65/month including the BYOD discount (normally $85/month). Their cheaper brand has the same package for $56/month byod, normally $60

@Cerberus my work is at my home, so, yes, I am often on wi-fi. But it's hard to say how much I'd use the data if I actually had a good data connection away from home.

Cerberus

I don't pay attention to how many data I use, and I use about 200 MB/m.

Is there no cheap plan with a low data cap?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus There is, but the data cap size drops off precipitously

Cerberus

How much is 500 MB?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I've used 820.6 Mb in the "last 3 months", 261.1 Mb of which is in the last 4 weeks

Cerberus

So then 500 MB would seem to be enough for you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:21

so the flagship brand is $5 cheaper for 500MB and the cheap brand is $11 cheaper.

Cerberus

So how much?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

$60 or $45

Cerberus

Is there no cheaper plan?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

$50 for 250MB at the big brand, $36 for 200MB at the cheap brand

Cerberus

Have you researched all the possible virtual providers?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:24

most of the virtual providers don't offer LTE

Cerberus

Because those prices seem excessive.

Why do you need LTE?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The entire point of this exercise is to get faster speeds

Cerberus

I have 12 Mbps on 3G, as you saw. Not theoretical, but actual speed. 3G can be fast.

Can only LTE bring you faster speeds?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't know.

I'm going to do a speed test with my friend's N5 when it arrives, if he actually activates it on the network. (the same friend who just got an i5s - paid for by work)

if LTE is what solves my problems then I have a new problem: the N4 isn't LTE

Cerberus

Hmm.

Is there some website with speed comparisons for all the (virtual) providers?

@nohat: Woohoo! Most of our baby is yours, though, for the record. — Cerberus 1 min ago

Is this too drunk a comment?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

03:30

I'm not sure what it means

ah, okay. no it's fine

Cerberus

I edited his Answer.

OK, good.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

okay. time to write.

bye

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good luck!

Noah

Hi

on a daily basis vs. on daily basis

!!KitSox inform @Cerberus

KitSox

03:45

@Noah That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Cerberus

Yo.

On a daily basis.

EnglishMaster

haha

When Americans spell out a word with double letter they say "d i f f e r e n t" instead of "d i double f e r e n t"

which is kind of funny

isn't it?

JSBձոգչ

um, no

not funny at all

anyway, i finish up tonight's writing at 9193 words

woot!

Cerberus

Congrats?

JSBձոգչ

yeah, it's a good number

and tonight's writing lesson is: funerals are sad

but g'night everyone!

now i go to bed

Cerberus

04:01

How sad.

Good night.

EnglishMaster

04:20

Is it true that American kids can graduate highschool and get a bachelor's degree at the same time?

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Do you know Schildi? A very nice use of Lego...

►

Cerberus

04:45

Wow, a bitcoin is now € 204?

That's a profit of 155 % for me since April...

Mahnax

05:10

You could sell now, and grab a nice bottle of wine with the profits.

Or wait.

Cerberus

You wine snob!

And hello.

You buy wine that costs € 408 a bottle?

Mahnax

Oh my god, how much did you buy?

EnglishMaster

You can almost certainly get a free pass to any universities and companies in Korea if you can speak English like a native speaker lol..

But you should also be able to speak Korean fluently otherwise you are just a foreigner and must go back home hehe

Cerberus

@Mahnax Two bitcoins.

When they were € 80 apiece.

Mahnax

Geez.

Nicely done.

How long are you gonna hold on to them for?

Cerberus

05:22

I haven't decided yet.

We should have bought some in 2012!

Gambling is addictive.

Mahnax

Personally, I'd just sell them now before I got in too deep. But that's just me.

Cerberus

Understandable.

But I'm not getting in any deeper.

Mahnax

Plus, your profits are great. A 255% return.

Cerberus

I only made a single purchase, in April.

Mahnax

Right, I know.

Cerberus

05:24

@Mahnax Indeed.

Mahnax

There's a history of gambling addiction in my family… Heh.

Cerberus

Oh, dear!

Mahnax

I tacked on the personally because I will never gamble for that very reason.

Just in case.

Cerberus

Good.

I'm not much of a gambler. When I lose money, my ego is hurt, and I despise the whole game, more or less. So I won't spend more money on it, usually.

Mahnax

Heh.

Cerberus

05:26

When the rate goes up, I will think, "hey, now it's too expensive to buy any more; I'll just do nothing".

So I basically make an arbitrary purchase at some point, then do nothing.

How is your phone these days?

Mahnax

It's great!

Cerberus

Good, good.

I'm tempted to sell mine and buy a better one. But I won't, not any time soon.

Mahnax

Heh.

Addict.

Cerberus

hands on hips

Am not!

Perhaps I'll get a Windows Phone, muwaha.

Mahnax

Ew.

Cerberus

05:30

I'll also buy a Microsoft cap and become a Microfan.

Or a Softboy.

Mahnax

You'd give up your beloved Android?

Cerberus

Which sounds better, you think?

Mahnax

Softboy!

snorts

Cerberus

Yay!

Mahnax

Sounds hilarious.

Cerberus

05:31

Actually, nothing can beat micro-soft when it comes to obscene insults. I mean, Hugesoft might be someone's cup of tea. Or Microhard.

Mahnax

Oh, really?

Cerberus

But anyway, I meant "perhaps" as in "never".

Mahnax

Ohhh, subdefinition g. Gotcha.

Cerberus

Exactly.

But it's bed time now. I wish you a good Canaday!

Or Canadevening.

Or Canight, even.

Speaking of the Devil.

Has the Torontonian epos been completed?

Your magnum opus?

Your chef d'oeuvre?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

!!nano mr-shiny-and-new

dammit where is the bot

Cerberus

05:44

I put it to sleep?

It seemed tired of unlife.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

anyway I'm up to 4300 words

at my current pace the nano website predicts I'll be done in January

Cerberus

Is that good?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's better than 3007 which is where I was a few hours ago

Cerberus

Great.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

plus half the time I was writing I was actually working on the plot outline doc instead of the real doc. So I got some good writing speed today.

This would be going faster if I had been better prepared.

oh well.

anyway it's nearly 1am so I need to go to bed. I have work later today. And then Chinese class, for which I'm completely unprepared. Why do I bother still going.

bye

Cerberus

05:49

Night!

I'm off too!

poof

Matt Эллен

09:45

Sheldon's problem is his base assumption that Superman's flight is based on jumping really hard off the ground: "It is an extension of his ability to leap tall buildings" - which hasn't been true for quite some time - certainly not post-crisis, and not to earth-one superman for quite a while before that. — Random832 18 hours ago

I love it: "Sheldon's problem" as if the character itself had come up with the objection

a fictional character has a problem with a fictional character that it believes is fictional

were it able to believe

KitFox

12:22

Morning.

!!Hello

KitSox

@KitFox That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: tell

KitFox

!!hello

KitSox

@KitFox Hello.

KitFox

Oops. I should fix that.

Matt Эллен

12:52

!!hallow

KitSox

@MattЭллен Hey.

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