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Mahnax

3:02 PM

Hello chillun'ses.

Nathan C. Tresch

@Mahnax HOLA MI AMIGO!

Matt Эллен

hi @Mahnax

Mahnax

Uh, interesting response there @NathanCTresch.

How is everyone today?

Matt Эллен

I am hoping the weather holds for my cycle home

how are you @Mahnax?

user19161

I don't have the fonts installed to see your starred message @mahnax.

user19161

3:09 PM

It looks rubbish right now.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Aww.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: What is the proper word to say "terrorist hood" in English?

What is the correct word for the thing that gangsters have on their head during hold ups?

single-word-requests

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 I thought "terroristhood" was the state of being a terrorist.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 Getting out your big E?

that's what it should look like

user19161

@MattЭллен You know what? It still looks rubbish!

Mahnax

3:11 PM

w̶̦̱̟̪̙̰̟̮̦͙̝̻̲͚̘͖ͭ͒̒ͬ̇̌͆ͮͫ́̚͟oͬͧ̐́ͯ͝҉̟̲̪̗̥͈̭̖̳̝̠̫̘͔͍͎̝̯͝r̷̡̢̹̣̱̝̻̜ͭ̽̾̓̍ͯͯ͑̈́ͨ̓̏‌d̶̷̛̰̭̣͎͙̂ͦ̇͆͗̅̎͐ͭ̿ͨ̏̽̂̀ͯ͡s̵̡̛̞̻͚̦̜̎̊͌ͩ̂ͯ͒ͪ͌ͤ̿͌̊̂͒͂͞

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy I had a feeling you'd say that :D

Nathan C. Tresch

@RegDwight I thought the poster was asking what the word for a terrorists area of residence was.

user19161

@MattЭллен I am not even sure if we are seeing the same thing.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy that's impossible to know!

user19161

@MattЭллен Yes. Unless we believe...

user19161

3:13 PM

There can be miracles when you believe.

user19161

So Ubuntu 12.04 will be out in 7 days. I am currently trying out Fedora 17 beta.

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax t̗̝̰͊ͬ͑h̸̛̙̞̮̫̺̱͋̍e͇̩̗͓̖̲͆̂̕m̴̸͈̼̏ͦş͔͙̆ͭ̀͂̿ͩͤ̈́ͬ ̗̦̮̺̳͆ͬͧͬ͋͘͝͞ͅņ̮̙̮̱ͮ̏̄̇̂o̖̺̮ͩ͋̎̃ṯ̪̘̬̗̖̞͆ͬ̔ͫ̇̎̚ ̗̻̥̋̈͒̐w̨͍͍̝̞̞̋ͣ͛ͤͫ͂͛̀o̹͚̲̺̜̖̟ͮͯͣ̃̋̅̓͑͢͞ͅrͦ̒̌͒̊̓͛̀͏̞̼͙̭͉̙̬̩̦d̡͚͖͈͓̅͋ͫ͡s̸̄́͛̒͊ͧ̅̚‌̧̟̞̲͖̗̲̕!̻̠͎̜ͤ̓̊̎ͥ̕

Mahnax

Fun.

Matt Эллен

I tried searching Google for w̶̦̱̟̪̙̰̟̮̦͙̝̻̲͚̘͖ͭ͒̒ͬ̇̌͆ͮͫ́̚͟oͬͧ̐́ͯ͝҉̟̲̪̗̥͈̭̖̳̝̠̫̘͔͍͎̝̯͝r̷̡̢̹̣̱̝̻̜ͭ̽̾̓̍ͯͯ͑̈́ͨ̓̏‌‌d̶̷̛̰̭̣͎͙̂ͦ̇͆͗̅̎͐ͭ̿ͨ̏̽̂̀ͯ͡s̵̡̛̞̻͚̦̜̎̊͌ͩ̂ͯ͒ͪ͌ͤ̿͌̊̂͒͂͞ and it told me the search term was too long

user19161

Still the same problem in GNOME3, can't change the backlight brightness. I mean the settings do not persist after a reboot.

Cerberus

3:16 PM

@DavidWallace Hmm I have read otherwise, that it is disputed rather than discarded. Perhaps it's just this one guy?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MattЭллен I just edited this with my giant E, and guess what. The OP actually had hidden the answer in the image's alt attribute.

user19161

We may need to ask Robin Hood for what he calls his hood.

Matt Эллен

mega face palm

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Also, this answer is a shame:

16

A: What is the proper word to say "terrorist hood" in English?

..........balaclava..........

Padding it out with periods, and nobody calling him out on it or editing it into shape.

I am disappoint.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 I thought it was spam.

Matt Эллен

3:18 PM

Jon Purdy called him out

sort of

> @Peter Shor: I downvoted the other answer because I didn't think it was right, and because it's just one word with some padding characters

user19161

@MattЭллен Jon

user19161

Very interesting Mr Skeet also has this spelling of "Jon".

Robusto

@JasperLoy It is the short form of Jonathan.

user19161

@Robusto That leaves me wondering where "John" came from.

Matt Эллен

John is short for Jack

nah, I'm just messing

user19161

3:21 PM

@MattЭллен I know you are just trolling me, like everyone else!

Nathan C. Tresch

John is short for Johnathan.

(kidding)

user19161

@NathanCTresch Might be true.

Cerberus

Johannes.

user19161

Sometimes truth becomes falsehood and falsehood becomes truth. It's a complicated world.

Cerberus

That's what John is short for.

Nathan C. Tresch

3:23 PM

masc. proper name, mid-12c., from M.L. Johannes,

Aye.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus damn you beat me to it

Robusto

@MattЭллен Jack is short with Jill.

Cerberus

It is still used in Dutch.

@MattЭллен Thanks!

Nathan C. Tresch

@JasperLoy it might be true if johnathan was a valid spelling :)

Mahnax

@Cerberus My middle name.

Cerberus

3:23 PM

@Mahnax Really? Cool.

user19161

@NathanCTresch You never know, there could be a few of those in the world.

Matt Эллен

Matthew Johannes Kepler?

Robusto

Jonathan (apple)

The Jonathan apple is a medium-sized sweet apple, with a strong touch of acid and a tough but smooth skin. It is closely related to the Esopus Spitzenburg apple. History There are two alternative theories about the origin of the Jonathan apple. The first is that it was grown by Rachel Negus Higley. Mrs. Higley gathered seeds from the local cider mill in Connecticut before the family made their journey to the wilds of Ohio in 1804 where she planted them. She continued to carefully cultivate her orchard and named the resulting variety after her husband, Johnathan Higley. The other theor...

Cerberus

Finnish uses it too, huh?

Robusto

I wonder if there are Jonathan pineapples.

Matt Эллен

3:24 PM

undoubtedly

Cerberus

You bet.

Nathan C. Tresch

I believe finnish uses a lot of borroed gernamic names and words

Cerberus

Hey, how Jewish does the name sound to you?

user19161

@Robusto Pineapples may have any name they want.

user19161

@NathanCTresch borrowed

Cerberus

3:25 PM

I would expect it to sound rather neutral to Americans.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Yeah.

Nathan C. Tresch

@JasperLoy forgive the typo

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus well, I'm cheating because I have Etymonline open...

Cerberus

Much more so than Azrael or something.

Robusto

Actually, Jasper is a contraction of the French j'asperge, meaning "I must taint your urine with asparagus."

Nathan C. Tresch

3:25 PM

@Cerberus how jewish does what name sound?

user19161

@Cerberus sound

user19161

@Robusto lol

Cerberus

@MattЭллен A crime against humanity.

@NathanCTresch Jonathan.

Nathan C. Tresch

Azrael is a muslim name for Samael

user19161

Sounds like Israel.

Matt Эллен

3:26 PM

@Cerberus it's not the first and I won't be the last

Cerberus

Okay, well, Nathaniel, then.

Matt Эллен

Ezekiel

Cerberus

Any typically Jewish or evangelical name.

Matt Эллен

Jesus

Cerberus

Heh.

Jesus sounds rather Catholic?

Matt Эллен

3:27 PM

That one sounds more Spanish to me

user19161

There are real people called Jesus.

Right.

Hayzeus

Bless you

Okay, I'll interpret that as an "I don't know".

Robusto

3:27 PM

@JasperLoy Most of them speak Spanish.

Nathan C. Tresch

I cant answer as I know hebrew

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus Johannes doesn't sound Hebrew to me

it sounds Dutch

Cerberus

@MattЭллен I meant Jonathan.

Nathan C. Tresch

So I dont know what a non hebrew speaker might think

Matt Эллен

Oh

Cerberus

3:28 PM

I expect it to sound rather neutral at least to Americans.

And to Englishmen too, probably.

Matt Эллен

Yeah, it's neutral to me

Cerberus

OK.

Drupalizer

hey everybody how are doing here

user19161

Hello @drupal!

Matt Эллен

I'm meant to be fiddling data

Cerberus

3:29 PM

Here it would be slightly Jewish/evangelical. But only slightly.

How about Aaron?

Drupalizer

hi @Jasper i'm fine, what about you?

Cerberus

That one sounds definitely J/e here.

Matt Эллен

Neutral

Nathan C. Tresch

@Cerberus Sounds hebrew to me

;)

Cerberus

Hmm.

@NathanCTresch Are you sure?

There are so many people called Aaron in America, I think.

Nathan C. Tresch

3:30 PM

@Cerberus I dont count, as I am a semitic hebrew

Matt Эллен

How does Matthew sound to you, @Cerberus?

Nathan C. Tresch

SO I know that it is

user19161

I still have no idea what drupal is, I will look it up now...

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Very neutral.

Both Matthew and Matthijs.

@NathanCTresch Surely you have some intuition as to what sounds neutral in your country?

@NathanCTresch Of course you know it, silly: I am assuming we all know the etymology of Hebrew names.

You're all smart enough!

Elizabeth is another example of a name that sounds entirely neutral to me in any language, i.e. I would not specifically expect an Elizabeth to have Jewish or evangelical parents at all.

Hannah is pretty neutral too.

(E)lizer is not.

Nathan C. Tresch

@Cerberus no, I have very little idea what other people in my country think. They are all aliens to me.

Cerberus

3:36 PM

@NathanCTresch Hmm how so?

I am also interested in your views on anti-Semitism, but we'll save that for later.

Nathan C. Tresch

Well, I dont relate to them.

Cerberus

Why not?

How about your parents or siblings?

Nathan C. Tresch

PArt of that is that I am a narcissist, and part of that is that I am an autodidact in a field known for scholarly learning, and part of that is that is my IQ derivation

Cerberus

What is an IQ derivation?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: What is the opposite of commercial?

What is the opposite of commercial? Is it "personal" or "public"? I want to use these terms for a dichotomous variable I have created. EDIT: I was trying to create a variable for trucks and passenger car but writing commercial for the trucks

antonyms

Gah.

Cerberus

3:39 PM

What do you derive from IQ?

Nathan C. Tresch

My mother is insane, and spent most of my childhood on and off in mental institutions

I meant deviation. ;)

From the mean

Cerberus

Ah.

OK.

Poor you.

Nathan C. Tresch

My father left when I was like, 1 month

Because my mother is a goyim and he is a freakishly orthodox jew

Cerberus

Siblings? Friends?

Nathan C. Tresch

No siblings, very few close friends

Cerberus

3:40 PM

Then why did he marry her?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1

Q: like "widen", but for height?

The highway department is currently enlarging a tunnel, not to widen it but to... what? Is there a single verb that means to increase the vertical dimension of something? (For purposes of this question it does not matter whether they're doing that by modifying the floor or the ceiling.) Raise ...

He didnt

So. Um. Heighten?

Ah.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Ding.

Nathan C. Tresch

@RegDwight +1

Robusto

3:42 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 I might go with lengthen.

Cerberus

But surely you have some information about your fellow countrymen, through television, radio, other kinds of broadcasts and recordings?

@Robusto If it is a vertical tunnel, yes.

Nathan C. Tresch

The subject of "jewishness" never comes up

Because americans are so ridiculously worried about offfending anyone

Cerberus

Although I would imagine current automobile technology is not entirely ready for vertical driving.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Hello Prime Minister.

Nathan C. Tresch

And they are all terrified that a jew might brand them an antisemite

So they'd never say "That name sounds jewey to me"

Matt Эллен

3:43 PM

Well, branding is quite painfull

so I've heard

Cerberus

@NathanCTresch I think my intuition about this was formed by seeing and hearing lots of people, and analysing patterns: people called Aaron are very likely to be practising Jews or Christians in my country.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Thanks!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Not you. Cameron.

Nathan C. Tresch

Jews in my country are not normally named Aaron

Christians are

I don't know any jews named aaron, in fact

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh, bummer.

Matt Эллен

I don't know if I know any Jews

Cerberus

3:45 PM

@NathanCTresch Ah, see? You do know this stuff!

@MattЭллен Seriously?

I know tons.

Matt Эллен

Yeah

Cameron

@RegDwight howdy

Nathan C. Tresch

Well, yeah. When you told me how to derive it, it's clear

Matt Эллен

I guess people won't talk about their religion unless prompted

Cerberus

Although none of them are practising.

Nathan C. Tresch

3:45 PM

Matt, where are you from?

Matt Эллен

maybe I do and just don't know it

The UK

RegDwight Ѭſ道

My religion is that of believing in God.

Cameron

sounds like a good basis for religion to be

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Are there others?

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Nothing more?

Cameron

3:46 PM

to me*

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You can edit your stuff here. Just press the up arrow key.

Nathan C. Tresch

I am not religious at all, but I am a spiritual theist

Cerberus

Not a specific kind of God?

Cameron

oh, thanks. Hey, this is neat.

Nathan C. Tresch

Specifically a deist

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:47 PM

@Cerberus what do you mean, "kind of God"? There's only one.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 yes! some vary in the number of gods, and in the ways of worship

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MattЭллен that's loser talk. You should go burn in hell or something.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Like a powerful God, or a God who likes or dislikes certain acts...

Or both.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus dislikes certain cats*

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Impossible.

Everyone likes cats, all kinds.

Mahnax

3:48 PM

Cats are great.

Matt Эллен

I don't know. I don't like drowned cats

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus I can't quite parse the indefinite article before "God". You must be a non-native speaker.

Matt Эллен

rotting cats aren't nice either

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Love the person, hate the sin.

Cameron

Ra loves all cats

Cerberus

3:49 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Well, I can say "a square triangle". The object may not exist, but the concept does, as soon as you pronounce it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cameron He's also the lover of the Russian queen.

Matt Эллен

lol

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus that's loser talk. You should go burn in hell or something.

Cameron

ra ra rasputin...

Cerberus

Hmm I'm getting a vague intuition that you're not 101 % serious...

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:50 PM

And his bro Vladimir...

Nathan C. Tresch

Lover of the russian queen

Matt Эллен

I didn't realise Ra had a middle and a last name

RegDwight Ѭſ道

... enter a bar with a banana in their ears...

Matt Эллен

Vladimir ra Rasputin?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

... when a Romanian shark ....

Cameron

3:51 PM

yes, he is peculiar in that his middle name is the same as his first, like boutros boutros ghali

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 hey, you have a banana in your ears

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You must write louder.

Mahnax

H̘͖̼̯̙̲̼̩̥̦̆̿̑̈́͆ͩ̉̓ͬ̑͊̋̋͛̑̎͐̀̚͝Ȩ̭̱͇̟͙̤̲͇͈̣͍̄̐͆ͪ̄̎̊ͤ͆͘͞ ̶̛̯̞̪͖͈͇̟ͪ͊ͬ͆̌̏ͧ͋̓͊̓̕Ċͪͮ̍̚҉̥͈̳̩̦͓̯̜̺͢O̳͓̯͔͙̙̩̣͈̭͎̱̯̞̎̑͐͗̆̆͑̈́̔̐̓ͯ̍ͬͪ̒͒̈̆́͡͞M̵͙̪̻‌̜͎͚͎͔͙̮̖͎̠͓̜̩̰̻̱͊̍͗̅̕E͊̅͋̾ͫͮ̋ͥ͊̅̈́̐́͘͢҉̣͉̱̹̥̖̳̥͢ͅŞ̛͙̺̜̙͕̭̯͓̘͒̀ͩͫ̑ͮ̓͒̆̈̔̓͒ͯ̓ͬ͆ͅͅ

That is all, I'm out.

Bye!

Matt Эллен

CU!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Shouldn't it be "he goes" or "he leaves"?

Mahnax should learn more verbs for better results.

Matt Эллен

3:53 PM

I think his message was portentious

All I can say is, I hope Tony the Pony is the bringer of the apocalypse.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

All I can say I hope he is the bringer of cookies.

Matt Эллен

mmmmm

KitFox

gives @Reg cookies

Cameron

seems likely, ponies are known for their fierceness in battle

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yes. Never cross cookies with a pony.

Cameron

3:56 PM

unless that battle is in kitchen stadium

Matt Эллен

i'd feel a lot less afraid if Tony the Pony brought the apocalypse than, say if something really really scary did

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cameron We are long past that stadium already.

@MattЭллен but Denzel Washington is already here!

Matt Эллен

He's really really scary?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well, have you seen him?

Matt Эллен

not up close

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:58 PM

Lucky you.

Let me tellya, this whole Maya shit is because of him.

Matt Эллен

Oh man! I hate the Maya shit

All new calenders n stuff

everyone thinking the world's gonna end, and then finding out it was a change of stationary

bam

RegDwight Ѭſ道

See, Denzel Washington killed the chat with his maya.

Nathan C. Tresch

I've studied the maya a lot, even gone to central america and asked some mayans about stuff.

I asked a mayan archeologist a lot of questions

KitFox

Interesting factoid about Mayans...

RegDwight Ѭſ道

They had a room?

KitFox

4:07 PM

I've had sexual relations on Nemesis.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I've seen the video.

►

KitFox

Oh, I'll have to watch later. Damn.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Commute! Laters.

Cerberus

4:29 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Wow that guy is good.

Matt Эллен

5:20 PM

today I was lucky. the torrential weather didn't start until after I got to work/back home

Jez

5:42 PM

hey @RegDwight, had any time to translate those letters?

Cameron

6:24 PM

ooh, my reputation just got to 666

spoooooooky

Mahnax

6:35 PM

Hello everyone.

Matt Эллен

hello!

Mahnax

I'm working on my video.

So far, it's coming along quite nicely.

Matt Эллен

what are you making a video of?

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 I cogitate upon plenty of verbs.

@MattЭллен I'm just assembling clips from a movie to some audio to tell a story.

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax oh! nice. I think I remember you mentioning that

Cameron

6:45 PM

@Mahnax sounds like copyright infringement to me. Better turn yourself in to the police.

Matt Эллен

what's the story?

Mahnax

@MattЭллен Yep. I've decided on my song and the movie from which I obtain clips, and I have assembled the first 12 seconds.

@Cameron Shh.

Cerberus

God, I hate the copyright/patent lobby.

Mahnax

@MattЭллен Well, I'm just matching the video to the lyrics of "Fade to Black", more specifically, from around 1:30-2:30.

Life it seems will fade away,
drifting further every day.
Getting lost within myself,
nothing matters, no one else.
I have lost the will to live,
simply nothing more to give.
There is nothing more for me,
need the end to set me free. ♪

Then, metal.

Cameron

Rock!

I hear that song is actually about a stolen amplifier

Mahnax

6:49 PM

It's thrash metal.

Thrash metal is metal.

Hence the "metal" part of "thrash metal".

@Cameron Have you ever heard it/read the lyrics?

Cameron

I didn't mean it as a correction, more as an imperative, as in "there's metal playing. Let us rock!" And yes, I am a huge Metallica fan!

Mahnax

Oh, okay, good!

Metallica was my favourite band awhile back.

Matt Эллен

excellent :D

Jez

@Cerberus hey, wanna translate some german - english?

Cerberus

Ehm I have to go in a minute.

Jez

6:54 PM

hell.

Mahnax

sputters

The extent of my German is "Möchten sie etwas Schocolade?"

Jez

?

Mahnax

I'm not sure.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: difference between based and using

Can someone explain me the difference between the two sentences? Or if only one of them is right. 1) Based on the accounts of various persons, I have written my story. 2) Using the accounts of various persons, I have written my story. -- Based on the accounts, using the accounts -- 1) which...

tense modifiers

Oh my.

Jez

how did that Q get such a fuckload of votes?

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