English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mahnax

12:55 AM

Wow, been quite some time since I answered anything on the main site.

David Wallace

6:31 AM

Eight messages in my SE inbox, and seven of them were for David Wheeler. Nobody loves me at all.

and one more for Wheeler while I was typing that last comment.

Answering a thread from about 20 hours ago, I've always thought that the adjective was always "blond"; but "blond" could also be used as a noun meaning "blond man", and "blonde" is a noun meaning "blond woman". But maybe that's just how we use these words in New Zealand.

Em1

7:20 AM

X and Y are interchangeable / X and Y are exchangeable /// Does exchangeable really fit in that context? From this page it sounds to me that exchangeable is used when there is no substiantal loss, but that wouldn't work for words. What do you guys think about that?

David Wallace

"Interchangeable" means you can swap them for each other.

"Exchangeable" means you can take them back to the shop and swap them for something entirely different.

Em1

7:36 AM

Yes, ok. I sometimes read in questions or answers word A and word B are exchangeable. Following your explanation, that's wrong?

user19161

7:51 AM

@Em1 One should write interchangeable in such cases.

David Wallace

@Em1 Umm, "wrong" might be an overstatement. But "interchangeable" is definitely better.

Hi Jasper.

user19161

@DavidWallace Hi. Yeah it's also not clear what they can be exchanged for, but it is clear if we say two things can be interchanged.

Em1

Thanks @JasperLoy and @DavidWallace

user19161

@DavidWallace They should improve the pinging specifications.

David Wallace

Tell me about it. If I'm online when it happens, I sometimes drop in and point it out. But eight times in a day!

user19161

7:59 AM

@DavidWallace They love you!

David Wallace

It should favour whoever is in there, or was in there most recently. I think it goes for whoever was in the room first. I seem to be the first David ever to go to the math.SE room.

So (at)Dav gets me, so does (at)David or (at)DavidW. And since DavidWheeler's in there a lot, all three of these get used a lot.

Vitaly

9:17 AM

@Reg How many points do they lose when I win 28, I wonder…

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Who? Where?

Vitaly

In the Arena. Also, they have pushed a new update about 13 hours ago. The new Piston grindfest is M169.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Oh.

I don't think they made changes to how many points one loses. Only to how many you can win.

At least that's how I read the announcement.

Vitaly

I managed to lose 0 points twice.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Why are you doing the Arena anyway?

I see it now goes to 6000, but what's the reward?

Vitaly

9:23 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 It goes to 7500 IIRC. Platinum II and Platinum III. I am trying to figure out whether winning in the Arena gives you any crafting resources.

Plus, there are two mediocre reward cards.

I can see Thunder Crag being sometimes useful in missions with his Burst 3.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

0, 26, 9 here.

Vitaly

And you need a whopping 25 Artemis Generators for Heracles. Sigh.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Why is Heracles good, again?

Vitaly

4 attack with Swipe and Evade on a 1-delay card with a Rally Raider 1 commander like Svetlana, which also has Protect Raider 1.

Then add Mobile Base and Mortar Bunker into the mix.

And a Pantheon. Or just Fortified Cannons.

Matt Эллен

9:46 AM

I dislike this question

3

Q: What's the opposite of "Bells and Whistles"?

Bells and whistles refers to non-essential features, visual or functional, that are an enhancement to the object

antonyms

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I dislike this:

0

Q: Verbs for "and" and "or"?

Are there (better) verbs for "and"ing or "or"ing a bunch of clauses together?

verbs alternative

What is wrong with connecting or joining? — RegDwight Ѭſ道 25 secs ago

In fact I'll post that as an answer.

Matt Эллен

yay!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I mean, if something is called a logical connective, guess what it does?

Matt Эллен

oooo. uh, I know this...

give me a sec

10 km/h?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Seven. Ur stoopid! SEVEN!!!!

Matt Эллен

10:01 AM

damn it. I always for get to carry the one to Albuquerque

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Dr. Albernquerque?

Matt Эллен

yeah, him, he needs his ones

Robusto

@Vitaly Yeah, this game is getting to be even more about grinding. I'm not sure how long I'm going to last. It's getting hard to be a dilettante and, as I've said before, I do have a life of sorts.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well as I mentioned before, I'm taking a break at level 150, or faction level 12, whichever comes first.

Robusto

I'm not sure I will ever reach 100. It's getting too boring.

1

Q: "...who didn't have a..." vs "...without a..."

I titled a short story "The Girl without a Soul". But recently I've been thinking on naming it "The Girl who didn't have a Soul." Do they mean exactly the same? Which sounds better as a name for a short story?

word-choice title

Why is this even open? Also, the accepted answer is totally wrong.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:06 AM

I was thinking about joining The Retirement Home one day. Their leader personally invited me at one point. I was level 50 back then. These days their requirements are level 70 and that you fight once a week to prove you're still alive.

Robusto

Hahaha.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well you laugh. But they've been rising at 20 FP/day for months.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Your grandchildren won't visit you. Wait, you'll see.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

-2

A: "...who didn't have a..." vs "...without a..."

Good answer, also 'The Girl Without A Soul' has a lovely rythmn

I'm confused. Is he calling his own answer good?

Either way that would be a great idea.

Matt Эллен

I think he's calling the question a good answer

Robusto

10:11 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Welcome to ELU Lite.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Henceforth I shall prefix all my answers with "Good answer:".

Matt Эллен

:D

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 We see the Greek tragedy playing out here. His hubris cost him two downvotes.

Vitaly

@RegDwightѬſ道 And what happens to our faction then? If you stop carrying out your duties as a leader, I'm joining one of the top factions just to get those rewards. And then possibly one of the retirement factions, yeah.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well obviously our faction will have to be killed with fire.

Robusto

10:13 AM

@Vitaly Well, in that case I definitely will simply quit the game. It's played out anyway, and you both know it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm not letting people feed off our corpse.

Matt Эллен

but your corpse would be so tasty!

deep fried

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I know. One reason more to be mean and not let anyone taste it.

Robusto

Can factions get cremated? I mean, in the literal sense?

Vitaly

Never. Cryonics is the way to go.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:15 AM

I saw some factions getting creampied.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Eeeuuwwww. I can't unsee that image.

Matt Эллен

was that on porntube?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

There's such thing?

Matt Эллен

indeed

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I thought them was redtube and youporn.

Matt Эллен

10:17 AM

those too

Robusto

Frühstück ruft mich an. Ich muß antworten.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Haha. "An".

Du bist lustig.

Matt Эллен

good tagging:

0

Q: One word for a sentence

If a person wants to do something but he is not able to do that due to some personal reason. what is the exact word for that reason called in english?

pronouns

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Where is my giant E...

Matt Эллен

editEd

would it make sense to tag this as faq?

5

Q: List of general references

The FAQ states: But please, don’t ask any questions about these topics. They are out of scope for this site. . . . general reference This question is too basic; it can be definitively and permanently answered by a single link to a standard internet reference source designed spe...

discussion general-reference

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:54 AM

I guess.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Genau.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

0

A: How do you remember the difference between a "stalactite" and a "stalagmite"?

I remember the 1 with the C for celling & G for ground! My good old teacher taught me that too,but I always forgot the meaning by the end of the lesson!!Hence me being fik!! & answering silly stuff im the interweb!! Good old Google!! What did we do before Google?? Picked up a dictionary...

Remind me, why do we need that?

Matt Эллен

the first sentence is good.

oh, but it's already been said

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah. In the top and accepted answer with 19 upvotes.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 no reason

David Wallace

11:01 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 He meant Bidella's answer.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I know. I was being funneh again.

David Wallace

I can just never tell.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 If we do need late, bad answers that are pale imitations of the real thing, I think we should introduce a Necrophilia badge.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Oh we do have that.

Robusto

Wie?

Matt Эллен

11:06 AM

I thought that was only for good late answers

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Except for some stupid reason it's called Necromancer and requires five upvotes. Kinda counterproductive, really.

Robusto

Not the same thing at all, really.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah, they screwed it up.

Matt Эллен

so would necrophile be a gold badge you can be awarded many times?

Robusto

Necromancer is about resurrection; Necrophilia would be about trying to screw a corpse.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

11:09 AM

@MattЭллен I think Necrophile should be a diamond badge that is awarded immediately, but retracted as soon as your answer gets an upvote.

Robusto

We also need neg badges: lumps of coal, steaming piles of feces, rotten tomatoes, that sort of thing.

Matt Эллен

"You have answered 15 questions with a total score of -45 or less"

maybe it would come with a suspension

David Wallace

You should only get suspended from the activity that caused you to get the anti-badge. So if you get the "lots of stupid answers" anti-badge, you could get suspended from answering, but still be able to ask questions. And vice versa.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I dunno. If you can't figure out how to ask good questions, that's not exactly a sign you should be allowed into the business of posting answers.

The other direction might or might not work.

David Wallace

Not necessarily. You might be really smart, and know lots of stuff that's worth sharing, but be bad at asking questions. Or you might be really ignorant and post lots of terrible answers, in which case one way to become wiser would be by asking questions.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

11:23 AM

Well I dunno. If you are really smart but are bad at asking questions, what does that mean, exactly? That you can't express yourself clearly. That won't go away if you stop asking and start answering.

At any rate I can't think of a single contributor who used to ask rubbish questions but then went on to provide quality answers.

David Wallace

Maybe you just can't think of anything worth asking.

Like me. Have a look at some of the questions I've asked.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Aha! But that's a different thing entirely.

I asked tons of basic stuff during the beta, too. Many people did that. To populate the site.

Robusto

0

Q: Is 0.1 million singular or plural?

Is 0.1 million singular or plural? Since 0.1 is smaller than 1, shouldn't it be singular? E.g: This: 0.1 million people is above the age of 65. or: 0.1 million people are above the age of 65. <--This sounds right, but is it singular?

grammatical-number

Don't we have a canonical answer for this kind of question yet?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

We do.

Except this question is completely different.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with 0.1.

Robusto

Caught you with my doorstop answer.

Matt Эллен

11:27 AM

1 in 10 million

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Ha

But again, that's not the question here, either.

Matt Эллен

no, I know :D

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 OK, it's just stupid then. How would you ever say "people is"?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You would not. And that's the point.

Matt Эллен

20 hours ago, by Matt Эллен

the fact that he writes "1 in 10 children" not "1 in 10 child" makes it obvious what verb will be used

but should the question be closed as a dupe of the one that asks about plural nouns?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

11:29 AM

For all I care it's a NARQ.

Robusto

It should be closed because it is idiotic.

David Wallace

A new category I wist?

Robusto

I NARQed it.

Matt Эллен

13

Q: Should we use plural or singular for a fraction of a mile?

I have seen people say both 0.25 mile and 0.25 miles. Should we use plural or singular for a fraction of a mile?

grammatical-number numbers

RegDwight Ѭſ道

The question of whether 0.1 is singular has been answered elsewhere; but that is irrelevant because "million" is always singular in numbers (which is being answered in another question as we speak); and that, in turn, is irrelevant because he's using "people". And people just are.

@MattЭллен Yes, that's the first one I'm talking about.

Robusto

11:31 AM

Henceforth let us migrate all number questions to Math.SE.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

4

Q: Why are the words hundred, thousand, million, and trillion singular after plural numbers?

Can anyone give a grammatical explaination why the words hundred, thousand, million, and trillion are singular after plural numbers? For example, why can't we say 3 hundreds / 4 thousands etc? One of my students asked me and all I could say is that it is an exception to the rule of bringing a ...

grammatical-number

This is the second one.

But again, both of them are irrelevant.

Robusto

"$1 trillion is a lot of money." "A trillion people are coming to your party."

RegDwight Ѭſ道

BRB wurk

David Wallace

Five dollars is not a lot of money. Doesn't make five equal one.

KitFox

11:56 AM

Holla.

David Wallace

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

Oh, sorry, I thought you said "holler". Must be my non-rhotic accent.

KitFox

I was the one holla-ing atcha.

David Wallace

Your avatar just did it again. Why doesn't anyone else's avatar grow and shrink like yours?

Matt Эллен

you hallucinate when looking at foxes, @DavidWallace

RegDwight Ѭſ道

0

Q: I sing rather than well

"I sing rather than well "- to describe that I like sing but am not good at singing? Can I say this and make sense?

meaning

I want to cry.

David Wallace

11:59 AM

@MattЭллен Do I have to take two screen dumps to prove this?

Anyway, @KitFox, it's nice to see you, in your various sizes. How are you this evening (or morning as you probably call it)?

Matt Эллен

@DavidWallace well, to prove it to yourself maybe ;)

David Wallace

@MattЭллен I don't need to prove it to myself. I have seen it unambiguously.

However, I suppose I could be hallucinating. I can't believe nobody else sees this.

Matt Эллен

if only one person sees a fox in the forest, is it an hallucination?

Vitaly

I don't see anything like it either.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

0

Q: meaning of "internetz"

What does internetz mean? I realize it's not a Real Official Word™, but what is its meaning when it is normally used? Urbandictionary has several competing definitions. The Google results are irrelevant for "what is internetz" and "what does internetz mean" (with no options, with "-internet", a...

meaning internet

Oh puhleez.

KitFox

12:07 PM

@DavidWallace I am well, thank you.

Matt Эллен

dear palm,
It has been so long since I last felt your embrace. We must meet soon.
Yours sincerely,
face

KitFox

Ahahahaha. That did not end the way I expected it to.

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

But you've got a typo.

Matt Эллен

I have?

I always do that

I don't know why

defective wrist spiders, I'll bet

KitFox

12:09 PM

Damn wrist spiders.

Matt Эллен

can't get the creepy crawlies these days

RegDwight Ѭſ道

0

Q: insertion of phrase that I really don't understand

my new employer in several other instances had had occasion to call upon such qualities as it may be my good fortune to possess and found them to be, I would venture, dependable. This is a part of a sentence that I am having trouble with. Without a phrase ",I would venture,", I can understand th...

usage hedging

What the hell is hedging?

David Wallace

@KitFox Haha, me neither. Great minds, or something. Definitely or something.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Come on, Reg, there's an answer that specifically mentions it.

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 Um, well, you know. Hedging.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@DavidWallace I don't need an answer to explain the question to me.

Matt Эллен

12:12 PM

putting a border around (for protection)

KitFox

Wow, Reg and I made almost identical edits at the same time.

Matt Эллен

or maybe putting a barrier between (for protection)

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox except you wrongfully capitalized the first word. Tsk tsk tsk.

KitFox

5

A: The meaning and origin of "hedge your bets"

To "hedge your bets" means to reduce or mitigate your risk. According to Etymology Online, this usage of hedge has been around since the 1600s. From this page, the origin of the phrase comes from an actual hedge or plantings that act as a fence to enclose a piece of land. A hedge delimits an ar...

David Wallace

I don't think the "hedging" tag was originally on the question.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Wrongfully? Or just wrongly?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:14 PM

@DavidWallace ah good point.

KitFox

@DavidWallace It wasn't. The guy who answered "hedge" tagged it that way.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Actually Kit's swapping the sentences around makes it even more confusing.

KitFox

rolls eyes Fine. Roll it back.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Haha.

KitFox

You're not hurting my feelings.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:15 PM

No I want you to understand first.

David Wallace

@KitFox That was kind of weird of him.

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 Understanding is not necessary for obedience.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

He says, "I have problem. This is reason." You swap them, "This is reason. I have problem." If you gonna cut to the chase like that, drop the "I problm" part under the table.

KitFox

Well, I was going to, but then it popped up that someone else had edited it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

My evil plan of total confusion is fruiting!

KitFox

12:18 PM

0

A: What does "half the point" mean?

HALF WAY SHOULD REALLY BE REFERENCED AS MIDWAY, AS TO BE IN THE CENTER OF THE COMPLETION OF A PROJECT NO MATTER WHAT THE SAID PROJECT IS. IN ESSENCE ONE MAY CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE HALFWAY DONE IN PROJECT COMPLETION, OR IN OTHER WORDS ONE COULD CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING ...

OMFG.

Kill it before it multiplies.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Cruise control.

So DAUGHTER ZION YOU KNOW ME ends her answers in "YAH". Shouldn't it be "YAHWEH" instead?

David Wallace

@KitFox Her only other answer looks similar, but is somehow less coherent.

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 That would be naughty.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

-3

A: What does "a sock full of pennies" mean?

THIS IS THE IDIOM OF DAMN NEAR A DOZEN EVIL IDIOTS THAT DESERVE MY VERY BEST FROM ALL THE DAMAGE AND PAIN THEY HAVE CAUSED IN YEARS OF MY LIFE THAT TOOK MY TRIBULATION TO ITS LOWEST ZIONIC ZENITH ! SATAN AND THE DEVIL WITH HIS HOARD OF EVIL ANGELS OF OLD WHO HAPPEN TO BE SOCK PUPPETRY WITH UNDAR...

Come on, you gotta love "THIS IS THE IDIOM OF DAMN NEAR A DOZEN EVIL IDIOTS"

David Wallace

@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes, you're right. You'd better edit it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:21 PM

Admit it, that's what you'd like to begin many an answer with.

Matt Эллен

I would like to begin many answers with BECAUSE YOUR FACE

but I don't

David Wallace

Sock puppetry with undarnible holes! Beautiful!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Oh damn, wurk again.

David Wallace

My alleged foxy hallucinations are some kind of interlacing issue. Like the fox is drawn large and low-res. Then a higher resolution comes along, and the fuzzy edges disappear, making the fox physically smaller, but better looking.

KitFox

Why is it that when I have no food, that's when I am hungriest?

Matt Эллен

12:24 PM

if you had food, you wouldn't be hungry

KitFox

No, that's not it.

;)

Matt Эллен

ah, well then. I guess it could be a global conspiracy, using subliminal messages that are triggered by a lack of food to make you feel hungriest

David Wallace

Really late! Need sleep. Good night all.

Matt Эллен

Good night one

JSBᾶngs

g'marnin everyone

Gigili

12:31 PM

Good night two

KitFox

ciao

@JSB And how are you this fine day?

JSBᾶngs

pretty well!

i just hope my baby is feeling ok

Gigili

Why good morning? Where does she live? Amazon?

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Oh?

Matt Эллен

@Gigili or somewhere on the same line of longitude

KitFox

12:33 PM

@Gigili It's morning here, but morninger where JSB lives.

JSBᾶngs

yeah, our little one wasn't doing very well this morningh

Oh dear. Cold?

Motoring. Latahz.

cu

he had a cold a few days ago, and he doesn't seem to have completely gotten over it

byo Robo

KitFox

12:34 PM

@Robusto later.

David Wallace

Before I go to sleep, can any of you smart people tell me what this means?

it's a pronoun

possibly

giggles

eye thank ewe

12:35 PM

Oh, sorry, I lost it. I've got it now.

JSBᾶngs

well, i'm against it

KitFox

I wish I had a delete button right on my mouse.

Matt Эллен

@DavidWallace this is what you need explaining, or you understand what you thought you didn't?

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs It's not things. Why are you against it?

JSBᾶngs

it's totally a thing! it's definitely not stuff

David Wallace

12:37 PM

No, I got a message that I didn't understand. I tried to paste it underneath the "Before I go to sleep" remark, but I pressed ENTER instead, realised I'd lost it out of my clipboard, so I tried again. When I pasted it the second time, I could see the whole message which I couldn't earlier and which now makes sense.

JSBᾶngs

@DavidWallace at least you triggered an interesting nonsense conversation

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Well, true, it's not really stuff. But is it a thing? There's the rub.

David Wallace

The message was
Cannot add comments to this post; it may be
(click on this box to dismiss)

Matt Эллен

lol

David Wallace

and when I eventually managed to paste it, I saw the words "locked or deleted", which were actually invisible in the message.

So my problem is solved; but I'm glad to have provided entertainment for you all.

KitFox

12:40 PM

Hmm. If I am using nested master pages, and I want to add some javascript to the head content on the topmost master, anybody know how to do that?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox at it to the template of the topmost master page

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Taliban commander turns self in... for reward on ‘Wanted’ poster

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Even if I only use it on this one page?

And Reg, which war should I fight?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox eh, it's not hurting anyone if it sits there uselessly on all of the other pages

David Wallace

Good night again.

JSBᾶngs

12:42 PM

(unless it does something nasty everywhere except that one page)

KitFox

I'm suspicious because it's a Google package.

JSBᾶngs

in case it does do something nasty, you can probably include logic to discover whether you want that bit of javascript or not

KitFox

It's against my better judgment to use it in the first place.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox the active one pls.

KitFox

Even though we are 1K up?

Did I mention that my project lead wants to use Google motion charts and make sure the site plays nicely with iPads?

Matt Эллен

12:44 PM

what are Google motion charts?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox this is probably not too difficult

i imagine the googlebits are ipad-friendly

KitFox

@MattЭллен Flash-based animated charts that make pretty lights for stupid people.

@JSBᾶngs Except for the Flash part.

Matt Эллен

I see!

KitFox

So actually useless on the iPad.

Matt Эллен

I think Highcharts are all javascript

JSBᾶngs

12:46 PM

@KitFox THERE'S FLASH IN THE GOOGLEBITS?

i'm disappointed

KitFox

Well, the API we have is Flash-based, yes.

JSBᾶngs

they might as well just use silverlight, then. better API than flash

Matt Эллен

I use highcharts and so they must be easy to use

KitFox

I'll look into it when I get back to the charting part.

makes notes about charts

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Ah yes. The familiar tale of "this thing is better than that other thing, only, nobody has it installed".

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:48 PM

Turbo Pascal 5.5 is the best.

KitFox

I feel very surly about motion charts in the first place.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 isn't it default on most windows machines these days?

true fact: i worked on SL 5

KitFox

These teachers are barely literate, but look! the circles grow before your eyes!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs new machines, yes. Old machines, no. Non windows machines, no.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 how about "all machines that use netflix"? that's a pretty large number of machines

but it's probably a lot smaller in the segment that kit is targeting

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:50 PM

@JSBᾶngs just a couple million.

Nobody uses Netflix here.

JSBᾶngs

in reality, i would expect any browsery thing that wants to be cross-platform to just use javascript

and the canvas element.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My point is just that no matter how nice Silverlight is, it is not as ubiquitous as Flash. Does it have a Mac client? There is, or was, a linux client but I'm not sure how well supported it is.

KitFox

Can I get some agreement about how stupid motion charts are?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm fresh out of agreement. Ask again tomorrow.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I have 4Kg of agreement right here

KitFox

12:52 PM

scowls

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox I'll agree. animation should serve a purpose. Either to demonstrate to the user that the computer is doing something, or to visualize data changes over time, or something like that.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 SL has been supported on Mac for years

Matt Эллен

well, I've not used Google motions charts, but if they're just charts that move about, I'm sure they're annoying

JSBᾶngs

i myself wrote a non-trivial amount of Mac code for SL

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs ok, that's good

JSBᾶngs

12:53 PM

@KitFox stoopid motion charts

KitFox

@MattЭллен They are canned and pretty inflexible displays of moving data. For instance, you can't alter the timeline increments; you must use real dates, and if you don't, they are still formatted as dates (so you get 1-jan-1900, etc).

@JSBᾶngs Thank you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So it appears, from Microsoft's site, that Silverlight is supported on Windows and Mac. But that means no android and no ios and no linux. Flash can at least do two of those last three (but going forward they are dropping android and linux... sigh)

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 on the other hand, there is moonlight for Linux

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So soon Flash will have the same effective installed base as silverlight

KitFox

It's ridiculous that I should be compelled to create these stupid pieces of crap just because my project lead is dry-humping Google on a regular basis.

Matt Эллен

12:55 PM

needs mono to run

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен how well does it work?

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't know. :D

JSBᾶngs

i love mono. i write things for mono all the timez

Matt Эллен

I have written some things for mono, but then we scrapped that part of the project

KitFox

What is that? I've not heard of it.

Matt Эллен

12:57 PM

it is a .NET implementation for linux

JSBᾶngs

it's quite spiffy

KitFox

O_o

JSBᾶngs

you can build stuff on linux and run it on windows (or mac, if the mono runtime is installed) w/ no changes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's also the basis of a C# implementation for Android and iOS

KitFox

I am excited at the mere thought.

JSBᾶngs

12:58 PM

the only other way you can do that is if you used java, but then you'd have to use java

KitFox

I have wistfully desired to switch over to linux at work, but it's just not practical.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Hey! I use Java every day! And I'm only 43% insane! twitch

JSBᾶngs

i used to write java as my main language. but C# is just so much better

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oh yeah, I came in here to post this:

KitFox

lol

Matt Эллен

12:59 PM

:D

JSBᾶngs

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A: What are major differences between C# and Java?

Not all of your summary is correct: In Java methods are virtual by default but you can make them final. (In C# they're sealed by default, but you can make them virtual.) There are plenty of IDEs for Java, both free (e.g. Eclipse, Netbeans) and commercial (e.g. IntelliJ IDEA) Beyond that (and ...

@MrShinyandNew安宇 lol

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