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@Cerberus I was trying to understand from where American took the bagels. As Dutch was one of the first presences in America, I thought it could be they took it from them.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb least you get an upvote.

Mahnax

@Sonic You have some good questions/answers here.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Oh, I see. No, they are decidedly American here. But I think they may be originally Jewish.

Mahnax

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A: Would the "Cavendish drawl" be considered a dialect?

What about a minimal dialect: A dialect spoken by one individual is called an idiolect. Everyone has small differences between the way they talk and the way even their family and best friends talk, creating a minimal dialect. Source: Sociolinguistics lecture slides

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:29 AM

My only wish was to be successful at something, if that is even possible.

@Mah Took a google search. Got lucky.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Well, if you're not interested in English, why do you care about questions at all?

Mahnax

8 upvotes and an accept is a success in my book.

@SonicTheHedgehog You took the initiative.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb I actually miss talking to sensitive people.

Adults were the first thing that came into my mind.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog I'm not sure whom you are thinking of now.

Sonic The Hedgehog

You guys, basically.

Cerberus

5:31 AM

Yeah the Cavendish answer is good.

Sure, we're sensitive!

Sonic The Hedgehog

sighs

Mahnax

Yep. I can be sensitive too.

Cerberus

And you're doing your best to get your spelling and grammar right now.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb sensitive as in sensible.

Cerberus

That helps too.

Mahnax

5:32 AM

@SonicTheHedgehog I fail to see how the two are related.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Hmm...sensitive as in susceptible to the subtle emotions that lubricate social interaction? Or sensible, as in having common sense?

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mah they aren't? groans

@Cerb second...

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog Not really.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Sonic The Hedgehog

God...

Mahnax

5:33 AM

And I am sensible.

As is Cerb.

Cerberus

@Mahnax If you say so.

@Mahnax Yes.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus You are right. I don't know why, but the Italian Wiki puts the accent on that more than the English Wiki.

Cerberus

Hehe.

Mahnax

@Cerberus I do say so.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mah Course you are, atleast you get those bloody rep.

kiamlaluno

5:33 AM

It even reports the Yiddish name.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Ah OK.

@SonicTheHedgehog Who cares about rep?

kiamlaluno

Bagel

Il Bagel (in Yiddish בײגל beygl) è una pasta lievitata, a forma di grosso anello, bollita brevemente in acqua e poi cotta al forno. È un pane che si utilizza in tutti i paesi dove esiste una comunità ebraica aschenazita. Di fattura molto semplice, sono stati portati negli USA dagli immigrati polacchi. La produzione di questi pani è diventata popolare negli Stati Uniti, Canada e Regno Unito, soprattutto nelle grandi città con popolazione ebraica, come Montreal, New York e Toronto e ognuna di esse ha un modo particolare di preparare il bagel. Il bagel è denso interiormente e rosolato...

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb I actually care about success.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog Well, if you want to see something impressive, check out this user's profile:

Daniel δ, Pennsylvania

20.9k 5 46 108

16 years old and a total beast.

Cerberus

Question: does Italian have a word than means old woman and sounds somewhat like ano?

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:35 AM

To feel as though I am finally GOOD at something; no the best.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Well, none of us if ever going to have the most rep on the site.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Well, old is vecchia in Italian.

Cerberus

You are still young; you will find a niche in which you are the best.

Mahnax

Exactly, what Cerb just said.

Cerberus

No need to be the best at unfamiliar territory and at a young age.

kiamlaluno

5:36 AM

I cannot think of any words starting with ano to mean an old woman.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb tried everything I can put my hands on.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Yeah I know, but that's very different.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Being young is only an excuse.

Mahnax

It's a perfectly legitimate excuse.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Hmm OK. The reason I ask is that anus in Latin can mean "ring" (m.) or "old woman" (f.).

kiamlaluno

5:37 AM

@Cerberus let me check my Italian dictionary.

Cerberus

Ok!

@SonicTheHedgehog Not at all.

You need experience and learning.

Besides, what's so good about being the best?

Who cares?

Mahnax

@Cerberus You get to call yourself Robusto.

I do.

Why?

I know why.

5:38 AM

What if you are the best at your job, but are unhappy in most other areas?

Sonic The Hedgehog

scoffs To prove that I am better of course. What else?

Cerberus

Or even unhappy at your job?

@SonicTheHedgehog But why do you care? This is circular reasoning.

:2897052 He may still gain some height!

...My brain hurts.

@Cerberus Hehe.

@Mah saw it.

5:39 AM

Ask yourself why.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog I know.

I removed it because it could be considered offensive, and I regretted posting it.

Sonic The Hedgehog

...Why?

Cerberus

Life isn't about beating other people to victory; it is getting out of it the things that matter.

Sonic is quite good at not taking offence.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@cerb getting out of it the things that matter?

Cerberus

In fact, you are the best at that in this room, ever.

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:41 AM

@Cerb but how?

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Getting the things that matter out of life.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog You haven't left yet.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog You tell me!

Sonic The Hedgehog

...true...

Cerberus

If you want to be the best at something, you need learning and practice.

kiamlaluno

5:42 AM

@Cerberus No. It seems that most of the words starting with ano in Italian derives from an + another word.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I am merely angry at what life has given me, It has propeled me to try to do best; to lift my self asteem.

Cerberus

So if you want to improve your English, you need to learn from people and try write impeccably.

@kiamlaluno Hmm, interesting.

Could the a or the n have changed? Probably not...

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb laughs but thats the point.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog When I was younger that was how I felt.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Which things are you so unhappy with?

kiamlaluno

5:43 AM

Of course, ano is an Italian word, but it means anus.

Yeah.

No comment.

Okay.

@Sonic Have you ever tried programming?

Cerberus

Well, could it be that you are now at a very difficult age, and that you will see things differently when you grow up?

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:45 AM

But thats the point. I am nothing at this state.

Cerberus

And you don't need to be!

kiamlaluno

(I make a bet on who is older, in this room.)

Mahnax

Exactly.

@kiamlaluno Go for it.

kiamlaluno

That is easy: Moi.

Cerberus

Maybe you should look into Buddhism and Zen.

It teaches you inner calm and acceptance.

Mahnax

5:46 AM

Heh. I would guess that Cerb is somewhere between 22 and 28 years old.

Cerberus

I don't have any experience with it myself.

kiamlaluno

What is the best of Zen?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Why should I stay at nothing? To have higher social status, to get better grades; isn't it what everybody wants?

user19161

Boo!

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog How's the studying coming along?

kiamlaluno

5:46 AM

(Now tell me that I didn't invent a good joke.)

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Yes, and it leads to a mid-life crisis as soon as people realize that that isn't what really matters in life. Some never realize.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog What will it achieve? Okay, great, you've got boatloads of money. You hate your job, which keeps you working for 100 hours a week and you never see the family and you have marriage problems.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Heh I didn't get it at first.

user19161

@Cerberus You sound very knowledgeable on this.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Make that 100.

user19161

5:47 AM

@kiamlaluno What joke?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Sure, 100.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy I said I had no experience with it.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus I have still to say the joke: What is the best of Zen?

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cebr does it not?

@Kia what is the value of studying geometry?

user19161

@Mahnax Your emails show you are wise for your age.

Mahnax

5:48 AM

@JasperLoy Thank you.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Oh, I thought "best" and "Zen" were supposed to be a contradiction in terms!

@SonicTheHedgehog What?

user19161

@Mahnax But I emailed you not for advice, just to rant.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Uhmmm… That too, but the answer is a joke too. :-)

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cebr it a joke.

Cerberus

Then answer it!

It is nearly bed time.

kiamlaluno

5:49 AM

@SonicTheHedgehog To build your mind.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy I know. But I felt as though I should say something supportive.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog You misspelled.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Get ready for a roar of some nature.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus It's zenzero. (Zen-zero.)

user19161

@Mahnax I know. I did not say you should not. Basically we understand each other very well.

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:50 AM

There is negative energy in here; less talk about yin-yang.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy I agree.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Hmmm is that an Italian word? I'm afraid my Italian is rusty!

kiamlaluno

Zenzero is the Italian word for ginger.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Its almost bedtime for me as well.

Cerberus

Ahh!

Mahnax

5:50 AM

@SonicTheHedgehog What time is it there?

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog When will you know the results?

Cerberus

Too bad I didn't know it.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jas late feb

@Mah same time as you are.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Are you sure?

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog I thought that you lived in New Jersey.

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:51 AM

@Jasper yes

@Mah changing AM to PM might help. And vice versa.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog But he is GMT-7. You?

Sonic The Hedgehog

EST.

1:00 AM.

Mahnax

Ah, see. That is not the same time as me.

kiamlaluno

That is GMT-6.

Mahnax

2 days ago, by Sonic The Hedgehog

NJ

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:53 AM

@mah huh...

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog You mean almost 2 am?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Then we are like at, opposite sides of the globe.

@Jasper almost 1 am.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog And I was correct. I am GMT-7, you are GMT-5.

Here it is almost 11 PM.

user19161

And then there is daylight savings.

user19161

Very complicated.

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:53 AM

And all this time I thought I was EST...

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog You are. EST is GMT-5.

kiamlaluno

New Jersey is at EST, or ET.

Sonic The Hedgehog

...

?!

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog You better get the time right! It could be a test question!

kiamlaluno

Are we using the Daylight Saving Time, now?

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:55 AM

@Jasper thanks.

user19161

It is 1.55 pm here now.

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno Who knows?

kiamlaluno

No, I am GMT+1.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb Now, you are basically saying that it is ok to be like this right now?

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno So almost 7 AM?

Cerberus

5:56 AM

@SonicTheHedgehog Probably, yes.

Sonic The Hedgehog

sighs

user19161

@mahnax I feel better now. I am no longer pissed with the two people.

Cerberus

Try to get better at things that you want to get better at, but always try to accept when it doesn't work out the way you planned.

Sonic The Hedgehog

But their life seems to be better.

Cerberus

Whose?

Mahnax

5:57 AM

@JasperLoy You've already said too much. From now on, I think that such things should not even be remotely mentioned in chat.

Them.

Who is them?

@Mahnax Yes.

@kiamlaluno Okay.

Do I really need to tell you??

kiamlaluno

5:57 AM

It's 6:57 AM.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog Yes.

Cerberus

Yes, or it doesn't make sense.

People you know personally?

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno It is 22:57 here.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb...perhaps.

Cerberus

So yes.

user19161

5:58 AM

@Mahnax Yes, there won't be a next time.

Cerberus

Class "mates"?

kiamlaluno

SO, I am at CET, and @SonicTheHedgehog is at ET.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb yes.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Good good.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Everybody feels that way in school.

Sonic The Hedgehog

5:59 AM

@Cebr however, there is social system.

Cerberus

It is understandable, but later in life you will laugh at it.

user19161

@Mahnax I know what's happening. I'm not stupid you know.

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