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@kiamlaluno The scary thing is, you think you know what someone thinks of you, but later you realise what they think of you is so different from what you think they think.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy I dunno if that is worse from who tells you something, and then you discover is all a lie.

It could also be worse when all your intentions are categorically misunderstood, or used against you.

I start to think that worrying about somebody is not of this world. If somebody tells you s/he doesn't like something, and you avoid doing that thing, then you get complains about you not doing that thing.

I guess that when somebody complains about something, you must keep doing that thing.

It seems people like being battered.

user19161

3:59 AM

@kiamlaluno Sometimes people do something bad but they don't think much about it. And when you do something not bad they criticise you for it as if they are saints. It is very scary.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy And don't try to make them understand that. Despite they talk of parity, there is always an implicit "I can, you cannot" in what they say.

"We are equal, but I can get a gift from somebody else, and you cannot."

"We are equal, but if I offend you, I don't remember doing it; if you offend me, I will remember it until I die."

Of course, they will keep saying you and they are equal, and there is parity between you.

user19161

@kiamlaluno I am starting to see many similarities in our experiences.

Cerberus

I don't have experiences like yours.

kiamlaluno

I wonder if they understand when they say lies, or it's all built in their heads, and they don't realize that.

user19161

@Cerberus Because you belong to this world, kiam and I do not.

Cerberus

4:07 AM

I think many people are nice and reasonable.

user19161

@Cerberus Because you have not met the other type yet.

Cerberus

I have met many people.

Your statement is weird.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus A single negative experience makes you change your idea about that.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes I am saying many weird things today, because I have been upset twice this week.

Cerberus

Then is it wise to base your ideas on a single experience?

kiamlaluno

4:09 AM

@Cerberus No, but that can make you think that what you think is just an expectation, and not what really happens.

user19161

@Cerberus It depends on how strong that experience is. Some words are very strong and if used against you it hits a raw nerve.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Ehh I fail to see how the bad thing is the real thing, and all the good things are illusions.

@JasperLoy But is it rational?

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Well, when somebody tells you something that then you discover to be the opposite, you could wonder if somebody else who said you something really means that.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno But if this happens rarely, you probably shouldn't generalize based on it.

kiamlaluno

It could be they just avoid to say what they really think.

Cerberus

4:14 AM

Or it could be that you just had a few unlucky experiences.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Or it could be we prefer to think well, even of bad people.

Sonic The Hedgehog

We are humans.

Period.

Now, lets discuss more cheerful topic!

...Anybody here?

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Could be, but I don't think so.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Yoo Hoo!

...Couple of lights flickering in here, I see.

@Mah yo

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog Hi there.

Cerberus

4:24 AM

flickers

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mah What time is it there?

simchona

@Cerb--I'm trying to have my old room reopened. When it is, there's something quick I'd like to ask if possible

Cerberus

@simchona Certainly!

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog 21:25.

simchona

@Cerberus Thank you dahling

Cerberus

4:25 AM

You know what Shog is like...

Sonic The Hedgehog

@simchona ...Old room?

Cerberus

He closed our game room too.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@sim what does that even mean?

simchona

@SonicTheHedgehog Don't worry about it.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mah so, we are both awake. :)

Mahnax

4:25 AM

@SonicTheHedgehog Heh.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@sim pouts

Cerberus

You can create a new room on this site if you have have enough reps.

Mahnax

@Cerberus How much reps?

@SonicTheHedgehog Yep.

simchona

@SonicTheHedgehog If I wanted you to know, I would've told you

Sonic The Hedgehog

Let me see...

Cerberus

4:26 AM

No idea.

Try it.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Think I know

Cerberus

Oh, you have more than enough.

Mahnax

Yeah, I do.

Sonic The Hedgehog

creating chat rooms: 100 rep.

Mahnax

Someone should try to create a WMT room, but name it something like "Prepositional Analysis".

Sonic The Hedgehog

4:27 AM

Create Gallery Chat rooms: 1000 rep.

Cerberus

@Mahnax No, apparently private rooms are not allowed any more.

For no good reason.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb For no good reason?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Hmm, okay.

Cerberus

Anyone can read what happens in a gallery room.

Mahnax

@Cerberus True, true.

Sonic The Hedgehog

4:28 AM

@Cerb I'll have you know, I have passion for snooping.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog We had the WMT room for 6 months. Then one day Shog destroyed it, because of "policy".

Sonic The Hedgehog

Gonna be a Forensic Computer Specialist someday :))

Mahnax

@Cerberus Silly Shog.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb show me the policy.

simchona

@Cerberus If that's so, I might need to email. This definitely doesn't need to be public.

@SonicTheHedgehog You forget "a".

Cerberus

4:29 AM

We argued what we could, told him he offended a bunch of very loyal, experienced users. But he didn't care. Nor did he give us one good argument why private rooms were bad.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I bet it is filled with bunch of Federalist stuff.

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog I don't have it. Shog said it was so.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb Someone give me copy of the Bill of Rights!!!

Cerberus

@simchona Yeah probably.

simchona

@SonicTheHedgehog You forgot another article.

Sonic The Hedgehog

4:30 AM

@sim is that it?

Cerberus

@SonicTheHedgehog Some? Who?

simchona

@SonicTheHedgehog Again, you forgot an article.

Mahnax

@simchona He does that a lot.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Meh

simchona

@Mahnax I think it's because Korean is his first language

Sonic The Hedgehog

4:31 AM

I think too fast...

Mahnax

@simchona Or just because English is not his first.

simchona

@Mahnax That was going to be my next point

Sonic The Hedgehog

@sim same thing.

Mahnax

Then again, loads of Finnish people never use articles in English because there are no articles at all in Finnish.

@simchona Ah, okay.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mah I should try it then.

simchona

4:32 AM

@Cerb--I don't remember your email.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog Try what?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Finnish.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog snorts Finnish is the 3rd hardest language for people to learn.

simchona

@Mahnax Then he should start with Chinese and Arabic first.

Sonic The Hedgehog

-_- Shut up...

Mahnax

4:33 AM

@simchona Or maybe perfect English first.

simchona

@Mahnax Ooo. Zing.

Mahnax

@simchona Yeah, well. Articles!

Although I must say your English isn't too bad @Sonic.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Its internet.

Mahnax

@SonicTheHedgehog It's the Internet.

Sonic The Hedgehog

My English is fine in the real world, thank you very much.

simchona

4:35 AM

@Mahnax You make me all warm and fuzzy inside

Mahnax

@simchona I try.

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax Italian is my first language, but we do use articles. It's not just English that uses articles; actually, Italian uses articles more often than English.

simchona

@Mahnax Such a sweetheart. Who I'm going to assume is male.

Mahnax

@simchona Yes.

@kiamlaluno I'm not saying other languages don't use articles. I speak some French, and I know that Italian has them too.

simchona

@Mahnax Good. Though I'd be fine flirting with females too. Darling.

Mahnax

4:37 AM

@simchona Alrighty then!

Although I am a minor, so you'll have to be careful @sim.

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax I was referring to the fact you seemed to associate the fact s/he doesn't use articles with the fact English is not his/her first language.

simchona

@Mahnax I'll be good.

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax You are assuming the age of who is speaking.

Mahnax

@simchona Good good.

@kiamlaluno Hmm?

simchona

@kiamlaluno It's a he.

Mahnax

4:39 AM

@kiamlaluno Oh. I just find that many foreigners omit articles.

simchona

@Mahnax I've found the same.

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax Are there any law against two minors flirting?

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno Oh, is simchona a minor then?

simchona

@kiamlaluno Well, not a minor. This is borderline cougar-dom

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax When I omit articles is to avoid writing as I would in Italian. :-)

Mahnax

4:41 AM

@kiamlaluno I think something is missing from that sentence.

@simchona Is that your cat or a Google Images cat?

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax I don't know. I am just saying you could speak to a minor.

simchona

@Mahnax Google images. Cute though, right?

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno Well I can speak to whoever I want to speak to, technically.

@simchona Yep, I want one. Unfortunately, I am allergic.

simchona

@Mahnax Between that and being a minor, I see we'd never work out :p

kiamlaluno

@Mahnax Nobody said the opposite; yet, I don't think a minor should be careful of what said to another minor.

Mahnax

4:43 AM

@simchona Well, I am selectively allergic. I seem to do well with long-haired cats.

Which is a little odd.

simchona

@Mahnax You're still a minor. Problem.

Mahnax

I'm getting sick of being Bob Marley.

@simchona Yeah, and I'm also located in another country.

kiamlaluno

(What is a cougar-dom?)

simchona

@kiamlaluno A cougar is an older woman who chases younger guys. Granted, it's really used for middle-aged women. Which I am not.

Mahnax

@kiamlaluno Which is why she said borderline, because it really isn't cougardom.

simchona

4:47 AM

@Mahnax I think you should've pinged @kiamlaluno on that

Mahnax

@simchona Ooops. I though I did.

kiamlaluno

@simchona How much young must be those younger guys?

@simchona I thought so.

simchona

@kiamlaluno Usually around early 20s.

kiamlaluno

Oh.

That must be a cultural thing. I don't think we have a word for that.

simchona

@kiamlaluno I'm sure it's a neologism

kiamlaluno

4:50 AM

I am sure they would have something to say about a middle-age woman dating a 20-something year old buy.

simchona

Or rather, a new application

kiamlaluno

I knew of the word panther being used to refer to women, in another context.

I am sure they don't use the word cougar in that context.

Mahnax

There we are. If any of you so desire, refresh your browser to see my new[?] gravatar.

simchona

@Mahnax Is that the...VMWare icon?

Mahnax

@simchona It's the Python logo.

kiamlaluno

4:54 AM

It seems the Python logo.

simchona

Right. Python. That.

I knew it looked familiar from my studies.

Mahnax

Yep. My favourite programming language.

Well, I'm getting some tea. I may or may not return.

simchona

Happy tea drinking.

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