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2:00 AM
It can't be six, it's three
 
@Vickel How did you put on multiple hats?
@Panda ah.. if that's the case, no Eliza Doolots for me :D
 
But earn 200 doesn't seem right either
 
@U9-Forward but we've concluded that it involved earning (~200) rep on multiple sites :S
 
@WELZ Anyways, i am only on one site, so maybe give up on that hat...
 
@WELZ Is rep cap needed?
 
2:04 AM
@Vickel I wanna really ask you, how do you put on multiple hats?
 
@Panda hmm, that's a good point.
 
@U9-Forward You can't
 
it's magic :)
 
@U9-Forward screenshot with a hat and make it your profile image
Then add a hat and repeat.
until you are too hot, then just take em all off
 
@welz spoiler
 
2:05 AM
@WELZ Ohhh... that i can do :-), i don't want to bother tho :-), since you can't do that non-manually :D
lol, :D
 
@U9-Forward nobody knows yet, and it's not likely to be solved for a while
 
@Riker Okay, it's still beginning of Winter Bash :D
 
In a way...
 
yep
 
any news on last years triggers of secret hats like Row Of Many Candles : Participate in a site (vote, post a question, post an answer, etc...) while it's 2017-12-20 (the last day of Hanukkah 2017) anywhere in the world. The hat was first triggered on 2017-12-19 10:00AM UTC. ?
 
2:08 AM
@EthanK considering last year i believe it went to like jan 9? we have plenty of time
@Vickel nope, none of those yet I believe
 
It will go to Jan 1st this year
 
@Riker No, it ends Jan 1 this year
:(
 
oh what
lame
but ok
 
Somebody feature-request that it goes to Jan 10th or something.
It might work.
I could do it...
What do you think?
Should I?
 
I think Eliza Doolots might be triggered after 7 days of activity on 3 sites
 
2:10 AM
@Panda That might be it!!!
Or... "7 days of activity on 3 sites getting 200 rep"
 
@EthanK Yea that was what I meant
 
200 because it makes you a "trusted user"
 
@Panda What, that's bad news, end so early, well, you can say i am a newbie to Winter Bash, last year i earned 0 hats :-)
 
I think that is it!
 
"be active for 7 days straight, gaining 200 rep per site across that"?
 
2:11 AM
@U9-Forward :( you take a look and try out new sites
 
@EthanK some years ago I asked for a summer bash with surfboards, shorts, bikinis, cocktail drinks, palm trees, etc, but people didn't like it...
 
The theory stands cause I'm short of 2 days of activity on 1 site
 
@U9-Forward I am sorry about hat. (I mean that)
 
it would be less fun if it was common
 
@Panda Okay then, well, lol :-)
 
2:13 AM
Quick Poll: Would you want Winter Bash to go on for 9 more days?
If I get good feedback I will request it.
 
nah it's fine like this
 
@EthanK It's all okay for me :-)
 
I think I will ask. YOLO!
Maybe only 5 days?
How many days?
 
@Riker that seems plausible
 
@EthanK no it's 100% fine as is
again it's special because it's not common
 
2:16 AM
@EthanK I think most companies advertising on SO wouldn't be very happy about extending that craziness after the holiday period.
 
and I believe it started earlier this yaer (wasn't it 14th last)
believe it or not the main focus of this site is NOT hats
 
Fine. I won't
 
2nd of January! back to work, seriously!
 
@Riker Wait. Are you saying that limited time progress that will be gone in less than a month event that gives you nothing but bragging rights is not the main focus of the site???
 
@Riker I guess if this theory's right we should see more of this hat in the coming days
 
2:19 AM
@Panda I think you may have found the trigger, though.
 
@EthanK I hope so
 
@EthanK you can always keep a hat, creating it as you explained earlier
@EthanK uups that was Welz
 
Ok, slightly updated theory: earn 200 rep on 3 sites and visit the site for 7 consecutive days
 
@Panda does association bonus count?
 
@Vickel Um probably not
 
2:32 AM
I'm not so sure how they could differenciate
 
@Vickel I mean like association bonus always hasn't counted towards brunhilde so
 
@Panda I see, right, I'm off 2:36am here /o
 
@Vickel good night!
 
@Panda It's morning for me :-)
 
@U9-Forward good morning then!
 
2:40 AM
@Panda Lol, 10:40 AM, lol :-)
Lol, three "Lol"s in two chat comments :-)
 
@Panda Any 3 sites or only top 3 sites?
 
@U9-Forward :)
@NogShine I don't think it's top 3
any 3 will do
 
@Panda :D
 
3:05 AM
@Panda That trigger is specifically not correct. The discussion in here has shown at least two cases where it isn't.
2 hours ago, by Riker
welp I came back in to say that waffles is NOT 15 comments on the same post, since I've tried that and no bueno
1 hour ago, by CalvT
@WELZ Natty has the Waffles hat, so your tag thing could be correct
1 hour ago, by CalvT
Natty never posts more than one comment on a post
 
@Catija ah, I missed that, rolled it back (again)
 
:D
 
I got Catija hat on 4 sites \o/
 
@AnkitSharma whoa congrats! just wondering, how many days of consecutive visit do you have on all 4 sites?
 
on 3 I was quite frequent but not on travel
 
3:17 AM
@AnkitSharma oh weird, looks like it's not consecutive days
 
maybe 200 rep
 
@AnkitSharma there's some other criteria apart from that; quite a lot of users got 200 rep on 3 sites but no hat
 
I got on 4 so it's 3+?
 
Yea it's 3+
 
When will we figure out
Clean-Up Duty
 
3:22 AM
@AnkitSharma "in time, maybe long time but in time"
 
@AnkitSharma probably not anytime soon
@David yea that
 
@David lol
 
@AnkitSharma did you get the reference?
 
no
Google say A Star is born
 
From the animated lego ninjago series Sensei wu's sage advice.
 
3:27 AM
ohh
not seen
 
had no idea what episode, but there it is.
crazy what is just a few searches away.
 
nice
 
@AnkitSharma Gets ready to say recurring meme on SE :P
 
O.o
::confused::
 
@AnkitSharma I should gain some rep for getting the hat. It is possible if my new answer gets votes.
 
3:39 AM
hmm
 
@AnkitSharma 6-8 weeks. :P
 
@David looks intersting
 
3:54 AM
One interesting trend I observed is that those who got Elisa Doolots all have at least 1200 on one site and 200 on 2 other sites.
But that doesn’t explain why everyone got the hat after 7 days.
 
@Panda really? 1200? hmm
 
@David Yea, just 1 site with 1200 rep and you’ll receive it on any site with 200 rep
 
@Panda Probably because they visited three sites for a week.
Did anyone earn Silencium yet?
 
@NogShine doesn’t seem to need consecutive visits at all
@NogShine I got it before the bug was resolved
 
@Panda Lucky you.
 
3:58 AM
@NogShine yah that's what I said.
 
:D
 
@Panda so all 4 of them with it have gotten 1200 on a site?
wow that's steep.
 
@David Yes, it’s 1421, 1272, 1453 and 1265 respectively
But it doesn’t quite explain why they got the hat today
Unless there’s some problem with the script and they fixed it so it started running today
 
@Panda possibly there are bugs every year. but I kind of think there must be something more.
Dont forget though it show up before the 7th day of the bash.
 
@David I also checked through those who got Brunhilde and most only got ~800 on one site
@David wait really?
Then it would confirm it
 
4:04 AM
@Panda YES! was about an hour and a half before the day change
 
The full trigger is “Get at least 1200 rep on a single site and further 200 rep on 2 additional sites”
 
odd time for a time triggered hat to appear.
 
@David ah some action must have triggered it
 
Monica edited the hat list at 2018-12-18 23:07:09Z so the hat appeared just a bit before that.
 
I see, I just can’t find an explanation for the timing it triggered
 
4:08 AM
really strange time for it to show up. will only know if the delay is/was a bug when the next guy gets it.
 
Only reasonable logic is that there’s a bug in script
Honestly the WB team should confirm any bugs in any of the hats
 
@Panda that happened to me with the mad hatter, I had the trigger spot on, just could not account for why we did not se the hat in the first 5 or whatever days it was. (it was a bug)
@Panda nah, its kind of part of the fun of it.
 
@David that’s rather frustrating
but yea I guess it’s fun
Anyway, none of the Brunhilde users seem to have close to 1200 just yet
So it might take a while for the next person to get it unless I missed out someone (which is possible)
 
in your looking when would the four that have the cake hat fulfilled the 1200 + 200 trigger?
pretty sure monica would of had it days ago.
 
@David for alecxe the timing is logical cause he reached 200 this morning (after already having 1200+200)
 
4:14 AM
this morning? but he only got the hat after trying the 200 on 3 sites idea.
I'm confused.
 
@David It’s 1200 + 200 + 200, a total of 3 sites
200 + 200 + 200 doesn’t work cause a lot of people would have gotten it
 
right. 1200 + 200 on 2
 
One must be >1200
 
@Panda exactly what I thought
wow.
good working theory.
 
The rest seems to be supposed to get it yesterday or the day before
Could also be 1000 cause I didn’t find anyone with 1000 rep on one site just yet
So I can’t check if 1000 works for the hat or not
 
4:17 AM
too much rep. I dont think I have ever gotten 1000 rep during the bash.
 
@David lol only possible with luck
 
no kidding. even hyper activity can not get you that kind of rep without some HNQs
 
@David haha, I might continue trying on Meta.SE
There’s slightly more than 10 days left for WB
 
wow that's going away fast
 
only 8 days have passed though
 
4:21 AM
I've gotten ~460 on meta. so long way to go.
and thats not counting the other 200 on some random site.
 
I got ~800 for Meta so I guess it’s still possible
 
4:52 AM
@David my working theory is: rep cap 6 times on one site and once on each of two others. That seems to fit the limited data we have.
 
interesting.
but six times wow.
 
If I earn some more rep on Worldbuilding I should be able to either prove or falsify the "200 rep" idea. I think it needs to be all on one day, not during WB in general.
Six for Catija's six sites, I guess?
 
@MonicaCellio Not really, alecxe repcapped 4 times and didn’t repcap on the other 2 sites where he got the hat
 
@Panda oh, only four repcaps there? Interesting. I capped on Writing and Workplace on the first day of Winterbash and earned the hat today, after capping on Meta for the sixth time since WB started.
 
@Panda I think it's any six sites to keep a fair playing field
 
4:57 AM
If it were six caps total, I would have gotten it two days ago.
Unless the hat just plain wasn't available before today, I guess.
 
@MonicaCellio I guess it’s still really likely that there was a bug in the hat script and it was just fixed yesterday
@CinCout wait wdym six sites?
 
@Panda ah.
I've only capped on three sites, for a total of 8 times during WB.
 
@Panda six times rep cap on any site, not just the ones Catija proposed
 
Oh wait, 9 times -- twice on Writing.
 
ah but again it doesn’t fit how alecxe got the hat
 
4:59 AM
@CinCout oh, yeah I wouldn't expect the site list to be artificially constrained.
I've got to drop off -- just saw I was being talked about, so came to share what I know.
 
@Panda you beat me to the answer on ELL.
 
Good time zone all!
 
@CinCout hahaha it was posted an hour ago and I decided to answer it
@MonicaCellio :)
 
@MonicaCellio bye
@Panda it is becoming competitive as SO
 
And people vote about as much... geeze... I've never seen so many 0 and 1 score questions.
 
5:03 AM
@Catija during WB?
 
No, on ELL.
The votes there are crummy.
 
@Catija oh yeah.
 
@CinCout Really? I joined the site less than a week ago and was wondering why there isn't much activity there lol ;)
 
more than half my answers have 1 or less votes there
 
I spend 4 days trying to get the 3 votes new user hat
 
5:05 AM
@Panda let's step up the game there ;)
 
There was only one vote on that question but you both thought to answer it... curious, why?
 
@Catija I saw it on the homepage on the top
 
@Catija I'm new to that site so I kinda answer anything I can for now
@CinCout haha it's more active after around UTC 10am I've observed
 
OK, so regardless of that, do you not think the question was worth upvoting? I know that not every question someone answers is a good question, so that's not what I'm focused on. ... many sites have a problem of not getting a lot of votes going, which makes the reputation a bit depressed...
So, I'm trying to get an idea of why people don't vote.
There's no wrong answer... :)
 
@Catija ah yes, sometimes I forgot to upvote after answering
 
5:08 AM
in this case, there was no research effort from the OP. I'd rather have downvoted if it was SO. But didn't want to discourage the user there
 
Generally people downvote if they're not gonna answer the question and they would leave right after downvoting
 
even the comment suggests to Google the term
 
@CinCout Well, it shows a general understanding of another definition of "cutting in"... and it's by far the most common.
 
If someone wants to answer it, they will do so straight away and sometimes they'll forget to upvote it
 
@Panda Sure. I've had that problem myself. ... I'm notoriously bad at voting. I could do a study on voting culture of myself. ;)
 
5:10 AM
@Panda this is so true
 
@Catija haha tbh though it's also worth researching why people love to downvote more than upvote posts
 
@Panda Ah, but they don't. :) People complain about downvotes, particularly on SO, but people are, in general, quite reticent to downvote.
 
@Catija I would think otherwise though; honestly speaking, votes don't necessary represent the quality of a post, especially answers
I've quite a few instances where I didn't think my answer was good but it was upvoted tens of times
Yet when I think my answer's good, it's downvoted because sometimes someone doesn't agree with it
 
Votes are funny. There's the ideal meaning - the one people largely espouse as what they intend when they vote on stuff... the reasons indicated in the hover text for the up and down arrows... and then there's all the other reasons. "This is funny", "This person is famous", "This person sux!", "This is a stupid question, how could they not know the answer to it"...
 
@Panda I present to you the perfect example: stackoverflow.com/a/28492674/2912665
 
5:14 AM
@CinCout LOL
@Catija Exactly, I agree
 
Part of why I vote so infrequently is that, unless I absolutely know the answer is correct, I'm less likely to vote. Many people vote because an answer "sounds good" or "sounds correct"... On sites like SO it's possible to actually verify it... but I can't verify that an answer on Cooking works unless I actually buy the ingredients and test it... so I have to make a judgement call.
 
@Catija on sites like cooking where you can't verify stuff right away, doesn't intuition come into picture?
 
@Catija ah yes, that's another reason why people don't vote; in other cases, long and early answers tend to get voted up
 
Sure. But intuition != reality. Someone could say, "add oil to your pasta water, it will keep the pasta from sticking"... lots of people believe that. It sounds good... oil is slippery and all... but they forget that oil and water don't mix. The oil's just going to float on the top and not actually coat the pasta. It's a bad answer that sounds good on the surface.
 
@Catija yep that's quite site-specific. also, sites like workplace do tend to receive upvotes based on intuition since some answer can't exactly be verified
 
5:21 AM
That's where citations come in... and discerning good and bad sources. On a site like SO, it's not really as necessary to prove something works - anyone can just test it and see that it does... but on sites like Cooking or TWP or, heaven forbid, IPS... you need something to back up your answer. :) That's why we have the Good subjective blog post from all that time ago.
 
@Catija I agree, personally I feel that the SE model of rep still works pretty well
@Catija On an unrelated note, are you able to confirm whether there were any bugs in the Elisa Doolots trigger ;-)
 
No bugs.
 
@Catija I see, thanks
that sure make the hat baffling
 
@Panda quite a few were baffling this year
 
... I think y'all give us a lot of credit... I see some of the ideas y'all have for what the triggers might be and they make me think "wow, that'd be a really specific trigger". :D
 
5:28 AM
figuring out the triggers to Clean Up Duty and Waffles wasn't easy at all
 
@CinCout I agree, but the timing of Elisa Doolots makes it extra baffling
@CinCout I thought Waffles' wrong
 
@NogShine yes
 
not to forget the Propeller hat and Rubbery Duck
 
@Panda I didn't get hat for posting 15 comments..
 
@Catija lol I thought this year's hats were of an acceptable difficulty until Elisa Doolots entered the picture
@coder-croc yea that's rather weird too, cause I got it right after my 15th comment
 
5:30 AM
Oh, don't get me wrong, getting my hat isn't easy... I probably won't get it myself...
 
@Catija yea I've noticed that :(
 
@Catija it's yours anyway :)
 
I have a screenshot of it, so I could totally confuse you all by faking it. :P
... but I won't do that.
 
hahah
 
lol
No one can explain why it was awarded 7 days into WB
 
5:35 AM
Well, give it some time and think about it. I think you'll figure it out... and Waffles... maybe not Clean-up... but, we'll see.
 
@Catija already have the clean up :D definitely related to edits, but the specifics aren't clear at the moment
 
@Catija haha I sure hope so, Elisa Doolots could probably be figured out once more people get the hat
Waffles could possibly 15 comments + 15 of some other action or 15 comments on own post
 
@Panda Next year, I'll be sure we pick some really arbitrary ones like that... clearly figuring them out is more fun than actually having them. ;)
 
@Catija definitely. this chat room is the best part of WB
 
@Catija lol, that'll be more fun, but also possibly encouraging a lot of weird actions on the site :(
 
5:43 AM
It's really different to know all of the stuff and see what y'all are doing in that. Don't forget (as is the case with Waffles) y'all are forcing things because you know a way to get the hats... but that doesn't mean they're the only ways. If it were me, I'd want to know the actual trigger over what happens to work. :)
Anyway, it's nearly midnight. Toodles!
 
@Catija good night
 
@Catija I guess we could feedback on a meta post sometime after WB ends, good night!
 
@Panda that sounds like a plan
 
@CinCout There's one every year I think, along the lines of what do you want to see in next year's WB
 
@Panda but I'd like to see one which has the kind of feedback that Catija was giving here
 
6:09 AM
@CinCout oh me too, a WB review would be great
 
 
1 hour later…
7:16 AM
Interesting theories about the Elisa hat. If the trigger is really something like 1200/200/200, I might be able to test it soon. I already have one 1200+ and one 200+. The third is currently at 151, so I'll see if I can find some questions to answer.
 
7:30 AM
@Eran good luck!
 
thanks
 
8:01 AM
1200 O.o
I doubt
 
Who knows... if this M&TV question stays in the HNQ...
 
lol
@Mithrandir it outperformed Sailor Moon question too
 
I repcapped twice in a row already from it.
And 50 rep today already.
 
nice
Sailor Moon is already out
Anyways I get no hat out of it and rep is bleh
I already have more then enough
Maybe I need to do sacrifice to HAT GODS
 
8:22 AM
Has anyone suggested that this new hat may be for getting 20 hats in one site?
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ I have 11 in bricks.se
10 before I got it
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Nah, that’s way too easy chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48132758#48132758
 
20 hats ain't easy.
 
@Panda But I got 4 without even trying
 
@Mithrandir that’s true I take it back
but it’s unlikely to be that trigger
 
8:31 AM
@Panda I am still waiting fro your movies.se posts ;)
 
@AnkitSharma LOL I’ve looked through the questions and couldn’t answer much so I changed my mind and went to ELL instead 😂
 
sad
You could have asked
 
haha
 
Something like mith did
44
Q: Why doesn't "Ralph Breaks the Internet" have "wreck" in the title?

MithrandirThe sequel to Wreck-It Ralph is called Ralph Breaks the Internet. In it, Ralph and Venellope travel to the Internet to buy a replacement controller for Sugar Rush. Why is it called Ralph Breaks the Internet, though? Wouldn't it make more sense to name it Ralph Wrecks the Internet? I'm aware tha...

 
@Panda ELL is also one of my 3 Brunhilde sites. Already got 151 there (if I get to 200 we'll see about that theory of yours, since I already have enough on SO and MSE).
 
8:35 AM
@Eran that’d be great
although I’m not so sure of my theory after catija said that there’s no bug in the hat
cause Monica would have received the hat 4 days ago
@AnkitSharma 44 upvotes WOW
 
@AnkitSharma thanks! I’ll join movies if the new hat requires more rep lol
 
hehhehe
I am sure Catija hat have something to do with rep
 
@AnkitSharma yea I really hate hats that require a large amount of rep
 
I got on 4 site and only wanted it on 2 (movies.se and bricks.se), so will not try to figure it out anymore as not really needed
 
8:45 AM
@AnkitSharma give me 2 of them ;)
 
On Travel.se I only made one post + accept and 4 edit and still got it
That post was in HNQ and got too much attention and attracted mod lock
62
Q: Do I have to hide anything related to the swastika while travelling to the USA?

Ankit SharmaSwastika is religious symbol in India and many countries don't find it offensive but due to Nazi connections, will a traveler will get in trouble if he carries anything with the swastika symbol in the USA? Like a T-shirt, Tattoo or religious book with that logo? Do I need to hide it, or avoid eve...

So you can try investigating there
 
@AnkitSharma I still guess it’s different criteria for the first site and then 200 rep on 2 more sites
 
9:06 AM
Well, whoever serially upvoted my on ELL, it worked! I reached 201 rep on that site and got the hat!
Thanks!
 
@Eran Lol congrats!
So it seems like my theory still stands
 
I got it on all three sites in which I got high rep during WB (SO, MSE & ELL)
 
@Eran define high
and congrats
 
@Eran I’m still not sure if there’s anything to do with rep capping
 
@Panda though we don't know how high it should be for the highest one
 
9:08 AM
@Eran Yep what’s yours?
 
@Panda I only capped on SO (multipe times), never on MSE or ELL
 
@Eran I’ll still assume 1000+ on the first site and 200 on two more sites. I’m still ~150 short of 1000 on Meta.SE :(
 
ELL: 201, MSE: 261, SO: 1505
 
wow SO’s high
 
I've capped multiple times on two sites and once on a third.
No Cat hat.
 
9:16 AM
@David MSE: 1245, Puzzling: 345, EL&U: 633, ELL: 240 (until today 12am, approx. when I got the hat(s)).
I only capped on MSE and EL&U, so that doesn't come into play here.
 
It’s either 1200+ on 1 site and 200+ on 2 more sites OR repcap ~5 times on 1 site and 200+ on 2 more sites (no need rep cap)
1st site could be 1000+
 
@Mithrandir how much total rep did you get on each of those sites since WB started?
We definitely know that the final trigger for the hat is 200 rep on the 3rd site. I got it immediately after reaching 200 (or actually 201) on ELL.
 
@Eran or 1200 rep on the 1st site, as in my case.
 
I can pretty much confirm you’ll need 200 rep on the 2nd & 3rd site
It’s the 1st site that’s I’m not sure. It’s either 1000+ or 1200+
 
should be 1200 since the hat suggestion had 6 sites. so 6 * 200 = 1200
 
9:25 AM
1
Q: What does the trigger for It Ain't Easy Being Cheesy actually mean?

hatIt Ain't Easy Being Cheesy Wear 6 hats, changing hats here in 6 days Does this mean wearing six hats across the network, but keeping one hat on for six days? Does it mean wearing six hats in six days on a particular site? Something else?

 
or maybe the total rep needs to be 1200 across 3 different sites
 
@CinCout I see, I couldn’t find anyone with 1000 (with it without the hat) so I can’t confirm it
@CinCout nah, it’s not, the 2nd & 3rd site’s 200 rep; all users with the hat has 200 rep on the 2nd & 3rd
 
@Panda then it is pretty much 1200 + 200 + 200
 
@CinCout I think so unless there’s some arbitrary criteria such as how many rep caps
 
@Eran Remind me what date I'm looking from?
December 12?
 
9:34 AM
@Mithrandir Yea Dec 12
 
SFF - 469, M&TV - 510, MSE - 874
 
@Mithrandir yes
@Mithrandir OK, so you should try to reach 1000 in one of them. If it doesn't help, try 1200
 
Alright then... time to stalk MSE again...
 

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