The 2nd Monitor

Gustavo6046

17:00

Or it is pig beat is beef

Mat's Mug

@Mast we don't have community ads

Mast

@Mat'sMug I know.

But the candidates aren't many.

Mat's Mug

we'll fix that shortly :)

the size is changing

Mast

20

Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

Now that your community has entered into design independent graduation, I can co-opt this existing thread and turn it into an official Community Ads thread. Please note that there have been some changes to the requirements for ads. What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are c...

Gustavo6046

Do you know what adds to ad? Code::Blocks and KompoZer.

Mast

17:02

@Gustavo6046 Feel free to propose them, but I don't think they're going to make it.

@Gustavo6046 Read the question first, thoroughly.

@Mat'sMug Did you see my mug yet?

Mat's Mug

huh?

where?

Mast

4 hours ago, by Mast

Mat's Mug

hmm

looks stretched

Quill

except the squashed part, it looks cool

Mast

Yea, it's a first prototype.

Quill

17:04

also should you be worried about using logos that are SE property?

like I don't really know much about it but still

Mast

Yes and no.

Mat's Mug

just don't go and sell it

Quill

Right, can't make a profit

Mast

@Mat'sMug Exactly.

Quill

In that case let me go and 3D print the logo and mail you all one

Zak

17:06

NARL, but, using their IP without their permission leaves you open to being sued. So, all you have to do is not do something that'll make them want to sue you.

Mast

@Zak Yep. So don't do anything stupid.

I'm pretty sure they're not going to sue for this, especially since I'm not even close to the USA.

Zak

They could sue you for ordering your own. But they probably wouldn't. You start organising/distributing them, with or without profit, and they just might.

Mat's Mug

crap, all I have is this

Mast

@Zak So don't distribute them. Just distribute the information required to make/get/buy one.

Quill

I think if you were going to distribute them, they'd rather you contact them and let them sort it

Mat's Mug

17:08

Zak

@Mast That's how I'd do it

Mat's Mug

only got saved because it's on GitHub

maybe I have the base .pdn on my laptop

Quill

@Mat'sMug are community ads for tags acceptable?

Mast

@Quill They are if they are community projects.

Quill

site tags

Mast

17:09

The tag is irrelevant.

Quill

also @SimonForsberg where's Duga's community ad?

Mat's Mug

not sure why @Duga would need an ad though

Quill

well idk

I guess people could go to take a look at what Duga is, go to contribute

I mean she's active on how many sites, four or five?

Gustavo6046

I made the Code::Blocks ad image, do you guys want me to show it?

Quill

sure

Gustavo6046

17:12

Mast

@Gustavo6046 Did you read the question?

You didn't read the question.

Gustavo6046

Yup, the image rules.

Mat's Mug

and part about the relevancy of the actual ads?

Quill

They should be relevant to reviewing code

I should add one about PEP8

Gustavo6046

Code::Blocks eases sifting through code.

It highlightes the code, let's the user open and close braced if's and functions, i.e. it's how I'll review and how many people should review.

Mast

17:14

@Gustavo6046 That last part is utter bull, in all fairness.

People should review how they want to review.

Regardless of what IDE they use, if any.

Quill

if we used the community github page more we could add one for that too

Mast

@Quill Isn't that page still looking for a purpose?

Mat's Mug

^

Simon Forsberg

@Quill Nowhere? Also, I'm definitely not a graphic designer. I was considering an ad for Brainduck as well, but I think there's not that many people who would be interested in Brainfuck :) I think the same probably applies to @Duga.

Quill

Fair enough @SimonForsberg

Mat's Mug

17:16

What's Brainduck anyway? an OSS BF IDE?

Simon Forsberg

@Quill She's reading SO comments, posting to CR + Programmers + Software Recs.

Mast

43

A: Open Source Advertising - Sidebar - 1H 2014

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug yup

Quill

three posting, four reading. thanks for clarifying @Simon

Gustavo6046

I use GIMP very well. Let me help sirs.

Simon Forsberg

17:17

Thanks but no thanks, @Gustavo6046.

Quill

why is tough questions, smart answers not on the tshirt thread

Mat's Mug

@SimonForsberg you'd be surprised, I'm sure many people are interested in contributing to build an IDE, regardless of the language

Gustavo6046

@Mat'sMug I always though Brainduck was a language.

Quill

@Mat'sMug writing Python...?

Mat's Mug

@Quill good question. make it happen!

not my ad

Simon Forsberg

17:18

@Quill well... she's not really reading anything on the other sites

Gustavo6046

Wow it's time for me to lunch guys...

Hosch250

I am not convinced that Code Review should promote or condone the eating of elephants. — 200_success ♦ Jul 20 '15 at 0:02

Gustavo6046

in 2 mins

Mat's Mug

we ran a "contest" a while back on our meta to determine what ad would be posted on other sites' community ads thread

Quill

@SimonForsberg my words are failing me, I understand what you mean

Phrancis

17:19

@Gustavo6046 This isn't Facebook, please remember that

3

Gustavo6046

it means I'll have to go soon

Mat's Mug

eh, "TFL" does it

Simon Forsberg

@Gustavo6046 Brainfuck is the language, Brainduck is my IDE for it

Gustavo6046

:I

Someone said something...

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug I think people are interested in making an IDE, but not interested in Brainfuck.

Mat's Mug

17:21

the actual language is a very very small part of making an IDE

Phrancis

The people on PPCG like Brainfuck, but it is indeed a play/learn/fun language

Mat's Mug

I like WhiteSpace more I think

you get an actual heap

Gustavo6046

ok, TFL now

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug You make an ad for me, I'll be happy to put it up

Please don't make the language name even worse than it already is, @Gustavo6046

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg if you want an ad I can whip one up fairly quickly, the question is: What do you want it to say?

Simon Forsberg

17:23

@Phrancis if banging your head against the wall counts as fun...

5

Phrancis

lol

Mat's Mug

"Real languages need a real IDE"?

Quill

0

A: Let's pick t-shirt tagline!

Tough questions, Smart answers From the old community ad:

Simon Forsberg

@Phrancis ummm... "Out with the f*ck in with the duck"? No, I don't know..

Mat's Mug

@SimonForsberg uh, no

lol

Simon Forsberg

17:26

Exactly... I also didn't like mine

Quill

Even esoteric languages deserve good dev environments

Simon Forsberg

that's a good one, @Quill

Hosch250

@SimonForsberg The exclusive BF IDE.

Simon Forsberg

Or something like "Making the world's hardest language a million times easier"

Quill

or s/dev environments/IDEs

Simon Forsberg

17:28

@Hosch250 there are plenty of BF IDEs

Hosch250

Are there? I thought they were just interpreters.

Mat's Mug

what's different about that one?

@Hosch250 your google-fu needs training ;-)

Quill

I think I have google-fu on my CV

Hosch250

@Mat'sMug I don't look up things I'm not interested in.

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Phrancis

@SimonForsberg what are a few characters that you would commonly see at the end of a BF program? (like 3-4 chars)

Duga

17:32

Hello, I would suggest removing the question since this site is not about reviewing code that works. There is a different website for this - codereview.stackexchage.com — Alex 36 secs ago

Simon Forsberg

@Phrancis ] is the most common one I believe

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis >>.]

Simon Forsberg

or .

@Mat'sMug I'd more say .>>]

or .>-]

Duga

his may be a good question for Code Review, so long as: (A) the code works, and (B) it's not hypothetical or incomplete in any way. Please read the on-topic guide before posting, if you choose to go to Code Review. If you have any questions or concerns, join us at our CR Help Desk. — Quill 5 secs ago

Mat's Mug

why shift after output? oh, da loop.. nevermind.

Simon Forsberg

17:33

@Mat'sMug I'm happy to hear that you know enough about Brainfuck that you agree that this actually makes sense :)

Mat's Mug

:)

sounds inefficient though, it leaves a shift operation dangling for nothing at the end of the loop

Phrancis

4

Mat's Mug

love the tagline, but I'd add a "contribute!" link or something

Simon Forsberg

@Phrancis lol

Phrancis

(mind the borders, those would not be visible)

Simon Forsberg

17:36

@Mat'sMug dangling at the end of the loop? What do you mean?

Mat's Mug

output,shift,end - there should be a way to make it end with output,end

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug but then the loop condition is the same as the value you outputted, which is probably not what you want

Mat's Mug

this is why I don't BF

@Quill might want to make an ad for the CR Help Desk chatroom

Phrancis

Not yet^^

Quill

yeah, we haven't decided whether it's going to be a thing yet

by we I mean meta

Mat's Mug

17:39

if it's going to be a thing, I mean

anyway, new ad size will be 300x250

Simon Forsberg

@Phrancis Maybe "Simple languages needs complicated IDEs"

(the language design is simple, but making something in it is terribly hard)

Quill

even complicated languages need complicated IDEs works too

Simon Forsberg

"difficult languages needs powerful IDEs"?

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg ^^ How's that for a start? (yes, I copied the end of your FizzBuzz program)

Simon Forsberg

it's an okay start

although [-]<<< should perhaps be something like [-]+++ or at least some > in there

and I'm not a super-big fan of that tagline

Phrancis

17:45

Okay

Simon Forsberg

because [-]<<< looks like it's the program beginning, and then < makes no sense

Phrancis

Here is the text, just change it how you will and paste it back:

[-]<<< Your head
.>>> and your wall
+[-<+]- will
<<] thank you

Mat's Mug

I like the tagline

StackExchange

1

Q: Renaming the "I'm having this problem too" Low Quality flag reason

When voting on the Low Quality Queue, you can see this deletion reason:: This is more of a reason suited to Stack Overflow. Perhaps we could change it?

bug close-reasons

Phrancis

(note I moved the non-BF part to all be on the right of the BF)

Simon Forsberg

17:49

Code: [->-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<] or is that too much BF code?

Phrancis

I can make it fit

Simon Forsberg

Tagline: "Difficult languages needs powerful IDEs"

Phrancis

I like that^

@SimonForsberg Can you break it down over a few lines, say 4-5?

Mat's Mug

Now make a BF program that outputs the project's GitHub URL and put the program in the background in a light shade of gray

Simon Forsberg

That BF code is a "divmod" algoirthm btw, calculating a / b and a % b at the same time. Incredibly useful.

Phrancis

17:51

Good idea Mug

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug that might be a bit too long BF code...

SirPython

It might be interesting to have some purposely bad BF code that is marked up based on the IDE's recommendations.

Simon Forsberg

[->-[>+>>]
>[+[-<+>]
>+>>]
<<<<<]

How's that, @Phrancis?

Mat's Mug

@SimonForsberg just for a stylish background I'd say

Phrancis

Danke

Mat's Mug

17:53

@Phrancis make it 300x250

Phrancis

[->-[>+>>] Difficult
>[+[-<+>]  languages
>+>>]      need
<<<<<]     powerful IDEs

@Mat'sMug OK

Oh damn that's a lot wider

Simon Forsberg

+++++[->+++++++++++++++++++
    >++++++++
    >+++++++++++++++++++++
    >++++++++++++
    >++++++++++++++++++++++
<<<<<]>+++++++++>+++++++>++++++>++++++
>+++++<<<<.>>>>..<<.>>-.<.<<..<-.++.>>>>+.
<<<<-.>>>>+.<<<<------.>-.<+.>>-.--.<+.<---------.
>>++.--.----.>>--.<<<.>>++++++++.>-.<<<<+++++++.
>>.>>----.<<<<+++.>>>>+++++++.<<<<-.>>++.

Hosch250

Make an ad for the help center.

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug that's the code to output the URL ^^

[->-[>+>>]
>[Difficult +[-<+>]
languages >+>>]
need <<<<<]
powerful IDEs

@Phrancis is using another line acceptable?

feel free to change the positioning of the BF code, the line breaks doesn't matter

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg Sure

[->-[>+    Difficult
   >>]     languages
>[+[-<+>]  need
>+>>]      powerful
<<<<<]     IDEs

How's that^

Simon Forsberg

17:58

looks okay to me

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Get Word Doc from SQL table, save temp file, edit that file, save new doc in a different table

I have Frankensteined the crap out of this method and just wanted to make sure of two things. I'd like to make sure that this is the best route to take. If it isn't, I would welcome with open arms an alternative. I don't typically use SQL in the code behind. I always use it in the markup. So I ...

c# sql asp.net sql-server

Mat's Mug

> I have Frankensteined the crap out of this method

lol

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg ^^ how would you want the text and stuff formatted?

Simon Forsberg

I don't have any opinions about that one way or another

Phrancis

okay

RubberDuck

18:05

I like the tag line.

Captain Obvious

1

Q: Pretty printing degrees input to radians

I'm mostly concerned about edge cases, although I think I dealt with them all. Improvements on code quality would also be much appreciated. /* printRadian(90) -> π/2 printRadian(-90) -> -π/2 printRadian(180) -> π printRadian(-180) -> -π printRadian(270) -> 2π/2 */ function p...

javascript strings

Gustavo6046

18:17

back

was a very good lunch but now I must return

Anyone?

Dan Pantry

bleh

I can't quote stuff

Captain Obvious

-2

Q: Input Filtering

I created a function for adding some objects to a text file but i would like to filter the input so that when its name i wont be able to enter numbers, when its email i have to enter the "@" and as well telephone and birthdate should be numbers. Any ideas? string takeInRec() { cout << "Enter you...

c++

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg Do you want a small border around the ad?

Simon Forsberg

18:32

@Phrancis maybe. don't know. I would like to see the ad being filled up with something more graphical though, not just text, but not sure what that could be

Phrancis

2

Duga

Since you are merely asking for advice on how to stylistically improve your code, you may consider moving your question to codereview.stackexchange.com Other than that, I would advice you to improve the signal/noise ratio in your code examples. I see a lot of stuff unrelated to your problem while it remains unclear where getShapes() actually gets its data from (i.e. where is the variable shapes defined?). — morido 16 secs ago

Phrancis

(pink border is not part of the actual image)

Simon Forsberg

@Phrancis I like it

but I don't like the font at the top and bottom

Phrancis

OK, I have hundreds of fonts, do you have any suggestion?

Simon Forsberg

18:36

maybe space it up a little bit at the top? (like more like a logo or something) And use some other font at bottom

some non-serif font

Zak

@Gustavo6046 Just going to reiterate this:

yesterday, by Zak

@Gustavo6046 Pro tip, a constant stream of comments about what you're doing/thinking/whatever right now is rarely something that other people will find funny/interesting/informative.

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis RD uses SHOWCASE

Hosch250

What's the standard non-serif font for web?

Mat's Mug

No idea

Hosch250

I used to know...

Arial, Helvetica, MS Trebuchet, and Verdana.

Mat's Mug

18:44

Really?

Right

Hosch250

Tahoma is common too.

Mat's Mug

Arial is just lame though

Hosch250

Check them out here: w3schools.com/cssref/css_websafe_fonts.asp

Mat's Mug

Yeah Tahoma wins over Arial. I'm using it for my SSRS reports at work

Hosch250

I like Arial and MS Trebuchet.

I dislike Tahoma.

Mat's Mug

18:46

@SimonForsberg Papyrus? Comic Sans?

Simon Forsberg

#no-exact-opinion

Mat's Mug

I used to like using IMPACT or ARIAL BLACK for these things. I went with SHOWCASE for RD because it looked more... bubbly

Is the emphasis more on the brain or on the duck?

Simon Forsberg

hmm.... I guess the emphasis is on the similarity between "Brainfuck" and "Brainduck"

It looks like I might have @Mat'sMug to thank for the name "Brainduck":

in VBA Rubberducking, Mar 1 '15 at 19:47, by Mat's Mug

writing BrainDuck?

that's the first time "BrainDuck" was written on SE chat

Caridorc

I was writing an answer to a Javascript question and found out that javascript is perfectly happy with dividing a number by a function!

>>> function foo() {}
undefined
>>> 1 / foo
NaN

This is madness...

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Simon Forsberg

19:02

Well... in a way I'm with JavaScript on this one, 1/foo is definitely not a number.

But this also makes me happy to use a statically typed language where something like that would make the compiler yell at me

skiwi

@Phrancis (Alternatively you could also consider using an easier language)

Zak

19:13

Top 3 taglines are now at 22, 21, 20 votes

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Towers of Hanoi redux

Inspired by Mayur Kulkarni's question this morning, I decided to post some code for the classic Towers of Hanoi problem, but this time in C++. Since this is fairly "textbook" kind of task, all suggestions are welcome. #include <iostream> #include <vector> #include <string> #include <iterator> c...

c++

rolfl

Suddenly, a Jerry appears ^^^ ;-)

Never mind, I see it's not so sudden.

Gustavo6046

19:31

I like Comic Sans and Lato.

Simon Forsberg

@skiwi Sssh!

@rolfl Suddenly, a Monkey appears ^^^ ;-)

EBrown

@Mat'sMug Blasphemy! Arial is amazing.

Mast

@SimonForsberg One of the good things about learning C as a first language.

Simon Forsberg

Or... umm... I was almost going to say Java, but I mean Delphi of course

but yeah, any language with a decent compiler

Vogel612

@SimonForsberg does haskell count then?

Simon Forsberg

19:42

I wonder if there's any programmer out there that learned Brainfuck as the first language.

skiwi

Probably not MSL then...

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 I guess it does. Even though functional programming is very different from imperative programming

Vogel612

it's yelling at you, but I have serious problems understanding what it wants from me :/

Simon Forsberg

Yup, that I also tend to have...

Mast

That's what I thought first couple of times I got stack traces thrown at me. Got used to it.

Simon Forsberg

19:44

although when writing my most recent Haskell question, I actually did manage to understand what it wanted me

EBrown

I'm slowly beginning to understand what f# wants from me.

And apparently it wants a lot.

skiwi

@EBrown It wants your brains

EBrown

I'm still having issues with thinking functionally.

But, I'm getting better at it.

I just have to remind myself that functions have exactly one input, and exactly one output.

(Which explains currying.)

Zak

currying?

Vogel612

it's a little "strange" concept, but that's how you build functions with multiple arguments

Caridorc

19:58

Applying a function with n arguments to n - 1 arguments creates another function

@Zak it is no sorcery really, even Python has it

3

skiwi

wat

This is like saying the opposite of zero is aero because z is the last letter and a is the first letter. — Matt Samuel 14 hours ago

Vogel612

@Caridorc isn't that an oxymoron?

Caridorc

@Vogel612 I mean that even Python, a beginner friendly language has it, so it cannot be esoteric

Mast

@Caridorc Holy carp, you mean to say people actually use that magic?

Caridorc

@Mast Do you mean in Python or in Haskell?

Duga

20:10

possible answer invalidation by whytheq on question by whytheq: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/116253/revisions

skiwi

It would be useful, but it definitely needs language-support to make it maintainable

Vogel612

@Duga rolledback and commented

Mast

@Caridorc Python.

Vogel612

@skiwi languages that support first class functions should also support currying

if they don't implementation becomes either trivial through desugaring or nontrivial because you have to mess around with closures

JS supports it natively btw.

function (arg0, arg1){ ... }.curry(argument)(anotherArgument);

Caridorc

@Mast not extensively, but each powerful feature has its usage.

Vogel612

20:14

no wait it doesnt...

Mast

@Caridorc Of-course, now I'm thinking what that usage would be in Python where a more straight-forward variation isn't around.

Hi @NiallC.

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Using nested if statements to select textfield for update of associated label

So I have written a very simple program using a cocoa pods library to calculate the distance between different cities. Here is what the UI looks like: So I have a textfield on top for entry of starting location, and then four other textfields for destination city input. I would like to have th...

objective-c ios

Caridorc

@Mast most commonly, list comprehension is better then map with a partially applied function

:) I am over 15.000 rep now!

Hosch250

Congrats.

Mast

@Caridorc Congrats!

Caridorc

20:27

@Mast well, congrats to everyone really, when I started using this site I was a very beginner programmer, and it tough me so much...

Mast

:-)

Hosch250

Holy smokes, I named a new project VSDiagnostics.VisualBasic.

Now VS is trying to compile the bloody thing as Visual Basic.

The proj file is a .csproj...

skiwi

lol ^^

Hosch250

Hmm, it seems I might have accidentally changed the compiler in the .csproj.

Wow. That is crazy. Now I know how to freak my colleagues out at work.

Yeah, I changed the compiler in the .csproj.

skiwi

@Mat'sMug We could also try to make a language-independent IDE ^^

Though if we're writing it in a particular language it looks like we are favoring that one :/

Mast

20:42

@skiwi Write it in Brainfuck and nobody will think so.

skiwi

No, then they will just plain think we're crazy :D

2

10

Q: Python for loop and iterating through lists

Here is a snippet of code which gives the output: 0 1 2 2. I had expected the output 3 3 3 3 since a[-1] accesses the number 3 in the list. The explanation given online says "The value of a[-1] changes in each iteration" but I don't quite understand how or why. Any explanations would be great! a...

python for-loop indexing

This is a great way to create bugs

RoboSanta

21:00

Ripe zombie; open question with answers, at least one answer having score 0, no answer having score > 0: A better way to multiply and add big numbers represented with strings javascript integer

Captain Obvious

0

Q: structure and coherence when writing- javascript

I have a JS file that creates an object with notes from a music scale when given a key (aka tonic/ note). The code works and does what I want it to do. I need a critique on the way it's written, what could be made better, quality of code- even if it's indentation. please. I've never written code ...

javascript algorithm sorting

0

Q: Converting an angle in degrees to a pretty string representing it in radians

Given an angle in degrees, output a pretty string representation of its value in radians as a fraction. Where pretty means: Simplified as much as possible. With no unnecessary ones. Using the Unicode character that represents pi: π With a single minus in front if negative (a minus at the denom...

python python-3.x formatting

Zak

21:30

@Mat'sMug Finally in 1st place :p

22

A: Let's pick t-shirt tagline!

Because all code can be improved. Except Jon Skeet's

Hosch250

21:58

What a rotten pity this stopped 2 votes away: meta.codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/6186/…

EBrown

@Hosch250 ?

Gave it a vote.

Hosch250

It is now one vote away from 100 and the gold question badge.

Duga

22:45

possible answer invalidation by Alex on question by Alex: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/115564/revisions

Vogel612

@Duga rolled back...

Quill

monking

TanMath

hey @Quill

Hosch250

Hey, @TanMath.

TanMath

hello!

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