The 2nd Monitor

8:14 PM

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Here is yet another piece of Rubberduck code, this time the nasty ProcedureNotUsedInspection class, whose role is to identify all procedures that are never called anywhere, and to issue a ProcedureNotUsedInspectionResult for each one. Here's the code: using System.Collections.Generic; using Sys...

Hosch250

@Mat'sMug You around?

Hi

Hi

@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ ıɥ

How's it going?

8:18 PM

@Hosch250 Some people star strange things.

nhgrif

Did I miss the star-fest?

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

whistles

There, no more star

Simon André Forsberg

@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ whistles

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

Really... miniAudicle is asking me to force-quit... bleh

Hosch250

@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ Is it a feasible option to perma-quit?

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

8:22 PM

I accidentally left the VM running for over 1114 minutes

SirPython

@Hosch250 I didn't know you could reply to yourself.

Hosch250

@SirPython You sure can.

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

Probably longer but it has stopped there

Hosch250

Didn't I just prove it?

SirPython

Yes, you did.

Jeroen Vannevel

8:24 PM

Just entered my TODO list from Trello into YouTRACK

Now I'm too tired to do any actual developing

Hosch250

@JeroenVannevel Since @Mat'sMug isn't replying, could I ask you a question?

Jeroen Vannevel

I will happily be your second choice

Hosch250

What is the benefit, if any, of doing this:

nhgrif

The neat thing about developing ERP software is that your ERP software has a "Project Planning" module, and you just use that to track programmer tasks...

Hosch250

        private bool IsIgnoredProcedure(Declarations declarations, Declaration declaration, IEnumerable<Declaration> handlers)
        {
            var result =
                declaration.DeclarationType != DeclarationType.Procedure
                || handlers.Contains(declaration)
                || declaration.References.Any()
                || IsPublicModuleMember(declarations, declaration)
                || IsClassLifeCycleHandler(declarations, declaration)
                || IsInterfaceMember(declarations, declaration);

nhgrif

8:25 PM

Doing what?

Hosch250

Instead of just returning the boolean condition like this:

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

Hosch250

        private bool IsIgnoredProcedure(Declarations declarations, Declaration declaration, IEnumerable<Declaration> handlers)
        {
            return declaration.DeclarationType != DeclarationType.Procedure
                || handlers.Contains(declaration)
                || declaration.References.Any()
                || IsPublicModuleMember(declarations, declaration)
                || IsClassLifeCycleHandler(declarations, declaration)
                || IsInterfaceMember(declarations, declaration);

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

Ugh. It's just hanging in what appears to perhaps be an infinite loop

nhgrif

@Hosch250 maybe readability?

Jeroen Vannevel

8:26 PM

No difference. 99% sure it'll be compiled to the same code

But obviously there's no point in the intermediate value

nhgrif

Assuming that's actually what the code is.

Hosch250

@nhgrif Maybe, but it seems equally readable and more obvious what is happening my way.

Yes, this is taken from a real question.

nhgrif

If you're really worried about the difference, you need to look at the assembly and see if it compiles the same.

Hosch250

Posted an answer here, but not sure if this is a good point:

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A: Code Inspection: Procedure not used

I'm not sure why you first store the variable, then return it without doing anything: public IEnumerable<CodeInspectionResultBase> GetInspectionResults(VBProjectParseResult parseResult) { var handlers = parseResult.Declarations.Items.Where(item => item.DeclarationType == DeclarationType.Cont...

nhgrif

Otherwise, it's such a minor style issue I wouldn't bother.

Simon André Forsberg

8:28 PM

@Hosch250 The only thing I can think of is that it can be easier to debug the return value when using a debugger.

Hosch250

If it isn't just DV, and I'll remove it.

@SimonAndréForsberg Ah, that is a valid point.

Simon André Forsberg

The compiled code will be the same I believe. I also wouldn't bother about it.

@Hosch250 Did that myself not so long ago :)

Hosch250

Bother about changing it?

I've done it too.

Just didn't think of it.

nhgrif

The only reason I say it might compile differently depends on if .NET has certain conditions that do/don't short-circuit.

Simon André Forsberg

It's really a minor thing.

Jeroen Vannevel

8:29 PM

It's so minor, I wouldn't give it a standalone answer

Hosch250

OK.

OK, I'll delete and see if I can add something better too.

Steephen

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Q: Find non duplicateTriangle Triplets from a list of given numbers

I implemented an O(N^2) algorithmic solution but not sure it is better than my previous implementation Find Triangle Triplets from a list of given numbers in case of performance. I adapted almost all suggestions from answer except a structure to keep the triangle triplets. And @nhgrif pointed o...

algorithm c++11 programming-challenge data-structures c++14

JS1

@Hosch250 Not only can you see the result in a debugger that way, you can also change the result in the debugger if you want to test what happens if the result is the opposite.

Simon André Forsberg

^^ that is also a valid point

Steephen

Hey @nhgrif I am back with a better solution

nhgrif

8:32 PM

Would you mind offering an explanation for why you opted not to use the struct? Preferrably in the question, but in chat would suffice.

Jeroen Vannevel

@JS1 Change a value in the debugger? How does that happen?

nhgrif

Also, I didn't mention this in my answer, but if you notice in the code in my answer, we're passing the input vector by value (your code in both questions passes this by reference for no reason).

JS1

You can change the values of variables in a debugger. At least you can in the debuggers I've used.

nhgrif

Also, @Steephen one last point... you should probably mark my answer as accepted on the previous question since people should now be reviewing this newer iteration of the code.

Jeroen Vannevel

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa6fy2x5.aspx

Steephen

8:34 PM

@nhgrif I will

Jeroen Vannevel

Huh, I never tried that. Interesting to know

Steephen

wait some more time, I will accept

Usually if I accept no one will review it again

nhgrif

Yes, but that's the point.

Now that you've opened a new question with the same code, no one should be reviewing the old one.

Steephen

Okei

nhgrif

If you still want reviews on the old one, then perhaps you've posted the new one prematurely.

Steephen

8:36 PM

Your argument on passing the vector as value

Captain Obvious

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Q: Find non duplicateTriangle Triplets from a list of given numbers

I implemented an O(N^2) algorithmic solution but not sure it is better than my previous implementation Find Triangle Triplets from a list of given numbers in case of performance. I adapted almost all suggestions from answer except a structure to keep the triangle triplets. And @nhgrif pointed o...

c++ algorithm c++11 programming-challenge

Steephen

Is it on function findTriangleTriplets()?

nhgrif

Yes.

Just get rid of the &

Steephen

No

nhgrif

Why not...?

Steephen

8:37 PM

This is better in that case

nhgrif

You're not modifying the vector.

You don't need a reference to the vector...

Steephen

Then I should change it to const

nhgrif

Why are you passing it by reference?

Steephen

But if in case t is a huge vector, this is the better choice

nhgrif

Okay, then make it const, I guess. I don't know, I guess. I'm not C++ expert.

Steephen

8:38 PM

Yea, there is more changes needed in direction of const correctness

You are right

nhgrif

But if I pass in something by ref, I should expect it to be modified.

Steephen

It is better to make it const

nhgrif

And therefore, if a function is expecting me to pass by ref, then it should be modifying.

But I'm more interested in your decision regarding not using the struct.

Steephen

Not always

for example here it is not

Yea that I will explain

If you check SeiveDuplicate function

I am sorting the vector before inserting to std:;set

If I keep it in vector it is more easy

nhgrif

This is starting to sound like your previous argument...

You're using a vector because that makes one bit of code easier... and doing that at the expense of every other section of code being more complicated than if you used a struct...

Steephen

8:42 PM

If I write a sort function for a structure, worse case is O(N2)

if I use std:;sort it will be O(nLogn)

And it is other way a way of reinventing the wheel

Duga

If you want to get a more detailed review of your code codereview.stackexchange.com might be more what you want. — Others 1 min ago

Before this gets posted to Code Review, the asker should figure out first what programming language this is (no language tag) and second whether or not they're sure it's producing the correct results and working as intended. — nhgrif 46 secs ago

Also note that all capital identifiers is not idiomatic Go. — Dave C 53 secs ago

nhgrif

Wow, that's an interesting false positive @Duga.

Duga

@nhgrif Sorry! They happen every now and then.

Steephen

@JS1 so if a vector has size 3, will you say iterating over vector is O(N3)

nhgrif

That's not what he's saying.

Iterating over a vector is O(N1)

Steephen

8:53 PM

Okei

nhgrif

But building the vector that you're iterating over is O(N2)

So your solution is O(N3)

Steephen

Can you please elaborate @nhgrif

I am missing something

nhgrif

It's O(N2) to build the vector you're going to iterate over.

Steephen

Okei

nhgrif

You're already at O(N2) before you iterate over the vector.

Then you iterate over that vector, which is O(N1)

O(N2) + O(N1) = O(N3)

Duga

8:56 PM

yet to see a question in this question, should be under code review site? — Jaak Kütt 28 secs ago

Simon André Forsberg

O(n^2) * O(n^1) = O(n^3)

Steephen

Is it * or + needed

Simon André Forsberg

If the O(n^1) comes after the O(n^2) iteration, it is still O(n^2).

nhgrif

Or sure, that. I'm not great with O notation, but what JS1 is saying makes sense, and I think he's right.

@SimonAndréForsberg I think it's O(N1) as the inner loop of an O(N2) loop.

Simon André Forsberg

I don't know what code we're talking about :)

Where's the code?

Steephen

8:57 PM

What @SimonAndréForsberg is saying right

nhgrif

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A: Find non duplicateTriangle Triplets from a list of given numbers

Not an O(N^2) algorithm You create a vector that contains every (i,j) pair. This vector contains O(N^2) elements. For each pair, you loop across the original vector of N elements. Outer loop = O(N^2) Inner loop = O(N) Total = O(N^3) By the way, unless you allow printing ranges of answers, ...

Steephen

@nhgrif there is no inner loop inside O(n^2)

So it should be O(n^2)

Simon André Forsberg

that's O(n^3)

nhgrif

@SimonAndréForsberg You looked at the code?

Simon André Forsberg

yup

Steephen

8:59 PM

@SimonAndréForsberg can you please explain

Simon André Forsberg

you find pairs, that's O(n^2)

Steephen

Yes

Simon André Forsberg

for each pair you found you loop over the original array, which is O(n)

so it is O(n^2) * O(n) = O(n^3)

Steephen

See the pair is a vector

It is again a O(N) right

Simon André Forsberg

Two different N's.

nhgrif

9:00 PM

Not that timing is a good measure of the O notation, but have you timed this version versus the different version to see if this version even runs faster?

Simon André Forsberg

Looping over an ordinary array is O(n), yes. But in this case, the number of elements in the array is N^2.

Hosch250

I believe this is Q can be reopened: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/85878/…

Simon André Forsberg

Looping over an array of N elements is O(N). This is not N elements. This is N^2 elements.

You could translate the code to Java and run it through a tool @rolfl and I have worked on. That will tell you how well it scales.

Steephen

See in second loop not looping over pair

This is the operation over pair in second loop

std::count( std::begin( pair ), std::end( pair ), num ) < 2

just taking a count

nhgrif

@Steephen there are two N's.

Simon André Forsberg

9:04 PM

I am talking about this:

for(auto &pair : triplets)
{
    std::vector<int> pers_vec( pair );
    bool flag = false;
    for( auto &num : vec_input )

nhgrif

You're doing an O(N1) loop over O(N2) elements.

Steephen

yes I got

See in that loop no were lopping over first O(N^2 ) elements

just taking std::count on pairs

not looping over that vector

adding one more element

into same vector

Simon André Forsberg

for(auto &pair : triplets) is itself looping over O(n^2) elements.

The number of elements in triplets is of the order N^2.

Steephen

This will be triplets.size() iteration

not triplets.size()* 2 operation

Simon André Forsberg

triplets.size is approximately the same as vec_input.size * vec_input.size

Steephen

9:10 PM

okei

while doing second iteration

Simon André Forsberg

So you understand now why your code is O(n^3) ?

Steephen

kinda

That make sense somewhat

Thank you @SimonAndréForsberg

Simon André Forsberg

You're welcome.

Steephen

I just run a test, N=6, size of triplets after first iteration is 15

Simon André Forsberg

and after the rest of the iterations?

Steephen

9:15 PM

before seiving riplets.size() 42

after seiving 28

nhgrif

I just realized something... Swift's playground will help me calculate O notation...

I think.

Steephen

@nhgrif haha

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif How?

nhgrif

Swift playground is magic.

Do you have an example of something very simple that should product O(N^3) ?

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif A triple for-loop? :)

for (int a : array) for (int b : array) for (int c : array) sum += a + b + c;

very simple ^^

and totally useless, but that's another thing ;)

nhgrif

9:25 PM

n = 2

See that (8 times)

n^3 = 8 when n is 2

(if I do just one element, it spits out the sum instead of how many times its called, because no matter when big O notation, it's only looped once if n = 1`

Simon André Forsberg

ah, okay.

so you can use Swift playground as a help for it. It won't tell you the complexity/scalability directly. but it is indeed useful.

nhgrif

Right.

Jeroen Vannevel

Seriously, why can't companies actually say what they do as a business

nhgrif

So you still have to know what you're doing. For example:

Jeroen Vannevel

> Pivotal offers a modern approach to technology that organizations need to thrive in a new era of business innovation. Our solutions intersect cloud, big data and agile development, creating a framework that increases data leverage, accelerates application delivery, and decreases costs, while providing enterprises the speed and scale they need to compete.

What on earth is their product?!

nhgrif

9:31 PM

(8 times) and (2 times), but it's still just O(N^3)

Simon André Forsberg

@JeroenVannevel No idea but it surely sounds good!

nhgrif

And if you do something like this:

Well, obviously it's still O(N^3), because that last part is constant

@JeroenVannevel This sounds like every company ever.

Jeroen Vannevel

@nhgrif Exactly. How am I supposed to write I'm all enthusiastic about their product in my cover letter if they all say the same standard crap on their website

nhgrif

Link to their website?

Jeroen Vannevel

pivotal.io

And no email address for spontaneous applications :/

That's pretty annoying

nhgrif

9:39 PM

hmm, I'm not sure how to sum it up, but I think I get the gist of what they do

Which is basically... help software companies deploy their products sort of

Jeroen Vannevel

It's probably not a good sign if people have such trouble figuring out what you do exactly

nhgrif

Well... it sounds a bit like Parse

You go to Parse, they help you get your backend set up and help you develop some APIs for talking to your backend (this is pretty much all automated)

And then you write an app that talks to these APIs you created.

Pivotal sounds like the same thing, except perhaps less automated and more tailored. More like, it's for bigger companies, whereas Parse is more for like individual developers.

Jeroen Vannevel

I see

Still a little vague but I'm not an insider either of course

I'll just email their info address

nhgrif

I mean, there's a decently large demand, and Parse of course is extremely popular.

But that's because without Parse, as an individual developer, you have to be extremely flexible and have a big toolbox... or limit your app to not needing a backend.

And apps that don't require backends have limited utility.

Jeroen Vannevel

I've never used Parse so not too sure how their process goes exactly

Question

Applied Computer Science sounds better than Applied Informatics, right?

nhgrif

9:49 PM

I don't know. I'm not HR, and technical people like me probably won't care what fany words you use.

Jeroen Vannevel

Sadly, HR is an obstacle for me to go through

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Allowing googlebot to crawl a password protected page

The below I have put together as an experiment, I have profiles on my site that are password protected. I would still like them to be crawled by google. The script is taken from here and basically does a reverse dns lookup to verify if a googlebot is real or fake. I am then using this logic to ...

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Mat's Mug

@Hosch250 it's for easier debugging. I can set a breakpoint and inspect the result before returning it ;)

Jeroen Vannevel

For 1.5 years, the degree on my SO Careers profile was entered as "Bachelor's Degree". Nothing more.

FML.

Hosch250

10:10 PM

@Mat'sMug OK.

I just spent at least an hour creating a 6-7 second segment of animated video in Premiere Elements.

It locked up, it crashed every open application on my computer...

Probably just ate the memory up so the system had to take it from open applications, or something.

I think the main problem was there was no way for it to short-circuit the animated preview, so it would animate the preview in spurts for minutes after I was done.

And the best part was saving the project was extremely unresponsive...

Jeroen Vannevel

10:24 PM

"I'm always mildly disappointed with my choices" #WifeWithoutContext

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on April 4, 2015 at 10:21 PM

SirPython

10:37 PM

How do I log out of this site?

Simon André Forsberg

@JeroenVannevel For 1.5 years, the degree on my SO Careers profile was entered as absolutely nothing!

Feb 3 '14 at 18:07, by Simon André Forsberg

Once you're in The 2nd Monitor, there's no way out.

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SirPython

Nevermind, I found it

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Multiple Choice Questions using OWL

I am working on a project on automated multiple choice question generation using Ontology Web language(OWL). I need python or Java tools to link the OWL and generate questions.

java python natural-language-proc

Simon André Forsberg

After having read several comments that @Duga catches that mentions this Programmers meta question, I have now read it.

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Q: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow

You're on Stack Overflow and you've found a question that isn't about coding. It's about design or something squishy like that. You are trying to be helpful, and you put a comment in the question: You should try asking on Programmers.SE instead. --YourName 2 minutes ago ... and suddenly, ou...

discussion migration faq-proposed scope site-rec

I can highly recommend others to read it as well.

And I wonder: Perhaps we should also create a question like that? "What goes on CodeReview.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow"

I know we have Be careful when recommending CR to askers on SO Meta already, I refer to that one quite often. But perhaps we should have another one simply for the purpose of referring to in comments?

^^ @rolfl @200_success @nhgrif @sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ and others that are interested and/or often reply to misguided SO-users

The Programmers folks have referred to that question 50 times in one and a half month.

We have referred to "Be careful when recommending..." 24 times since @Duga started (about two months ago)

sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ

11:01 PM

@SimonAndréForsberg If we had a reference link on meta/help center I think it would be beneficial

One specifically for SO users, that we can reference in comments

nhgrif

-2

Q: C# Signed Byte is being written as Unsigned Byte

I'm experiencing a weird issue where an sbyte is being written to the file as a normal byte. The data has to be in the -127 to 127 range so this is a major issue. Any help?

oop

off topic

Hosch250

@nhgrif Closed

Captain Obvious

-3

Q: C# Signed Byte is being written as Unsigned Byte

I'm experiencing a weird issue where an sbyte is being written to the file as a normal byte. The data has to be in the -127 to 127 range so this is a major issue. Any help?

oop

200_success

@SimonAndréForsberg You could write one, but it would be very similar to our migration guide.

nhgrif

Where is our migration guide?

This:

16

Q: What questions are suitable for migration to Code Review, and how does the process work?

Consider this situation: There is this question on another site which I think would be a good candidate for migration to Code Review. What should I consider before flagging the question, or actually migrating it?

support faq migration

??

@200_success Is that the meta you are referring to?

Captain Obvious

11:13 PM

-1

Q: Angular, paginate through restful api or save all in object?

The max size of the object would be no more than ~300 with 5 properties each around ~10 chars in length. At first I was doing a query with pagination ex. &?keyword=blach&page=1 then I saw something and was wondering if instead it would be better to get all results and save them into an object t...

performance angular.js

SirPython

If I am creating a chat room robot, am I allowed to give an up vote to one of the robot's posts to help get it to the minimum required reputation for chat room posting?

nhgrif

You really shouldn't.

I think the mods can give it access.

Simon André Forsberg

@SirPython Don't give the upvote yourself. Have another one do it. Write an answer with the robot account and ask others to check it. That's what I did with @Duga.

SirPython

Thank you.

nhgrif

By the way, where would I get started in writing a chatbot?

What's involved in doing this?

SirPython

11:23 PM

I just wrote a quick JavaScript bot. Nothing nearly as complicated as @Duga's source code

nhgrif

Or wait... is @Duga open source?

Simon André Forsberg

@200_success I think there are some points that are not covered by the migration guide (yes @nhgrif, that is the one). The size of the Code Review community and the size of Stack Overflow community is massively different. We get 32 questions per day, that's what SO gets in an hour.

@nhgrif github.com/Zomis/GithubHookSEChatService

nhgrif

And @SimonAndréForsberg how would you feel about @Duga posting messages when some of us have new blog posts?

@SimonAndréForsberg The answers are both community wiki. You could add any missing points. But perhaps it might be suitable to have a question specifically gear toward people trying to migrate from SO. Although...where else do questions get migrated from?

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif Should be possible to detect with RSS, which chat already have built-in support for: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/8595/… (you can view that page, right?)

nhgrif

Oh wait, so the room could just be set up to listen to RSS feeds for our blogs potentially?

Simon André Forsberg

11:28 PM

@nhgrif I think there's a difference between "trying to migrate" and "recommending as another possible site". The meta I have in mind would be specifically aimed towards the endless stream of SO-comments suggesting CR. Not all of them are trying to migrate the question here.

nhgrif

Ah, okay.

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif Should be possible, yes. But I would like to make sure that at least a few others agree with the idea before I make any changes to the feeds.

nhgrif

feed://importblogkit.com/feed/

;)

Maybe I should open a meta about adding some of our users blogs to the feed?

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif We could try to get a somewhat chat consensus first.

200_success

I hesitate to promote blog posts automatically. That would start turning the site into a bit of a social network.

nhgrif

11:31 PM

I don't like it @SirPython

Especially given the chance at false positives.

I think that'd get shut down really quickly.

@200_success Is there a non-automatic way to do it?

Obviously, we'd really only want good Code Review relevant blog posts in the main chat.

Simon André Forsberg

:20919232 I don't entrust a bot with that. I prefer if all SO comments/questions are handled by humans. It's the same reason that I don't want to automatically vote or comment with @Duga.

nhgrif

I would like it if a star on a Duga post meant Duga automatically tried to upvote the comment.

I look at everything @Duga mentions in chat.

200_success

Post a link if you have a particularly good post. It wouldn't be oneboxed, though.

nhgrif

Well obviously all of my posts are particularly good...

...

</sarcasm?>

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif @Duga currently does not automatically-read chat, or detect starred messages.

^^ question would have belonged on CR, but was deleted before I could say something.

nhgrif

11:39 PM

heh

Simon André Forsberg

@SirPython Overall I like the idea of @Duga being able to classify things and inform about the classification in chat. But if there's one thing the past two months have taught me, it is that classifying something out of pure text is really difficult. I've adjusted the filter for comments mentioning Programmers several times. Making good filters is hard.

nhgrif

Oh by the way... you guys want to hear something ridiculous?

At my day job, I write ERP software.

SirPython

@SimonAndréForsberg Yes, I can agree with that; there are so many things that someone could say and it's hard to be able to handle them all.

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif I gotta admit, I still have no idea what ERP is.

nhgrif

Part of the task of the software is to calculate the book value of your various inventory items, so that at the end of the month, you can compare your book values to your sell prices and see what sort of profit margins you're making and make adjustments to what you buy and sell at

So, if you buy a bucket of bolts and some sheet metal, the bolts have a book value price, and the sheet metal price. Then with the software, you create a job to assemble these materials into a product you're going to sell.

Simon André Forsberg

11:47 PM

@SirPython Just take a look at the starred messages in @Duga's Playground. Each star is on a message that was either posted to The Whiteboard but shouldn't be, or wasn't posted there but should have been.

nhgrif

Everything you put into that job effects the cost of the job. The materials you use on the job affect the material cost, and employees working on the job affect the labor cost. There are some other things that go into it, but those are the basics.

Simon André Forsberg

So, ERP = Enterprise resource planning.

rolfl

@nhgrif / @SirPython - about chat bots.

nhgrif

So, let's say you put $40 worth of sheet metal, and $10 worth of bolts, and $50 worth of labor into your job. That job has a cost of $100, right? Makes sense.

Yes @SimonAndréForsberg

rolfl

chatbots shoudl be created in their own room and tested there before being linked in to this room.

nhgrif

11:49 PM

Then if from that job, you get 4 final assembled products, it takes that $100 splits it among the products that came out of that job, so these 4 assembled products are worth $25 each

rolfl

Even useful bots are subject to eviction, and are a 'privilege'

SirPython

@rolfl Sure thing.

rolfl

On the other hand, I encourage you all to play with them ;-)

There have been failed bots, @Duga is the only one which has been successful so far.

(on code review)

nhgrif

But if you then go back and receive a 5th assembled product from that job, the software goes to the original four and adjust their book value down to $20 and gives the 5th one a book value of $20 also (so we're still splitting the job's $100 cost evenly among everything we received from that job).

SirPython

@rolfl What if the bot is not a feed? As in, what if the bot just responds to things that you tell it to do?

nhgrif

11:52 PM

Then, if I add another $50 labor cost to the job, so it has a total cost of $150, the software goes and adjusts the bookvalue up on all of those products, so now they're worth $30/ea

The software is really good at this. At any point in time, you can know exactly where all of your costs are at. And there's all sorts of reports to then see if you're overspending on materials or on labor, or if you're undercharging on your products.

(This is just one small aspect of the whole product)

But anyway... you can also manually set your book values. This is usually reserved for end of the year for inventory that has been sitting in stock and you're saying it has depreciated in value from sitting on your shelves basically...

Duga

@rolfl I am honored!

nhgrif

Last week, I found out... one of our clients is manually setting the book value of 100% of their inventory immediately after they receive it into stock.

And once the book value is manually set, it's not touched again. But the software instead accounts for the difference between the set book value and what it should be in adjustment account.

It's just baffling to me though that someone would pay the kind of money for software like this and then just use it like a fancy Excel spreadsheet.

Simon André Forsberg

@SirPython Such bots are at risk of being more 'play toys' than useful.

SirPython

I am having some troubles... I created a new testing room for my bot, but when I try to add them to write access, it says that they must have at least 20 reputation. This confuses me because, under the "Explicit write access" section, it says that, even if the user's reputation is too low, they will still be able to chat.

Simon André Forsberg

@SirPython See this now frozen chat room for a previous bot idea that never made it to The 2nd Monitor.

@SirPython I think a moderator is needed to grant that additional access. What's the bot account btw?

SirPython

11:59 PM

@SimonAndréForsberg Moderator of CR, or of the chat room?

Simon André Forsberg

@SirPython probably a chat moderator is enough. So any moderator on the chat.stackexchange.com domain.

Although I can recommend the approach of posting a CR answer with the bot

Duga

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