The 2nd Monitor

Zak

3:00 PM

I mean, if I had "test" in arr(0)

andI said what's the position of "test"

or what's the index of "test"

what would convention say is the answer to those 2 questions?

EBrown

"Test" would be the "first element" in the array.

But it would be at "index 0."

Zak

Okay, cool.

EBrown

Usually, nth element is used to refer to what "position" it is. Where n = i + 1.

Ismael Miguel

I would say that it is always the index

Zak

Just want to avoid a situation down the line where something gets screwed because somebody said X and I thought that X actually meant Y

EBrown

3:01 PM

So, if you had an array: "Hello", "World", "Hello" would be the first element, at index 0, position 1, and "World" would be the second element, at index 1, position 2.

Zak

Aw, it's only 4pm and I'm already out of stars

EBrown

@Mat'sMug My Jon Skeet book just got delivered!

Jeroen Vannevel

@EBrown And position 1 and 2 respectively.

Ismael Miguel

@Zak UTC timezone?

Zak

yep

Ismael Miguel

3:03 PM

UK?

Zak

Ooh, I got a special star :)

yes

Ismael Miguel

Nice

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Clarified for that.

Ismael Miguel

How's the weather up there?

Lots of rain?

EBrown

This book is way bigger printed than I thought it would be...

Zak

3:03 PM

IT's actually been alright today

Jeroen Vannevel

Which one is it?

Ismael Miguel

@Zak That was a pinned star. It will stay there for quite a while

Zak

last 2 days were terrible though

Ismael Miguel

Nice

Zak

how does pinning work? I assume only mods can do it?

Ismael Miguel

3:04 PM

Could you borrow some rain, please?

Room Owners

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel C# In Depth, 3rd Edition, by Jon Skeet.

Vogel612

@IsmaelMiguel got none over here either...

that said... lots of messages in here...

Zak

@IsmaelMiguel I'd really rather not. I've got an appointment with a campsite this weekend

Jeroen Vannevel

ah, the one we recommended here?

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Yeah. ^^

Ismael Miguel

3:05 PM

@Vogel612 I was walking outside and I felt like I was melting

Jeroen Vannevel

I love the Manning books. They've always got a picture like that on the cover

EBrown

Paid $31 USD for it, shipped.

Ismael Miguel

@Zak You want it to rain there?

Vogel612

@IsmaelMiguel I am sitting in my office, with an installation to the test-system that falls apart when you look at it...

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Do they have other good C# ones?

Been reading the pdf version of this one, and I really like it.

Jeroen Vannevel

3:06 PM

I really enjoyed "The Art of Unit Testing" manning.com/books/the-art-of-unit-testing

Ismael Miguel

@Vogel612 At least you aren't sweating like a pig

Jeroen Vannevel

I've also got "LINQ in Action" (manning.com/books/linq-in-action) though I haven't started with it yet -- partly because I might already know most of it

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Too bad it's out of publication. :(

Jeroen Vannevel

it's a very thick book however, so I'll probably find nifty things still

really?

Legato

@JeroenVannevel That's a pretty popular book, it's on my list, I would've probably picked it up already if the examples were in a more familiar language.

EBrown

3:07 PM

> This title is out of print and no longer for sale.

Jeroen Vannevel

@EBrown manning.com/books/the-art-of-unit-testing-second-edition

2nd edition, sorry

EBrown

There it is.

Ehh, can't afford to buy that one right now.

Legato

amazon.com/Art-Unit-Testing-examples/dp/1617290890/…

Ismael Miguel

I had 2 idea

Jeroen Vannevel

@Legato The examples aren't that hard to understand. If you know the syntax for properties, methods and variable assignments, you're set

The ideas behind it are certainly easy to interpret in other languages

Legato

3:10 PM

I figured, that's why it's still on my list.

Ismael Miguel

1- Asking StackExchange to allow us to make Code Review's design, in exchange of some swag

EBrown

@IsmaelMiguel Already has been shot down.

Ismael Miguel

2- Asking StackExchange to one-box all links that implement those meta tags that facebook used for shared links

EBrown

> Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down.

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown Mythbusters

@EBrown When?

EBrown

3:11 PM

@IsmaelMiguel It's on the SE meta, somewhere.

Ismael Miguel

I wrote it

But it was a very late entry and was burried

Legato

I should ask Simon or Janos about some books on my list.

EBrown

The VS2015 installer has been running for over an hour on my laptop, ad the progress bar looks like it's at ~7%.

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown Blast Processing FTW!

Legato

I only have three technical books acquired outside of school. Ideally, I'd add at least one more per semester.

Zak

3:14 PM

@IsmaelMiguel Ah no, I was saying "Please keep your rain"

I really don't want it this weekend :)

Ismael Miguel

@Zak But we don't have any here

Sega Genesis - Blast Processing TV Commercial - Sega Genesis

►

Zak

@IsmaelMiguel I thought you meant you had some where you are that you'd like me to take off your hands :)

Ismael Miguel

No, I want rain

I'm sitting and I'm sweating

Zak

@IsmaelMiguel where are you?

Ismael Miguel

Portugal, on the south part

Where all white UK folks come here to return there, with a brand-new red color :p

(No offense, but I see tons of red UK guys coming from the beach)

Dan Pantry

3:19 PM

The sun doesn't really exist here, we just have varying types of rain.

Ismael Miguel

That sucks

Denmark?

Zak

@DanPantry If I had any stars left, IST

Ismael Miguel

@Zak Just say TS or TSA

Simon André Forsberg

@Legato ask what?

Zak

TS?

Ismael Miguel

3:20 PM

Theoretical Star

Zak

oh, theoretical Star ?

Dan Pantry

@IsmaelMiguel No, I'm British as well as @Zak.

SuperBiasedMan

We've got sun and rain simultaneously here (Ireland)

Jeroen Vannevel

Just started writing Angular following a book -- VSCode supports it natively!

Yay for intellisense

Ismael Miguel

@DanPantry Oh, nice.

Here we have varying shades of summer

EBrown

3:21 PM

@JeroenVannevel Handy. It also supports jQuery natively, it seems.

Zak

This is what you get when you sit at the confluence of 6 major planetary weather systems

SuperBiasedMan

I blame the ocean.

EBrown

Minor pimp.

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown Don't pimp minors, it isn't allowed

Quill

Hey, @DanPantry, I've got an angular issue, can I ask your help?

Dan Pantry

3:23 PM

@Quill you just did, but sure I'll help :P jump in the javascript libraries chat room.

Ismael Miguel

@SuperBiasedMan I blame the planet Earth

Legato

@SimonAndréForsberg If you have any technical books you'd recommend, and if you approve of this and this

Pretend the hyperlinks worked, haha.

Ismael Miguel

@Legato multi-line messages aren't formated

You have to write it all in 1 line

Simon André Forsberg

@Legato I can highly recommend Java Concurrency In Practice. I haven't read it fully, but the parts I have read are awesome. I can also recommend Effective Java by Joshua Bloch

Legato

Yeah, Effective Java is the very first one I picked up. Thank you.

Wish there was a 3rd edition heh.

Simon André Forsberg

3:26 PM

I think there might be one some day. Java 8 did change a couple of things...

Legato

Yeah.

Jeroen Vannevel

Have you read this yet? shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028499.do

Bought it at a conference a few months back -- I'll read it in a few weeks/months

Legato

Unfortunately the guy doesn't work on the Java team anymore

or something like that.

@JeroenVannevel If you mean me, definitely no. You recommend?

Jeroen Vannevel

I haven't read it yet but apparently it caught my eye enough to buy it

so I take that as a recommendation from myself

Legato

lol.

Ismael Miguel

3:29 PM

Crap, I'm starless

Jeroen Vannevel

Some of the contents seem similar to this one which I absolutely loved:

amazon.com/Writing-High-Performance-NET-Code-Watson/dp/…

Zak

how do you format tags?

Also, how long can I expect my pinned star to stay up there?

Mat's Mug

[tag:foobar-no-punctuation-allowed]

Dan Pantry

@Zak [tag\:foobar]

Legato

tag:stuff-you-want but within square brackets [] .

Dan Pantry

3:31 PM

without the \

Legato

I'm too slow for mat's mug.

3

Ismael Miguel

@Zak There's one from 18th

Zak

I'm just wondering. Do they expire or are they taken dwon manully?

Legato

I think they can be manually removed.

I don't know how the system does it though.

Jeroen Vannevel

2 week automatically, manually removal as well

Legato

3:33 PM

I had one that was up there over a month, to my shock and awe.

Zak

so how do they get extended over 2 weeks then?

Legato

2 weeks? Certain? Guess it felt longer.

I just noticed I could star this room mind-blown

4

Ismael Miguel

You can star rooms

Quill

@Zak until something better comes along

Ismael Miguel

Then it shows a nice button to click to join those rooms

@Quill That will be hard

Zak

3:36 PM

I feel like a minor celebrity now :)

EBrown

Another minor pimping.

Zak

Minors pimping, not sure if that's better or worse than pimping minors :P

Legato

How can I look up most starred comments?

Jeroen Vannevel

@Legato look through my comments

hoho

EBrown

Just remember, anything written by @JeroenVannevel cannot be seen by @IsmaelMiguel unless someone stars it.

Jeroen Vannevel

3:38 PM

Which happens frequently enough for him to follow along anyway

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown Even then, I won't see it. I don't want to deal with grown-up kids

EBrown

Pretty sure you see anything that he writes which get's starred.

Ismael Miguel

I ignore it

Shamelessly

Legato

Woah.

I clearly missed something.

Jeroen Vannevel

You'd think I ran over his dog or something

8

Ismael Miguel

3:40 PM

@Legato You can't. You have to check all 585 pages

Legato

Didn't even know you could put people on ignore haha.

Dan Pantry

I am definitely thinking that @JeroenVannevel. what is the deal?

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Oh man you should see the dirty looks I just got from that half-scream-half-laugh I just did.

Ismael Miguel

@Legato You can. I ignored him and CommitStrip

Legato

I feel like there's definitely a Query for that, but meh.

Jeroen Vannevel

3:40 PM

@DanPantry He kept going on and on and on on something after which I told him I'd not react to further inquiries anymore

EBrown

I squeaked....lol

Jeroen Vannevel

that made me a man-child

Ismael Miguel

@Legato chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/8595/the-2nd-monitor/…

Mast

@Legato List of starred comments

Ismael Miguel

The link

Duga

3:41 PM

Why was the question put on hold? On Code Review will be off-topic to ask for SSE optimizations... — senseiwa 49 secs ago

Ismael Miguel

@Mast Mind reader

Dan Pantry

@JeroenVannevel lol

Vogel612

@Legato actually there's even two ways of ignoring people

Mast

@Vogel612 One of them is leaving chat.

2

Ismael Miguel

Just so everyone knows

EBrown

3:44 PM

@JeroenVannevel Please tell me if this question using the static field like it does is wrong or not. It really feels wrong to me.

Ismael Miguel

I've taken the decision of ignoring him due to his attitudes

I wanted to keep this chat in a nice environment

And spare you all from my unnecessary anger

Jeroen Vannevel

It's a bad singleton implementation

The constructor isn't private

Vogel612

@Mast that would make 3...

Ismael Miguel

Things like blurting something non-sensical and not explaining it really tick me off

Jeroen Vannevel

but otherwise: singleton is a valid usage of a static instance

EBrown

3:45 PM

Right, but this bit bothers me:

    static UserSettings instance;

    private static UserSettings Instance
    {
        get
        {
            if (instance == null)
                instance = new UserSettings();
            return instance;
        }
    }

Most specifically, that property.

It feels, wrong.

Jeroen Vannevel

That's the singleton pattern

You use UserSettings.Instance.MyMethods()

benefits of this pattern:

Vogel612

why is the property private????

rolfl

I see a @Simon in France. I did see the SE shirt but prefer the dark-blue, not the white version. It's a nice video.

Jeroen Vannevel

lol wat

I didn't notice it's private

EBrown

@Vogel612 Exactly.

Jeroen Vannevel

3:46 PM

oh and he does have a private constructor..

EBrown

He's using the fact that it is a property, to achieve a by-product of accessing it.

Vogel612

the Private constructor is standard.

@EBrown you're correct, it stinks

Dan Pantry

speaking of CR swag is there anywhere I can buy some?

EBrown

I understand the singleton pattern, but that bit feels like it's wrong.

Ismael Miguel

@DanPantry I don't think you can buy swag

Dan Pantry

3:47 PM

@EBrown of course it's wrong. It's using the singleton pattern. ;-) /s

Vogel612

@DanPantry nope... you may get some with full graduation

and maybe there'll be a contest where you get CR swag

Zak

@DanPantry not Officially

but you can always try Ebay

Jeroen Vannevel

Everything should probably just be static

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 so many 'mays' :(

Vogel612

@DanPantry I'm not sure you're eligible

EBrown

3:48 PM

I'm not even going to answer that one, methinks.

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 ??? :(

Legato

So far from eligible. :|

rolfl

@Legato - whyen did you become a monkey ;-) ?

Vogel612

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Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 thanks

Legato

3:50 PM

About a week, now all the room tags fit.

I like it. Monking!

Monking. :)

Monking

monk* @rolfl

*ing to you too!

3:55 PM

remind me to 3D print the site's beta logo some time

Legato

lol, I just want a shirt.

Quill

@Legato zazzle.com

Legato

Not cool unless I 'earn' it. :P

Captain Obvious

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