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MARamezani

12:00

@DamkerngT. Who? SB?

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani +1

I heard it like this: "(Oh, that) reminds me of that psycho in, um, Don't Look Now." "Don't Look Now." "Yeah." "It's (how much.)" "How much." "How much we could smoke." "(Who's) in the commentary (with--um) like this cinematic illusion." -- I parenthesized the parts I'm less sure about, and I'm a non-native speaker. — Damkerng T. 1 min ago

@MARamezani The OP. He called himself the modal guy once, afaicr, which I think is apt!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Sooo, did they introduce the emoticon for bragging?

Damkerng T.

Listening is supposed to be the easiest kind of question for native speakers, I think. It's way more challenging for non-native speakers.

MARamezani

I thought you meant I was the modal guy, though.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani No, he meant it in the sense that it's his special interest.

Man_From_India

12:02

Yes I am also with MAR in this regard. About the meaning change of that sentence.

Damkerng T.

Context is everything indeed!

MARamezani

Someone's actually with me? Oh I'm gonna freak out!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. True...

@MARamezani lol

Damkerng T.

I (incorrectly) assumed that everyone here had stumbled upon that post of the OP's (that he called himself "the modal guy".)

MARamezani

Well, I remember he is a friend of yours when reviewing - i.e. he's the grandmaster robo-reviewer.

Damkerng T.

12:05

lol -- That's not the term I coined!

But yes, I remember that meta post.

@MARamezani Go freak out, but don't pass out!

MARamezani

Also, I have no plans of passing away too.

Damkerng T.

:D

In case you pass out.

Umm... Was it Image not found for you?

Man_From_India

:D

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Yep. Have no virtual servers going on at this moment.

Damkerng T.

Ah, I knew it!

Should you feel like pass out, use it!

MARamezani

12:09

Looks delicious.

Damkerng T.

(Now I wonder if it should be 'feel like passing out'...)

Argh, I'm sure you don't wanna eat it!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. Nima should be seeing this sentence :-)

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Man_From_India

considering all his problem with should

MARamezani

@Man_From_India And eventually discern it.

Man_From_India

12:10

lol

MARamezani

Thanks in advance.

Man_From_India

And after reading the answers, what he does? Does he still thank us :O I doubt :D

MARamezani

@Man_From_India He never comments on answers, unless he feels that they don't discern between anything.

Damkerng T.

Hey, Kinzle B's got Collins COBUILD English Grammar!

I remember he was on another book last year.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Why don't I get one of those shinies?

Damkerng T.

12:13

Because you already have another textbook. What is its title, again?

Insight something?

MARamezani

WHAT?!

Damkerng T.

The grammar textbook series that you told me it's so popular over there.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Mortimer's General Chemistry Book

Damkerng T.

That's not a grammar book!

Man_From_India

:D

MARamezani

12:15

@DamkerngT. Hah! That was INTERCHANGE!

Damkerng T.

Ahh... Thanks for the title!

MARamezani

Insight? LOL!

Damkerng T.

See, my DDR9 helps me to remember things vaguely. :P

I was surprised that I was able to remember the In part!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. As like Need for Speed.

Man_From_India

Give the full name....I will recommend it to Nima...and will also mention that it's very popular over his place. MAR have mastered in English Literature just by reading that book....read it Nima, and you can teach.

MARamezani

12:16

BTW, have to download Fast 7 some time

Damkerng T.

amazon.com/…

MARamezani

@Man_From_India What?! Heck no! Interchange is something I'm sure Nima has already studied.

Damkerng T.

^That Interchange, I presume.

Man_From_India

:O what? :O

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Bringing the memories of childhood

Also, they're old editions.

Man_From_India

12:21

@MARamezani Childhood :O which hood you are in now? :O

MARamezani

Oh no! Amazon's loading my recommendations. Better close the tab

@Man_From_India Childhood.

Man_From_India

:-/

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani :-)

MARamezani

@Man_From_India Your reaction is phuunny.

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Q: Is time to remove "Answer your own question" option from question page?

The story behind this question is that a new user posted this question with a simultaneous answer. I posted a comment indicating that "answering own questions was extensively debated" and suggested to not post his answer immediately after the question. Then, Ken White replied to my comment with a...

Longest lowest voted Q.

Man_From_India

Oh god such long!!! :O

MARamezani

12:26

@Man_From_India I think that should be so long!

Damkerng T.

Wow, that question is indeed long!

Man_From_India

@MARamezani U r correct as always. My mistake

MARamezani

@Man_From_India OMG what's with this day?! People are saying that I'm right! Okay okay, so I'll just eat some tissues, in case I freaked out, so it won't be too noisy in the neighborhood...

Man_From_India

Use that tiger Dam recommended in case you need :D

Damkerng T.

:D

MARamezani

12:30

But he's too cute...

@Man_From_India F.E.?

Man_From_India

@MARamezani Ha ha...that is too much :D

roflmao

Damkerng T.

:-)

Jim Reynolds

12:42

Hello friends.

And @MARa

O.0

o.o

MARamezani

Hullo Grand Do|t

Jim Reynolds

:D

That's IranianTM for I love you.

You used a slash*!*

Er. Hmm.

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Markdown doesn't like aliens.

Try being a nice Jedi for a change.

o.0

Jim Reynolds

I'm writing the definitive answer to Omit object after "He left me without informing.

MARamezani

Go ahead.

Jim Reynolds

12:46

I AM NICE!

MARamezani

That's the answer?

It's link-only.

O.0

Jim Reynolds

I'm still writing it.

MARamezani

Stilllllll writing it.

Damkerng T.

You can; but if you use it without its complements it is parsed as intransitive, and in that sense it means "ratting". — StoneyB 1 hour ago

Ah, that's exactly the example we discussed!

Jim Reynolds

So far I have . . .

MARamezani

12:55

Whaddid I say?

Damkerng T.

> But what if in the OP's context (which is unclear), they said that to mean, "He left without (such) informing."
Such informing that could earn a swift and terrible punishment from the gang.

MARamezani

You CAN!

Damkerng T.

My cat looks hungry...

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. When it/he saw that tiger balm?

Jim Reynolds

Well I also caught something about the way it was asked . . . .

Can you omit the object?

Damkerng T.

12:56

@MARamezani Hehe! I told you the balm is not edible!

Jim Reynolds

Technically, that implies that there is an object.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think we shouldn't, in most cases.

Jim Reynolds

*Is it okay to omit the object?*

What object?

If you use *informing* in an object verb sense, then an object must be supplied or it is nonstandard grammatically and has no sensical meaning in any ordinary context.

It is almost certainly--or almost always--nonstandard or nonsensical to write or say *He left me without informing.*

If we deem *informing* to be a noun, it is difficult to think of a context in which the sentence would make sense. *He left me without purple* follows a common grammar pattern, but is also generally nonsensical.

Damkerng T.

Good opening! -- Can't wait to see the full post!

MARamezani

It would be a box office hit!

Jim Reynolds

12:58

:D

Damkerng T.

Ah, Oculus is coming up!

Jim Reynolds

I want to make a profit, like the Scooby Doo movie.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Which Man_From_India was watching yesterday!

MARamezani

Fast 7 is out, and you better watch the box office yourself.

Man_From_India

Someone mentioned Scooby?

:-)

Jim Reynolds

13:04

I remembered. And you looked up its finances, right?

If you think/feel you're going to pass out. @Dam

MARamezani

ell.stackexchange.com/q/54575/#comment102820_54575

Jim Reynolds

Feel like passing out carries the other meaning of feel like.

MARamezani

Stoney is outright friendly.

I'm kinda surprised.

Jim Reynolds

Feel like you're going to . . . Ok.

MARamezani

Not that he isn't such a guy.

It's that someone 1/4th his rep is bragging somewhere is meta.SE.

YOU'RE AWESOME @Stoney!

Damkerng T.

13:11

His rep points aren't accidental.

MARamezani

If anything, he made a huge fan here.

Damkerng T.

On second thought, coincidental is a better word.

MARamezani

No no, here. Here!

Damkerng T.

nods

MARamezani

Where are you looking at?

HERE!

Damkerng T.

13:13

I have only one eye on the chat now.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Dunno. I think with a coincidental, the sentence is incomplete.

Damkerng T.

So it might be better to say ME than HERE. :-)

MARamezani

HEEERRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Damkerng T.

confused

o_O

@JimReynolds I think the other meaning can mean either meaning. Not very sure.

But feel like you're going to is clearly a better choice.

Eh? Is Ocular based on a Japanese ghost story?

Jim Reynolds

13:36

You mean feel like passing out?

Damkerng T.

Ah, yes.

Jim Reynolds

I don't think we use it for an involuntary situation.

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see.

MARamezani

Phuunny how people are either looking for love letters in SE or they're ranting about chatrooms.

Compare this:

Damkerng T.

It was a Cat 3 error. (I could sense something fishy in the sentence, but didn't know how to fix it idiomatically.)

@MARamezani Love letters?!

MARamezani

13:41

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Q: +1 and like buttons next to a question

I'd like +1 and like buttons for Google+ and Facebook below the sharing buttons next to each question. Sometimes, I'd just like to show I like it without sending a whole status update. I e-mailed the team, but they tell me to ask the community before if it would like something like that too. <-...

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And this:

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Q: Why do Stack Exchange sites, particularly Stack Overflow, have chat rooms?

Chat rooms are so inefficient- Stack Overflow has a ridiculous number of chat rooms. I'd create a simple forum/subforum category (chat rooms can become threads or subsubforums) structure, kill the current ones and transfer their content to individual threads (I assume some people want that st...

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Jim Reynolds

Love letters?

MARamezani

I mean all the babble about getting SE to social media and Qs like the first one I linkenized.

Jim Reynolds

LINKENIZED!!????

That's outrageous.

I vote to have your fingers sewn together so you can't type.

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Yes.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

How. Dare. You?

MARamezani

13:47

@JimReynolds What about linkenisized? Or linkenicized?

Linkenificationized

Jim Reynolds

Oh. That's better. Not the first. The latterer.

MARamezani

Linkenificationicizationicizitificationized

O>O

Jim Reynolds

stoppit!!

MARamezani

Linkenificationicizationicizitificationizationiticizationitificationizitificatio‌nized.

^ Read that in one whole breath if you dare ^

Jim Reynolds

I tried, but one of my brains ruptured.

MARamezani

14:01

@JimReynolds How many left?

Jim Reynolds

27

MARamezani

Spend them trying to figure out what that thing is supposed to mean.

Jim Reynolds

No. There is a self-protective mechanism.

My informing/object answer was messed up. I think I fixed it.

Man_From_India

14:27

@JimReynolds you have given an example - He left me without purple

We, however, can say - He left me without [any food].

From google book -

> ...if successful in play, are certain to be paid with honour, or if unsuccessfnl, have it in their power to be still greater gainers by informing.

Iplodman

cout << "Hullo!";

MARamezani

You're learning...Hullo!

Man_From_India

@JimReynolds From up to date OED -

Iplodman

;P

Man_From_India

MARamezani

14:34

@Man_From_India :O So this is what OED looks like?

Man_From_India

just a screen shot

i can give u the link...but I am afraid that you don't have the access.

MARamezani

I'm scared too.

Man_From_India

:D

where is Jim?

MARamezani

Figuring out the meaning of

44 mins ago, by MARamezani

Linkenificationicizationicizitificationizationiticizationitificationizitificatio‌nized.

Man_From_India

:D

Jim Reynolds

14:37

Hi @Man

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India The mirror must have had him! (An aftereffect of Ocular.)

Oh, Jim's back. That's too bad.

Jim Reynolds

I'm looking at it.

Damkerng T.

(Um... I mean, it's good.)

Jim Reynolds

O.o

Man_From_India

hi jim...i was just trying to say something about your answer.

Damkerng T.

14:38

@JimReynolds It's just a scary movie.

@Man_From_India Your informing screenshot looks very authoritatively!

MARamezani

Like mine?

0.o

Jim Reynolds

Authoritative.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. I think that would be better as authoritative.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. even saying so I belive informing needs an object there :-(

Jim Reynolds

still greater gainers by informing. ...

MARamezani

14:39

Because the verb is look, ya know.

Jim Reynolds

How does that sentence start?

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Indeed!

@MARamezani I forgot to look!

(Also still on the wrong glasses!)

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Snailor is a bad influence.

Damkerng T.

?!?

MARamezani

Well, I leave it to you to figure it out.

How does feeling tortured feel?

Turturizationificationized

Damkerng T.

14:44

@MARamezani o_O

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. O.0

Damkerng T.

(-_-)"

Man_From_India

@JimReynolds I still did not see anything good about your reason there in your answer. Yes it's transitive verb, we know, so it should have an object. But it's also a noun, that is what I showed and mean not only just ratting. If it's a noun what is the reason of adding an objective obligatorily?

MARamezani

Torturificationiziticizationificationizationificationiticizationiticized

Getting better at it

Jim Reynolds

If it's a noun, the sentence makes no sense.

Damkerng T.

14:46

@MARamezani T70d. That's how a programmer would refer to it.

Man_From_India

why?

Jim Reynolds

@Man What would it mean?

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. 0.O What does that mean?

Man_From_India

It is similar to this sentence - He left me without [any money].

Damkerng T.

I guess that Man_From_India means, that "He left without his shirt" is grammatical.

(Or money!)

Man_From_India

14:47

true

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani It's like i18n and l10n, in case you're curious.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O>O

Man_From_India

Here it should mean if informing is a noun, he left without [the action of informing] based on OED screenshot

Jim Reynolds

But he left me without money means something.

He left me without informing . . . .

What does that mean?

Is it a sentence?

MARamezani

@JimReynolds No, whales don't fly.

Man_From_India

14:49

Because you are stuck with the feeling that inform is a transitive verb. And should have an object

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds It might work if you try to stretch your imagination so far as to it almost snaps!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. His brain is overridden already.

Jim Reynolds

No. Why do you keep saying that?

I said it can be a noun.

Man_From_India

It is :-)

can't deny :D

Jim Reynolds

How do you know?

Man_From_India

14:51

I just showed u some screenshot

Jim Reynolds

The op asks if the object can be left out.

Man_From_India

Yes I know...I am saying that it can be left out. But it's not obligatory.

Damkerng T.

Wait, what did the OP ask exactly?!

> Is it okay to omit the object in this sentence?

Jim Reynolds

Can the object be omitted?

Man_From_India

[Though I know very sure an object is necessary, but still if we look at grammar it seems like it's not obligatory.]

Jim Reynolds

14:53

Nouns don't have objects.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. How can I make a sandwich out of you and laugh at it.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I see. It's been like that since it was first posted.

@MARamezani You can have one of my switches, turn it into a sandwich, maybe? o_O

I was wondering if the title was so because we had edited the OP's title.

Man_From_India

@JimReynolds that is what i am trying to say. Your answer makes it look like an object is obligatory.

Damkerng T.

Wait, I think inform as a verb is always transitive.

(I know it's risky to say always with anything about language.)

Jim Reynolds

It can be intransitive.

He informed on his company's bookkeeper to the police.

Man_From_India

14:57

In the sense of rattling that is what StoneyB commented. But OED does say it's not necessarily restricted to that meaning only. it says informing is a noun meaning the action of informing.

MARamezani

Much as I hate to say it, I agree with almost all of the things @Jim says.

Damkerng T.

Ah, yes, I forget when it's used with a preposition-headed phrase.

Jim Reynolds

@Man Again, I have written that it can be a noun.

Damkerng T.

^I should've said 'forgot', but never mind that.

Jim Reynolds

But I repeat: If it's a noun, that sentence has no meaning.

Man_From_India

14:59

@JimReynolds Only in the sense of *rattling or any other sense of inform?

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