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12:00 PM

Phew Did some polishing to Cyclohexane

Now I think it looks better.

Someone posted a question on ELL asking how they can improve their listening (because they can't understand native speakers, in real-life, in movies, etc.), and I remember I told the OP to listen to "non-English" songs. snailboat asked me why? I replied "It breaks the ice!"

@MARamezani It still looks the same to me. Maybe after a while.

@DamkerngT. Hmm, another proof that you should be a philosopher.

@MARamezani Hee

Another proof. We won't normally say that.

We = well, those of us who know.

O.O

Another piece of evidence proving that . . . ?

Interesting...

12:05 PM

Another confirmation that you are . . . ?

Help! @snailboat

O.O

I'm not sure I get your little story, Dam.

> Beautifully written, it's another proof that Mary DeMuth is one of our finest novelists

O.O

@JimReynolds My little story?

@JimReynolds I looked around for it's another proof that.

I wonder if that's more of a UKism?

Possibly.

12:07 PM

About non-English songs, and breaking the ice.

I know that proof can be a countable noun.

But I only think of a proof as a mathematical proof.

I know you didn't mean that. I think you were talking about what's more idiomatic.

I meant, it's mo' bettah.

Prolly!

It's my way, or the highway.

Help! I need somebody help!

12:08 PM

O.O

Low battery?

Cat eating through wires?

@JimReynolds Just The Beatles. :P

o.O

De-italize.

DE-ITALICIZE, I SAY!!

I think

Names of bands? No.

Not for bands?

You have gone on tilt.

I mean tilt.

I'm gonna say, no.

Albums.

nods

12:10 PM

Whew.

Now I wonder... should I keep that T capitalized?

What's the name of the band, anyway?!?

> By early July, they had changed their name to the Silver Beatles and by the middle of August to the Beatles.

Apparently, I should've written "Just the Beatles".

If snailboat had seen that, we would have been hit with A Compendium of Authoritative and Quasi-Demonstrative Referant Contingencies Acting upon Selection of Emphatic Stylicization Nomenclatures as Evidence of Symbolic Evolution from Middle Germanic to Proto-Indonesian, Volume XXVI

2

LOL

O.O

Hahah

Then she will say I'm "making fun" of her. But I worship her.

Hehe!

12:13 PM

That's a good question on "the/The"

We could resolve it with "Silver Beatles" (and any subsequent names).

@DamkerngT. Maybe cuz it's part of the name of the band?

The band!

I think @MAR was making a brilliant observation that art today has become mere commodity.

O.O

@DamkerngT. The brand of the band?

I just closed put on makeup vs wear makeup!

12:17 PM

@JimReynolds I'm still observing.

Yaaaaay !!!! Another evil in this world properly disposed of. What progress!

confused -- It seems like it could be both...

Why you little . . . . Observer this.

Why you little . . . . Observe this!

Uh. Never mind!

THIS!

Cries.

12:18 PM

I'm observing so much my eyes hurt.

If a band is a brand, it means that some brands are bands. We have a piece of evidence that a band is indeed a brand, how can we prove that all bands are brands?...

By branding all the band brands?

Some of them have been banned.

Will they be okay if they got branded?

Argh!

Ah!

What if they got branded with their band's brand's logo?

12:22 PM

@JimReynolds That's illegal. It's overbranding.

Drinking brandy might reduce the pain.

O.O

Memory available: 2%

OMH

@JimReynolds Oh your Hod?

In Heaen, everything is nice.

And without typos.

12:23 PM

I think Jim meant Ohm...

OMO!

Omo is a brand in Thailand, usually means "white" as in white white. ;-)

Oh My Ostriches.

Date 2000 FIC Mov:ErinBrockovich

I can't remember anything about that movie except for the ending scene.

12:25 PM

I'll tell them we can't help them cause you don't feel like working that hard. ED (turns on her) Working hard!!? Why you little... Let me tell you something - I've worked all my life. I built a firm and kept it alive through lawsuits, injunctions, and evictions. I have survived a quadruple bypass, cancer...

I can't remember anything about your not remembering anything about remembering that movie. O.O

O.o

1999 FIC Mov:Manchurian

@JimReynolds Was there cancer in the dialogue?

yes. O.O

@MARamezani Didn't you know that I had removed a few pieces of your brains and kept it elsewhere? :-)

12:27 PM

why?

I pasted it.

Chimp two speaks. CHIMP TWO (DUBBED VOICE) Hurry, Elijah! # SAFARI MAN # Why you little bastard! Elijah is wrestled to the ground amidst much screaming. DISSOLVE TO: INT. CRAIG AND LOTTE'S APARTMENT - DAY Elijah shakes off the memory and looks determinedly at the ropes on Lotte's hands.

@JimReynolds I can't remember the cancer, but Erin's reaction was quite memorable.

@JimReynolds I think you're broken.

That is certainly one of my favorite movies.

1999 FIC Mov:InShadowOak

INT. SECURITY OFFICE - DAY Still on the floor, Elvis grabs the little radio with rage, flips it off and screams at it. # ELVIS # Why you little...! Over my dead body! The bell RINGS. INT. HALLWAY OUTSIDE VOC/TECH ROOM - DAY Students pour into the hall. Hawk and Lex exit the class just as Trip comes zigzagging down the corridor

1994 FIC etCetera

He stared at me a long time -- I couldn't say or do shit -- and finally said in this tight little voice like he was telling himself something he could hardly believe: " Why you little SOB. " " Yeah, " I got out. " I'm a. Son of a bitch. Ain't I? " He stared a minute -- then he went inside his jacket lapel again.

OK. Those are the four "Why you little" matches in COCA. :D

LOL

Erin's Big Bonus - Erin Brockovich (10/10) Movie CLIP (2000) HD

Yes. Wow. :D

1:07 PM

Good afternoon guys....

Hullo!

MFI how do you like my new fancy cool profile pic?

yes I didn't recognise you for some time :-)

another bond structure from different angle I guess

@Man_From_India Exactly. But we call them chemical structure.

I see....

it's cool, a nice break from ur previous animated one.

Or Kekulë structure, in this case.

1:13 PM

Now this is some specialized terminology :-) for a lay man in chemistry like I am it's making no sense :-(

It resembles to the symbol of pass transistors :D

(electronics)

Heh. The guy was who found Benzene's shape.

in The Periodic Table, 57 mins ago, by MARamezani

I wonder if I should change my profile pic every day.

I've decided to change my profile pic every day.

Or every week, at least.

Should I do it every day?

No harm I think, only thing is I will have to read your name :-)

It's every day then. But I still may be asking @Damke and @Jim

yes sure...I am not very aware about all these stuffs :-)

@Man_From_India Ah, it's just random phun stuff. No need for specialized approaches.

1:23 PM

I think so

1:40 PM

I am not sure if I have made this tree correctly

user image

Anyone? help plz

@MARamezani How about every time Chem SE got new 100 questions?

@Man_From_India It looks strange to me to pull the can out like that.

hmm I am not very sure about what I made :-( but I didn't find any other way to make the tree...any suggestion?

I usually think that a syntax-tree should match bracketing, but I know that we have more than one way to build a syntax-tree (perhaps the variety is wider than the sets of grammar).

@Man_From_India How would you bracket the sentence?

just a sec

> [Policyholders] [can] [often redeem whole life policies early] [or] [use the policies as collateral for loans].

That can is before redeem and understood but not mentioned before use

1:55 PM

> a) [Policy holders] [ [can] [often redeem whole life policies early] [or] [use the policies as collateral for loans] ].
b) [Policy holders] [can [ [often redeem whole life policies early] [or] [use the policies as collateral for loans] ].
c) [Policy holders] [ [ can often redeem whole life policies early] or [ (can) use the policies as collateral for loans ] ].

Which parse do you like more?

b

c is hard to achieve in tree structure

In that case, I think you need a dummy node as a sibling of can and put everything else under that dummy node.

c) is a bit simpler, imho.

true

i will give that shot later :-)

Subject: Policy holders
Predicate: [ can often redeem whole life policies early ] or [ (can) use the policies as collateral for loans ].

nods

@DamkerngT. structure #c...better

something caught attention :-)

1:58 PM

nods

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Q: In these sentences can I use "Being" or "to be"?

Which is better for a woman.... "She loves to be herself instead to show off" or "She loves being herself instead to show off" or "She loves being and not appearing"

sentence-construction grammaticality-in-context

That's a dup!

I remember Ben's "like to sing".

(or "love to sing", I'm not sure.)

But the sentences with instead are incorrect....in both sentence #1 and #2 to should be replaced with of

Hi @Man

Apr 7 at 14:50, by Damkerng T.

@MARamezani snailboat referred to my Categories List (of leaners' errors).

Hi Jim....

2:00 PM

@Man_From_India Oh, yes, indeed!

@Dam You mada meta error!

A meta error?

And what is that Categories List?

What category is "leaners' error" while talking about categories of errors? :D

I though somebody made some sort of lists :-)

2:02 PM

Apr 5 at 10:59, by Damkerng T.

> Category 0: Perfect English (no correction needed)
Category 1: Passable English (unidiomatic but acceptable; make the correction only occasionally)
Category 2: Spontaneous Error (the student recognizes the error, but may make it spontaneously; the student can correct the error by themselves in writing; correction is unnecessary but useful)
Category 3: Known Error (the student recognizes the error, but may make it both spontaneously and in writing; the student cannot correct the error themselves; correction is required)

I see

@JimReynolds I see, you mean we should write this instead: Categories of Learners Errors List

Oh, this is fun. How many way can we write that, grammatically?

"my Categories List (of leaners' errors)."

leaners !

leaners!

An error in discussing errors!

A meterror.

Oh, I didn't even notice that (typo)!

:D

2:05 PM

Funny how my brains work!

Wait, how many brains do I have?!

ha ha

Haha. And so funny how I randomly landed there somehow in the record.

I really don't know how!

LOL

Is a typo like that categorizable?

I suppose the closest is 2.

It's a Cat 2, definitely.

2:06 PM

:D

nods

I luvvit!

Hee!

Tell that to Owl Jolson: youtube.com/watch?v=ytR7-wT0Qqw (Seriously, this is a classic cartoon.) — Ben Kovitz Mar 21 at 12:52

Ah, Ben Kovitz didn't post his answer, but he surely mentioned Owl Jolson's.

I know that learners tend to say "I love singing" and think of "I love to sing" differently.

But apparently, they could mean the same!

It also echos this idea of mine (which is possibly inspired by what snailboat said): Not all verbs are equal.

Yes. Choosing between -ing form and infinitive is a doozy sometimes.

nods

2:13 PM

I'd like explaining more, but it's too nuts.

See what I did there?

Yes!

Maybe when I come back from dog walking, I'll create a title for snailboat's favorite reference work on the topic.

O.o

LOL

It might be something like, "Grammar: You've got a lot of to explain doing."

lol

Is that even grammatical?!?

Oh, it's meta. I see. (-_-)"

2:15 PM

Ha. Yes. See, I'm becoming a nerd, too.

You are getting better at it!

Trying. :D

Hola!

Hiya!

@DamkerngT. Sorry about not replying, my WiFi decided it would be better suited to not providing me with internet access.

2:20 PM

@Iplodman Punish it!

:P

slaps router

It's your fault!

Don't worry. I'd already forgotten what you didn't reply!

@Iplodman Argh! I'm sorry! :-)

;)

me and router are friends...

It was about rep on meta, I did get the rep, just late c:

2:21 PM

Yay!

2:33 PM

Worry as a verb emphasizes on the action (i.e. like when you keep thinking about the problem that causes you to feel worried). As a verb, someone/something can worry someone. Worried as an adjective means almost the same, but it focuses a little more on the state of unhappiness. — Damkerng T. 8 secs ago

I commented.

Don't think much! They all mean same. — Maulik V 3 hours ago

Not to nitpick anyone, but I think They all mean same sounds off.

But maybe it's acceptable. I don't know. Like, Long time no see.

Yay, all today's ELL questions done!

I think that "I worry" and "I'm worried" are the same c:

I think they mean the same thing, but with a little different emphasis. Maybe I'm wrong.

Just like "tomorrow" vs. "the day after today".

2:48 PM

I'd say you're right.

Welcome back @JasperLoy!

I was about to leave. :-)

@DamkerngT. Hello!

Hello!

I made someone upset in another room, but I apologised. I hope things are alright now.

"The day subsequent to today's two days after yesterday" ;)

2:51 PM

@JasperLoy I hope you can work things out!

^

@Iplodman Now, that really confuses me!

Everyone's made mistakes in rooms!

@Iplodman I guess it's Saturday!

@Jas hello!

2:52 PM

@DamkerngT. I told you about my mental illness right? I have not been working for many years. I don't know when I will get well, but my mum is taking care of me now.

@JimReynolds Hi, you look handsome, LOL.

@JasperLoy I remember that very well.

I guess we have a tendancy to misjudge the ground we stand on with people. @JasperLoy

@DamkerngT. I am currently taking meds, but I don't want therapy because they will tell me things that I already know.

@JasperLoy But you didn't sound like someone with a problem when we chatted together. ;-)

nods

@DamkerngT. For many mental illnesses, it is not possible to tell.

2:53 PM

@Dam Yes. We need to say They all mean the same [thing].

@JimReynolds Ah, thanks for the confirmation.

@JasperLoy I also remember that you're interested in Buddhism. I hope it can help you a bit.

@DamkerngT. Anyway, what I think I need to do now is a whole series of things that require a lot of courage. Some of these things will be very embarrassing. I hope I am able to do them sometime soon. That is the only way for me to get well.

nods

I know your time zone is one hour earlier than mine.

Yes.

2:57 PM

I have made many mistakes in life. I hope it is not too late and that I still have a future.

(I usually think of it as after, but perhaps that's my English!)

@JasperLoy I remember that Kit helped you... I can't remember exactly when.

@DamkerngT. She is still helping me. We talk over email and in room 168.

I believe you have it.

nods

You like nodding, LOL.

Indeed!

I love to listen. (When I'm not busy with something else, I mean.)

2:59 PM

I think I will favourite this room and come here every day now.

Oh, okay!

Is snailboat the main mod in this chat?

She is.

She?

Cerb still is, but he hasn't come in here much lately.

3:00 PM

I thought it is he, LOL.

Eh, I thought you knew it! (Argh! Forgive me snailboat!)

Cerb is not a moderator.

Cerb is one of the mods (owners) of this room.

Wait, you are he right?

Yes, I am!

3:01 PM

OK, you never know on the internet, you could be a cat or dog!

Or a robot! :P

I remember that your avatar had a little brighter shade of blue. I hope I will you in that shade again soon.

;-)

I like to repeat things a lot, so I may come here and talk about my mental problems every day. If you find it boring, you can ignore me.

I was thinking about creating a new room. Maybe I'll be in both room, for a while(?).

I sort of use chat as a source of encouragement and motivation sometimes.

@JasperLoy Let's say that I'll listen to you whenever I can. Fair enough?

3:04 PM

Hmm, I don't like the idea of going to another room. I think this room is fine.

@DamkerngT. OK, thanks.

:D

Are you going to sleep soon?

Oh, it's going to be another long night for me, as usual. :D

Why long night? You have work to do?

My stuff, yes. And I'm not a morning person.

I'm a night owl!

3:06 PM

OK. Can I give you my email address here? You can email me so that I know yours, if you don't mind.

Umm... may I ask why?

(Please don't take it the wrong way, but I'm not a person who checks his mails that regularly anyway. :-)

Well, I just like to keep in touch with people I find nice to talk to. I have the emails of over 30 SE folks. But if you don't want to it's fine.

Let's say I feel more comfortable like this. I hope it's okay with you.

Hi @JasperLoy...I think u can always find Dam here :-) he is always active here :-)

@DamkerngT. OK then, no problem.

3:09 PM

Yay! We understand each other!

What is your regular room now? Overlook Hotel?

Yes, rooms 168 Overlook and 36 Math.

@Man_From_India Yes, and sometimes act up. (Just kidding :-)

:D

@JasperLoy I see. I haven't been in the math room for a while. Perhaps only once or twice!

u mean u just open it in one of ur numerous open tabs :D

3:10 PM

@Man_From_India Well, that's one way to look at things, you know... :P

@Man_From_India You are telling everyone you are from India, LOL.

:-)

@JasperLoy Yes :-)

@JasperLoy I think I can trust him by just looking at his username!

I mean, oh, I sure know where he's from. :-)

It's one thing I mentioned a few times about users (learners) on ELL. I wish everyone disclosed where they're from or at least something about their first languages. I mean, it could make it easier to help them.

Indeed

Hi @Araucaria I see u first time here...welcome :-)

Ah, gotta take a break. See y'all soon (after the break). o/

3:16 PM

see u damke

3:26 PM

hi

Hullo!

How are you? :)

i'm doing fine

3:43 PM

@DamkerngT. Giving it more thoughts, I think I'll stick to this for a while.

It looks great.

Hullo everyone!

3:55 PM

@DamkerngT. Imitates a sound of an owl

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