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meow
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M A I O ~
03:03
@RyderRude monograph has to be historical?
meow
Hey 😺
im having a bad day
Why? πŸ™„
i shouldnt talk about it
03:04
Okay. Sorry for asking.
no need to be sorry!
im sometimes prone to share a little too much so i dont wanna open that gate lol
Don't bottle it up inside, that makes it worse.
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@handan_toddler that's true though. But if someone is not feeling comfortable to share, it's good to respect that.
@RyderRude I don't think you need to go to Principia to study a monograph. πŸ™‚
meow
woof woof
03:06
@handan_toddler yeah its more of an ongoing thing though that i know i just need to hang in there, i guess
mew mew hang in there
sure, they say that^
@RyderRude It can be double-edged sword. At least I feel it thay way. Sometimes I do go back to original papers to understand the motivation. But many times I feel annoyed by, say, the archaic notations as well as primitive treatment which are otherwise absent or refined in today's works.
yeah, i think modern texts are a lot more efficient
but it is also good to have a historical understanding
i think both have their own uses, although i usually prefer newer texts
03:09
Depends on what time the paper was written. I have enjoyed few papers while I do get stuck at some other papers. It's bad when modern texts simply cite those and don't do their own elaboration. πŸ˜…
@Allie exactly. It should be a fine confluence of two. But I would always prefer a good modern text any other day.
I remember a paper I was searching for a derivation, which the authors said were very very involved and long and so they had not included that, but if needed they can provide that.
Well, guess what. Both are dead for decades. And no one bothered to expand that. It's not some easy algebraic manipulation. πŸ˜‘
do yall thnk people in academia care if you dont make eye contact during conversations
@User1865345 fermat basically did this
@Allie I think it depends. But in general case, it doesn't. Although I haven't taken it seriously, I haven't noticed anyone staring at other ways while conversing some business.
@Allie yeh. Good case in point.
i just ask because im neurodivergent and its way easier to focus on the conversation if i dont feel like i have to be making the correct amount of eye contact
and if i can rock my foot and whatever else
the professor i spoke to didnt seem to mind at all but i figured id ask yall
There is no correct amount of eye contact, just to assure you, at least that I am aware of. πŸ˜…
i mean, ive been told im not paying attention because i cant make eye contact
which is not true
(although sometimes im actually not, LOL)
in certain spaces it is DEFINITELY important to have eye contact
03:18
@Allie the recruiting panel knows people they are interviewing can be nervous. So they really don't mind any such stuffs. Trust me, they have seen many things. So they don't get easily bothered by few legs swaying and eye contact stuff.
like in business or whatever (glad im not in that "career")
its not even being nervous tho
This reminds me of the extroverted mathematian joke.
do share
How can you tell you're talking to an extroverted mathematian?
@Allie hm. Maybe but again they really don't care anything as long as the interview goes good.
03:20
how
They're staring at your shoes.
ha-ha-ha-ha
@Allie I am not sure of cultural differences, but unless some drastic happened to distract them (which is really, really rare), everything will be fine.
@Allie business carrer types put a lot of importance on body language
@handan_toddler i mean business is all about persuasion and being the most personable
03:24
Yup.
which i think is super dumb
Also, they practice the tone of their voices
also, they exploit workers
:3
its a cringy little nothing profession
the so called "gift of the gab"
 
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@User1865345 It is not the first time that people have told the two of the issue you are talking about. They are insistent upon it. There is nothing we can do about people who insist on being as confused as the pioneers were. It is not like the confusion is a closely held secret. We openly discuss the state of confusion that they were all in, right at the start of undergrad physics education.
 
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@TobiasFΓΌnke it's a pretty useful result. But the theme is general. Prove something in a dense set and extend it. The separability structure is inherent. We do use that often in many probability theory results.
@naturallyInconsistent true.
@User1865345 yes
and good morning :)
@HerrFeinmann (did I reply you back? I got brain fade; saw your comment in the notification now) yes. I assume you are talking about the Feynman lectures. Yes. Mr. Bader, an iconic character in the Feynman lore.
Good morning @TobiasFünke.
@User1865345 indeed
A funny thing happened last year. A similar problem appeared in the form of a question that came in CV last year.
You see, there are many test statistics we use in non parametric realms. These are functionals of cumulative distribution functions, based on variational norm or Hellinger distances (not always a metric) to measure the similarly between two distributions.
The derivations of the test statistic are generally avoided in most of the usual books, mainly because the applied books dominate the market as non parametric is heavily used by data scientists and others.
But to understand the derivations, you need some integral equations and bit of algebraic manipulation, which sometimes can be lengthy. And that's why even theoretical books tend to end the discussion by citing original works.
Which brings us back to the papers where authors also left the calculations as they were tedious (but they could provide that if a correspondence is sent).
So the question necessarily asked for the derivation, which was not given even by the authors. πŸ™‚
Coincidentally similar question was asked in Maths few years back and the accepted answer simply uploaded s snapshot of the authors' statement in their papers.
It took me a while to finally complete the derivations (okay, I admit they weren't that tedious) and post an answer.
So, I guess till now the arguments can be only found in an answer at CV. A hilarious thing indeed.
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Another instance was also related to non-parametric test statistic. This time, it was beautifully derived by someone in their own website.
Enough of me chattering πŸ˜…
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08:02
derp
08:13
@ACuriousMind Any idea which theorem that might be
@Slereah It's just Paley-Wiener again - the Fourier transform of a compactly supported function is an entire function, and holomorphic functions that vanish on an open set vanish everywhere
Oh is it the uuuh identity theorem
Holomorphic implies analytic therefore global behaviour is implied by behaviour on some open set
But wait I also need more generally that to be true for any function with a support that's not dense tho
Why? The Paley-Wiener theorem tells you the transform is holomorphic on the entire plane
Essentially the "smaller" the support the larger the holomorphicity domain of the transform - the transforms of functions supported on the positive axis (not compact but still a restriction) are holomorphic on the upper half plane
08:29
I guess on an observable level I need the support to be at least on the real line within the holomorphic domain
Wait does that even make sense
Argh
I am not good at complex analysis
I'm not sure what you mean
Well I need to translate the statement "If we have any information on the position domain, we have no information on the momentum domain" roughly
the point is that the support of a holomorphic function is all of $\mathbb{C}$ except for isolated points, since it would vanish if it vanished on an open set
then what did you mean by "holomorphic on the upper half plane"
well, for a function of $\mathbb{R}_+$ you don't get that the transform is holomorphic on $\mathbb{C}$, you just get that it is holomorphic on the upper half plane
08:32
Then I cannot get the statement that it is holomorphic on $\mathbb{C}$!
Since I also need those functions included
Any function of support that's not dense roughly
I am seeing versions of the Paley Wiener theorem with holomorphic in a strip around the real line
That may be what I need
Though this involves some bound on the Fourier transform idk if that is fulfilled
09:20
Stephen Hawking says this about AI automation:
> If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.
@User1865345 it has to be personal research, past or present
@User1865345 yes. Modern books spoon-feed u knowledge which I find really comfortable compared to early books
Stephen Hawking is right. Technology wouldn't achieve utopia. the ruling classes lack the willingness to share. technology may make things worse
09:41
No, he didn't say this "about AI automation". He died before the current "AI" hype, he's talking about ordinary automation and the quote is from 2015 in the Huffington Post.
@Slereah how serious were you about being ok with cheating under capitalism?
@ACuriousMind sorry. he meant it for automation in general
09:58
@qwerty entirely
If you need a degree for a basic job for survival and you need to cheat, do it
See
Pikuach nefesh (Hebrew: Χ€Χ™Χ§Χ•Χ— Χ Χ€Χ©), which means "saving a soul" or "saving a life," is the principle in Halakha (Jewish law) that the preservation of human life overrides virtually any other religious rule of Judaism. In the event that a person is in critical danger, most mitzvot become inapplicable if they would hinder the ability to save oneself or someone else. However, there are certain exceptions; some rules and commandments may not be broken under any circumstances and thus may require an act of self-sacrifice. == Origin and interpretation == === Biblical source === The Torah, in Leviticus...
Don't give a shit about academic rules contra survival needs
are you thinking of rather "extreme" scenarios? cos I think that imo universities at the undergraduate level tend to be... rather forgiving with all sorts of valid reasons why someone would do poorly or miss deadlines for example
10:14
@Slereah interesting
i read it Pikachu for a second :P
10:49
I wonder why we write Nambu's name with an "m" instead of an "n". I mean, ok: there are ortographic rules but this is a name
In Japanese there is no "m" sound (there are "m" syllables like "mo" and so on, but no lonely "m", only "n"), so it would be appropriate to call hime Nanbu
(As you can see in the romaji between brackets in the wiki page)
> Traditional Hepburn, as defined in various editions of Hepburn's dictionary, with the third edition (1886)[16] often considered authoritative[17] (although changes in kana usage must be accounted for). It is characterized by the rendering of syllabic n as m before the consonants b, m and p: for example, Shimbashi for ζ–°ζ©‹.
Oh, Hepburn, yes that must be it then
I never got into the details of it, I only knew aboyt long vowels
Although, I'm not so sure because there are more levels of doing that. Romaji should be the same as kana for syllables, just with some - uhm - spelling differences. For example when you have a long o sound, you write ō. When you have an n sound you should write n. I think that transforming n to m is a step further, similar to writing Tōkyō as Tokyo
"Tōkyō" is still Japanese, written in latin characters. "Tokyo" is the English word
Apparently this is messier than I thought. The style that I prefer is known as "wāpuro style" (wāpuro=word processor) and with that style you just write like with kana: ō-->ou or oo
For example that's how you write a word on jisho if you want to use latin characters. I'm not sure other versions work. I would write e.g. Toukyou
11:05
Godel Esher Bach looks like a dense book
what is a range of days I should take to digest this book
i don't want to just read ,but also understand
it has like 800 pages
i haven't read books like this before
Google says author is an illusionist, a philosophy i strongly disagree with. so i don't want to be somehow indoctrinated into illusionism while reading this book. but this book has some stuff that i was looking for. i just don't want illusionism agenda mixed with it. if would be hard to discern
@qwerty I'm not an expert in academics but if you think you need to cheat to get your english major degree, go for it
Maybe don't try to pass off as a surgeon?
Or a nuclear engineer
But I can't be made to care for the devaluation of degrees that are basically already worthless
Also don't tell the school police I told you to do it
@Slereah you know that there are people that think physics degrees (undergrad included) are worthless, right? are you one of them? :p
11:23
I mean they are
If you think you're getting a good job out of it
I have bad news
But overall I'd say in the scenario it's society's job to make sure that people do not feel forced to go to such measures rather than people to not do it
i mean i agree in principle (in addressing the root not the symptom) i just don't think the standards are that high tbh or that systems aren't already flexible enough to cover individual circumstances, at least at the undergraduate level
Well if the standards aren't even that high, are we really losing anything anyway :p
uh, ethics? sense of fairness? baseline trust in the system? (not that I have that much in general... but like, the level of corruption in say Australia is clearly lower than other places)
11:43
Fake rules of ethics
If you have to get an irrelevant degree for even a shot at a job it's basically meaningless
Same for corruption, really
If you can't realistically do anything in a society without corruption I think it's fine to do it
The onus to change the system isn't on people trying to live
No points in my book for martyring yourself in a bad society
but that's kind of the thing really, i don't think that we (in france, aus, etc) are in "that" bad of society, corruption wise, at the moment - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index, and I think it is moral to try to maintain or improve that standard as individuals
I also never buy the "Society isn't that bad" argument either
yes, of course, corrupt stuff happens, there's horrifying things going on, but there is a baseline level of trust in institutions that i dont think we should be taking for granted
It's always to fuck over those same people and never to reign in the people in power
You never see Bezos agreeing to less money because his life ain't so bad
you keep your money in the bank and not in gold or usd under your bed. like, in some places, you don't trust other people with your stuff at all
11:52
i think it is okay to go against ethics if ur morals disagree with them
I mean it's another case of not having much choice :p
morals take precedence
It's not like you can realistically just not have a bank account
I agree it's not great for trust, but also that there are pretty specific class of people responsible :p
Just make it so that it is possible to live a good life without a degree
Or just fix the many many issues with education that are well known
There's no lack
Quand les pauvres n'auront plus rien à manger, ils mangeront les riches
eat the degrees
12:01
Part of the problem is probably just that you have millions of people going in just to Get a Degree to get a job and have no interest for the topic
What do they care for cheating, they never even wanted to know it in the first place
And most of what they learn won't even be useful for the job
maybe it comes from a place of relative privilege but i think that individuals do have choices when it comes to what degree they pick and whether or not they take the moral route of cheating or not cheating
actually im not even that privileged in that regard as i was highly pressured/coerced by my family to not even study physics
Some people do not even want to do a degree at all
more power to them!
And realistically they can't pick any degree
Also if you're cheating to get a business degree, are you really knowing any less than if you studied
Wisdom for the ages
so do you think it's also ok to cheat in primary or secondary school? definitely you can't function in society without attending those
12:15
It's okay to ask chatgpt about the alphabet
What is even after C
there is no c, c=1 /s
Chatgpt is not a big threat imo except that the solution is to have decent class sizes where teachers can actually check on their students
it's not just chatgpt though it's contract cheating
12:42
Is there a lot of contract cheating in primary school
cant find biology chatroom
Anyway
More important matter is
Let's try to figure out the support of a Fourier transform
Political problems rarely last over a century, but Fourier transforms are forever
I think I found the proper terminology
The math people call it a spectral gap
12:57
@Slereah have you read Godel Esher Bach?
@Slereah do you mean the support of the Fourier transform for functions having support in an interval [a,b] on the real line?
@RyderRude I did not
13:18
oh
@qwerty there used to be a world whereby people absolutely did function in society without having passed them.
i think that the set of functions with support in [a,b] have Fourier support on the entire real line in general
@MoreAnonymous have you finished reading Godel Esher Bach?
@qwerty Arguably a child in primary school is not making a moral choice at all and that there could even be the notion of "cheating" there is a failure of the education system itself. Students cheating in secondary school are also mostly a failure of the system
- why do they feel compelled to cheat instead of being free to admit they can't do something? These are kids, they're not doing it because of some cost-benefit computation like Slereah is doing for university students and worthless degrees, they're doing it because they feel pressured to do so.
Primary school child doing contract cheating is not doing it due to the evil in his heart but because he is mommy's special boy
The evil only starts after his Bar Mitzvah
After that it's all on him
@ACuriousMind From what I can find the case of a not-total support only has entire support in the Fourier transform if the wavefunction decays fast enough
Does that mean that for a badly enough behaved wavefunction, you can have some determination of position and some determination of momentum
Even if not down to a compact subset
13:38
I guess you can have some horrible case where you can exclude position and momentum from a compact subset
It's never simple πŸ˜”
You could try to figure out what the Fourier transform for that horrible $L^2$-function is that doesn't decay at infinity
oh btw did ppl see this " Phase behavior of Cacio and Pepe sauce" arxiv.org/abs/2501.00536
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I asked some math people and they told me some tentative examples using fat cantor sets
Not a pleasant case
@qwerty pinging @HerrFeinmann
13:40
haha beat me to it acm
I love you guys ahahhahaha
I did not even know of the existence of the fat cantor set
@Slereah I meant something slightly less pathological, like physics.stackexchange.com/a/75661/50583
Yeah something like that
Guess I'll try to figure something out this weekend
so we are looking for a wavefunction for which some region is zero in both position and momentum space
13:42
And if I don't, I'll just say "The orthomodular lattice is for COMPACT INTERVALS ONLY"
by "region" being zero, I mean any interval being zero
is this an accurate description of the problem
cuz real measurement devices can only measure intervals as they have finite precision
like, a measurement device which measures if a particle position falls between 0-1, between 1-2, between 2-3 or outside
so there are four projection operators associated to this measurement
but if we describe an even more realistic measurement device, then it wouldnt have sharply defined intervals
@qwerty This is great
> Traditionalists would insist on using only pecorino, but some argue that up to 30% Parmesan is acceptable, though this remains a point of debate.
lol xD
i think worth considering in ur problem is that real position measurement devices don't correspond to projection operators belonging to sharply defined regions
so the kind of projection we've been analysing never happens physically
a physical measurement device should be associated with a probability distribution instead of a sharply defined interval
i am imagining an operator of the form $O=\int dx \rho (x) |x \rangle \langle x|$ such that $\rho(x)$ is a probability distribution
then the post measurement state can be $O|\psi\rangle$. this is not a projection as $\rho(x)$ need not vanish
14:02
@RyderRude You haven't understood why Slereah is trying to do this at all, this has nothing to do with how one would model real-world measurement devices.
@qwerty nice
14:14
In mathematics, Volterra's function, named for Vito Volterra, is a real-valued function V defined on the real line R with the following curious combination of properties: V is differentiable everywhere The derivative V β€² is bounded everywhere The derivative is not Riemann-integrable. == Definition and construction == The function is defined by making use of the Smith–Volterra–Cantor set and an infinite number or "copies" of sections of the function defined by f ( x ) = {...
Why is analysis such an ugly science
answer has a mistake or am i wrong
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A: How air humidity affects how much time is needed for heating the air?

John RennieThe heat capacity of humid air is approximately given by: $$ C_p = 1.005 + 1.82H $$ where 1.005 kJ/kgΒ°C is the heat capacity of dry air, 1.82 kJ/kgΒ°C the heat capacity of water vapor, and H is the absolute humidity in kg water vapor per kg dry air in the mixture. So the specific heat capacity o...

that's specific humidity, not absolute
absolute humidity is in g/cubic meters (note that is pretty obvious from the link itself..)
@Slereah because all the beauty is in algebra ;)
oh, no it's correct, there are 2 definitions of absolute humidity (one pretty much same as sp humidity.), but tbh I don't think the one used therein it's a common one
meow
The continuum was a mistake
I am going back to Pythagoreanism
14:22
@misternobody If you think an answer has a mistake or could be written better, feel free to leave a comment on it or propose an edit
Hellooooo~
meow
i had a dream i got accepted to nyu
and then i woke up
@Slereah you can start a new movement like the luddites but against analysis instead of technology
@SillyGoose I mean this already exists
Divine Proportions: Rational Trigonometry to Universal Geometry is a 2005 book by the mathematician Norman J. Wildberger on a proposed alternative approach to Euclidean geometry and trigonometry, called rational trigonometry. The book advocates replacing the usual basic quantities of trigonometry, Euclidean distance and angle measure, by squared distance and the square of the sine of the angle, respectively. This is logically equivalent to the standard development (as the replacement quantities can be expressed in terms of the standard ones and vice versa). The author claims his approach holds...
Hello Goose and Allie :)
14:30
hi tobias
today i am going to LEARN
and READ and ABSORB
:d go for it
i wish this article wasnt in german tho
haha which article?
Zur Theorie der Kernmassen by Weizsacker
@Slereah I wonder what Wildberger thinks of beans
14:34
some say he has a golden calf
i can try google translate i guess
Or you can learn academic german ;D
It makes me a bit sad that Pythagoras was able to start a cult after learning some basic arithmetic and geometry in Egypt
No such reverence for math these days
there is the ultrafinitist cult
You just haven’t found the right followers
14:37
Anyone else sympathise with ultrafinistism?
the first time I read about them the article called them crazy
@ACuriousMind yeah i can't comment, and am unsure whether it's right, so i was discussing it
"empirically disgraceful mass defects" sounds kinda harsh...
@RyderRude no .. but I read a lot of it and saw some of the YouTube lecture series
@MoreAnonymous oh
@Allie The OCR copy-paste there is quite bad - it should be bekannten and not "bekarmten" (that's not a word). It's supposed to mean "empirically known mass defects"
14:41
@MoreAnonymous can the ideas in the book fit with idealism?
disgraceful is funnier
but thanks :P
no debate there
Why do people not like statistical mechanics
it seems very similar to qft in that it is impossible to understand. But people eat qft up for breakfast lunch and dinner
QFT is considered weird
I think statistical mechanics also had its hour of glory when it was first around?
i dislike stat mech because I don't like having ensembles and studying emergent phenomena in the extreme sense
14:46
@RyderRude not sure I never fundamentally understood idealism
@MoreAnonymous Ghosts
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it is just personal taste. i am interested in fundamental physics instead of emergent physics
@MoreAnonymous oh
@MoreAnonymous idealism denies that the world is a computer. the world is fundamentally mental in idealism (but u can ignore what this means for now. the important part is the first sentence)
Yeah that's how Kant described it
"Ach, das welt ist kein computer"
@RyderRude um .. I read GEB a long time ago.. it was about how the self can arise from recursion in some ways ...
14:49
@SillyGoose Given that many people choose freely to do statistical mechanics, I don't think it's the case that "people" dislike statistical mechanics :P
yes. i am afraid the author believes in illusionism. this sounds like illusionism @MoreAnonymous
It's certainly a much less common topic for non-physicists
Although the pop science crowd certainly loves to talk about entropy
Google also says he is an illusionist and he does computer science a lot too
Very important to talk about a lot of things from the existence of God to the decadence of the west
Lacking attraction to pop science is a positive point I would say though
Rheologists don't have to deal with this
@MoreAnonymous but I will still check out his ideas. apparently, Bernardo also liked his ideas apart from the "self arises through computation" stuff
maybe he has some other content too which doesn't rely on illusionism
14:52
I can tell you why I didn't like it: None of the ways in which it was presented to me ever made any sense to me :P Why should the world be governed by some random probability distributions or seemingly ill-defined waffling about "macrostates"? (I understand now much of the motivations for this, but the intro courses that tried to sell me on it were not good at presenting any kind of coherent story :P)
That's because it's a subfield of thermodynamics
It's traditional to explain things badly in thermo
Isn't it odd that kilograms isn't cancelled in this formula :-(

https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/46706/469760
@MoreAnonymous we also discussed a Buddhism philosophy a while back. it was based on emptiness. i also want to learnt that
it is from Nagarjuana
@misternobody What do you mean? The two "numbers" in that formula have dimensions of heat capacity, and the absolute humidity $H$ is measured in kg/kg, i.e. it's dimensionless. So both summands have dimensions of heat capacity. Where is the problem?
@Slereah it's like :64716608:
oh no
14:57
R has kilograms, but I now understood that it's cancelled with Joules @ACuriousMind
it is based on all things being empty and having no intrinsic characteristics, which is kind of the opposite of idealism, but it still sounds interesting
meow
I was asking bc i'm calculating the speed of sound with sensors, trying to use the effect of humidity, and so far the last calculation is off
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