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3:28 AM
@ACuriousMind Exactly, They work with Aliens and Reverse Engineer their technology. Manhattan Project was deliberately kept away from public. 😅😋
 
 
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5:52 AM
At last something good!
3B1B
 
 
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Sorry it's out of context but does anyone know how to use mathjax on blogger posts?
@JohanLiebert saw this in my feed yesterday. Is it good?
 
Todorov
Oops
Wrong window
 
8:47 AM
@Korra yes indeed. 3B1B is one of the best YouTube channels to learn mathematics. Also his contents are well researched.
 
9:42 AM
@JohnRennie Mohammad Javanshiry has been a member of Physics.SE for 3½ years, and has almost 1000 rep, so he isn't a newbie. ;) OTOH, he is a bit of a maverick, but he doesn't seem to be on a mission to promote non-mainstream stuff...
 
@PM2Ring huh? I VTC'd as a homework question.
The question is just using the Rindler coordinates so it is entirely mainstream. But it is homework.
 
@JohanLiebert I have seen some of his videos and one which was in collaboration with minute physics and explaining a derivation of Kepler's law from Feynman's lectures. Two of my favourite things combined, I loved it. Though there is so much misinformation on the topic of coronavirus that I am bit skeptical as to what he will say.
And I successfully used mathjax on blogger
 
@JohnRennie Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that that question is non-mainstream. But yeah, it is definitely homework-like. OTOH, the OP may be able to transform it into a conceptual question. IMHO, I don't think it's a basic Rindler question: the acceleration abruptly commences an instant after the light is emitted.
 
I must admit that I'm not sure what happens the instant you start accelerating. The Rindler coordinates are stationary i.e. they assume the observer has always been accelerating. But as far as I know the Rindler horizon appears instantly i.e. light emitted from the horizon distance at the moment you start accelerating can never reach you.
 
Some of Mohammad J's answers have a non-mainstream feel to them though. And his book title sounds a little controversial... physics.stackexchange.com/users/127415/mohammad-javanshiry
 
9:55 AM
My view would be that the change to the Rindler geometry is instantaneous.
 
@JohnRennie I agree, but I'm not completely clear on how the transition plays out. Most of the Rindler stuff I've read assumes the coords are stationary, although they occasionally say stuff like the horizon vanishes when you stop accelerating.
FWIW, Greg Egan wrote a nice article using Rindler coords as a way of approximating the problem of dangling a rope over a BH event horizon. gregegan.net/SCIENCE/Rindler/RindlerHorizon.html
 
sir @JohnRennie what, may I ask, is your interpretation of the quote, "Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them."?
 
For ages now I've had an article at the back of my mind on comparing the Rindler and Schwarzschild coordinates as a way to understand the coordinate singularity in the latter. One day I will write it ...
 
pardon the interruption :-)
 
@skullpatrol Only Von Neumann knows exactly what he meant. My interpretation would be that in mathematics (unlike physics) axioms are arbitrary i.e. unrelated to any fundamental assumptions about the universe.
That means you cannot understand an axiom in the sense we might understand the claim that the speed of light is invariant. The axiom is just assumed and you have to get used to it.
 
10:10 AM
I see.
 
However, that is a relatively modern attitude. Before the development of non-Euclidean geometry, it was generally accepted that Euclid's axioms are fundamental universal truths. Algebra was on metaphysically shakier ground, and mathematicians tended to be suspicious of anything that couldn't be reduced to geometry. Hence every proof in Newton's Principia is given geometrically.
 
10:26 AM
When I was in my early teens, my maths teacher had memorized the first 40 decimal places of pi. So I decided to memorize 50 places. :) A few years later I extended that to 100 places. But then I thought "Hang on! Why get obsessed over pi? I don't really understand the much simpler irrationals, like sqrt(2) yet".
Sure, I could easily prove that root 2 is irrational, but did I really understand it? 45 or so years later, I feel very familiar with root 2 and other irrational square roots, quadratic fields, Pell's equation, etc, but I can't really claim that I fully understand that stuff. :)
 
Have you ever watched the Mathologer videos on Youtube?
He talks about lots of interesting aspects of number theory.
 
@JohnRennie No. I mostly just watch music clips on YouTube (and I don't have a large monthly data allowance, so I have to ration myself). But since yoy recommend it, I will have a look at the Mathologer stuff.
 
For example I have just watched a video where he explains how all irrational numbers can be written as an infinitely continued fraction, which I found fascinating.
 
10:46 AM
@JohnRennie Continued fractions are great. I wish I'd learned about them when I first encountered irrationals.
 
11:29 AM
Oh shit
Just realized that the transfer principle only works for first-order statements
 
 
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1:05 PM
@JohnRennie Not only that, you can even write $\pi$ in continued fraction, or any function which has an Taylor infinite series can be written in form of Continued fraction.
@bolbteppa Happy Holi sir :)
 
1:39 PM
One of the best DDOI I have seen.
 
Very polite
 
@PM2Ring In grade 8 we had a math teacher tell us there would be a bonus question on the quiz, and you would get points based on how many digits of pi you memorized (1 point per 3 digits or something). A friend of mine was bored one night and wound up memorizing like ~40 digits or something. The teacher realized that going forward, he would need to put a max limit on the bonus points.
 
2:00 PM
@Slereah which funny book? name please....
@JMac XD
@JohanLiebert Happy Holi Bro :)
 
2:15 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha That is still theoretical. We have no evidence for nor against the multiverse
This veritasum video is actually pretty accurate at conveying what many worlds interpretation is
it also gives me a new question to think about, which might also be relevant to Bohmians as well
Why the universal wavefunction branches never ever known to interact with each other, as in, why there are no known instances where branches get entangled, or more extremely, get evolved under a nonlocal hamiltonian that transform multiple branches at the same time
And also, why there is a global hamitonian for the whole universe. How does it get in there
(The bohmian analogue is: Can nonlocality arises from an initial pilot wave that is local everywhere, can you have a velocity field whose initial condition are local (and hence no superluminal parts) but then suddenly develop superluminal interactions as it evolve under the bohm equation? What are the conditions for the emergence of superluminality)
 
3:01 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha happy holi!
 
@Secret This video may reduce brain cells I disagree with the video. Physics don't work that way.
@JohanLiebert Thanks brother :)
People say that superimposition of Wave Function is because of infinite parallel universe.
^Total nonsense.
Superposition is required because there is no definite path of electron. Why electrons don't have definite paths? I believe that is because of macroscopic disturbances . Since, a very minute disturbance in macroscopic world is enough to affect at quantum levels. These disturbances create randomness and those randomness is the reason for the wave function and superposition.
One can argue about wave nature of Quantum Objects. But, to be clear, I believe that there is a kind of radiation/wave emitted by Quantum Objects whose intensity is inversely proportional to the size of the object (Like Gravity is directly proportional to mass). So, these waves are emitted each time from the quantum objects in all directions. When they, interfere, the electron tends to move the way where these waves are maximum.
What I'm more interested is that, the question Are these waves faster than speed of light? These can only be determined using experiments, ofc, if this is true, then we just found a way to send messages to future ourselves by creating extremely smaller particles, which are billion and billions of times smaller than photons.
Anyways, on may ask, if these disturbances thing is real, then proton (charged particle) and neutron (neutral particle) must show different kind of noise from the disturbances. But, we must remember that neutron may not be a charged particle but it really interacts a lot of things other than charged particle.
A neutrino is more neutral than neutron. It's is so because it travels in straight lines is a proof that it doesn't interacts with most of the things unlike neutron.
Abhas' Hypothesis $\blacksquare$
@JohnRennie Hello sir.
 
3:23 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha hi :-)
 
@JohnRennie I'm reading Lagrangian formulation of General Relativity of EFE.
 
@JohnRennie sir I have to ask something.
 
@JohanLiebert yes ... ?
 
@bolbteppa Check my previous message... A lot of Hypothesis.
 
3:27 PM
@JohnRennie sir my friend's father died recently. I have come to know of it today. He is at his village home. I had to call him for giving him holi greetings but now I don't know what to say. What should I do sir?
 
Just speak to him normally. He's the same guy you have always known so speak to him like you always have done. Tell him "I'm really sorry to hear about your loss" and if he wants to discuss it then discuss it. If not, carry on as normal.
 
@JohanLiebert That's very sensitive. Sorry to hear about your friend. I'd not suggest you to greet him for Holi. You may call him tomorrow and do that.
@JohanLiebert Don't discuss about that.
@JohanLiebert That's so sad. :(
 
@AbhasKumarSinha yes that's what I was thinking.
I would call him tomorrow and talk as usual.
 
@JohanLiebert Calling him now at night would not be appropriate, Give him time to recover, Also, don't send a happy holi message, because it was not happy. Be neutral.
 
OTOH I think it would be best if I meet him personally, with some other friends?
 
3:32 PM
@JohanLiebert I'd suggest you making note copies for your friend. It may help him as he'd miss his classes from now. (As I did last year.)
@JohanLiebert personally
Conversation may go wrong if you meet with friends.
 
@JohnRennie hi.
 
@YuvrajSingh... Happy Holi :)
 
@YuvrajSingh... hi :-)
 
@AbhasKumarSinha thanks same to you!
 
@YuvrajSingh... Thanks bhai :)
 
3:33 PM
@JohnRennie actually I was watching a train video. A video which depict how train stop (mean how brakes applies).
 
@YuvrajSingh... Party? Popcorn? what?
@YuvrajSingh... charges and magnetism.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha everything!
 
@YuvrajSingh... yes ... ?
 
@AbhasKumarSinha no the other friend is sensitive and he was sorry to hear that. We decided that we should meet him at his hostle so that we can support him, rather than having awkward conversation on phone.
 
@JohnRennie so
 
3:35 PM
@JohanLiebert If this is so, then it's better to meet together. (You know that better than me)
@YuvrajSingh... everything matlab?
 
What the videos says it was the engine how stops the moving carriages which has more velocity during the deacceleration.
@JohnRennie but when the emergency brakes is applied train stops within one second.
 
@YuvrajSingh... I'm fairly certain the carriages have brakes as well. So it isn't just the engine stopping the train.
 
@JohnRennie Indian trains?
 
@JohnRennie yes.!
But?
@AbhasKumarSinha they have!
 
@YuvrajSingh... Okay... Never saw them. Usually train slows and stops.
 
3:39 PM
@JohnRennie but if engines wheel are fail.
And I apply carriage brake will the engine at top speed will stopped?
@AbhasKumarSinha my friend had colored me in such way, I think it going to take a week to remove the colour!
 
@YuvrajSingh... lol
 
@YuvrajSingh... I have no idea I'm afraid. I know almost nothing about how trains are designed.
 
hahaha^
@JohnRennie Sir, do you know how do engines work?
Aeroplane engines^
 
@AbhasKumarSinha lol, luckily I they had not colored me that much!
 
My guess is that trains are designed so they can still stop safely even if the engine or some of the other carriages have brake failures.
 
3:42 PM
@Semiclassical Good Evening sir.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha jet engines?
 
@YuvrajSingh... heheh
@JohnRennie Yes sir, how they work?
@Semiclassical SIr, do you know General Relativity?
 
Other wise I need to have skin surgery!
 
3:42 PM
@JohnRennie they certainly have.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha only in very general terms.
 
@YuvrajSingh... plastic surgery is enough!
@JohnRennie Thermodyanamics or Chemistry?
 
@JohnRennie what I was thinking about friction.
 
not beyond the qualitative "spacetime is curved due to the presence of matter, and matter moves along the curvature of spacetime"
 
@Semiclassical I also know that.
 
3:43 PM
i don't know the actual math needed for it
 
@Semiclassical Matter tends to take shortest path in Curved spacetime
 
@JohnRennie will the friction magnitude and direction will be same for all the coaches?
 
@Semiclassical Just Tensor Calculus and Physics and Manifolds and chart/Topology
 
hence why I'd say I don't know GR
 
@AbhasKumarSinha when will you exam finish!
 
3:44 PM
@Semiclassical Okay sir. You told you know No Go Theorems?
@YuvrajSingh... 21st
 
@YuvrajSingh... don't know
 
no.
i'm aware of them, but I know nothing technical about them.
 
@YuvrajSingh... no but yes.
@Semiclassical Okay sir...
 
@JohnRennie sorry for such absurd question!
Actually video was much interesting, so that create some stupid question inside me.
 
@YuvrajSingh... If I were you, I'd have too asked that.
@JohnRennie Sir, check out from page 73: archive.org/details/TheLargeScaleStructureOfSpaceTime/page/n73/… I'm not able to get anything, it's very complicated for me. :P Would take an hour or more to cover next 5 pages.
 
3:50 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha that's not a beginner's book. Unless you already know GR well you're not going to make head nor tail of it.
 
@JohnRennie I already completed 72 pages :P Used R Wald as reference.
@JohnRennie Affine Geodestics were hardest part....
 
@JohnRennie I was searching some book on photonic.
?
Do you have any reference?
 
@YuvrajSingh... I've my friend, PhD from IITK, working in CERN, Switzerland, doing research on NanoPhonetics.
I dun know what that means^
 
nanophonetics or nanophotonics
 
@Semiclassical Are they different? I dun know. :P
@YuvrajSingh... Search Archieve Library, it has a lot of useful stuff on that.
 
3:57 PM
phonetics: the study and classification of speech sounds.
photonics: the branch of technology concerned with the properties and transmission of photons, for example in fiber optics.
 
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Q: Would a small radio (RF) chip be able to communicate through a stainless steel tank?

Andrew RooneyMy team is building a vacuum chamber out of stainless steel. We will be putting components into the chamber and recording temperature/pressure etc. values with an Arduino. My question is whether we would be able to use a small RF module to transmit the values out of the tank so that we don't hav...

 
@Semiclassical Okay sir :)
 
Is this on topic? Sounds engineering?
 
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@JohnRennie Why?
 
3:58 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha go easy with the book pirating links.
 
@JohnRennie Okay... didn't know that a university website also has pirated books ...
 
if it's a pdf of an entire published book, it's probably not legit (unless posted on the author's own website)
 
@JohnRennie Can you explain Affine Geodestics?
 
I'm not terribly scrupulous about such matters myself, but I understand wanting to keep it out of chat
 
@Semiclassical Okay... I just googled them tho.
 
4:01 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha no
 
@JohnRennie Okay sir... :)
 
(by legit I don't mean "accurate", I mean "authorized by the author". the pdf is presumably an accurate copy of the book, but it's probably not being hosted with the author's permission)
 
@Semiclassical okay...
 
(I've actually met Robert Wald, at a small conference. I'm not a GR guy so it wasn't a big deal for me)
 
@Semiclassical That's great sir :)
@Secret see what I wrote there^^
before that^
 
4:17 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha sounds like a variant of Bohm except the pilot waves emitted are proportional to size
 
@Secret Link?
 
But if that is true, then we will expect double slits performed by neutrons to give brighter fringes than that of electrons since by your model, electrons will emit pilot waves of lower amplitude
but that is not what is experimentally seen
the intensities are similar
 
58 mins ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
Anyways, on may ask, if these disturbances thing is real, then proton (charged particle) and neutron (neutral particle) must show different kind of noise from the disturbances. But, we must remember that neutron may not be a charged particle but it really interacts a lot of things other than charged particle.
57 mins ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
A neutrino is more neutral than neutron. It's is so because it travels in straight lines is a proof that it doesn't interacts with most of the things unlike neutron.
@Secret These explain Neutrino capture experiments too.
 
better example: photon double slits and electron double slits show no difference in intensity of fringes
yet photon is smaller than an electron obviously
(because one is massless while the other is not)
 
@Secret that intensity is different from pilot wave/radiation.
Pilot wave/radiation is in all directions and intensity isn't caused due to that.
@Secret see, it explains everything/
 
4:21 PM
> When they, interfere, the electron tends to move the way where these waves are maximum.
how is that not just a superposition of pilot waves?
what is "intensity" then?
 
Intensity is inversely prop to size
 
what is it physically, what is its observable?
if it is not the probability amplitude, what is it?
 
@Secret pilot waves/radiations are not physically observable.
@Secret pilot waves have no direct significance on amplitudes of it.
1 hour ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
What I'm more interested is that, the question Are these waves faster than speed of light? These can only be determined using experiments, ofc, if this is true, then we just found a way to send messages to future ourselves by creating extremely smaller particles, which are billion and billions of times smaller than photons.
 
but probabilities are observables, and you also get that from interference of pilot waves
 
@Secret yes, so, what?
 
4:24 PM
But you said intensities are not probabilities
 
@Secret interference of pilot waves is the reason for probability amplitudes and it's the reason for probability.
@Secret Imagine Quantum Objects as bats and emitting Radar waves in all directions.
@Secret it's true for all quantum objects.
But also, it smashes out existence of infinite parallel universe.
 
yeah, so from that you end up with interference patterns where the peak intensity will be proportional to size of the object, but what we saw experimentally is those peak intensities have nothing to do with the size of the objects
and hence that disproves your hypothesis
 
@Secret How? which peak intensity you are talking about? that photographs of patterns of slit experiments?
 
yes, because that is what we measured
that is the observable
and gives the probability
 
@Secret That intensity is given by number of electrons/protons fired. Otherwise the amplitude is not visible.
 
4:31 PM
that has nothing to do with the size of the particle then
 
@Secret That has! See Electron and Photons, you'll see they are same in both cases.
@Secret Oh I understand your problem now.
No pIlot wave intensity cannot be measured through slit experiment.
 
then there isn't anything to experimentally tell apart between your model and bohmian mechanics
 
@Secret Actually, pilot waves are not even waves! :P They are just fluid like things which travel and interfere. But, yeah it has to be wave to interfere.
 
From what you have said so far, there seemed to be no experimental way to test this:
> Anyways, on may ask, if these disturbances thing is real, then proton (charged particle) and neutron (neutral particle) must show different kind of noise from the disturbances. But, we must remember that neutron may not be a charged particle but it really interacts a lot of things other than charged particle.
since you say the intensity is not measurable
 
@Secret I guess I need to refine my theory a bit more.
But, I'll stick to this part.
1 hour ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
One can argue about wave nature of Quantum Objects. But, to be clear, I believe that there is a kind of radiation/wave emitted by Quantum Objects whose intensity is inversely proportional to the size of the object (Like Gravity is directly proportional to mass). So, these waves are emitted each time from the quantum objects in all directions. When they, interfere, the electron tends to move the way where these waves are maximum.
inversely proportional thing.
 
4:38 PM
yeah, that's the ontology, nothing wrong with that. To make your model falisifiable you need to provide a way to test for this inversely proportionality
 
@Secret okay
@Secret Do you know GR?
 
I suck at GR
 
@Secret Thanks, I'm not alone.
@Secret What are you reading now?
 
5:09 PM
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Q: Can someone tell what are primitive translation vectors for BCC lattice?

user10339666I referred internet and two very renowned books ( Puri-Babbar and SO PILLAI ). COULDN'T find any primitive translation vector explanation for BCC or FCC. Eventually when I moved on to Reciprocal Lattices for BCC lattice. I saw a rhombohedron being used to explain the BCC translation vector. Thre...

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5:26 PM
tidying up philosophy
 
6:03 PM
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Q: Placing a steel disk inside a non-ferrous pan using an inductive stove

Brian MichalkI have an inductive stove, and some very large pots that don't work on the stove. It seems that the material is invisible to the induction coil, and if I were to place a steel disk inside the pot, then that steel disk would act as a heating element. Would this work? This would be for liquids, ...

 
6:33 PM
is there a quick and easy way to download all of the commit messages made for a repository on github? (maybe save them as a pdf or something, with dates?)
 
@heather If you clone the repo you also clone all the commit messages, no?
 
well yeah, but i just want like...a pdf of the commit messages, if that makes any sense
 
If you want them nicely formatted you can call git log on your local clone, see stackoverflow.com/q/22094822/3929857
 
ah, perfect
thank you
should've thought of doing it off my clone instead of off of github
 
 
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ABC
8:53 PM
Guys I have a doubt

How this definition $\integral_a^b A(x(t),y(t)) x'(t) + B(x(t),y(t))y'(t) dt $ is linked to concept of $ F* cos(\theta) * ds$

The only thing that I can't see is the $cos(\theta)$ in the first formula, where is this concept? How the first formula take the tangential component from curve?
It's thanks to derivation? If yes, why ?
$\\ \\$

$\int_a^b A(x(t),y(t))\ x'(t) + B(x(t),y(t)) \ y'(t) dt $

(Correction about First formula)***
 
9:38 PM
the first integral is equivalent to $\int_a^b \vec{F}\cdot \vec{v}\,dt$ where $\vec{F}=(A,B)$ and $\vec{v}=(x',y')$.
But the velocity vector can also be written as $\vec{v}=d\vec{s}/dt$
 
ABC
thanks!
 
(the real trick is that F*cos(theta)*ds keeps the variable dependence all implicit, whereas the former is all explicit. so while the former looks more complicated, the latter actually conceals quite a bit)
 
ABC
9:53 PM
Yes I understand what you are saying. I'm agree with you
 
 
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10:57 PM
hey :)
In my physics notes, this is the illustration for triplet states:
and for the singlet state:
what I don't get about this is that
If I measure Sz, I destroy all the information about Sx and Sy
so the direction of the arrows in the x (horizontal) direction is totally meaningless
and if it is, then what is the difference between the middle triplet state, and the singlet state?
my reasoning is the following: I have 4 degree of freedom, particle 1 is spin up or down, particle 2 is spin up or down, so I rather have 4 eigenfunctions for total spin operator, I start from up up, apply lowering operator, get to up down PLUS down up, apply lowering operator again, get to down down. These are 3 states. I realize that if I introduce up down MINUS down up, than that's a state orthogonal to all the previous one, so that's what I need, and I'm gonna call that the singlet state.
Is there more to the story than this? Am I right that the arrows are meaningless? (To be honest I am probably not, lecture notes are pretty good)
 
11:28 PM
huh, classes canceled because of COVID. now exams are takehome
not sure how to feel about it considering COVID is getting very worrisome in my home state, risky to go back
 

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