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3:56 AM
@NovaliumCompany Actuality is all that exists
Contrast that with possibility and impossibility
it has no sufficient nor necessary relation to do with the senses
 
 
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5:07 AM
@JohnRennie I have a question
 
5:47 AM
@Akash.B hi :-)
 
@EmilioPisanty OK. Thank you.
 
6:18 AM
@JohnRennie Could you please look at your Facebook whenever you are free :---)
 
 
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7:31 AM
So, I have been thinking about a very basic form of self consistent time travel recently:
Consider the above time travel scheme, which denotes a time traveler teaching the past people on how to use a future tech in order to accelerate the advancement of civillisation
So, his journey begins from B, go back to A to introduce tech b. This leads to an advancement so that C results 3 minutes later as measured in his time. He then deliver tech c and repeat the game until he is at E
But logically, something interesting happens. In order to uphold self consistency, it means each subsequent time travel will fix the events at points B,C,... and possibly all key events that B,C,.. depends on
that means, for any given point within the interval AB, there are less possible number of futures
If we zoom all the way down to the microscopic level, that seemed to place constraints on the degrees of freedom of where particles and interactions can be, so in a way we actually end up with less microstates for the things within AB, and hence a decrease in entropy
If we treat the whole timeline as a closed system, that seemed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, thus time travelling may actually cost energy because its effective outcome is constraining the possibilities of sections of the timeline
Well I guess in a GR scenario, everything should be fine since the loops are all there, thus a suitable energy momentum tensor can bend spacetime to have CTCs already nested in that fashion, in that case we don't have a change in entropy globally speaking
But potentially, for a theory where spacetime topology can change, then creating predestination paradoxes by introducing loops in the topology of this manifold can end up constraining regions of spacetime, so in a way it will lower the entropy at that region if we consider the system as an ensemble of all possible spacetime geometries
Thus if we have an ensemble of spacetimes and the starting one is a flat spacetime, it seems to have the largest degrees of freedom for energy momentum to distribute around in its future evolution, whereas the more topologically complicated a spacetime become, the less degrees of freedom it has in predicting its future state
 
8:04 AM
@SirCumference A pretty simple GAN with 100 pictures can do it. You need to wait overnight for results.
@Secret Very interesting. I'd like to hear more.
 
8:25 AM
Is the following self-Q&A on-topic here? (Both Q and A are one line as of now):
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Q: What is the Lowest point of gravity on the earth map

Nilupul Heshanwhat is the lowest gravity point on the earth surface and where is it exactly on the map...

 
9:15 AM
In physics, you have dark matter and dark energy as dark stuff
In metaphysics you have...
Dark stuff that we don't even have idea what it could be
 
9:44 AM
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A: Is the Planck length Lorentz invariant?

Ted BunnA possible answer to the last part of the question: the article Six Easy Roads to the Planck Scale, Adler, Am. J. Phys., 78, 925 (2010) contains multiple "derivations" that you might (or might not) find more satisfactory than the one you mention. As far as the rest of the question is concerned, ...

The link there is dead. Needs a new one.
@GuruVishnu as it stands it is too narrow and doesn't help much. So should be deleted.
 
Morning
 
@JohanLiebert easily fixed :-)
 
10:08 AM
@JohnRennie I came up with the name of my product - Facebook
 
there seems to be very little work done on the injectivity radius of a spacetime
Where is 0celo7 when you need him
That's his kind of shit
 
11:06 AM
See, I'd like to disagree with String Theory, and have a very great idea.
Quantum Mechanics can easily be formulated using Plank's Constant. Right?
Plank's Constant varies for different Frames of reference.
Using Lorentz Transformation to get Plank's Length $\hbar$ in different frames of reference.
Then, convert it into tensoral Notation.
Modify Einstein Field Equations to substitute $\hbar$ from Schrodinger's equation.
Newer Equation would look something like this.
$$ - \frac{H^{\mu} \ocross H_{u}}{2m} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} \psi + V \psi = E \psi $$
where $H$ is some tensor substituted from Einstein Field Equations.
This way, it'd work for both macroscopic and microscopic form, in other words, generalizations of QM and GR.
Now, I'm looking a way to add Particle Physics here.
Sorry, Equation would look like this:
$$ - \frac{ H^{\mu} \otimes H^{u} }{2m} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} \psi + V \psi = E \psi $$
Only @JohnRennie can do that.
 
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@NovaliumCompany What if the person in that photo exists and he has just not seen that his photo is being shown as the photo of a person who doesn't exist............
 
@FakeMod Whatever you imagine is real - Pabolo Picasso
 
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@AbhasKumarSinha Or is it? * Vsauce music starts playing *
 
11:22 AM
Hey, does anyone know of any approximate functional forms that I could use to fit to variable star data?
 
@Slereah Do you know any proof/argument in String Theory/QM about Existence of Parallel Universe? I remember, I watched Stephen Hawking's Nat Geo show where he claims that M-Theory predicted existence of parallel universe. A theoretical proof would be appreciated.
Not a big fan of Vsauce. Interstellar was more scientific movie. :P XD
@BetaDecay Didn't get your question.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Basically I've got some magnitudes of a variable star as it changes over time, and I'm trying to see if I can fit a curve to it
More specifically, it's a semi-variable star with at least two different periods
 
I mean your question is more related to regression, is it?
You want to fit a curve of a function?
 
Yeah
I just need to find a function that makes physical sense
 
Function of how many variables?
 
11:27 AM
That would depend on the function
At the moment I'm fitting two sines which have five free variables
 
That's easy if it's $x \in \mathbb R^n$ and y as dependent variable, such that $y \in \mathbb R$
Does it has one dependent variable?
You can easily approximate upto the required accuracy if that's the case^
@BetaDecay ^
 
I mean the actual fitting isn't the problem, I just need an analytic form of the magnitude of a variable star
 
user434058
Try Desmos.
 
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If you already haven't.....
 
@BetaDecay Can you write example function? it'd make my job easier.
 
11:29 AM
What do you mean?
 
user434058
It works pretty nicely, enter the data set, enter the type of function you want to pass through it, and voila....
 
Example of the kind of function like $f(x_1, x_2,. \dots, x_n)= y$?
 
That's what I'm trying to find
 
Then it's easy one liner.
 
It is?
 
11:32 AM
just wait a sec, I'm writing the formula.
$$ \hat \beta = (X^TX)^{-1}X^T Y $$
 
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@BetaDecay Try this cubic regression example on Desmos.
 
The function is $\hat \beta X = f(x_1, x_2, \dots. x_n)$
 
Actually nvm, I suspect that an analytic form doesn't exist
The curves are way too varied
 
@BetaDecay You may check Page 31 of Elements of Statistical Learning By Trevor, Fridman
 
user434058
You can always add more terms to make it better untill it suits your purpose
 
11:35 AM
@BetaDecay Yes, it's analytical way
Also called Polynomial Regression in Machine Learning.
You are given Sparse points and you generate smooth curve from it.
In statistics, polynomial regression is a form of regression analysis in which the relationship between the independent variable x and the dependent variable y is modelled as an nth degree polynomial in x. Polynomial regression fits a nonlinear relationship between the value of x and the corresponding conditional mean of y, denoted E(y |x). Although polynomial regression fits a nonlinear model to the data, as a statistical estimation problem it is linear, in the sense that the regression function E(y | x) is linear in the unknown parameters that are estimated from the data. For this reason...
It's so powerful that it can be used for non polynomial functions too, like sine, cosine curves.
 
@FakeMod I want to be adding two periodic functions of different frequency to demonstrate whether the minimum (of Betelgeuse in this case) is due to the convergence of two variability cycles or not
So a polyfit isn't going to work
@AbhasKumarSinha I'm using chi-squared minimisation for this
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Don't worry too much about parallel universes until you understand this one
 
I'm afraid, I don't use Chi-Squared functions. I never used them.... Most of the cases Squared Errors or Variational Calculus works for me.
 
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@BetaDecay No prob, again Desmos is the go-to guy.
 
@Slereah No one can understand one universe without parallel universe because nature loves symmetry.
 
11:40 AM
@FakeMod I've tried two sine functions, but the fit suggests that Betelgeuse will vary between -300 mag and +600 mag in the span of 1000 days
So evidently a sine does not work
 
@BetaDecay You use Python? Then there is a mathematical library in Tensorflow (dun know which function), I saw in youtube, which does all the job automatically.
@BetaDecay Use $e^{p(x)}$, it's a much better performer.
 
The code I'm using is fine
 
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@BetaDecay Keep on adding more sines, (of course with some extraordinary insight), and you'll soon get your function
 
May as well just fourier transform my data at this rate lol
 
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I am specifically talking about sines because you wanta periodic function, or else there are many other functions as well
 
11:43 AM
@BetaDecay Give me sparse points, I'll give you function.
 
It's fine, I'll work it out myself
 
I'd have to go...
Bye :)
 
Although I know that the function I'm trying to fit won't work
 
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@BetaDecay In the end, you are gonna obtain a Fourier-ized version of your target function which then you can (I am joking)..........Anti Fourier-ize.
 
The dimming of Betelgeuse is almost certainly dust
So I'd need to model the outgassing of Betelgeuse which is well above my level of expertise
 
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11:44 AM
Just joking, but try using Bezier curves.....
 
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@BetaDecay Use a software like Adobe Illustrator, but then you won't get the function....
 
user434058
You would surely get a graph/pic
 
@FakeMod I wouldn't get a chi-squared value either haha
 
user434058
No you won't :(
 
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11:47 AM
Or would you? * Enter Vsauce music *
 
I mean this is my fit so far
But it makes no physical sense
 
user434058
@BetaDecay But why do you want it to make any physical sense?
 
user434058
After all not everything makes sense......
 
There's not much point of fitting a random curve if it won't tell you anything about the physics
 
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@BetaDecay But you don't always get something outof your experimental data, and this might be one of those cases, however that doesn't mean that it is not worth trying....
 
11:51 AM
A fit that predicts that Betelgeuse could outshine the Sun is definitely wrong though
Right, I gotta go to my lecture
 
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@BetaDecay And sometimes you might need to create something new (I am using the word loosely here) to predict something new. But only do that when you strongly believe that the "new" thing is correct and better than the old one....
 
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BTW, Don't take me seriously, I am just a random 16 y/o kid (well not really a kid though, a teen)......;P
 
user434058
whyamistillhere??
 
user434058
How do I remove space between two characters in MathJax?
 
12:41 PM
use "\," in mathjax
 
@FakeMod Hey, Vsauce Michael here
 
1:18 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha that's not a valid tensor equation and just randomly inserting things into equations is almost certainly going to fail without some proper justification
 
@bolbteppa That's not even a equation, I was just giving some rough idea.
 
My understanding is this multiverse stuff stems from the many-worlds "interpretation" of quantum mechanics which looks like a misunderstanding of qm
 
@bolbteppa Good evening sir :)
 
Empty time is just higher time derivative steady state changes my mind
 
@bolbteppa Sir, I mostly disagree with many world interpretation, it's too abstract.
 
1:22 PM
that is, a steady state is $$\frac{dX}{dt} = 0$$
Then empty time is:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{d^nX}{dt^n} = 0$$
 
@Secret you should use local time, $\tau$ here...
@Secret yap.
 
I am talking about that classically
 
@Secret Okay.
Let's do your intuition in Nambu Gotu Strings.
$$S = - mc \int d^2 \sigma \sqrt{det{X^{\mu}X^u g_{\mu}^u}}$$
$g_{\mu}^u$ for flat spacetime
Warning: I dun remember the correct equation
it's $\eta$
Also, $X$ are time derivatives, I forgot to add them.
 
1:41 PM
@FakeMod Sure, but there's no new physics here
 
The correct equation is $$S[X, g] = T \int_{\Sigma} d\mu[X_* g]$$
 
pch... $S = - T \int d^2 \sigma \sqrt{-g}$
A model of a charged membrane introduced by Paul Dirac in 1962. Dirac's original motivation was to explain the mass of the muon as an excitation of the ground state corresponding to an electron. Anticipating the birth of string theory by almost a decade, he was the first to introduce what is now called a type of Nambu–Goto action for membranes. In the Dirac membrane model the repulsive electromagnetic forces on the membrane are balanced by the contracting ones coming from the positive tension. In the case of the spherical membrane, classical equations of motion imply that the balance is met for...
 
Although I guess if I include $g$ into the dynamic fields, it's more $$S[X, g] = T \int_M \int_{\Sigma} \delta_X d\mu[X_* g] d\mu[g]$$
Hm
I guess the proper way to write this would be with a de Rham current
 
That's the improper way
 
Would it
Let's see
We have some distribution on $M$ with singular support which is the worldsheet $\Sigma$
Hm
I'm not good at current theory
I guess the volume form is the test form here
 
1:57 PM
It's just an area integral
Why currents!
 
Sooo... $$\int_\Sigma \langle \delta_X, \mu[g] \rangle d\mu[X_* g]$$
???
@bolbteppa It's not if you consider a dynamic metric in the target space!
As in what you'd use for topological defects
You need to do the whole $\delta(p - X(\sigma))$ business
ie that's how you get the point particle SET $T \approx \delta(x)$
 
hmm
 
2:52 PM
Ah, I think what I need is the PUSHFORWARD OF THE CURRENT
Hm, let's see
$$\int_{U} dx = \langle [U], \omega \rangle$$
$$\int_{\Sigma} d\sigma = \langle [\Sigma], \omega_\Sigma \rangle$$
$\omega_\Sigma$ is just $X_* \omega$
Our double integral is an integral over $U \times \Sigma$, and we have an embedding $X : \Sigma \to U$
I think this may be... $\langle X_* [U], \omega\rangle$???
with $X$ the string field and $\omega$ depends on the metric
$\langle X_* [U], \omega \rangle$ is certainly equal to the string action, but can you vary it wrt $g$ and obtain the proper result
 
3:29 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha who the heck is pabolo? :P
 
Hm
I'm 90% sure the appropriate action is $$S[X,g;U] = \langle X_* [U], \omega_g \rangle$$
I guess I need to check for the point particle
 
@SirCumference Pablo, not pabolo. I wrote it wrong.
Pablo Ruiz Picasso (UK: , US: , Spanish: [ˈpaβlo piˈkaso]; 25 October 1881 – 8 April 1973) was a Spanish painter, sculptor, printmaker, ceramicist, stage designer, poet and playwright who spent most of his adult life in France. Regarded as one of the most influential artists of the 20th century, he is known for co-founding the Cubist movement, the invention of constructed sculpture, the co-invention of collage, and for the wide variety of styles that he helped develop and explore. Among his most famous works are the proto-Cubist Les Demoiselles d'Avignon (1907), and Guernica (1937), a dramatic...
 
let's see the Gâteaux derivative
 
@Slereah String Theory is simple, it just requires a genius to understand it's simplicity.
 
@Slereah that should be a piece of cake
 
3:37 PM
@JohnRennie Hello sir
 
Hm
 
@AbhasKumarSinha hi :-)
 
First issue : $\omega_{g + \delta g}$ is bad
Because square root and determinant
But I only need first order I suppose
Also I guess that's just the standard variation of the volume form
 
Can you convert Schrodinger's equation to Tensoral Form, such that, $\hbar^2$ becomes $g_{\mu u} H^{\mu} \otimes H^{u}$?
@JohnRennie
 
@AbhasKumarSinha $\hbar$ is a number
 
3:40 PM
@Slereah Not exactly!
It's a length, plank''s length
 
It is most certainly a number
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Can I do it? Or can it be done? The answer to the first question is no and I don't know the answer to the second question.
 
and length contracts with lorentz transformation.
@Slereah yep, but that can be written in the form of other numbers, so that at speed of light we can do, $\hbar \rightarrow 0$
 
@AbhasKumarSinha the SE is not Lorentz covariant, so trying to make sense of it at speeds comparable to $c$ is not useful.
 
@JohnRennie Okay... Then lemme do it, by bringing h in the form of other constants which are lorentz varient.
@JohnRennie Oh, I see the problem now...
 
3:42 PM
Hm
I think I need the Bad Book
 
You need either the Dirac or Klein-Gordon equations.
 
The GR book written by a mathematician
 
@JohnRennie KG Equations.
 
Yes, from the approach you seem to be talking the KG equation is the obvious extension.
 
3:43 PM
Sometimes becoming optimistic causes loss of reality
@JohnRennie Yap.
 
there we go
Einstein manifolds by Besse
 
@JohnRennie I'm reading Geodesics (affine) from GR... Very Easy but a lot of mess caused due to different notations... (Ray Deinverno's)
GR is very easy, but getting along with tensoral and calculus notations is something excess hard!
EFE can be derived using Lagrangian Formulations... (I didn't knew it before)
that's why string theory books, start with lagrangian formulations...
 
I don't know how you would do GR without Lagrangians
 
@bolbteppa There are informal (easy) proofs too.
 
There's the bad book
 
3:50 PM
@bolbteppa First show $\nabla_x (R - 1/2g_{\mu u} R) = 0$, then show $\nabla_{:x} T = 0$, then $f(T) = G_{\mu u} - T$, then show, $f'(T) = 0$, then show $f(T) = 0$ for all tensors $T$
^informal ones
would need 2 more days to complete whole EFE and Schwarchild Solution....
 
Are you talking about Lovelock's theorem
Lovelock's theorem of general relativity says that from a local gravitational action which contains only second derivatives of the four-dimensional spacetime metric, then the only possible equations of motion are the Einstein field equations. The theorem was described by British physicist David Lovelock in 1971. == Statement == In four dimensional space, any tensor A μ ν {\displaystyle A^{\mu \nu }} whose components are function of metric tensor g...
 
@Slereah Oh, didn't know before that it has a name...
similar to that theorem...
But used a bit different way....
I messed up with notations, $f(T)$ is a variable $T$ and the RHS one is stress energy tensor...
@Slereah which book?
 
"Einstein manifolds" by Besse
 
@Slereah Stephen Hawking's Large Spacetime Structures is also a good one... I use it as a reference, although, R Wald 's 'General Relativity' shares same approach, but they demonstrate different way to define Stress Energy Tensor.
 
Those are physicist books
I require the Bad Book
I need a guy who can just throw around measure theory and awful notation
 
3:57 PM
will that work^
 
Not quite
 
Everyone's a gangsta, until a baby walks with his Quantum Mechanics Theories!
@Slereah Almost all GR Books have different notations, sometimes it doesn't works quite well for me. I always need them in standard ones! :)
 
@AbhasKumarSinha those are in my uni's bookstore
probably better than the actual textbooks they give us
 
@SirCumference I've heard the books are entertaining and somewhat accurate for children's books; but they obviously over-simplify a lot of stuff; possibly to a bad extent. Also I think I heard the "rocket science" one is basically just aerodynamics; which ignores half the cool part about rockets.
 
i mean given it's nature, it's gotta be oversimplified like crazy
which kind of ruins the point
why someone thought those books were a good idea, idk
 
4:15 PM
@SirCumference Blockchain for Babies - My Dream Book
@SirCumference Have you tried reading those to babies!?
Do they Enjoy those?
 
@SirCumference I've actually heard some pretty good points and anecdotes on why they might be useful. Take it with a grain of salt, because I heard it online; but some parents said their children really enjoyed the books and seemed to be absorbing some of the basics of physics. I could see it working similarly to how language immersion classes work.
But obviously that depends on what the books are actually saying. They could just as easily be learning incorrect things through immersion.
 
@JMac I believe that babies should not be taught Physics until they are 10 years of age. Fairy Tales and Classic Stories are better for their imagination... I'd seem very dry when a baby would start talking about Quantum Entanglement with their Kindergarten Teacher.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha I don't necessarily see a problem with both; but it depends on how you try to teach a child physics. Experimental toys are actually pretty popular, and you can teach quite a bit about basics through demonstration and interaction; without ever having to explicitly bring up physics topics. Exposing them to the language of physics early would help them have the words to explain what they notice too.
 
@bolbteppa Sir, do you know books on No-Go Theorem? I'm interested to see their argument in No Teleportation Theorem while using Photon and Entanglement, most labs have demonstrated Quantum Bit Teleportation? (or any book which partly discusses this)
@JMac Experimental toys are okay, but String Theory for Babies who can't even talk seems absurd.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha nah
i don't think i know any babies
 
4:27 PM
@SirCumference I think when you'll start with the first chapter when they have relativistic invarient Nambu Goto version, they'll not understand anything and cry.
@SirCumference Babies are infants < 1 years of age (no perfect definition exists...)
 
@AbhasKumarSinha i'll tell them "welcome to physics"
 
@SirCumference XD
 
@AbhasKumarSinha i know :P
but i'm in a college, not the most likely place to see any
 
hahaha XD :)
oh okay....
Collage Hostel?
 
@AbhasKumarSinha The books are definitely written with the intent to be absurd. The whole idea is obviously a partial joke; but I think there may still some value in exposing babies to these ideas. I don't see why reading classics and fairy tales would be better if they aren't really going to understand it anyways.
 
4:29 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha is that a word for dorm?
 
@SirCumference I guess...
 
i live off campus
 
@JMac Babies only understand piano...
oh okay...
I mean Piano Music
Not music sheets
 
@AbhasKumarSinha I'm pretty sure that babies can be shown to understand more things than just piano; to the extent that we can understand the mind and it's development. That said, we can only understand the mind and it's development to a limited extent, so trying to write off what can't be understood seems premature.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha what no-go theorem?
 
4:33 PM
@JMac They can't speak properly. So reading things is a bit useless.
@bolbteppa no teleportation one or any.
 
Not about teleportation or quantum info
In theoretical physics, a no-go theorem is a theorem that states that a particular situation is not physically possible. Specifically, the term describes results in quantum mechanics like Bell's theorem and the Kochen–Specker theorem that constrain the permissible types of hidden variable theories which try to explain the apparent randomness of quantum mechanics as a deterministic model featuring hidden states. == Examples == The Weinberg–Witten theorem states that massless particles (either composite or elementary) with spin j > ​1⁄2 cannot carry a Lorentz-covariant current, while massle...
 
@bolbteppa yes that one...
In quantum information theory, the no-teleportation theorem states that an arbitrary quantum state cannot be converted into a sequence of classical bits (or even an infinite number of such bits); nor can such bits be used to reconstruct the original state, thus "teleporting" it by merely moving classical bits around. Put another way, it states that the unit of quantum information, the qubit, cannot be exactly, precisely converted into classical information bits. This should not be confused with quantum teleportation, which does allow a quantum state to be destroyed in one location, and an exact...
 
the trickiness of no-go theorems is typically in their premises
 
@Semiclassical good evening sir :)
 
Kaku told me things had been teleported :(
 
4:35 PM
@bolbteppa i quoted this a while back, but I figured you would appreciate it:
"In the end, if an experiment is performed based on standard quantum mechanics, and verifies standard quantum mechanics as expected, then it is irrelevant that this aspect of standard quantum mechanics might be analogous to a vaguely-formulated and incomplete speculative idea about spacetime emergence — nor can it provide any experimental support whatsoever for that idea." (remove "spacetime emergence" and replace your own preferred fringe theory)
 
@Semiclassical I need books to understand their premises.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Reading to children and babies is shown to have numerous benefits in their development of language and reading. Just because they can't read, it doesn't mean that they can't listen and start finding patterns. Hearing language being used, and adding in the context of a book with pictures, actually helps babies to connect reading, writing, talking, with objects etc.
Or at least thats what I've heard many places from people who study this.
 
@JMac there's probably also an aspect of building the caregiver-child relationship
 
@Semiclassical don't get the spacetime emergence point :p
 
4:38 PM
it was a comment to this article: quantamagazine.org/…
I don't really care about the context, though
 
But, it's faking teleportation, actual teleportation is not possible.,
Quantum Bits are only teleported, atoms and molecules have not been... (NAT GEO)
 
more just the general admonition that, if you're going to sell the results of a given experiment as evidence for a fringe theory, then you should probably make sure it actually contradicts the usual formalism...
 
@Semiclassical yep
@bolbteppa Do you know any book which discusses No Go Theorem and it's advanced topics (related to it)?
 
@bolbteppa (if you're wondering what I'm really thinking, here's a hint: fluid paradigm)
 
@Semiclassical If you know any books?
 
4:42 PM
@Semiclassical I think we can all agree that gravity is a quantum fluid that fills in the cracks of the ether to produce the wavelike nature of reality.
 
@JMac Gravity is a quantum fluid -> Nothing like Gravity is assumed in Quantum Mechanics, Gravity is only for Relativity.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha The whole sentence was nonsense. I was going to add "relativistic" somewhere in there but forgot to.
 
ok
Hey, everyone see wiki, there is also a no cloning theorem
In physics, the no-cloning theorem states that it is impossible to create an identical copy of an arbitrary unknown quantum state. This no-go theorem of quantum mechanics was articulated by James Park in proving the impossibility of a simple perfect non-disturbing measurement scheme, in 1970 and rediscovered by Wootters and Zurek and by Dieks in 1982. It has profound implications in quantum computing and related fields. The state of one system can be entangled with the state of another system. For instance, one can use the controlled NOT gate and the Walsh–Hadamard gate to entangle two qubits...
@Semiclassical cool thing^
I mean this single No Go Theorem dismisses more than half of the Fiction in a single go!
Such a crazy theorem.,,,
@bolbteppa ..?
 
@Semiclassical seems to be saying if QM 'verifies' X then it doesn't confirm some random speculation Y which happened to predict this is also true?
 
right
 
4:50 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha I don't know about those things, only the supersymmetry ones mentioned in that article
 
which article? Semiclassical's?
 
whistles innocently
 
@Semiclassical hahaha... XD
 
We can always rationalize things by saying it's angels on the head of a pin controlling everything
 
@bolbteppa this has some stuff on it... : royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2017.0732
22 citations ^
@Semiclassical What is the highest number of citations you've got?
Good night everyone :)
Bye :)
 
5:32 PM
Hm
I think that "Action functionals as currents" is probably okay, but
It will require working out the fundamental theorem of variational calculus on currents
ie the action of a brane in spacetime would be $$S[X, g; U] = \langle [U], R_g \omega_g + X^*\omega_g \rangle$$
It's not immediatly obvious how that would apply
 
6:02 PM
Except also the curvature wouldn't be a tensor if it stems from an extended object
argh
 
@bolbteppa But who's controlling the angels?
 
@ACuriousMind Azathoth
 
I think you can guess my next question ;P
 
They are controlling themselves in a timeloop
 
Azathoth does as he please
Playing his accursed flute
 
6:03 PM
the smaller monsters which sing Azathoth to sleep control him, of course
 
Ah, the Weeping subspecies of angels
 
for now
 
You know I think it's kind of mean
calling it his accursed flute
he's trying
Playing flute is hard
 
for specificity, i don't think it's azathoth that does the playing
for instance: "the ancient legends of Ultimate Chaos, at whose center sprawls the blind idiot god Azathoth, Lord of All Things, encircled by his flopping horde of mindless and amorphous dancers, and lulled by the thin monotonous piping of a demonic flute held in nameless paws"
 
'idiot god' seems far meaner than insulting the flute :P
 
6:07 PM
@ACuriousMind it's one of thems metaphore
A blind idiot god for an uncaring mechanistic universe
Lovecraft was big into atheism
 
at least, atheism as far as the usual intrepretations of God would go
(though conflating what Lovecraft wrote about as mythology and what he personally believed is probably a bridge too far)
 
Hm
What are tensor distributions called in math proper?
I know they're a thing in GR
But since apparently form distributions are currents
I am suspiscious
 
6:53 PM
nevarmaind
 
7:18 PM
It seems like meta close reasons can be easily customised.
 
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