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03:58
@NovaliumCompany outside school is a wilderness where I can't find any recourse.
04:57
guys, I never understood this; say we increase $B$, what will happen to $R$ then?
because I never know whether $v$ will be changed as well
@ShaVuklia kinetic energy doesn't change because the Lorentz force doesn't do any work on the charged particle
05:18
ohh, ofc! thanks:)
Sid
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@JohnRennie where's part 2?
I'm still working on part 2 :-)
Sid
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05:59
@John HELP! My laptop seems to lag way too much recently.(Chrome in particular)
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Q: Difficulty Level Tags For Questions

Anurag BaundwalAs you know, physics stack exchange is filled with questions of various levels. When I come to the website, I come to: Ask a question Revise some concepts Answer a questions When people come for option no. 2, ie, to revise concepts, it is difficult for them to find questions that they can und...

@Sid have we looked at your laptop before? I can't remember which of the PSE members' laptops I've helped with?
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@JohnRennie Only time when I complained to you about reduced sensitivity of the touchpad.
(The problem seems to come when I open Youtube)
@Sid oh yes I remember. It's a relatively new laptop with a mechanical hard disk?
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Sid
Relatively new, yeah
with mechanical hard disk, yes(I think)
06:08
Has it been getting gradually slower, or did it suddenly slow?
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@JohnRennie It seems to me only Chrome has this problem. And especially when I open YouTube. It's been there for a few days/weeks now
Do you have any Chrome add-ins installed?
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Sid
you mean, extensions?
Sid
Sid
Yeah, I have got a few.
Namely, Mathjax, "view vote-totals without 1000 rep", IDM Integration Module, Rot13, Google docs offline, EasyMovies search
06:14
If only Chrome is slow the obvious approach is to look and see what might be slowing Chrome down. And extensions is one possibility.
You could try disabling all the extensions (don't remove them - just disable them) and see if that helps.
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Sid
Well, Chrome shows me that one of them contains malware. :/
Does it say which one, or does it make you guess?
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Sid
Yeah, It says EasyMovies search contains malware and Google docs offline is corrupted.
The other option would be to create a new user and try logging in as the new user. The new user account will get a nice clean set of settings. If Chrome is fast for the new user then that means something in your Chrome setup is causing it.
@dmckee you around?
There's a junk question that could do with deleting ...
@JohnRennie wow!it's like you have helped uncountable PSE people's laptops' problems! You are not only a good physics helper but also a good computer helper! Last night the link Secant line you gave me is really helpful. Thank you very much. I actually had never learnt the clear definition of "secant" and "chord" in math books in English before.
06:29
@CaptainBohemian I'm more of a computer nerd than a physicist these days :-)
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@JohnRennie which is why you don't need to feel inadequate. :-)
@Sid yes, but Lyn Gladden and I used to be scruffy postgrads together and now she's head of a prestige UK academic organisation while I fix laptops and eat pizza :-)
Mind you, I enjoy fixing laptops and eating pizza :-)
@JohnRennie I am far more interested in physics than computer, which doesn't interest me much; I only try to know computer enough for my using computer for other purposes.
 
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07:58
greetings gents
News: I have just tried fresh mango for the first time in my life. It does not compare with any other thing I have had in any way related to the word 'mango'. As such, I must now take back what I said in the past about mango and admit that mango is delicious
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@Mithrandir24601 Where did you get fresh mango?
@Sid One of my flatmates had some, presumably from the greengrocers
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So, they sell stale mangoes elsewhere in Britain?
@Sid Supermarkets don't really seem to do mango and what I've found before is just... Not good - dryer, lost its sweetness etc.
08:14
@Mithrandir24601 Mangoes are something I took for granted
Makes you think
Anyone having HC verma
?'
refer to page 76
There is an example of a block sliding
Please explain the problem in earth reference frame..
@AvnishKabaj
aNYBODY ACTIVE??
@gateprep I no longer have my HC Verma
If you were to send a picture I could take a look
@Sid mangoes have to be transported to the UK by ship and that takes a while. So the mangoes are picked unripe and they have to ripen in the boat and on the shelf. They are OK but they are nowhere near as nice as ripe mangoes picked fresh from the tree.
09:01
Guys, is it possible for time to be slowed down? (wtf am I asking :D)
Anonymous
@NovaliumCompany ::coughs::
Sorry, was that a stupid question or I should google it :D?
Anonymous
Sort of yes
Anonymous
Google Lorentz transforms
@NovaliumCompany Google time dilation
Anonymous
09:07
The basics of special relativity are simple
Ok, I'll google it, I have another question. We know that if we go really fast, close to the speed of light, time slows for everone who is static, is that right?
Anonymous
@NovaliumCompany Be careful with the words like static
Anonymous
Take an example
Anonymous
Say you're on a rocket
Anonymous
You'll find that w.r.t you the time on earth is passing slower
Anonymous
09:11
But the vice versa is also true
Anonymous
The real question is why the vice-versa is true
Anonymous
with respect to
Because relative to the person on the rocket, the earth is moving?
Anonymous
@NovaliumCompany Yup
09:12
Then shouldn't the effect just cancel out?
Anonymous
No, why?
Anonymous
Which effects?
The time-dilation?
Anonymous
I don't understand. Can you write it (your claim) out as a full elaborate sentence?
Anonymous
Actually it's better if you learn Lorentz transforms first
09:14
Ok, I'll explain what i know, give me 2 mins.
So basically I have a rocket ship that travels away from earth with speed close to the speed of light. So if they travel with that speed quite some time, shoudn't the people on earth be older? But that makes no sense, because relative to the people on the ship, the earth is moving, not them... ahh I'm confused :D
Anonymous
@NovaliumCompany Why should they be "older"?
I have no idea ;D
I've just watched some videos...
Anonymous
Are you having holidays now?
Anonymous
I could cover the basics in a few days I guess
That would be great, weekend starts after school today.
So where should I start?
Lorents transforms?
Anonymous
09:19
Cool. So tonight one hour is fine?
Anonymous
Let me know the time
Well, the problem is that I don't know when I am free :D I'll be visiting the website often, so when you are here, I'll chat you.
Hi, one doubt.
Anonymous
I'll be here. No problem. But I have some work, too. So maybe just ping when you're free.
@Blue Yep. :)
09:21
How does current flow in a connecting wire? Isn't the potential across the ends the same?
I'll be heading for school now, so I'll have to go. See you @Blue :)
Anonymous
Cya
Anonymous
@SwapnilDas Think of it as a long queue of people
Anonymous
One gets into the train, and the whole queue moves forward
Anonymous
Of course you need a potential across the wire for current to flow
Anonymous
09:22
You always have a cell or something
@Blue And why doesn't this analogy always work?
Anonymous
It always works...
Anonymous
I'm not really sure what your question is
I was solving a question on finding the current through a connecting wire.
Anonymous
09:26
And?
It's actually 'only' a connecting wire, a system of resistances and a connected wire in the between
It's not directly connected to the cell.
I'll be posting the pic of the wire at 4 pm. If you find time please answer sometime later. bye!
Anonymous
Sure, but the end of connecting wire which is connected to the cell has same potential as that end of the cell.
09:53
"The dual representation is also known as the contragredient representation."
fancy name
10:50
contragredient - noun - an item not in a recipe
11:42
What is the recipe for a representation
any recipe for representations would require a grain of salt
Hi, just wanted to ask, it makes sense to talk about entropy of an ensemble even if the the same is not in thermal equilibrium right? I understand that temperature is not a "good" quantity for the same ensemble. The system I am considering is a classical black hole, should second law (the area law) be always valid in their case?
In more detail, I want to see if a first law exists if there is no timelike Killing vector field which becomes null at the horizon. The existence of a second law is guaranteed though in such case.
Jim
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12:00
@BruceLee If I may be permitted to pun.... I think the event horizon makes a pretty good Killing field already
@Jim Somewhere Killing must be rolling in his grave.
Jim
Jim
I'm sure that somewhere is a field
Anonymous
This poor joke must be killing the poor soul.
13:20
@SwapnilDas additionally, every wire has a finite resistivity. So I’d expect there will be a small voltage drop across it. But it’s such a small response as to be negligible
(One possible way to see it would be to apply heat to the wire and look for the linear increase in the resistance of the wire with temperature)
 
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14:35
Guys I have a question
Anyone online?
@Slereah Is it for me?
vzn
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14:58
@Mithrandir24601 reminds me thats a major plot element in this new movie Victoria & Abdul, lots on late 19th/ early 20th century british politics + culture clash with indian occupation imdb.com/title/tt5816682 nytimes.com/2017/09/21/movies/…
Anonymous
15:17
@Mithrandir24601 Gosh, I'm happy that you realized :D
Anonymous
So many Europeans seem to think that mangoes taste bad
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@Blue Because the conditions are not suitable there for growing and eating them.
Anonymous
@Sid Whatever, man
Anonymous
Mangoes are the best thing ever
Anonymous
I won't tolerate anything said against them :P
Anonymous
15:20
@vzn Ah, I heard of that movie
Anonymous
Is it good?
Guys I have a question
Anonymous
@vzn From the clips, it looks like a very well made movie. Gotta watch it. Thanks
vzn
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@Blue :) its very different by hollywood standards in various ways but think script + acting is high quality & the human story/ culture-clash is engaging/ timely, re hot button world globalization, diversity, immigration issues etc, would not have picked it on my own but thought different/ worth watching... have you seen any movies lately?
Anonymous
"I want you to teach me Indian" X'D The joke never ends
Anonymous
15:32
@vzn Yep, seems so :)
Anonymous
@vzn "any movies lately?" Uh, last was Infinity War :P
Anonymous
But the last non-mainstream movie I watched was....
Anonymous
Trying to remember
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youre in india right? do you watch bollywood stuff? have seen a few over the yrs... whatd you think of infinity war? am going to a local comiccon in about 2wks... o_O
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@vzn I don't like much of Bollywood stuff. There are only a few Bollywood movies which are worth watching
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15:41
huh why dont you like it? generally very high revenue in india...
Anonymous
Rest are mostly copied from Western or Korean/Japanese movies
Anonymous
@vzn There's a lot of celebrity craze in India, yes. But very few movies are actually original material
Anonymous
Most are mainstream movies based on traditional concepts
Anonymous
Like you have a guy single handedly beating up 10 people, etc
Anonymous
And other nonsense
Anonymous
15:46
I think this more or less covers the points.
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@Blue 10 people with guns. :P
Anonymous
Tbh, even Hollywood is infamous for churning out crap movies every now and then. But they seem to survive on the superhero (comic) craze
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@Blue lol actually rather similar to hollywood criticisms. yeah the comic book craze seems endless, am surprised myself how long its lasted. spielberg once thought/ commented maybe it would die out someday just like westerns but shows no signs of stopping at moment it seems.
Anonymous
If you ever feel like watching a "real" Indian movie, start with Satyajit Ray's movies.
Anonymous
They're works of art
Anonymous
15:56
(That doesn't classify as Bollywood though)
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@Blue this now reminds me of BaSe who has very strong opinions on decent movies... dont know if you saw that ever...
That's for old people
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj The new movies lack that Indian "vibes"
Anonymous
@vzn Yes, I think Balarka is an excellent person to get movie recommendations from
I see that Electric field inside a conductor due to external field is zero. Now, the electric field aligns charges on the surface of the surface in a certain way... I mean -ve charges accumulate the regions where the field lines enter the conductor and positive charges exist where the field lines are leaving. But I am not understanding, what happens to the field that exists in the conductor due to this charge separation... doesn't that itself create another field.
Does that field cancel the external field?
15:59
@Blue satyajit Ray's movies were different from your typical Bollywood vibe
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj Yes, that's the point
@Blue Those kind of movies are still made but they never make it to the big screens
Rich people make em for competitions
Film festivals
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj Example?
a quote has been flagged
it is now unflagged
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thx, but @#%&, have bad feeling, better run now o_O
Anonymous
16:04
@LeakyNun Which one?
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Q: Multipole expansion of the Newtonian and the Coulomb's fields

SebastianoI'm looking some books on the expansion in of the Newtonian multipoles and the Coulomb field. Someone could tell me an excellent book in Italian or in English? I have read many books but I have not finded anything on the multipole expansion of the field Newtonian (gravitational field). Should I...

Is this question totally unclear, or am I just having a bad day?
have a nice day
@Blue National Film Award for Best Feature Film g.co/kgs/7w28XK
Anonymous
Oh, I see. I think "Trapped" falls in that category
Anonymous
It was a good movie
rob
rob
16:07
@LeakyNun Hey, if someone has suggested that some material might not fit in the chat room, how about we don't bring it up some more and have a distracting meta-discussion?
May 28 at 15:38, by rob
Here's a friendly reminder that folks who would like to discuss flagging or chat suspensions should join the ongoing and productive conversation in the Physics Meta room rather than raising the issue in here. Room owners will move misplaced discussions as necessary.
@Blue That looks like a great movie.
Anonymous
@rob It sure does! I just found that the full movie is available on DailyMotion
Anonymous
16:22
It's given in two parts
QFT?
can you really only call it 50 years old tho...
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> In honor of the 50th anniversary of Steven Weinberg’s world-changing publication, A Model of Leptons, the work that solidified what we now call “The Standard Model of Physics”, Case Western Reserve University is hosting a once-in-lifetime symposium this weekend that features talks from many of the most famous names in physics… including 8 Nobelists and over 20 scientists who have made immeasurable contributions to the “the most successful theory known to humankind.”
I see
rob
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@Blue I have enough friends who make their living the arts that I don't object to paying five or ten dollars for a movie.
16:26
look at the name of that work tho, a model of leptons...
that's not the full standard model
sounds like it would just be electroweak theory
weeeez
Anonymous
@rob Okay, but from were you planning to buy the movie? Dailymotion is a video sharing platform similar to YouTube though, so there's nothing illegal.
Anonymous
But of course you're free to restrain yourself from watching the movie from there.
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@enumaris not an expert but it seems from descr to be maybe the (celebrated) last major crowning cap on standard model...?
something like that probably
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@enumaris lol, you should be telling me! time to brush up on standard model :P
16:40
have you seen the books on the standard model?
essentially unreadable
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@enumaris lol, sacrilege! reminds me of the finite group classification the way you say that
weinberg's own book(s) is probably the most thorough and rigorous...but it's super freaking dense and would require more patience than I have to read
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@enumaris maybe gotta read his popsci book instead, trying to remember if bought it once... "dreams of a final theory"...
maybe...
but I don't think a popsci book will actually give me a deep understanding of the standard model
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@enumaris no kidding, but maybe better than nothing )( o_O
rob
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16:49
@Blue Probably Amazon.
Anonymous
@rob I see, good
17:00
hmmm
18:00
yello
@vzn I may have achieved a life goal with that posting reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8nrvfx/…
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@bolbteppa lol which one
Basically the bible of rqm/qft up to non-abelian stuff
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@bolbteppa oh see now. response from BJBjorken (joined reddit 13h ago!). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bjorken congrats! better luck than me so far. reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8nrvfx/…
Ahah
Pilot wave Bohm stuff should exactly fit the standard model if it's worth anything but it doesn't
Note it's his book that talks about vacuum polarization from an 'electrostatic repulsion of the Dirac sea' perspective btw
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18:15
@bolbteppa yes, can predict their response (its a ~½ rhetorical question that way) likely something (dismissive) along those lines but something is better than nothing. already have lots of "party line" from discussions in here with "experts". :|
String theory is the only hoped way of unifying, why ignore it?
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@bolbteppa who is ignoring it? there are multiple unification paths, some more "mainstream"/ accepted/ trendy/ fashionable than others etc, ps see my latest blog, influenced by your pov + many refs to your hero Lumo, some straight from you + obligatory ref to string theory
@vzn but there is only one unification path, the only game in town, strings and branes, right?
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@bolbteppa lol ofc thats what the (main) "gameplayers" will tell you/ insist :P ... ps still trying to figure out why youre interested in unification when nearly nobody else )( in here is...
Update on quantum biology. It has been brought to my attention today from one of my chemistry visiting speaker that nature paper on quantum coherence in photosystem actually debunks all previous findings of such phenomenon as vibrational state stuff
but again, I have no sat down to read that paper in detail yet. Was very busy on getting calculations to work
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18:26
@Secret and surely as definitive/ conclusive/ final a refutation as that latest german EM drive work right? :P
@vzn I am one of the reactionaries on your page vzn1.wordpress.com/2018/05/25/fluid-paradigm-shift-2018 along with JR, ACM and DS, but not 0celot nor Slereah? :p
well, the speaker puts a question mark on "quantum coherence" thus it is an open question
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@bolbteppa its a motley crew/ diverse cast/ bill of characters in my latest missive :P
Slereah is an instability
To be more specific, a null singularity
meanwhile I still cannot recall that game which has an obstacle that does not move someone from one point in time to another to kill them, but somehow make them "lost in time"
as if they dissolve in the gap between space and time
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@Secret the "powers that be" seem not to allow such talk
18:30
too late, cannot edit that out. Let's hope it slips
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hbar as a spacetime instability, singularity... wormhole? some possible new room names if it gets vaporized :P
better not, I have heaps of data still need to be recovered from h bar
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@Secret :O they didnt kill the entire mos eisley transcript when they zapped it did they? figure its "frozen"... sort of like han solo in the carbonite? o_O :P
well low reps cannot access that
@vzn the gameplayers would give anything for one of those alternatives to make sense
18:34
I want something more alien than string theory as a unification, but then I don't know how alien is alien
If it is too aliens chance are it will just end up like interuniversal techmuller theory, with hodge theatres keep going around in circles
and spin everyone heads in the process
how about topological goo
what's more alien than a vibration but still simple?
the quantum foam
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wow, looking, "poisoned" o_O 2328 days now living in infamy chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/198/poisoned-room-it-is-defunct scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10914/… didnt even know there was such a category...
check out Wheeler's Super Gravity maybe?
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18:37
@bolbteppa ?
Super Gravity + Quantum Foam.
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@enumaris at least its (some kind of) fluid xD :P
anyway its 4:38 here, need to sleep
maybe
4:38 is so early to sleep
who sleeps at 4:38...at least wait til 9
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@Secret reminds me/ starting to sound like the story of Polly Nomial... o_O
@enumaris reminds me, did you ever hear of wheelers geometrodynamics? o_O vzn1.wordpress.com/2018/05/25/fluid-paradigm-shift-2018
18:54
Omg ElectroBOOM is fun. He actually teaches too.
19:08
@vzn yeah, I wrote a short paper on it as a homework project lol
it's where super gravity comes from
@vzn regarding your Lumo comments, they viewed the Bohm stuff the same way he does, have seen some flowery language of their own regarding it too
@vzn and your comments on phd students are hilarious, not meant ironically I assume :p
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19:57
@bolbteppa glad to hear you found something to laugh at... sense of humor intact... phds are great as long as you dont ask em to unify QM + GR :) :P
@vzn String theory has done that right?
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@bolbteppa think it has some )( redeeming features wink ("choose your battles carefully") :P
20:15
LQG is better
ooooooo
idk, e.g. "Because of the above-mentioned lack of a semiclassical limit, LQG has not yet even reproduced the predictions made by general relativity", seems like just too many basic issues to be worthy of really going into it
"Rovelli regards the fact LQG is formulated in 4 dimensions and without supersymmetry as a strength of the theory as it represents the most parsimonious explanation, consistent with current experimental results, over its rival string/M-theory. Proponents of string theory will often point to the fact that, among other things, it demonstrably reproduces the established theories of
general relativity and quantum field theory in the appropriate limits, which Loop Quantum Gravity has struggled to do. In that sense string theory's connection to established physics may be considered more reliable and less speculative, at the mathematical level. Loop Quantum Gravity has nothing to say about the matter (fermions) in the universe."
Loop quantum gravity (LQG) is a theory of quantum gravity, merging quantum mechanics and general relativity. Its goal unifies gravity in a common theoretical framework with the other three fundamental forces of nature, beginning with relativity and adding quantum features. It competes with string theory that begins with quantum field theory and adds gravity. From the point of view of Albert Einstein's theory, all attempts to treat gravity as another quantum force equal in importance to electromagnetism and the nuclear forces have failed. According to Einstein, gravity is not a force – it is...
@bolbteppa Last I heard, there's a distinct lack of evidence of supersymmetry, where they were hoping to find some though...
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20:34
Mar 22 at 17:18, by bolbteppa
@vzn she is researching LQG, need I say more
I was mostly making a BBT reference
@vzn yes
so serious guys
Is there someone that can help me?
Oh Big Bang Theory
haha
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20:44
@enumaris BBT? what does it have to do with LQG?
BBT = Big Bang Theory
Guys, I still can't get my head around the concept of a charge. I've heard there is something like a point charge. Like positive charges... but I don't know what they are. Are they electrons?
Electric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field. There are two types of electric charges; positive and negative (commonly carried by protons and electrons respectively). Like charges repel and unlike attract. An object with an absence of net charge is referred to as neutral. Early knowledge of how charged substances interact is now called classical electrodynamics, and is still accurate for problems that don't require consideration of quantum effects. Electric charge is a conserved property; the net charge of an isolated...
'There are two types of electric charges; positive and negative (commonly carried by protons and electrons respectively).'
So a negative charge is an electron, and positive charge is a proton?
"even if it [LQG] implied the semi-realistic picture of gravity we hear in the most favorable appraisals by its champions, it has many properties that make it incompatible with the Standard Model, for example its Lorentz symmetry violation. This is a serious problem because the terms of the Standard Model are those terms that are renormalizable, Lorentz-invariant, and gauge-invariant.
The Lorentz breaking imposed upon us by loop quantum gravity would force us to relax the requirement of the Lorentz invariance for the Standard Model terms as well, so we would have to deal with a much broader theory containing many other terms, not just the Lorentz-invariant ones, and it would simply not be the Standard Model anymore (and if would be infinitely underdetermined, too)."
@vzn how can you entertain this as serious
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20:54
@bolbteppa "if you want to make an omelette you have to break some eggs™..."
@NovaliumCompany "charge" is a property of particles. A proton is positively charged, an electron is negatively charged. Neutrons/neutrinos/photons are uncharged. There are other charged particles other than the proton and electron though (and a proton is not even an elementary particle so it wouldn't make sense to put it in the same class as electrons).
There are 3 charged leptons, the electron/muon/tau particles. And then there are the quarks which are also charged, but have 2/3 or -1/3 charge for some weird reason :D
@vzn throwing the baby out with the bathwater$^{\mathcal{TM}}$
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@bolbteppa am not too familiar with LQG but if it works with 4 dimensions instead of whatever the more the merrier then think thats a feature, not a bug™ + (along with JR!) like hossenfelder :) ... btw just ran across her old blog on LuMo found in old ref in here... o_O backreaction.blogspot.com/2007/08/lubo-motl.html
21:13
hi guys, i come in peace from mathematica.stackexchange. i am not sure if physics.stackexchange is the right place to post my question so i thought to ask here on the chat first. it's related to a monte carlo simulation of an ising model and the behaviour of the integral time around the critical temperature, which is not symmetrical but skewed, and i don't know if this is due to an error in my program or it is normal.is the integral time of the system expected to show symmetry around tc?
Tc is around 2.26
rob
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@Alucard Can you define "integral time"?
1 sec i will upload an image taken from the book
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@Alucard Hmm. An explanation in your own words is preferable.
the autocorrelation of the magnetization is expected to fall as e^ (-t/tau)
tau is the integral time
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Oh, okay.
> is the integral time of the Ising model expected to show symmetry around tc?
I think this is a good Phys.SE question.
You can mention that you're coding a simulation and you have some confusing results, but the quoted bit is a general question that might have some interesting physics behind it.
@Alucard In this plot, do you have any estimate of the vertical error bars?
21:23
i measured the autocorrelation up to 60000 steps,then i fitted the data with the command NonLinearModelFit [] and i got tau ,i don't know the error on it
i will try to add the error bars
yes but it's a bit complicated because my nonlinearmodelfit[] function is inside a mapthread function and only the final array with multiple measure is saved
rob
rob
@Alucard And there's the mathematica part of your question :-)
21:38
uhm ok i will get back once i get these damned errors bars to work. sorry to have interrupted you guys
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@Alucard Hey, answering questions like yours is the reason we're here.
If you take $\psi = A e^{-i k r} + B e^{ik r}$ as the asymptotic form of a wave function in a non-relativistic scattering problem, and then use $i = \sqrt{-1}$ and $k = \sqrt{2mE}$ we have
$$\psi = A e^{-i \sqrt{2mE} r} + B e^{i\sqrt{2mE} r} = A e^{-\sqrt{-2mE} \, r} + B e^{i\sqrt{-2mE} \, r} $$
which seems to be a/the motivation to consider energy as a complex number in scattering problems...
22:06
Because $\sqrt{-2mE}$ is the square root of a complex number, it is not single-valued, so the whole thing can't be single-valued, and so the coefficients should be treated as multi-valued functions of the energy $E$, $\psi = A(E) e^{-\sqrt{-2mE} \, r} + B(E) e^{i\sqrt{-2mE} \, r}$, so you need to consider Riemann surfaces...
@rob i can only make a ListPlot with errorbars, not ListLinePlot
But even more nuts, the asymptotic wave function is actually $\Psi = r \psi$ with $\psi$ as above, and instead of making energy complex, you can use the fact that near the origin $\psi$ must go as $r^l$ for $l$ the angular momentum, you can assume the angular momentum $l$ can be complex instead, to get this Regge stuff, hmm
rob
rob
@Alucard Hmmm, those error bars are smaller than I expected. What sort of confidence intervals do they represent?
How absolutely nuts is that
rob
rob
@Alucard I'd be interested to see, if you ran that simulation again with a different random number seed / initial condition, if that messy structure would reproduce exactly or if the error bars are underestimated.
22:14
@rob I used the default option so it's 95% confidence
i will try with a different seed
it will take a while tho
rob
rob
@Alucard I look forward to seeing whether the results are consistent.
Since it's my first time working with Monte Carlo methods my program is not very fast. I want to speed it up after I pass the exam but if my measures are not as good as my teacher want my evaluation willl be lower
22:36
i think this is better
but the critical point moved to the right by 0.2
rob
rob
23:08
@Alucard Hmmm, interesting. The three points above 2.7 (is that a dimensionless temperature?) are reproduced pretty well, but basically all of the lower-temperature points are different.
I haven't thought enough about Ising model simulations to tell you what to expect here. Sorry.
i defined J = 1 so the temperature is in truth t/J
@rob thanks anyway , i didn't think about changing the seed until you reminded me of it
I got a 0/10 on my quals for the Ising model question
Ah!
Alucard! Run!
@Alucard Connecting the dots on a graph is nasty and makes Tufte cry. It doesn't add anything to the descriptive power of the graph. and it implies things that you don't know.
23:36
@enumaris holy shit xD
@dmckee uh ok, i will use the ListPlot then
I decided to not even take stat mech cus the prof that taught it sucked...and instead I would just make up for the points elsewhere
loool
as a result, my stat mech kinda sucks
@Alucard There are things you can do to make it both easier to read and more informative.
Box plots. Error bands. Draw a meaningful fit (even a very simple one) through the data and so on.
"In deciding damages in the case, the jury awarded Bryant "$$$1" for funeral expenses, and "$$$1" for each child's "loss of parental companionship, instruction, and guidance and ... mental pain and suffering," verdict forms show. Hill's children are 7, 10 and 13."
WOW!!!
At any rate I'm alive, and I'm going to do cool math things now
BTW they ended up getting 4 cents total if you were curious. Each black child gets one cent
Not an SJW but. ... . . . . . . . . . . ..
23:47
@dmckee but there isn't any expected trend, this is a plot made with measures taken during different run, the only thing i can fit is a polynomial
Attorney John Phillips, who represents Hill's family, called the ruling "perplexing" and questioned why the jury would award $1 for $11,000 in funeral expenses and another dollar for each child's suffering when it could have simply awarded no damages.
^^^
Not spamming just helping create better and more aware humans
cheers
Let me just do my math stuff right? and work, and be a good boy right? Ignore this
right?
@Cows maybe the SJW's have a point?
@bolbteppa they sure have important things to say, and as a human with blood et al, it sure is important to think critically about the message being sent when things like this happen
I'll see how I feel
this stuff is really sad
four cents man!
Let's not pretend a white kid would be worth the same!
It does not end there, even a trivial thing as boarding a plane, in the event of a crash different humans are compensated differently , I think this has to stop
talking from a european prospective here: looks like american cops pull the trigger too easily, maybe it depends on the facts that there are so many weapons around.
the sheriffs wrote some stupid stuff
I want to do something about this
It's really bothering me
Let me just check to see if someone (with power and money) is doing something about it
'Hurtful insult'
"It's heartbreaking," Mr Hill's fiancée, Monique Davis, told the New York Times. "There are a lot of questions I want to ask."

"I think they were trying to insult the case," the family's lawyer, John Phillips, added. "Why go there with the $1? That was the hurtful part."

The jury found that Christopher Newman, the sheriff's deputy who shot Mr Hill, had not used excessive force.

Mr Phillips has set up a page to raise funds for the family and to help cover the cost of the repairs caused by the shooting. It has so far received more than $15,000 in donations.
Does anyone have any ideas about how we can subdue these wild cowboys with technology?
23:58
@vzn have you ever tried to learn alt-math as part of your Bohm/Madelung quest, e.g. youtube.com/watch?v=U75S_ZvnWNk ?

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