The h Bar

John Duffield

21:01

@vzn : people also get their science news off media outlets that spread misinformation and hype.

Sir Cumference

Hey @heather

heather

hello =)

ACuriousMind

@heather how's it going?

John Duffield

@vzn : Woit is always going on about it.

heather

@ACuriousMind pretty good, how about for you?

I was just rereading random parts of Lord of the Rings and relaxing for a little bit =)

ACuriousMind

21:04

@heather Very well, I really can't complain

Sir Cumference

Is Lord of the Rings worth reading as an adult?

heather

@SirCumference yes.

@ACuriousMind that's good =)

@SirCumference it's really not a children's book at all, I first read it when I was a teenager I think (maybe a little earlier) and I really am starting to fully enjoy it only now.

Balarka Sen

Lord of the Rings is a good mythology

heather

To expand on it, it's got an impressive depth of writing and it feels very much like history. If you're worried about level, I'd read it first and then if you enjoy it the hobbit next, which is definitely aimed lower.

ACuriousMind

I'd say no but I really dislike the LotR books. I've had to belabor this point rather often since when I say I'm into fantasy the first response is usually "Oh, like Lord of the Rings?" :P

heather

21:06

and then if you still want more (I sure did) the silmarillion.

@ACuriousMind out of curiousity...why?

Balarka Sen

@heather Well it's really heavily influenced from Norwegian mythos, I think

heather

(for the record, there's a really nice post on reddit on the lotr subreddit on the order of reading and the different books you can read depending on what you want. covers both the posthumous stuff and everything else.)

ACuriousMind

@heather I find the writing style rather tedious and I dislike the black-and-white morality of it

vzn

@JohnDuffield there has been some anti-pop-sci sentiment in here in the past but those who have it, consider/ notice what the "alternative" might be.

heather

@BalarkaSen lol, yeah. Just read the Gylfaginning (look for the dwarf names) and then compare with the list and the list of dwarf names in the hobbit.

John Duffield

21:08

I disliked Lord of the Rings because it's tedious, with 100 pages on Frodo, then 100 pages on Aragorn, et cetera. But I thought The Hobbit was great.

Sir Cumference

@heather I see. I may get down to reading it then

heather

@ACuriousMind i could see the tediousness of the writing style, but i didn't feel like the morality was heavy handed.

Balarka Sen

@heather Nice!! Thanks for that, I didn't actually search for concrete evidence

heather

@JohnDuffield hmm, tedious? interesting. I kind of thought the Hobbit was more likely to be considered tedious - it's a lot slower and a lot less happens.

ACuriousMind

@heather I mean stuff like "all orcs are inherently evil"

Sir Cumference

21:09

@ACuriousMind Do you believe all humans are inherently evil?

I see potential philosophy here

ACuriousMind

I admire Tolkien's worldbuilding though - I just don't like his stories :P

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind I think the content of LoTR was not particularly suitable for belaboring the moral complexity as much as the geographical and mythological complexity

John Duffield

@heather : no probs. I loved it. I still love Smaug. What a character!

heather

@BalarkaSen i wasn't reading it to look for concrete evidence, but I did get a kick out of that. The Prose Edda (that's what the Gylfaginning's in) is pretty approachable. You can also look at (ex) the ring in the myth about Loki/Odin/mysterious companion accidentally killing a dude in the form of an otter and so forth. also for smaug/glauring there's the dragon (i'm forgetting all the names now) that sigurd kills.

Tuki

i had "This chat room is frozen" but when i refreshed it went away

Balarka Sen

21:11

Tolkien was ultimately influenced by Romanticism

heather

and that's just norse mythology. in the silmarillion, turin turambar is clearly influenced by Kullervo in the Kalevala from Finnish myth, and also Oedipus Rex. welsh myth appears. it's fun seeing the connections =)

@JohnDuffield yeah, the dialogue between Smaug and Bilbo is one of my favorite parts of the Hobbit.

ACuriousMind

@SirCumference I believe that "good" and "evil" are not suitable categories to apply to sentient beings, but only to their actions.

heather

hmm, interesting.

Balarka Sen

@heather Wow you seem well-read on this. You'll have to tell me more some day

heather

@BalarkaSen i've become a bit of a tolkien nerd recently =) yeah, there's a lot too it. if you're interested i could recommend some books. i'll try not to clog up the chatroom with it though. you could also ask questions on the literature beta; i understand there's a guy there who did his grad thesis on The Hobbit, so he's a bit of a tolkien expert.

John Duffield

21:13

@heather : I do wish Smaug had been saved for a rainy day.

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Morality is rekt fam. It's the age of cyberpunk

heather

@JohnDuffield lol, like, in LotR, they've just defeated Sauron and Mordor is falling, and then Smaug flies in out of nowhere. "So that's where he got too!" That would've been completely out of character for the book but absolutely hilarious.

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen No, Cyberpunk is only every second Wednesday (that's when my Shadowrun group meets)

Balarka Sen

TUMB TUMB TUUUUM

John Duffield

@heather : Smaug should have struck the killer blow. Redemption.

Balarka Sen

21:16

...these weights thicknesses sounds smells molecular whirlwinds chains nets and channels of analogies concurrences and synchronisms for my Futurist friends poets painters and musicians zang-tumb-tumb-zang-zang-tuuumb tatatatatatatata picpacpampacpacpicpampampac uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

ZANG-TUMB
TUMB-TUMB
TUUUUUM

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Uhhh...what?

Balarka Sen

It's from the book I snapshotted the cover of

It's describing a war

Zang tumb tumb is sound of a bomb exploding

Fascinating shite

@heather I'd really like some recommendations, thanks! But maybe not anytime soon. I'm slumped with neverending exams

After the second week of May, let's say

That rhymed

heather

@BalarkaSen ech, i'm sorry. best of luck on your exams

Balarka Sen

I may end up being a rapper if math doesn't work out

heather

@BalarkaSen you're a regular dr. seuss

ACuriousMind

21:20

@BalarkaSen Sounds like the exams are ending in May, though :P

heather

rapper/children's book writer

0celo7

balarka is probably mc ride

it's highly likely

Balarka Sen

Shrek Grips - Spread Eagle Cross The Swamp

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SHREK GRIPS IS ONLINE

Sir Cumference

Quora blocked me for using a pseudonym

What a load of crap

Anonymous

Just change your name a bit. It will automatically get unblocked

Anonymous

21:23

Till they again detect

Sir Cumference

@Blue I know, but that's just disgusting

John Duffield

:43547782 : I would encourage everybody to use their real names. It discourages people from being unpleasant.

Sir Cumference

@JohnDuffield It's an invasion of privacy

John Duffield

@SirCumference : I obviously beg to differ.

Sir Cumference

@JohnDuffield I mean yeah, you use your real name

ACuriousMind

21:24

@SirCumference It's their site, they can make up whatever rules they like. If you don't like it, the obvious solution is to not participate there.

Sir Cumference

@ACuriousMind Indeed, but come on, let me vent a bit

Anonymous

@SirCumference You know, the user data is very valuable to companies like Quora. I have a strong feeling that Facebook is already selling their data to Quora, because of the recommendations like "Your Facebook XYZ friend is on Quora"

Sir Cumference

@Blue This

Anonymous

They get money by selling "you"

Anonymous

That's why the policy

0celo7

21:25

@Blue careful there lenin

Balarka Sen

Lol

John Duffield

@SirCumference : and I am nice, because I'm always thinking this could be on record forever.

Sir Cumference

I remember Facebook recommending John Rennie as my friend

That's some creepy stuff

ACuriousMind

@Blue Sure they do. Once again - if you don't like it, don't participate. I think the best signal to send to these companies is to simply don't give them any business if you disagree with their model.

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind Yeah, but that's not practical. I have my friends on Quora

Anonymous

21:27

I like companies which value privacy

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I still have a definite Yau error to prove and get famous with

Anonymous

It's sort of a forced compulsion

Balarka Sen

also what if my name is dicktingeler69

0celo7

I'm debating leaving it out of my thesis on the off chance someone who knows this stuff reads it and does it before me

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen You get BANNED!

0celo7

21:28

well, Yau conjecture that he never proved but assumed was true

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 And I genuinely wish you all the best with that :)

John Duffield

@0celo7 : what conjecture?

0celo7

@JohnDuffield it's a secret

although you proving it would be quite incredible

Balarka Sen

John Duffield

@0celo7 : why bring it up then? If it's a secret?

0celo7

21:30

@JohnDuffield Because I was talking to ACM about something related earlier

not eveything concerns you

Sir Cumference

Yikes

Let's just chill

ACuriousMind

@Blue Oh, I'm well aware of that problem (I'm on Facebook, after all :P).

John Duffield

We're chill.

Balarka Sen

Yau's conjecture

In differential geometry, Yau's conjecture from 1982, named after Fields Medalist Shing-Tung Yau, is an important mathematical conjecture which states that a closed Riemannian three-manifold has an infinite number of smooth closed immersed minimal surfaces. It was the first problem in the Minimal submanifolds section in Yau's list of open problems. The conjecture has recently been claimed by Kei Irie, Fernando Codá Marques, and André Neves in the generic case . == References == == Further reading == "Problem section" of Shing-Tung Yau's book Seminar on Differential Geometry....

Curb Your Enthusiasm Theme

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ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Oh dear, what have I done

Balarka Sen

21:32

@ACuriousMind I have stolen the meme

By showing it to me you have only made me stronger

0celo7

@BalarkaSen no, something else

Balarka Sen

I remember Eric mentioning this one

and that Neves proved it

Sir Cumference

@JohnDuffield No one's forcing you to be nice. You be nice because you want to.

Enforcing common decency by requiring our real names is absurd

Cows

Just did laundry, cooking some chicken and rice. It should be a fairly decent day. I think I'd watch movies throughout the day, then do some work(programming) then study(math) at night

John Duffield

@SirCumference : IMHO people who are anonymous are more likely to behave badly than those who are not. As for wanting to be nice, it's a do unto others thing.

ACuriousMind

21:35

Mar 9 at 16:29, by ACuriousMind

This is a chat, not a diary.

heather

well, i mean i guess i use half of my real name.

but on most other sites i use a nickname because privacy reasons.

but then again, i'm a teen, so that is a bit more of a concern than for an adult.

ACuriousMind

@heather No one will ever know you're Tom Heather.

heather

@ACuriousMind say what? is there a cultural reference here?

Sir Cumference

@JohnDuffield That's their right. Likewise, the site has the right to ban a misbehaving user.

ACuriousMind

@heather Just a joke about "half of my real name" not specifying which half ;)

heather

21:37

oh, yeah =)

::mystery::

hopefully it's pretty clear which half.

John Duffield

@SirCumference : LOL. I was talking about the people who run the site.

Balarka Sen

I've been using my real name here since I was 13 or some shit.

John Duffield

@BalarkaSen : but what is it?

0celo7

Shing-Tung MC Ride Hatcher

Balarka Sen

Darude Sandstorm

@0celo7 got me

ACuriousMind

21:39

@heather As clear as it is that your profile picture is a rocket and not a candle ;)

2

0celo7

@ACuriousMind wot

heather

@ACuriousMind lol, everytime i go in a new chat, people get confused.

every time

Lozansky

Oh it's a rocket

3

heather

i've thought about changing my profile picture, but the situation is funny enough that i just keep it.

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 Why do you conflate my personality with that of Yau's

I know no differential geometry

0celo7

21:41

@BalarkaSen greatest mind of the 20th century

Balarka Sen

@Lozansky ::Elon Musk intensifies::

Sir Cumference

@Lozansky Wow, I always thought it was a candle

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 no u. that's Jacques Derrida

heather

@SirCumference you too? I thought we went over this once.

Balarka Sen

Sir Cumference

21:42

@heather It would help if the actual rocket were more visible ;)

Balarka Sen

Disturbing imagery

John Duffield

@BalarkaSen : Elon Musk is a perfume by Givenchy.

heather

@SirCumference yeah, well. it's a rocket launch =)

ACuriousMind

@heather Don't mind him, he returns to thinking I'm a physics prof every two months or so ;P

Balarka Sen

@JohnDuffield Hah, that's a good one

heather

21:43

@ACuriousMind you're not a physics professor? ;)

Sir Cumference

@heather He works in industry

0celo7

he's a BDSM club owner

heather

programmer in COBOL related language now, right?

John Duffield

@BalarkaSen : once you've heard it, it never goes out of your head.

heather

@0celo7 i'm not even gonna ask what that means.

Sir Cumference

21:44

@heather Good decision

0celo7

How do you not know?

Lozansky

Club owner?

ACuriousMind

@heather Yup :)

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 there are kids here

heather

@0celo7 uh...i dunno without knowing what exactly it is and what category of my ignorance it falls into. =P

0celo7

21:44

@BalarkaSen There's no kids on SE, by law.

Sir Cumference

@0celo7 < 18 := kid

We've been over this

0celo7

no

we've been over you being wrong, yes

ACuriousMind

Let's just say that BDSM is not a topic for this room to discuss further and move on :P

John Duffield

I'd quite like to get to know Elon Musk.

ACuriousMind

@heather Also, "COBOL related" really does modern ABAP injustice :P

dmckee

21:50

@0celo7 There are no kids identified at the primary account holder. Adults (both responsible and otherwise) are free to set up an account for themselves and let their kid use it. Moreover, it doesn't take an account to read chat.

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind There was a SE site where it was on-topic (during beta). But got closed soon. I forgot the name

Emilio Pisanty

@BalarkaSen ACM is German

Anonymous

Probably this one

Anonymous

Sexuality – sexuality.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for q&A site for frank and clinical information on human sexuality.

Closed after 16 days in beta.

John Duffield

Uh oh.

Emilio Pisanty

21:52

statistically speaking, the chance of him being the owner of a BDSM club is probably a good deal higher than if he came from any other country

0celo7

@EmilioPisanty that was the joke.

Thanks for being the one person besides ACM himself to get it

Emilio Pisanty

@Blue "frank and clinical information"?

Balarka Sen

I guessed that was the joke

Emilio Pisanty

that sounds like an enormously overambitious goal

@BalarkaSen or a joke, yes

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty Seems like an ambitious job for Frank.

Emilio Pisanty

21:54

what?

oh

John Duffield

OK guys, I've got some physics to do. Bye.

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty It's a German first name.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind also American...

Emilio Pisanty

also French

Sir Cumference

Lots of places

Emilio Pisanty

21:55

and British

0celo7

the British are Americans

Sir Cumference

@0celo7 A place that calls french fries "chips" isn't American

0celo7

stop being a xenophobe

Sir Cumference

That's not xenophobia, it's a literal fact

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference that's... inaccurate

Sir Cumference

21:57

Do you guys know any Americans who say "chips"?

Emilio Pisanty

the stuff that gets sold as "french fries" in the US is also called "fries" in the UK

0celo7

oh here comes Emilio preaching about "America" vs "US of America"

Emilio Pisanty

@0celo7 not this time, no

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty That doesn't negate what I said. A place that says "chips" isn't American

Even if it says "chips" as well as "fries"

dmckee

@SirCumference Only when I am ordering the iconic British dish that also comes with fried fish.

ACuriousMind

22:00

@SirCumference ...so what do Americans call the non-air part of Lays?

Sir Cumference

@ACuriousMind Aargh

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference I find it funny how people zero in on the fries/chips divide so much

Sir Cumference

I give up

0celo7

@ACuriousMind potato chips

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind dust

0celo7

22:01

crapitalism

Emilio Pisanty

the pants/trousers divide is so much stronger

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty Americans love their fries

ACuriousMind

And yet Dutch fries are the best

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind ... is an objectively wrong statement

dmckee

@EmilioPisanty I think it is useful because (a) almost everyone knows about it (even some rather provincial folks from the fly-over states) and (b) it's not a distinction that many people get angry about.

Emilio Pisanty

22:02

specifically as regards the presence (and moreover the quantity) of mayonnaise

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty Do you not like mayonnaise or do you just dislike the Dutch version of it?

Emilio Pisanty

mayonnaise on chips/fries is ridiculous

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I don't eat non-instruments.

ACuriousMind

not eating fries with mayonnaise is what's ridiculous!

dmckee

Oh my, the friteries around the French/Belgium border are really good. But you have to tell them to keep the mayo, as that is not a proper dip for fried stuff.

Anonymous

22:04

@EmilioPisanty Why would you say that?

Anonymous

It tastes great

Emilio Pisanty

@Blue because it is objectively right

Sir Cumference

@ACuriousMind People eat fries with mayonnaise? o_o

Anonymous

@EmilioPisanty That statement itself is subjective :P

dmckee

::stands with Emilio::

Sir Cumference

22:05

I've always thought it was ketchup or nothing

Emilio Pisanty

@dmckee thank you

dmckee

Well, slightly behind and to one side, but with him in principle.

0celo7

this was even in pulp fiction

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference well, there's countries where they put mayo on them

you should try it once

just to see how terrible it is

0celo7

mayonnaise raw...what is wrong with people

Sir Cumference

22:06

Ahaha

0celo7

it literally makes me gag

Anonymous

Strange. I seem to like it.

0celo7

it's basically drain cleaner

with mold

Anonymous

We've different tastes

Anonymous

It's like that mango debate

Anonymous

22:07

lol

Balarka Sen

fuck mayo

0celo7

based Balarka

Sir Cumference

@BalarkaSen Woah

ACuriousMind

@SirCumference Sure they do! It's the default condiment for them here, although many also opt for ketchup

Pommes Rot-Weiß (literally "fries red-white", actually fries with mayonnaise and ketchup) is a classic

dmckee

Actually in the parts of Europe I've stayed they don't just serve it straight. You can also get it (mayo) so loaded up with spices and stuff that the color and texture is changed. That's enough better that you could try it twice.

But I'm provincial enough to want ketchup or ranch dressing on mine.

0celo7

22:09

RANCH

WHAT

ACuriousMind

@Blue Oh god, not mangoes! :D

Sir Cumference

@ACuriousMind Ketchup and mayonnaise?

Germany is like another planet from the US...

ACuriousMind

@SirCumference Yes.

dmckee

@ACuriousMind But is that good or bad?

Balarka Sen

I only eat syrup sandwiches

ACuriousMind

22:10

@dmckee Since mayonnaise is good and ketchup is bad, it's neutral.

0celo7

@BalarkaSen ok kenny

Sir Cumference

Ketchup is good, just not on its own

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 BE WOKE

Eat a syrup sandwich now

Someone should redo the Pepsi commercial but with Kenny boi handing out a syrup sandwich to the policeman

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen cough syrup sandwich? ;)

Sir Cumference

French fries with maple syrup is the way to go

Balarka Sen

22:12

you're obviously not woke enough to get the reference @Blue

im disappointed

"HUMBLE." but almost every lyric is "syrup sandwiches"

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Anonymous

@BalarkaSen I'm getting old and grey

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference there's also the UK option of vinegar on your chips

I kid you not

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty Vinegar is actually a pretty good option, too

0celo7

that doesn't seem as bad as mayo

ACuriousMind

I sometimes go for that if the queue in front of the mayo dispenser is too long

Anonymous

22:14

@BalarkaSen Ah

dmckee

@EmilioPisanty You can get malted vinegar on fries around here, too. At least a few places. It's better on the fish than on the potatoes.

Emilio Pisanty

though admittedly the stuff they put on tables in fish 'n chips places in the UK isn't actually vinegar

0celo7

@EmilioPisanty Do you have a reference for asymptotic expansion of harmonic functions using the spherical harmonics?

Emilio Pisanty

The Fake Vinegar In British Fish and Chip Shops

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Anonymous

Lays used to earlier sell their chips with some special sauce which used to come in sachets. I miss those.They were really good

Emilio Pisanty

22:16

@0celo7 what?

0celo7

@EmilioPisanty what what

Emilio Pisanty

2D or 3D?

0celo7

n

of course

Emilio Pisanty

asymptotic with respect to what?

@0celo7 then no

0celo7

$|x|\to\infty$

Emilio Pisanty

22:17

if you're OK with generalizing 3D methods, then I guess I could find one

Sebastiano

Godd evening users of Physics.

Emilio Pisanty

I would just go to Jackson and/or the DLMF

Sebastiano

Is there any user that can solve my question, please?

Anonymous

@Sebastiano Yes and No

0celo7

@Sebastiano probably not

dmckee

22:18

Can solve it: probably. Will solve it: depends.

Sebastiano

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Q: Orthogonality relationship of electric field and electrical potential of two parallel plates

We known that the potential generated by a charge pointwise $q$ is $V(r) = kq/r $ and the equipotential surfaces (in 3D) are spheres centered in the charge with $r\geq 0$ where $r=d(O,P)$, i.e. the distance between the origin and a generic point $P$. In fact if we are in space, where an orthono...

0celo7

@dmckee you can probably solve any problem??

Sebastiano

@Blue why?

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty Is it actually fake if no one cares? Is that not just culinary prescriptivism? ;P

Sebastiano

@0celo7 Why probaly not?

dmckee

22:20

@0celo7 I meant "funny-backwards-E user \in physics.stackexchange s.t. cansolve(user,problem) = true".

Sebastiano

I hope in the your help.

Emilio Pisanty

@Sebastiano well, there isn't much of an actual question there

This seems to be merely the fact that the gradient is perpendicular to the equipotential surface. — Qmechanic ♦ 2 days ago

↑ it does just mostly boil down to that

It's a standard fact; any textbook on multi-variable calculus will have a proof

Balarka Sen

Amazing

galmeida

test

Sebastiano

@EmilioPisanty I would have a mathematical proof as mine

Emilio Pisanty

22:23

@Sebastiano then go read a textbook

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Do you have any good reason to bring that here?

Sebastiano

@EmilioPisanty Thanks for you kindeless

dmckee

@Sebastiano I'm afraid I'm with Emilo on this: this is covered in varying levels of mathematical details in standard textboosk.

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Not other than just being purely amusing, no

Emilio Pisanty

... and you've not given enough details on your current background for us to offer any meaningful recommendations

Balarka Sen

22:24

It doesn't immediately sound controversial.

Emilio Pisanty

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A: Why is electric field zero where equipotential surfaces intersect?

First of all, let's clear the air with a simple example that showcases the desired behaviour (and which is essentially isomorphic to most nontrivial cases). Consider in particular, the following claim: The potential $V(x,y,z) = V_0 \, xy$ is a perfectly valid electrostatic potential, and it c...

↑ this answer has a proof, though

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Considering the inflammatory nature of most things remotely political, do you really think that's purely amusing?

Balarka Sen

Me, personally? Yes. If you don't feel free to remove it.

You/rest of the community

Emilio Pisanty

@BalarkaSen that doesn't beat the urinals that come up out of the street in central London

Sebastiano

@EmilioPisanty But not exist a simple proof?

ACuriousMind

22:26

@BalarkaSen I'm asking because it was flagged. Although I would ask the flagger to consider once again to use their words before casting a flag.

Emilio Pisanty

@Sebastiano there is a simple proof in the answer I just linked to.

Watford's new pop up loo in operation

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Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Odd. Well, I have made my clear stance on why I posted the picture: pure amusement (I would have posted just the image but the title was a necessary context). If anyone feel it is offensive/inflammatory, sounds like a fair deal to get it removed.

dmckee

@Sebastiano "simple proof" means very different things to people at differeing level of mathematical sophistication.

Emilio Pisanty

seriously? that's a video taken in broad daylight. Folks, use your words.

ACuriousMind

^seconded, and flag dismissed.

Sebastiano

22:28

@EmilioPisanty I would to have undestood how to have a beam of parallel plates.

Emilio Pisanty

@Sebastiano you should probably grammar if want understood

dmckee

The one Emilio linked to is written in language that would be opaque to most of my students in the algebra/trig class (rendering it anything but "simple" to them) but is much clearer and easier for me than the one I would have to give the students (except that I wouldn't botehr for that class, because they don't care and don't need to know).

Balarka Sen

@EmilioPisanty Holy shit (To be taken literally)

Emilio Pisanty

(sorry, that was a bit too much on the sharp side. But that question isn't particularly clear.)

Balarka Sen

Ping pong boom

Emilio Pisanty

22:30

@BalarkaSen they're all over London

you don't notice them during the day 'cause they're just random metal circles on the sidewalk

and at night there's a nonzero chance you're drunk anyways

nitsua60

@Sebastiano practice making it easy for people to help you get what you want. Why don't you let everyone know what level of mathematics and physics you've attained, and what part(s) of the various resources you've been pointed to are giving you trouble?

Sebastiano

@EmilioPisanty I do not agree. Anyway thanks the same for the indication received. Greetings to all.

Semiclassical

I’ll admit, one nice thing about the mobile chat is that I don’t see chat flags

nitsua60

^^

Anonymous

@Sebastiano This answer is quite clear I think

nitsua60

22:32

Everyone else: why don't you try giving that sort of advice to someone new who's coming to you in a moment of vulnerability/neediness and for whom the dominant language seems not to be their first before mocking them?

0celo7

@nitsua60 what?

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 I mock you for not being able to speak the Holy Roman Language

0celo7

it hurts

wait, what

I do speak german

what are you on about

Balarka Sen

Hahah

Emilio Pisanty

@Sebastiano We are here to help. But you do need to help us help you.

nitsua60

22:34

@0celo7 Someone comes in with (what I assume) is a genuine question and rather than getting kindly instructed in what the room's expecting from a querent, they get driven out. That strikes me as a pretty crappy way to treat other humans.

0celo7

when does that happen

nitsua60

(gotta run)

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen You're not helping. Please take a step back and consider how you're coming across.

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Seriously? Who speaks Latin in this day and age?

0celo7

r u d e

Emilio Pisanty

22:37

@Sebastiano To expand on our previous answers: your question does not make it clear whether you're after a general proof (in which case it does just come down to a standard fact in textbooks, and if you want a specific recommendation then you need to be more specific about your current level of understanding of calculus for us to give you answers that are useful to you) or whether you're just after something specific to the parallel-plates capacitor

(in which case you should say a bit more about how much you understand of that configuration so that we can say stuff that's useful to you)

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen That's...not my point at all. You're simply ridiculing nitsua's reasonable request.

Emilio Pisanty

Keep in mind that "simple" is a subjective statement, and unless you give more information about your background, a request to "keep things simple" is impossible to meet.

@ACuriousMind shall we... not have a discussion about moderation?

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty Recent events would indicate it may be time to have such discussions again. However, I'm certainly ready to have them in the meta chat instead.

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind No, I wasn't. There was no direct offensive against nitsua's request. It is simply being perceived as such. I think this room is fixated on trying to police the conversations constantly without looking at the context or content of the conversations involved.

Anonymous

Let's drop this maybe

Emilio Pisanty

22:42

^

Balarka Sen

Probably the better idea, but the room won't run long while constantly shoving the problems under the rug.

Anyhow, I'm out

Cya on the flip side.

0celo7

the room is dead.

@ACuriousMind leaving was the start

0celo7

22:58

@ACuriousMind what does one call elements of O(n), typically?

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 "rotations and reflections"?

0celo7

no, symbols

ACuriousMind

Uhhh...$R,S,T$?

0celo7

S works, thanks

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