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12:00 AM
Oh wait @bolbteppa just posted that formula. Silly me.
You could only use $\gamma^\rho\gamma^\mu = -\gamma^\mu\gamma^\rho$ if the anticommutator were zero
 
 
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4:28 AM
Division by zero algebra Theorem 1: Given any algebraic structure $(S,\cdot,+)$ such that $\cdot$ left distribute over $+$ and the underlying set $S$ arbitrary, and that there exists a left or right multiplicative inverse to a left or right additive identity, the addition structure must have the following form:
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Proof:
For all $x \in S$
$0+x=x$
Multiply both sides by the zero inverse on the left
$q0+qx=qx \implies 1+qx=qx$
Since $q$ is injective by definition of an inverse $X = qS \subseteq S$. By the above equation, all elements of $X$ dominates 1 on the right.
Now multiply both sides with some $y \in S$
$y1+y(qx)=y(qx)$
The morphisms $y\cdot$ can be injective, surjective, bijective or neither, thus $y(qS) \subseteq qS$
Now, note that the term on the RHS dominates $y$. Repeat the above argument, we end up with a linearly ordered decreasing chain of subsets of $qS$ that is the images after multiply
Diagram is uploaded in Scrambles
 
4:43 AM
Details on the multiplication structure still to be worked out, but 00=0 is a known no go condition
Proof involve running through 4 cases involving left inverse and right inverse
Any further investigation is not sustainable with PhD progress thus will be posponded until the PhD is completed
 
5:36 AM
@0celo7 I thought about what you said and you've got a point. I think, a triple major is the way to go.
Math, Physics and Chemistry. With those, you have the universe's secrets at your fingertips when you graduate
 
6:28 AM
@SirCumference you’re insane dude
that’s totally a bad ideA
the only thing you’ll have when you graduate is the realization that you don’t know shit about any of them and that your areas of study were to broad to learn anything related research in any single one of them.
 
 
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8:19 AM
@SirCumference he said, two weeks later
 
8:30 AM
13 bucks for a GR book!
It's only 20 pages but still
A piece of history
 
Advanced Stidues :-)
 
the best kind
although from the look of things, I suspect this may be one of those books
you know the kind
cheap cover with xeroxed pages inside
 
!//lookup dictionary: Xeroed
(entry found)
 
Stop talking to yourself as a robot, @Secret, it's very annoying.
8
 
9:43 AM
"It is one of the little ironies of our times that while the layman was being indoctrinated with the stereotypic image of black holes as the ultimate cookie monsters, the professionals have been swinging round to the almost directly opposing view that black holes, like growing old, are really not so bad when you consider the alternative."
 
9:54 AM
"The worry is illustrated in Fig. 3.1 where all sorts of nasty things - TV sets showing Nixon's "Checkers speech", green slime, Japanese horror movie monsters, etc. - emerge helter-skelter from the singularity."
The worst possible scenario
 
10:32 AM
"In Fig. 3.5b the black hole is even blacker because even those unfortunate observers who fall into the hole cannot 'see' the singularity, though they may well feel and, indeed, may be torn apart by the tidal forces as they are inevitably sucked into the singularity. Nevertheless, they may take some cold comfort in the fact that SCC holds."
 
@Slereah as I recall there is an apparent horizon that recedes before the infalling observer, so the observer sees only a horizon retreating from them. They only reach the horizon at the moment they hit the singularity.
 
it's a rough ride
"Of course, the statement that no singularity exists will be hotly disputed by the ghosts of the observers who have been sucked into the black hole and have been snuffed out after only a finite existence (as measured by their respective proper times)."
Every sentence of that book is great
 
@JohnRennie Good Morning :)
 
11:15 AM
Hello physics nerds
 
no u
 
11:30 AM
[Random]
One of the old (?) mangas I read in the past, and one of the 3 things (the other two being theoretical physics papers) that give me this thought that time is discontinuous
 
Even if time can flow backwards, it probably won't make much of a difference
Nature so far seemed extremely hell bent at keeping FTL phenomenon at bay
o btw, found this in one of my diaries:
> I have no idea why I think like a computer, but it seems quite efficient in getting the job done
5 minutes, is more than enough to divert history in a universe where history is malleable
It will be in interesting, if 1 picosecond is also enough to cause a rippling change in history
There are so many unknowns about this hypothetical subject known as temporal mechanics (first coined by star trek), but we believe, quantum gravity will either shut everything down, or give us more leads on where this lead to
 
11:55 AM
@Tanuj I think we've finished arguing about angular acceleration. What's up with the laptop?
 
@JohnRennie that windows update assistant gets reinstalled by itself and is forcibly wanting me to update the windows.
 
Windows 10?
 
Yup
Sadly.
 
To be fair I like Windows 10.
But ... in W10 you can't disable updates.
 
Hmm, tbh I'd never buy windows if I could afford Mac
 
12:00 PM
MS did that deliberately because so many un-updated W7 PCs are major security risks.
 
@JohnRennie what? So do I just let it use all my Internet?
 
He's gone for now, h bar can resume normal operation
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@Tanuj I thought there's a metered connection setting?
 
@Tanuj the routine monthly updates aren't very large. If it's one of the annual feature updates it will be big, but they only happen once a year.
 
@Secret never heard of it.
@JohnRennie but that's not the main problem tbh. Problem is how can windows bring back and install something I deleted without my permission?
 
@Tanuj Settings then Network and Internet
 
12:03 PM
Oh and on top of that they don't tell us the size of update
 
then Change connection properties, and you can set the connection type to metered.
I think that stops Windows downloading updates on that connection.
What is your connection anyway? Through your phone using a hotspot?
 
@JohnRennie what effect will that have apart from that?
@JohnRennie yes
Hotspot from phone
 
@Secret Who?
 
You know who
 
@Tanuj I though Indian mobile data connections were pretty good. What's your data allowance?
 
12:05 PM
Who?
I don't @Secret
 
Ask me later, I don't want to interrupt johnrennie and Tanuj
 
@JohnRennie 3 gigs per day
 
That's loads. Good grief man, just let it update!
 
@Secret so nice of ya dude.Nothing special going on here though.
 
The updates won't use but a fraction of that.
 
12:07 PM
@JohnRennie I have no issues with the size tbh, but I don't wanna do it now. Maybe sometime later. Because once on update, I cannot use my Internet for any other purpose. It's basically dead.
 
Then set the connection to metered
That tells Windows it's an expensive connection so not to download updates on it.
 
Good. Where do I find that setting?
 
6 mins ago, by John Rennie
@Tanuj Settings then Network and Internet
 
I'm there already.
 
7 mins ago, by John Rennie
then Change connection properties, and you can set the connection type to metered.
 
12:12 PM
Can't find it. I'm on win home
I'll just Google it.
 
yup, nothing like that on windows 10 home
No wait.I did it.
@JohnRennie will that really stop windows from updating? And will it have any other effects
 
Settings, Wifi, Manage known networks on W10 Home I think.
@Tanuj I think that tells W10 not to use that connection for updates. Try it and see. There shouldn't be any other side effects, but then you can always change it back if there are.
But honestly, tonight leave it on and let it download updates. Once they're all downloaded future updates will be small and fast.
 
@JohnRennie Okay master! I'll leave it to download.
Thanks @JohnRennie :)
@JohnRennie silly question, but how do I update it? Like can I start it manually?
 
@Tanuj Settings, Update and Security, and click Check for updates
 
12:27 PM
@JohnRennie I'll rather use the update assistant instead. Lol the ironic part. It says you can always revert back if you don't like the new version. Lol why don't they ask it before?
 
12:55 PM
"It is now time to question the obsession with Cauchy surfaces"
 
1:07 PM
"With only energy and causality conditions in place, the CCH fails, as is shown by the " shell-crossing" singularities that may arise in spherically symmetric dust collapse (see Yodzis et al. 1973). The collapse is arranged so that the outer shells of dust fall inward faster than the inner shells. A black hole eventually develops, but not before the crossing of shells produces an infinite density singularity that is visible from both near and far."
 
Why is it so damn cold here
 
Thermodynamics
 
I am more interested in non deterministic spacetimes beyond the cauchy horizon. I wonder if there are non black hole examples that are plausible to exist in nature
 
1:22 PM
"But it is polemically buttressed by the fact that the question of cosmic censorship would be much less interesting if determinism could fail in special and general relativistic settings for reasons having nothing to do with the development of naked singularities."
heh
 
well (assuming I understood the above correctly) I agree, in a non deterministic universe, time is no longer a good way to label events, let alone trying to work out which events are in the past light cone or the future
hmm...
 
1:44 PM
"Steinmuller, King, and Lasota (1975) showed that a momentarily naked singularity (see Fig. 3.10) can be produced by having a collapsing star radiate away its mass in such a way that the star never forms a black hole since it remains outside of its Schwarzschild radius (see also Lake and Hellaby 1981)."
 
hmm... momentarily, so I am guessing it collapse again soon after, as otherwise non deterministic phenomenon would have leaked to the surroundings from the naked singularity already as it interacts with the environment?
 
$F_{coulumbic}=\dfrac{q_1q_2}{4\pi \epsilon_o r^2} $
Right?
 
yes
 
But in my book (discussing derivations of Bohrs model),its written in one of the derivations:
Force acting on elecrons due to coulmbic attraction is $F= \dfrac{Ze^2}{4\pi \epsilon_o r^2}$
Why multipication by Z?
 
In atomic theory, you consider a nucleus with $Z$ protons and 1 electron
The nucleus has charge $q_1 = Ze$ and the electron $q_2 = -e$
 
1:55 PM
Ahh okay!
Thanks!
is there any derivation of $mvr = n\dfrac{h}{2\pi}$
Or is it just his assumption?
 
It is an assumption in the Bohr model
But it can be justified with Schrodinger later on
or even just with De Broglie
 
$\lambda = \dfrac h p$
 
De Broglie's theory, not the de Broglie relation
 
Smart Bohr! Gave such a good assumption!
 
a bit ad hoc, but it worked out
Same as Planck
 
2:00 PM
@Slereah I searched on net, and there's a derivation which uses the fact that electrons are standing waves so $2\pi r = n \lambda$
2 mins ago, by Abcd
$\lambda = \dfrac h p$
Dividing the two we get $mvr = nh/2pi$
 
@Abcd yes, that was de Broglie's theory
 
@Slereah Is his theory correct? (particularly this one)
 
@Abcd No, but it eventually gave quantum theory
 
hmm, so electrons aren't standing waves?
 
they are not, a wavefunction does not need to be waving to be time independent
 
2:04 PM
Hmm, JR had told that. Bound electrons are particles.
@Secret Please see first three lines of this answer: physics.stackexchange.com/a/196040/168273
 
Duffield???
(disregard what the community thought about him, my analysis proceed as normal)
Please wait
@Slereah @Semiclassical do we call time independent solutions of theschroedinger equation as standing waves if they don't have any noticeable peaks and trough in it (e.g. exponential decaying)?
 
@Secret Please ping me when you reply to me, I am afk till then.
 
@Abcd ok
 
"Figure 3.12b pictures the evaporation of a black hole by means of a catastrophic burst of electromagnetic radiation (thunderbolt)
Oh no
People keep saying that black holes at the LHC aren't a threat because they'll evaporate but they never bring up the case where that would destroy the universe
Apparently Earman thinks thunderbolts are a good thing because while they destroy the universe, they preserve cosmic censorship
 
2:25 PM
so we are more than confident that the LHC have yet to produce any micro black holes
 
@loocsieulb Then we need more PhDs
2 more won't hurt
If people can get MD-Phds, I'm sure 3 PhDs aren't too much to ask
@Slereah Took some time before I realized this was exactly what I needed
 
2:40 PM
"For whatever psychological reasons, we are less disturbed by an inability to retrodict or determine the past than by an inability to predict or determine the future."
 
Anonymous
3:02 PM
@SirCumference You're underestimating the amount of time and energy that people invest in getting a single PhD :P Even thinking of 3, makes my head spin. Also, only "collecting" degrees doesn't really help
 
@Blue I'm just kidding around, I'm not crazy enough to pursue three different fields :P
 
Anonymous
Moreover, graduate students don't earn as much as they would have if they directly went to industry after their undergrad
 
"If we envisage an isolated naked singularity as a source of new matter in the universe, then we do not quite have unlimited freedom in this! For although in the neighborhood of the singularity we have no equations, we still have normal physics in the space-time surrounding the singularity.
From the mass energy flux theorems of Bondi et al. and Sachs, it follows that it is not possible for more mass to be ejected from a singularity than the original total mass of the system, unless we are allowed to be left with a singularity of negative total mass. (Such a singularity would repel other bod
 
Anonymous
So around 15 years of low pay is no joke
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Well, I thought you had gone crazy ;)
 
3:05 PM
@Blue I thought I'd overdone the joke when I mentioned 3 PhDs
 
Anonymous
Hmm. I do like the option of dual major or major+minor though. Something can math+comp sci can be very useful
 
Anonymous
Triple major is a bit too much on the other hand
 
hello everybody
 
Ahah
Earman talks about holedness
finally
It's apparently related to Choquet's theorem on GR determinism
 
@Blue Yeah. In reality I'm doing a math and physics major, plus a comp sci and applied math minor
Which isn't too much work in itself
 
Anonymous
3:19 PM
@SirCumference Woah
 
What?
 
Anonymous
I wish we had that facility here
 
Anonymous
Here we have only the option for single major and no minor
 
Anonymous
The US system is far more flexible
 
Really? :/
 
Anonymous
3:21 PM
Yup, unfortunately
 
In the US you can usually spend the first 1-2 years as an undecided major. That an option for other countries?
 
Anonymous
In India, very few places, like the 5 IISERs have that option (of undecied major initially). But those institutes only teach pure science subjects like physics, chemistry, biology
 
Anonymous
The Indian system still lags behind the rest of the world...
 
Meh, the US system costs on average $60k/yr
 
Anonymous
Lol, well, that
 
Anonymous
3:24 PM
That's one advantage here :P
 
Anonymous
$7 per semester
 
;-;
Tbh no grad school cares about a double major. But I guess it can open up some opportunities
 
Anonymous
What's happening (starring unstarring)
 
@SirCumference not really in the UK either, aside from some specific courses at specific unis
 
Driving to long beach for a quick meeting at a hotel.
 
Anonymous
3:34 PM
wtf
 
@DavidZ you're a mod right? Can you fix the starring issue (do we have a rogue starrer?)
 
Anonymous
Actually I don't think mods can know who exactly is starring
 
Anonymous
Just predict perhaps
 
@Mithrandir24601 Is the tuition any better in the UK, on average?
 
@Blue It's my first port of call when something weird like that happens - they can remove stars (I think), so they might be able to do something about it
@SirCumference no idea :P some is fantastic, some, not so much - it depends an awful lot on the individual lecturers and universities
 
3:40 PM
I see
 
I can't compare to the U.S. system, as I've only experienced 2 lectures from someone (my secondary supervisor) there (and that was actually in China at the time)
Anyway, I've got to go and tutor people now (of all times to have such a conversation :P)
 
Anonymous
Seeyou\o
 
@Blue But yeah, maybe 1/3 people here double major, but few will double major and double minor. The only reason I'm doing that is because comp sci is a good backup, and applied math requires a lot of courses I may make use of in the future (e.g. Probability and Statistics, or Programming in Python)
@Mithrandir24601 See ya
I have to head off to take my midterm
 
@Blue Hey ! How's college treating you ?
 
4:03 PM
What's the mechanical equivalent of $eV_o = Energy$ where $V_o$ is potential and $e$ is electronic charge? (Asking the mechanical equivalent so that I can relate it for the time being until I learn Electricity stuff. )
by mechanical equivalent I mean mechanical analogue.
 
4:28 PM
In long beach now. Meeting starts at 10:30. I will be on a boat in the mean time
 
@Abcd I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "mechanical analogue", but $E = mU$ where $U$ is gravitational potential energy is analogous.
@Cows You really don't need to update us about your schedule.
This is a chat, not a diary.
 
4:39 PM
@ACuriousMind Okay, thanks.
 
Do we call time independent solutions of SE as standing waves if they lack trough and peaks (i.e. not wave looking in the mathematical expression)?
 
I don't call any solutions of the SE waves because that terminology has confused far too many people :P
 
I see
 
@ACuriousMind I can't find this equation anywhere... what's E - Energy?
 
@Abcd Sure
 
4:44 PM
Then the equation you gave is dimensionally incorrect...
 
No, it is not. By definition, the gravitational potential is gravitational energy per unit mass.
 
@Abcd any new questions ?
 
Hmm, you had written "Gravitational potential energy".
@Tanuj I'll let you know if there are any questions please don't ask that every hour.
 
Oh, right. Yeah, strike the energy there
 
@Abcd okay dude , chill .
 
4:48 PM
@SirCumference sircum is loosin it
 
@JohnRennie Hey ! The update didn't work.
 
Anonymous
Got a bit stuck in this stuff (probably it's something silly which I'm overlooking): If $(T-\lambda_1I)(T-\lambda_2I)...(T-\lambda_mI)v=0$, then how can be say that $(T-\lambda_j I)$ is not injective for at least one $j$? $T$ is an operator on a finite-dimensional complex vector space $V$.
 
Anonymous
Basically they started by saying that $v,Tv,T^2v,...,T^nv$ are not linearly independent
 
Anonymous
So there must exist complex numbers $a_0,a_1,...$ such that $a_0v+a_1Tv+...+a_nT^nv=0\implies c(T-\lambda_1)...(T-\lambda_mI)v=0$
 
@Tanuj was it one of the big updates? A feature update?
 
4:55 PM
@JohnRennie It said it was upgrading to a newer version altogether
 
@Tanuj ah, yes, hat's what MS call a feature update.
 
@Blue If $v\neq 0$, then only non-injective operators can map it to zero. Is that what you're asking?
 
@JohnRennie How large would that be ? It nearly consumed 500 mb and still showed 0% done
 
No Windows updates for me anymore :)
 
4:57 PM
@ACuriousMind How ?
 
@Tanuj By not using Windows :P
 
I knew it
 
@ACuriousMind Ah , lucky.
 
He swapped his laptop for an Etch-a-sketch
It crashes less :-)
 
Haha
 
4:58 PM
@Tanuj Uh, not really - I damaged my last Windows installation somehow so badly it didn't boot anymore and switched to Linux. Not luck, but a conscious decision!
@JohnRennie The graphics are also better!
 
@ACuriousMind John's trolling you hard
 
Hm? I see no trolling, just jokes
 
@ACuriousMind Microsoft gives so many reasons to discontinue using it
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind Aha! Yeah. Non-injective operators can only map the zero vector to zero. Right, right. I was indeed being silly. :)
 
5:00 PM
@JohnRennie That's basically what I did with my work laptop when it locked me out today and it worked! :D
 
@JohnRennie you're in form , mate !
 
Maybe they did give me an Etch-a-sketch...
 
@JohnRennie @ACuriousMind I literally used to do that with my old laptop when it started getting heating issues
 
Anonymous
Actually shaking does work in some cases. Like old television remotes start working again
 
Anonymous
I don't know about laptops though XD
 
5:03 PM
@JohnRennie Can I never know beforehand how large the update's gonna be ? MS has to be more transparent.
 
"Dicke was also concerned about the poorly defined gravitational perturbation, caused by the observer himself. This potential source of error was well known to Eötvös. While the vibrations of the torsion pendulum were damped, the observer was far away. When the balance had come to rest, the observer came running and made the reading, before the pendulum (of period of 40 minutes) had time to swing out"
oh science is fun
 
@Tanuj I can't remember how much info Windows give you while it's downloading. I thought it did give the size. Anyhow a feature update is about a GB I think.
 
@JohnRennie I've done some googling and seems there are only 3rd party software that could come to my rescue
@JohnRennie It is indeed that fall creators update
 
If it were my laptop I would wait for the Spring update, then I would wipe and reinstall the laptop using the Spring update.
 
@JohnRennie just look at the size of that first update ! Is this a joke ?
 
5:17 PM
It's not 195GB :-)
 
Lol how much is it then ?
 
There's a bug somewhere in the displaying of the data.
 
Huh , I'm so done with this.
@JohnRennie any way I can get a Windows 10 pro ?
 
@Tanuj Yes, the install files are freely downloadable from Microsoft.
 
Really ? I thought I had to buy it
 
5:20 PM
Your laptop has a Windows licence coded into its BIOS so you don't need an install key.
 
@JohnRennie how do you know ?
 
All modern laptops are designed that way. Well, they are if it's a big name laptop - Dell, HP, Acer, Asus, etc
 
It is Dell
 
Which model?
 
System Model Vostro 15-3568
@JohnRennie Okay , so basically I'm on home edition and want to get pro or some better edition , what's the first thing to do ?
 
Anonymous
5:26 PM
You can't change editions without buying
 
Ah, OK, sorry I misunderstood what you were asking. No, there is no way to upgrade from Home to Pro for free.
But there is almost no difference between the two editions.
 
That's what I was saying.
 
Anonymous
Do you have Windows 10?
 
Anonymous
Home Edition should be fine for you
 
@JohnRennie I've heard with pro , you get access to gpedit.msc which really helps us control most of the stuff
 
5:27 PM
As far as performance goes they are the same. The limitations of Home reall only affect business users e.g. W10 Homecannot join an Active Directory domain.
Does Home not have the policy snapin? Hmm.
 
nope
no power to the user.
@JohnRennie Would you recommend doing this ?
 
It's probably safe. No guarantees though.
But what do you want to do using gpedit.msc?
I can't think of anything I have used it for on my laptop.
 
There are services that I could block (Updates) !
 
Anonymous
You can disable automatic updates even on Windows 10 Home edition
 
@Blue I did , but then it won't let me skip the fall creators update , it automatically installs windows update utility and starts downloading updates. Its giving me headaches
 
Anonymous
5:40 PM
Hmm, time to get rid of Windows and get Linux :P
 
@JohnRennie One drive login window appears whenever I open my laptop, how to disable that? Its annoying.
 
@JohnRennie Ah , that fall creators update is 2.37 GB
 
@Abcd Uninstall OneDrive?
 
lol
 
@JohnRennie I use it...I have its folders in my documents... (which can be used without login)
 
5:43 PM
Press ctrl-shift-escape to open the Task manager
Then click on the Startup tab
 
@loocsieulb Nah, I was kidding around
 
yes
 
That shows you what apps run as soon as you log in. OneDrive is probably in the list and you can disable it.
 
Thanks!
 
can't believe that got leaked on the internet!!!
 
6:03 PM
@Slereah Jeez, you're just savage to him
 
that is me being nice
there were many very rude ways to say this
Involving comparisons to barnyard animals
Showing that thin-shell wormholes in Minkowski space violate the NEC isn't too hard
topological censorship is saved
Although of course one wonders about non-asymptotically flat manifolds
 
 
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7:16 PM
@Secret i support you secret keep doing what you do
2
ignore the normies
 
7:46 PM
@Mithrandir24601 sorry I missed that earlier, I was away from my computer. Anyway, yeah, I can unstar some things. (Room owners can do this as well.) I don't get to see who starred them, though.
 
8:04 PM
there have been a lot of weird starring lately
So
The quantity $\kappa = K^+ - K^-$ for thin-shell spacetimes
This corresponds to the principal radii $\kappa_{\mu\nu} = PR_{\mu\nu}^+ - PR_{\mu\nu}^-$
But both shapes are isometric
Does it mean that $\kappa = 2 K^+$
I am unsure
 
8:49 PM
Appendices B and D are 100% done
Bibliography and equation references fixed
 
hurray
What are B and D
 
I'm finally getting things 100% done which is a big deal
this is going to be done soon
 
time to celebrate
toot toot
 
9:21 PM
@0celo7 the hyperlink highlighting would look better in blue just saying
there’s a one liner that can override it to blue
forgot
 
9:34 PM
My question conerns supersymmetry
and i hope someone will help me
Ok.. how one can prove for lambda>2 that there are no furher conserved currents?
 
9:54 PM
hey people, since potential energy in Schrodinger's eq. is an operator, does that mean that it's an observable? I guess so. So this means it's possible to "measure" potential energy via some experiment? I.e. collapse the wave function of a particle into an eigenstate of the potential energy operator???
 
What is the uncertainty in position in a cubical box?
I don't think it would be the length of the edge.
(uncertainty in position of electron in cubical box, I meant)
 
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