The h Bar

Mostafa

16:02

Jun 10 at 20:37, by Bernardo Meurer

Peter Sunde (The Pirate Bay) | TNW Conference | Technology is neither good nor bad: you are

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Bernardo Meurer

@Mostafa Yes?

Mostafa

@BernardoMeurer This guy claims more than half of the Internet is pirate bay. Others claim nearly half of the Internet is porn. That's almost %100.

Bernardo Meurer

@Mostafa Lol

Mithrandir24601

@BernardoMeurer Depending what you mean by fight, I was disagreeing (i.e. 'fighting' depending on definition) with you. I'm Northern Irish, therefore you've 'fought' with an Irish :P

Bernardo Meurer

I'm pretty sure most porn is piratebay traffic

and what he's referring to is torrent traffic AFAIK

@Mithrandir24601 Oh, I mean bar fight

Mithrandir24601

16:03

@BernardoMeurer Bah!

Bernardo Meurer

@Mithrandir24601 We can bar fight if you want

Mithrandir24601

@BernardoMeurer I'd rather have a sword fight to be honest (or staff? They're fun :) )

Bernardo Meurer

@Mithrandir24601 I once had a talk in German with a wizard that had a staff in the Flensburg bahnhof

Mostafa

@BernardoMeurer No. He clearly refers to pirate bay.

Peter Sunde (The Pirate Bay) | TNW Conference | Technology is neither good nor bad: you are

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Here^

Bernardo Meurer

@Mostafa Yes, piratebay's torrents

Otherwise that statement seems like nonsense

Mostafa

16:07

@BernardoMeurer There's sth I don't understand. There are other torrent websites too.

Bernardo Meurer

Yes, sure

There are other social networks apart from Facebook

Mostafa

@BernardoMeurer The question is how does The h-Bar's traffic fit into that picture?

The h-Bar's traffic is clearly not pirate bay. Is it considered porn then?

Bernardo Meurer

@Mostafa Huh? What?

First of all

The "half the internet is porn" is an urban myth. No one knows how much of the internet is porn (I believe), and I really don't think it's half, it's less

Second of all, "Pirate-bay is half the internet" probably is in respect to bandwith usage, which is really high for file sharing, and relatively low for checking emails and coming on the h-bar and so on

So that doesn't mean half the people on the internet are on TPB

And so on

Good lord I am turning into Zizek ending my sentences with "and so on"

0celouvskyopoulo7

I would bet half the internet is pirated media

@BernardoMeurer so do you understand Fubini now or what?

Bernardo Meurer

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Monday

I needed a couple days of break

user228700

16:20

May 18 at 18:36, by 0celouvskyopoulo7

@Shashaank I am a big JEE hater.

Bernardo Meurer

lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2017/06/msg00017.html

user228700

Me too. I've just found out that a former schoolmate killed himself on Saturday.

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie @dmckee One baby step at a time :P

Jaime Gallego

Hurd already?????

Bernardo Meurer

Lol

Jaime Gallego

16:21

Ah

Bernardo Meurer

> The supported memory size was extended beyond 3GiB.

ROFL

LOLOLOLOL

EVEN MY KERNEL SUPPORTS MORE THAN 3GiB OF RAM YOU GOOF

AND IT DOESN'T EVEN WORK

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Kaumudi.H I'm sorry to hear that. Because of JEE?

The Dark Side

HNQ Gem:

14

Q: How am I supposed to keep a toilet bowl clean without a toilet brush?

I am used to cleaning the toilet bowl with a toilet brush after use. In several hotels that I stayed in Asia there was none. I don't suppose they expect me to call the room service every time I use the bathroom. How am I supposed to remove faeces without a toilet brush? I wouldn't like to find ...

user228700

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Thanks. Yes. Couldn't cope with the pressure.

user228700

UGH. F*k JEE to the scorching depths of hell.

Bernardo Meurer

16:23

@Kaumudi.H Holy fuck, that's hardcore. I'm sorry to hear ir

The Dark Side

And the top answer is:

29

A: How am I supposed to keep a toilet bowl clean without a toilet brush?

You're not supposed to do anything. Cleaning the toilet is housekeeping's job, and in better hotels in Asia it's common to have several visits per day: once in the late morning and once more around dinnertime (turndown).

How nice!

Mostafa

@BernardoMeurer my (implicit) intention was to say this stats are wrong ;)

Sid

Err... is it normal to use such swear-words here?

user228700

@BernardoMeurer Me too.

Bernardo Meurer

@Sid Yes

Mostafa

16:24

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Every hour, one student commits suicide in India

user228700

@Sid When it is in response to the death of a 17 y/o, yes.

Mostafa

Oct 9 '15 at 22:25, by ACuriousMind

Whoever it is, please stop flagging every instance of "fuck" in this room. Unless used as an insult, this is not a phrase worth flagging.

The Dark Side

And Robokaren produces one more gem:

Seeing each other's poop is what true love is all about. — RoboKaren yesterday

HNQs never fail to amaze me!!

Sid

@Kaumudi.H I am sorry to hear about it. Hope his family recover soon.

user228700

Same here. Ugh, I haven't even been able to find his name yet. He may even have been my friend ffs.

Mostafa

16:29

@Kaumudi.H I think @0celouvskyopoulo7 totally empathizes with about that ...he got suspended over that for a month

user228700

Yeah, I know...

Bernardo Meurer

One of the survivors, poking around in the ruins with the point of a spear, uncovers a singed photo of Richard Stallman. They stare in silence. "This," one of them finally says, "This is a man who BELIEVED in something."

@JaimeGallego

user228700

Anyway, sorry to have brought on this sombre mood. Just wanted to let you guys know the extent of the burning pile of poo that is JEE.

Sid

there is always a relevant xkcd for everything..

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Sid We do not flag for fuck

Bernardo Meurer

16:30

@Sid Yep

PhyMan

@Kaumudi.H It's mainly the mindsets of the parents who thinks life's just medicine or engineering...... it needs to be changed

and the hype surrounding money

user228700

My parents are pretty amazing and even I have considered suicide to end the pain. It's mostly all the pressure to make it.

user228700

Anyhoo.

PhyMan

how did you deal with it?

Jaime Gallego

@BernardoMeurer Proof that Hurd is not developed by humans, but by Morlocks.

user228700

16:33

@PhyMan Coldplay, Nerdfighteria, stuff like this etc.

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Kaumudi.H Do you need to get help?

Mostafa

@Kaumudi.H Can you tell these to JEE top 10 ranks?

user228700

@0celouvskyopoulo7 No, I am OK now, thank you :-)

user228700

@Mostafa Which?

Balarka Sen

My favorite way to deal with suicidal thoughts is to realize we are already dead.

user228700

16:33

@BalarkaSen rofl x'D

Balarka Sen

It even becomes a point of pride at one point.

"We are the dead, bruh"

Sid

@PhyMan The thing is our parents have faced lack of money in the past. They don't want the children to go through that. Hence, the hype about money.

Also, we are a poor country. So, the hype gets amplified more.

heather

@Kaumudi.H, I'm so sorry.

Mostafa

@Kaumudi.H In such systems, the top %0.1 win and the other %99.9 are bound to lose

PhyMan

@Sid yeah, but the unescessary hype of 1 crore pa packages are really unessecary.....

and it's just one of the many factors

user228700

16:36

@heather Thank you.

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen I wish you lived near me sometimes, lol

0celouvskyopoulo7

JEE is a sacred thing in this chat though

We'd better no talk ill of it

Balarka Sen

High praise from the man himself, @Bernardo. I'll take it.

0celouvskyopoulo7

It's like @blue 's car or something

user228700

@BalarkaSen It is only one, yeah. I mean, I was never really worried about the money; the pressure to figure out what the heck to do for the rest of ur life and score super well to get into the one amazing institution that equips u for just that is...unimaginable when you're 16 and your hormones are already screwing with you.

Jaime Gallego

16:38

@Kaumudi.H My heart goes out to the family. I am so sorry.

user228700

Yeah, mine does too. Thank you.

Sid

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Not sure, anyone likes JEE anymore. :P

Slereah

How many PDE classes are there

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Slereah classes?

Slereah

There's hyperbolic, parabolic, elliptic, ultrahyperbolic

Are there any other

Mostafa

16:39

@Slereah 3?

Bernardo Meurer

@Slereah 9

Nonagon Infinity

PhyMan

@Sid I don't have anything against jee, you can't expect india to follow the US-like system........ Just imagine the scandals that could happen....

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Slereah once you get highly nonlinear ones that breaks down

Slereah

I mean for linear second order ones

Sid

@PhyMan True. I don't disagree at all.

Balarka Sen

16:40

@Kaumudi I understand. I figure every teen goes through it in some way or another. My way to deal with it was just nonstandard; it did involve doing a lot of what I like to do - math, philosophical novels, movies, whatever. (also, did you mean to ping someone else?)

user228700

@BalarkaSen Damn, sorry, I did mean to ping Sid, not you :-P

Balarka Sen

:P It's ok.

Slereah

Oh man

the more I write the more complications I think of

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen Do you like Poetry?

user228700

@BalarkaSen Ah, I see. I wasn't allowed to do anything I actually liked tho, what with all the classes so.

Slereah

16:41

There's that weird thing with Rarita Schwinger fields

Where's it's hyperbolic in one frame but not in another

Balarka Sen

@BernardoM I like pOeTrY. That means the most mucked up ones.

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen Heh, nice, I've been growing quite fond of reading poetry

Balarka Sen

It's a nice medium of expression, yeah

What are you reading?

0celouvskyopoulo7

then hyperbolic, elliptic, parabolic

anything else is just a subdivision of those

Bernardo Meurer

I finished the complete works of a famous Brazilian poet called Leminsky, and now I'm starting Pablo Neruda's 100 Love Sonnets

0celouvskyopoulo7

16:43

you could have something where the principal symbol changes from positive definite to hyperbolic

idk

there's lots of strange PDE you could write down

Sid

Does anyone know why my laptop doesn't get charged when there is a power disruption?

Bernardo Meurer

Wanted to get T.S. Eliot's Waste Land too

Balarka Sen

@Kaumudi Yeah, that's rough. I guess I started thinking about a lot of things on the back of my head to get out of that.

Bernardo Meurer

@Sid Define power disruption

Sid

Like if power is out and then comes back on, my laptop doesn't get charged even if it is plugged in

The Dark Side

16:44

@Sid Energy conservation.

Balarka Sen

@Bernardo Oh man, I should read Neruda at one point.

TS Eliot is a genius.

The Waste Land is an absolute classic of the modernist lit/poetry

Mostafa

@BalarkaSen Seriously, is there anybody here who is not depressed (at least to some extent)?

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen His love sonnets are absolutely amazing, that man truly gets it

Yeah, A friend also told me to read Robert Frost

Balarka Sen

@Mostafa Oh, I am not depressed. I bask in the glory of death :P

Sid

Robert Frost is a legend

Balarka Sen

16:46

Frost is very good.

PhyMan

@Mostafa That would be me...... I just enjoy life and do what i like

Bernardo Meurer

Yeah, once I finish Neruda I will get Frost and Eliot

Balarka Sen

I don't know the kind of things you like. From the classical age I can recommend (other than the already known Romaticists) William Blake.

Bernardo Meurer

then maybe Bukowski but I have some prejudice against him

Balarka Sen

Do you read any pomo shit?

Bernardo Meurer

16:47

I haven't read anything like that yet

Balarka Sen

Try Howl, by Allen Ginsberg. Absolutely great.

0celouvskyopoulo7

Can we not talk about porno?

Jesus Christ you two

Balarka Sen

@0celo Learn to read.

0celouvskyopoulo7

Sick

Balarka Sen

duuude

that's an m not an r and an n

Jaime Gallego

16:48

That's just bad kerning

user228700

x'D

Jaime Gallego

keming* :)

PhyMan

@0celouvskyopoulo7 I thought my glasses were'nt working........ tried to zoooom in a lot

0celouvskyopoulo7

rn m

Hmm

Balarka Sen

Although porno and Howl might be closer to each other than you'd imagine

0celouvskyopoulo7

16:49

gross

Balarka Sen

it got through several obscenity trials lol

Sid

Why is there porno-thing here? Isn't this Physics.SE?

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen This reminds me, I recently translated one of my favorite poems to English, check it out: gist.github.com/bemeurer/f430f93bd5c4423b89127a096f1b2f8e

PhyMan

@Sid again, it's 'PO-M-O' not 'POR-N-O'

Jaime Gallego

No, it's PoMo

0celouvskyopoulo7

16:51

what is a pomo?

Balarka Sen

post-modern

@Bernardo Looking.

0celouvskyopoulo7

Pomo analysis is a great book

@Slereah oh and don't forget equations of the form $$g^{\mu\nu}\partial_\mu\partial_\nu u +F(u,\partial u)=\int k(u)f\, dp$$

mixed integro-partial differential equations

Mithrandir24601

@Kaumudi.H Sadly, it's not just JEE that's like that in terms of the pressure it puts on people :( It's horrific :( I hope everyone's doing as well as they can in the circumstances

Slereah

@0celouvskyopoulo7 hopefully I won't have to

0celouvskyopoulo7

it's important for cosmology because the Vlasov EMT is an integral

Slereah

16:56

Although I guess that this would occur in semiclassical gravity stuff

Balarka Sen

@BernardoM That's a nice poetry!

Who's it by?

bolbteppa

(Conservatives don't really read) runs

Bernardo Meurer

@bolbteppa Eucanaã Ferraz

0celouvskyopoulo7

aã?

why?

Bernardo Meurer

He's a somewhat famous Brazilian poet

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Indigenous name

Balarka Sen

17:01

I see. Interesting.

0celouvskyopoulo7

Brazilian names are so strange

Sid

@bolbteppa I don't understand that. Were you taking a light jab at someone?

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen Almost bought his complete works yesterday

0celouvskyopoulo7

obe is alive

if anyone wants to say something to him, speak now

Bernardo Meurer

I talked to him not-so-long ago

Balarka Sen

17:05

obe: Did your roommate turn out to be a serial killer or a psychopath as we expected?

0celouvskyopoulo7

I asked him

"no lmao"

Balarka Sen

breaks my heart

I mean, I am happy for him.

0celouvskyopoulo7

"he always slept before me and woke up after me."

"and was luckily really harmless xd"

"I even went to iceland with him a few days after i said that"

"and we're best friends now lol"

Balarka Sen

lol

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Slereah Oh god, the Einstein-Boltzmann equation

Slereah

17:10

what aboot it

0celouvskyopoulo7

can't escape Boltzmann

Obe wants to know if he should come back to the chat

Slereah

that decision is between him and Jesus

heather

@0celouvskyopoulo7 obe should definitely come back =)

Jaime Gallego

He's certainly welcome to go back here. It's him who should make the final decision after all.

Balarka Sen

Come back or don't, either way you're going to regret for corresponding reasons.

0celouvskyopoulo7

17:15

@Slereah amen brother

@BalarkaSen "Let $W$ be the external tensor product of $V$ and $V^*$ over $M\times M$"

What is that supposed to be

$V$ is a vector bundle

Anonymous

@0celouvskyopoulo7 He he. Welcome back! :D

Slereah

@0celouvskyopoulo7 that's a bitensor

Balarka Sen

I forgot what the external tensor product means

glad to be of no help

0celouvskyopoulo7

looks at nLab

Christ

@ACuriousMind haaaalp

Balarka Sen

The external tensor product constitutes a tensor product on the total category Mod of the given Grothendieck fibration; and with respect to this it is a monoidal fibration.

easily done

0celouvskyopoulo7

17:25

I'm an analyst, what the hell does that mean?

Balarka Sen

hell if I know

I do topology, I'm worse than you

Slereah

"For two tensor bundles $VM$, $WM$ with the same base manifold, $VM \boxtimes WM$ is the exterior tensor product, defined by the vector bundle with typical fiber $V \otimes W$ over the base manifold $M \times M$."

0celouvskyopoulo7

@Slereah Makes sense

Balarka Sen

Ok, I have to stop procrastinating now that I have wasted all my day doing nothing.

2

0celouvskyopoulo7

I want to have things of the form $\phi(x)\otimes \phi^*(y)$

Slereah

17:26

If u want more detail Moretti explains bitensors a bit in one of his papers

0celouvskyopoulo7

Nah, I believe it.

One needs that formalism to show that $\mathrm{tr}e^{-tP}=\sum e^{-t\lambda_n}$

Slereah

I'm guessing the topology of the exterior product is the product topology

0celouvskyopoulo7

yeah who knows what the VB charts are supposed to be

Slereah

17:43

There's a few guys in spacetime topology that you hear about once in a while but they're so old that you basically never do

Like Carter and Markus

they were doing it in the 50's and early 60's

0celouvskyopoulo7

17:57

@Slereah there are hundreds of mathematicians out there working on geometry

they can't all publish 30 papers on the same topic

Slereah

yeah but they still published a bunch on the topic

Although it's true

When you look at most people that publish weird GR papers

Usually that's just a small part of their output

0celouvskyopoulo7

unless you're Geroch, Hawking, Yvonne

Slereah

Most weird GR paper people work in astrophysics or cosmology

0celouvskyopoulo7

and modern GR is not spacetime topology

Slereah

yeah

Most of the time it's all papers about features of the CMB or something

0celouvskyopoulo7

17:59

it's the Cauchy problem and related things

Penrose inequalities

Slereah

Gravitational waves and whatnot

0celouvskyopoulo7

minimal surfaces

I am talking about math GR

Slereah

Even that is a pretty small part

0celouvskyopoulo7

I wonder what the largest field of math is

outside of numerics

Slereah

Accounting

It's all about counting money

If you want money just go into stochastic analysis

then you can do financial math

0celouvskyopoulo7

18:04

That does sound nice

Help the GDP

Slereah

You can do PATH INTEGRALS of finances

I went to the financial math SE once

A fun read

You could see threads like "Is the assumption of infinite money valid"

Apparently that is a common assumption in finances

I guess it's easier to work on $\Bbb R$

Mithrandir24601

Quantum economics

Quantum economics is an emerging research field which applies methods and ideas from quantum physics to the field of economics. It is motivated by the belief that economic processes such as financial transactions have much in common with quantum processes. It draws on techniques from the related areas of quantum finance and quantum cognition, and can be viewed as a sub-field of what Alexander Wendt and others have called "quantum social science". == History == An early proponent of this approach was the Pakistani mathematician Asghar Qadir. In his 1978 paper Quantum Economics, he argued that the...

Slereah

"quantum economics" is just fancy talk for "it's economics with stochastic process"

which also occur in QM

Except of course in QM it's a complex path integral

The better analogy would be statistical mechanics

But stat mech economics isn't as punchy

Mithrandir24601

If that's the case, I just feel dissapointed with economists right now

Slereah

Who could have guessed that economics was boring all along

Slereah

18:28

I'm not 100% sure what the economics equivalent of a Feynman diagram is

Does the economy scatter

0celouvskyopoulo7

loll

maybe if some CEO dies

Slereah

I should check put what the stochastic esuation is for economics

0celouvskyopoulo7

I'm sure there are many

why don't you check that ridiculous book of yours

Slereah

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black–Scholes_model

That seems to be the basic one

0celouvskyopoulo7

are you on your phone?

Secret

18:37

arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9710148 ???????????

0celouvskyopoulo7

The Black–Scholes formula calculates the price of European put and call options.

lol, just european?

Slereah

i am

From the PDE it's not quite like the Schrodinger equation

The principal part is $x^2 \Delta \psi$

0celouvskyopoulo7

it's a singular PDE

what is $S$ supposed to be

Slereah

Money???

Maybe it's supposed to be a dollar sign

0celouvskyopoulo7

lol

at 0 money the PDE is fucked

Slereah

18:40

Just like in real life

S is price of a stock, V is price of a derivative

0celouvskyopoulo7

what's a derivative?

Slereah

No clue

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_(finance)

0celouvskyopoulo7

tl;dr

Slereah

I'm guessing the analogy with QM would be that the trajectory of a particle is ~ the evolution of stock price with time

And that somewhat the price of derivatives is the wavefunction

0celouvskyopoulo7

I would take a mathematical finance class

of course basic calculus might qualify as math to those people

Slereah

18:46

That is the most GDP

Depends on the level of the class I guess

How does one measure market price

Can you measure it with market momentum

0celouvskyopoulo7

"en(x) depends functorially on a finite number of jets of the symbol p(x, ξ)."

not worth it

maybe I should do financial math

there's probably no jets and functors

Slereah

It's all about Wiener processes and martingales

0celouvskyopoulo7

there's that book about stochastic calculus on manifolds I would like to read

I don't know shit about martingales though

Slereah

Finances in curved spacetime

Jaime Gallego

@0celouvskyopoulo7 A derivative is called that way because it is derived from a real commodity or some other asset. Instead of buying and selling gold, for instance, you are buying some contract that benefits or harms you depending on how gold performs on the stock itself in the future. You're betting on the bets, basically.

So it's just money juggling, like the rest of finance.

0celouvskyopoulo7

19:00

$$\sup_{\bar p\in\Bbb R^n}\sup_{\xi\in\mathcal C_{n,\mathbf a}}\langle\bar p\rangle^{|\gamma|-1}|(\partial_\xi^\alpha \partial_\zeta^\beta\partial^\gamma_{\bar p}\varphi)(\xi,\zeta,\bar p)|_X\le h_{\mathrm a,\alpha,\beta,\gamma}(|\zeta|)$$

perfectly intuitive...

Jaime Gallego

Derivatives are big big money

0celouvskyopoulo7

@JaimeGallego I have some money

Bernardo Meurer

learnbchs.org

0celouvskyopoulo7

How do I invest

Bernardo Meurer

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Give it to me, best investment you'll ever make

Avantgarde

19:09

57.9 bn world GDP?

Slereah

Seems a bit small, unless it's billion as in $10^12$

Jaime Gallego

It seems like a long-scale billion, yes

Slereah

I think you mean a normal scale billion

Bloody brits can't use numbers like everyone else

bolbteppa

That's a big bubble

Jaime Gallego

@Slereah Thousandmillionaires doesn't quite have the same ring to it

Slereah

19:14

The word is milliardaire

Jaime Gallego

That's even worse

Slereah

That's the correct word

Avantgarde

Quite small. There are many countries with GDP > 57.9 bn USD

Slereah

Bill Gates had more money than that

Avantgarde

Probably still does

Jaime Gallego

19:16

Eight billionaires 'as rich as world's poorest half'

Avantgarde

:(

Jaime Gallego

(Not all that wealth is real wealth: most is distributed among options, company stocks, etc. Still not a comforting thought.)

0celouvskyopoulo7

@BernardoMeurer how much do you need?

Bernardo Meurer

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Ten thousand US Trumps

0celouvskyopoulo7

@BernardoMeurer I have that

where do you want it?

Bernardo Meurer

19:22

Jeez

Not in my brazilian bank account because I will get caught by the BR IRS and killed

0celouvskyopoulo7

@JaimeGallego Lol. Misleading title. Should be "eight people work harder than half of the world combined."

Bernardo Meurer

When I move to the US

Jaime Gallego

@0celouvskyopoulo7 Um...

0celouvskyopoulo7

I try to not be a neckbeard and do my work outside, and it's windy af

God dammit

@JaimeGallego ?

Secret

One thing I don't really understood about stock markets is why they will allow their money to be placed in basically a probabilistic pool of money that can vanish in any minute

Jaime Gallego

19:28

@0celouvskyopoulo7 That assertion is, at the very least, quite controversial. These are the kind of things that mods don't like, so let's not go through that path again, please.

0celouvskyopoulo7

wot

Avantgarde

The return can be very high @secret

Secret

but is it worth it in the long term? They are basically gambling the entire economic system, at the cost of the worker's money and effort in the society

Avantgarde

It's worth it for quite a few yeah. Of course, that means proper research being done before you invest

At the cost of worker's money? How?

Secret

Well think about it, ultimately, where do all the funds came from that drive the economic system and thus the stock market and the various financial schemes going, it has to come from somewhere? The recent discussions about how robots will be increasing unemployment also seemed to make the situation worse

I mean, normally, if you can increase production without employing much human labor, then everyone should benefit (because more time is free up to pursue other things instead of working nonstop), yet it seems the wealth and the welfare become more concentrated on the 1% richest people, and not much is changed for the poor and the middle class

Avantgarde

19:34

Ok yes. Well, the stock market is just another way of investing your money, just like putting it in a bank account is. Just that it's very different. It's attractive because they (can) offer way higher returns than a measly interest on a bank account

Secret

Actually, I might need to revise my economics and finance a bit, cause I am not sure if relatively safe investments like bank accounts actually has nonzero risk of losing stuff (modulo the bank actually gone bankrupt)

Avantgarde

The wealth being concentrated among few people has more to do with the system of economics and governance being followed in a country

Secret

I see, for that, I think I am not knowledgable enough to make a comment about it

Avantgarde

As far as I know, bank accounts are generally safe investments. But like I said, their interests are not high.

0celouvskyopoulo7

19:50

@Slereah Does it make sense to have a $C^k$ metric on a $C^k$ manifold or does the manifold have to be $C^{k+1}$?

the tangent functor is $C^{k+1}\to C^k$ after all

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