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A: Why is surface tension parallel to the interface?

B2q This is indeed very confusing. I think of it like this. Note this approach is purely conceptual and not at all rigorous! For a general definition of Force as the change of potential $$ F_x= -dV/dx $$ As you can see in the image, when a water molecule reaches the surface there has been work do...

What's he saying?
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Q: Which version of python should I use?

Guy VandegriftI am a physics professor who deals with Mechanical Engineering students and sometimes introduces a bit of introductory MATLAB. These students will have little need for Python, and I find MATLAB (and more rarely Mathematica) more than sufficient for any calculations I might do. But now I am work...

off-topic?
 
yes
 
@0celo7 Thanks! :)
 
@ACuriousMind Happy birthday
 
$$\mathscr{HAPPY BIRTHDAY}$$
 
4:24 PM
Gonna see these guys tonight, then party tomorrow.
 
@ACuriousMind Happy birthday man!
 
Thanks to you all
 
@ACuriousMind There you go
 
@ACuriousMind I'll buy you a book for your birthday
 
@ACuriousMind I'l buy you socks
 
4:30 PM
Is there witten merchandise?
 
Hello everyone
One more question in condensed matter
 
Bajoran, if you don't want a book, I'll be glad to buy myself a book.
 
Does anyone here have a machine with Linux, BSD or OSX that has >=16 threads? Like a beefy server or desktop?
I want to test a piece of code for how it scales at large core counts
 
When we we get the density of oscillations in frequency space in one dimension we write like this D( \omega ) = 2 dN/dk * dk/d( \omega )
And in 3dimensions
 
@BernardoMeurer I have a quad i7
Does that count?
Is that just 8 threads?
 
4:36 PM
That only has 8 threads, it's the same as my machine, thanks though
Yeah, idk if there are mainstream laptops with 16 threaded CPUs
 
@ACuriousMind Happy Birthday !!
 
I have to cover my webcam anyways since you last ran code on my machine
 
D( \omega ) = dN/dk * dk/d( \omega ) and k is a vector
The question is why we added number 2 in one dimension and we didn't add anything in 3D?
In one dimension it's the symmetry of the oscillation
No answer?!
 
Why should we care?
 
4:44 PM
@JohnRennie have you got a machine with a lot of threads?
 
@BernardoMeurer The high end Dell Precisions possibly ...
 
Not sure I'd put the Precisions in mainstream category :P
 
@BernardoMeurer No. I rarely run software that uses multi CPUs well. Occasionally I resample video, but that's about it.
 
Dangit :P
 
I tend to use the M series CPUs with two cores/four threads but a high single thread speed.
 
4:45 PM
Dude! Did you see the Ryzen benchmarks?
 
No, but I'm not a CPU groupie so I wouldn't care.
 
95W TDP, and the $500 1800x competes with the $1000 6900K from intel
I'm a total CPU groupie :P
100%
EXCITING TIMES
 
@BernardoMeurer are you going to SF this summer?
 
I currently using the new laptop that has a Kaby Lake CPU (I'm at my brother's house).
 
Stupid name.
They should name it Krabby Patty
 
4:49 PM
But there's no Win7 support for Kaby Lake so I've been forced onto Win10.
 
Also Intel couldn't get the 10nm shrink to work for high-power CPU's! So Cannon Lake will only be for <=15W TDP designs, and a new "Coffee Lake" will be introduced with the 14nm architecture as an improvement over Kaby Lake
Also, 145W TDP on Kaby Lake is silly
 
145W?
 
@0celo7 Don't know. Depends on my transfers, has M gotten a house yet?
 
This has an i7-7500U.
I'd have to look up the TDP but's nothing like 145W
 
@JohnRennie I was talking about the Desktop 7700K, but apparently that has a 91W TDP.
Idk why I had 145 in my mind
 
4:50 PM
@BernardoMeurer she would have said so in the Unger group chat
So I don't think so
 
She's sleeping under a bridge probably
 
That's a mobile chip!
I'm talking Desktop dood
 
Correct. But it's still bloody fast!
 
4:52 PM
@JohnRennie what?
 
And AMD is considering open sourcing their coprocessor, meaning Ryzen chips could be entirely compatible with CoreBoot!
 
@0celo7 Cultural reference - before your time :-)
 
@0celo7 I might go to hang around with Daniel in any case though
it all depends on my transfers
 
Competition with Intel is good. It'll force them to up their game. But AMD are never going to win the battle for the top end.
@BernardoMeurer did you know W10 disables wake-on-LAN even if you have i enabled in th bios. For pity's sake Microsoft what are you playing at?
 
@JohnRennie I don't want AMD to win the top end, I want them to make Intel have to work for their money again
It's been a long time since the golden days of Athlon
 
4:56 PM
its ACM's birthday?
 
@JohnRennie What? Really? Why would you do that?
 
nope
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform No, we're just shouting happy birthday at him in hopes he will believe it is
 
@JohnRennie You computer people complain about stuff I've never heard of or care about
It's easy to see why Microsoft would remove it
 
@BernardoMeurer Apparently they use a type of system shtdown that disables WOL. The advantage is a faster startup time.
 
4:57 PM
@BernardoMeurer hmmm ok
lol
 
@0celo7 Balls
 
Flagged
What about them?
 
:-)
 
@JohnRennie Ah! The hibernation thing
I always disable that shit
 
Useful on a laptop though ...
 
4:59 PM
it fucks the whole NTFS up and you can only have RO access to it from another machine
 
NTFS?
Oh, the disk system?
 
The partitioning scheme Windows uses is NTFS
Yeah
 
Nearly Timely Functional Systems
 
New Technology File System
 
NTFS is a very, very good disk filing system
 
5:00 PM
Bamboozled by the asterisks
 
MS have done so many things badly that people forget they've done some great things too.
 
I've never had issues with NTFS so I cannot complain
Most stable FS today are good
 
I'd pick MS over Apple any day
 
EXT4 on linux works well, so does NTFS, ZSF,
Apple has that weird HFS+ or whatever scheme
 
When it was release (1994?) it was far ahead of any other production DFSs
 
5:02 PM
I don't know much about HFS, just know that it's journaled
I think Windows 3.1 had NTFS already
3.1 is 93 or 94?
 
No, NTFS was never supported on the 16 bit versions of Windows.
Ah, sorry, you mean NT 3.1. Yes, that had NTFS.
 
Yeah, my bad, NT 3.1
Goddamn product naming
Yep, 93
Jeez, it's old!
 
You had to be there to appreciate just how awesome NT3.1 was for us techies
The first proper MS 32 bit OS.
We could take finite element software that we had to run on a time shared (and expensive) mainframe and run it on a PC instead.
Though on a 386 it ran a bit slower than on an IBM mainframe :-)
 
A 386 was my first machine :)
 
6502 was my first PC :-)
The 6502 was a sweet chip to code for in assembler.
 
5:07 PM
^ Me too.
And if it was an Apple ][+, there was a little assembler in the ROM, so you didn't even need any software.
 
I then used some i686 machine for a bit as a kid and eventually moved to a Pentium III and then IV
 
That is what launched my larval stage and got me interested in doing real programming.
But m68k is still my favorite instruction set.
 
You guys are OG computer nerds
I feel like a hipster
 
Was there a C compiler for the Apple II?
 
@dmckee Your love for M68000 crosses oceans
 
5:10 PM
@JohnRennie It was pricey. Pascal was cheaper. But both compilers were painfully slow.
 
@JohnRennie I think so
It was a company with a funny name who made it
 
I didn't get to try them until after I had played with Turbo Pascal on the PC.
 
like maya or something
 
And the difference was stark.
 
Did any of you use Borland?
 
5:11 PM
@BernardoMeurer Yeah. On a fishbowl mac as well as PC.
I still think their "No nonsense" license is the fairest thing I've ever seen.
 
@BernardoMeurer help
Springer is having a 50% sale on a bunch of math books
I need the strength to not buy too many
 
@0celo7 Buy me some
 
@BernardoMeurer ok
Since @ACuriousMind is being a butt about it, I'll get you the one I was going to get for him
 
:D
@dmckee Do you have access to a machine with many threads?
 
5:23 PM
it has to be $30 or less
@BernardoMeurer I have access to the analysis cluster at ORNL
 
@0celo7 Can you run code on that?
 
But every time I log in, I have to certify I will only use it as intended
 
Like C code
 
I might, but they'd lock my ass up for hacking a U.S. Gov server :P
 
I don't see a sale
The sale is for astronomy for me
 
5:25 PM
wtf?
 
@0celo7 lol
 
pic?
 
I'm about to get four volumes of Hörmander, a book on heat kernels, a book on geometric measure theory (perhaps two)
I'm sure there's more
Well, I'll trick Bob into getting the PDE books
 
5:27 PM
@BernardoMeurer Not one sale
 
i dont get it
why do people buy books
 
To impress other people who buy books
 
because we're not smelly like you
 
It's a recursive thing
 
5:31 PM
One of my professors was very impressed by my second edition Adams & Fournier
And my advisor is jealous of my Beem & Ehrlich
 
Adams & Fournier is published by Elsevier
Wouldn't even touch it
 
What?
 
And everyone is Jealous of your Beem & Ehrlich
 
It's like $300 now
I got the last cheap one in the world lol
 
"cheap"
 
5:41 PM
relatively!
@BernardoMeurer that algorithms book is on springer link
 
general relatively
 
What's springer link?
 
How general relativity is far from the special one
 
Can you be more Pacific?
 
The distance is positive in the metric space of theories
 
5:48 PM
@BernardoMeurer Not really these days. I mean, four cores is enough to make certain multi=threading operations worth while, but it's pretty minor stuff.
There is a fancy graphics pipeline that can be programmed against on my machine, too. But I've never take the time to learn that stuff.
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
It seems pretty interesting and has not received much attention.
 
6:15 PM
@heather Where's that Raspberry Pi Cluster?
The Collatz calculator is done
It's not fully multiprecision though
it can only compute collatz for up to 2^63, but in the computing process the numbers can be arbitrarily large
 
What are you talking about?
 
@0celo7 Computing collatz conjecture
 
6:51 PM
@BernardoMeurer How much time does it take to check largeish numbers?
 
@0celo7 Why are you getting the hormanders
If you're going to get those, get his SCV book
 
@bolbteppa I don't believe for a second you know enough functional analysis to recommend books...
And I care negatively about complex analysis.
 
I believe you are blundering into insanely complicated books not knowing the books that motivated those books being written in the first place, e.g. his SCV book
You care negatively about the topic that motivated everything in those books he wrote, the whole point was Levi's theorem and beyond, merging cohomology, pde's, functional analysis, scv
 
@0celo7 Basic complex analysis is useful.
You should know that $$\int dz \frac{f(z)}{(z-z_0)} = 2\pi i f(z_0) \, .$$
(The integral is over some closed curve that encloses $z_0$.
That's a pretty useful thing to know.
 
@DanielSank I know complex analysis, but I don't have to have enjoyed learning it.
 
7:05 PM
k
 
There's at least one other chat regular who shares my opinion.
@bolbteppa as of right now, yes.
 
If you want to make complex analysis interesting, learn SCV and it's link to PDE's via the Levi theorem
 
@bolbteppa I found in interesting enough that the Cauchy residue theorem is just Stoke's theorem in disguise.
 
Me too
 
Stokes's theorem is in my top five favorite Math Things$^\text{TM}$.
 
7:09 PM
@DanielSank you ever see the cover of Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds?
 
@EmilioPisanty Nope.
I read Munkres's Analysis on Manifolds.
 
@EmilioPisanty Someone's notes?
 
@DanielSank it does look pretty cryptic, doesn't it?
 
Yessir.
 
7:10 PM
It's a letter to Stokes from Kelvin
outlining what is now known as Stokes' theorem
 
oh?
@EmilioPisanty Very cool.
 
@DanielSank yes, yes it is
Either way, it's an awesome book
tiny sliver of a thing
dense as hell
and really enjoyable
 
BTW when I say "Stokes's theorem" I mean "Any of those theorems liking a boundary integral to the integral over the enclosed set".
Divergence theorem etc. are all the same IMHO because you just use the dual versions of various forms etc. etc.
 
@0celo7 math.stackexchange.com/a/289640/82615 might motivate you
 
Oh you mean the generalized Kelvin-Stokes-Newton-Euler-Poincare-Gauss-Ostrogradsky theorem?
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7:13 PM
Yeah that thing.
 
Ostrogradskii
 
Didn't know Poincare got a slice of that pie.
Good for him.
 
@DanielSank yeah, obviously
 
@DanielSank I made up half of that :P
Pincare is definitely in there though
 
@0celo7 Who (or what) is Pincare?
 
7:14 PM
Poincare's nonorientable brother
 
The guy who really discovered relativity before Einstein runs
 
@EmilioPisanty Double cover of Spincare
No, that's wrong. Pin double covers O
 
Spin is simply connected...
 
Yeah.
It double covers SO
 
I said nonorientable because you get Pin manifolds when the base is not orientable. I think.
 
7:17 PM
The 'proof' of Stokes and Gauss in Purcell's EM is literally amazing
 
@bolbteppa The proofs are pretty obvious once you draw the right picture...
What goes in must come out...
It's just a bunch of cancelling boundaries.
Is that how Purcell does it?
(Purcell's EM book is awesome)
 
My intuition for Stokes is the one-liner "local swirlies on the interior add up to global swirly on the boundary"
 
@BalarkaSen yep
It's really obvious if you draw a grid inside your surface. Then you can see that all the internal swirls cancel.
 
Ya.
 
@BalarkaSen yup
 
7:21 PM
I also absolutely love Cauchy's theorem by the way. I have no idea how it proves complex differentiable functions are analytic but it does. I know it's supposed to be a bootstrap proof, but, well
 
Purcell basically just goes $\int_S \mathbf{F} \cdot d \mathbf{S} = \sum_i \int_{S_i} \mathbf{F} \cdot d \mathbf{S}_i = \sum_i V_i [ \frac{\int_S \mathbf{F} \cdot d \mathbf{S}_i}{V_i}] = \int \nabla \cdot \mathbf{F} dV$ and voila
 
@bolbteppa That's still the version in 3 dimensions.
For higher dimensions there's no way to write down a vector calculus formulation
Also I find that proof to be handwaving the technicalities away
 
Yeah it's in a physics book
 
Fair
 
@BalarkaSen you mean you don't know the actual proof or you don't grok it?
 
7:28 PM
I know the proof. I don't know why it works.
 
@BalarkaSen I looked at the stochastic analysis on manifolds book. Very interesting that one can prove global theorems in Riemannian geometry from Brownian motion. But page two expected me to know what a diffusion semimaringale on a filtered probability space is. Maybe one day I'll read it lol
I'd need a TL;DR on stoachstics first. No way I can sit through a book of that stuff
 
Huh, interesting. I don't actually know that stuff.
I have never actually looked at any of the probability-ish things out there
 
7:47 PM
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Q: Pulsed plane wave

ru.mossMy question is specifically concerned with ultrashort pulses: can a plane wave (one with infinite spatial extension) have a finite duration in time? Is there some physical principle that is violated for a pulsed plane wave?

lolz
 
Could someone help me understand quantum statistics?

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/316048/help-with-simple-quantum-statistics
Idk how to do the cool linking
 
@DanielSank yes, as I recall
@loltospoon put the url and nothing else in a single chat message
it's called oneboxing if you want to search for it
 
@BalarkaSen I need a Milnor for probability...not a Lee.
 
high 5s
 
Or I could play the wiki game
Just look up every word
 
7:51 PM
Doesn't really work for me
 
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Q: Help with simple quantum statistics

loltospoonI need help understanding how to do simple quantum stats problems. Let's say that I have 3 identical particles in a 1-D harmonic oscillator potential with total energy $E=\frac{9}{2}\hbar \omega$. I need to find the occupation number configurations, the number of distinct three-particle states ...

Nice
ty @EmilioPisanty
 
@loltospoon That is most likely going to be closed as homework-like
we don't really do check-my-work here
however
the probabilities bit can probably be rephrased in a way that makes the question on-topic
but you need to be very clear about what you mean by that part
 
Yea its the probabilities part that I want to know about
 
@loltospoon Then make your question about that instead of waffling on and asking people to check it
 
The definition of Martingale isn't that bad, really.
 
7:53 PM
On another track, your notation for occupation number configurations isn't particularly clear
 
But it's not clear what the hell it has to do with a random walk...
 
@EmilioPisanty that's the notation Griffiths uses
 
"Oksendal" was recommended by someone in here.
 
@loltospoon believe it or not, not everybody has a copy of Griffiths right at their desk
;-)
 
Oh sorry, I don't really know what is common notation yet that everyone knows
what is more common for configurations?
 
7:56 PM
@loltospoon what exactly do you mean by "configurations" there?
 
@alarge I'll take a look at Oksendal, thanks.
 
@EmilioPisanty this is what Griffiths says it is: imgur.com/a/zE1Dj
 
@loltospoon That's not clear at all
that's just one big long vector with no indication of what the numbers mean
The crucial thing is that the notation presupposes an assumed ordering for the basis
which you haven't given
 
@loltospoon Griffiths gives an example that you just mimic
but for a harmonic oscillator with 3 particles, you use $a^* a + 1/2 = n + 1/2$ for each of the three particles, giving $(n_1 + n_2 + n_3 + 3/2)\hbar \omega = (9/2)\hbar \omega$ instead of the relation Griffiths uses for the well
If you have more than one identical particle, you can't distinguish between which particle you measure if you measure one of them, so variables like position become less useful, and other variables, like what stationary state the particle is in, is more relevant, hence the occupation number formalism Griffith is using, for multi-particle quantum mechanics of identical particles, notation is standard
 
8:14 PM
@loltospoon I have clarified your notation and significantly rephrased it using the information you've put here.
Please check it thoroughly to ensure that it represents your intent, and obviously feel free to roll back any and all changes.
 
Crackpot!
@BalarkaSen I'm special. The general Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem says that every bounded infinite set has an accumulation point, right?
I guess you just get a sequence and then a limit, so yeah.
 
8:52 PM
hahahaaaaa! finally! powers beyond what even a mod can do!
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hugely relevant for this site
or at least for the one guy who has half the gold tag badges
 
9:11 PM
@EmilioPisanty subtle brag?
 
@0celo7 what?
no
I have one hard-earned gold tag badge
JR has nine
 
No one likes @JohnRennie
You have that much over him
@BernardoMeurer There's a guy in my thermo class who makes Ethan look like a skinny bimbo
 
@0celo7 Sweet
 
9:26 PM
He struts too
Doesn't walk straight, shakes his assets
It's very strange
Thicc af tho
@DanielSank According to Arnold, it's the Newton-Leibniz-Gauss-Green-Ostrogradskii-Stokes-Poincare theorem.
So...I missed Leibnitz (forgive me Germany) and Green.
 
Does anyone know how to calculate the phase integral for a celestial object?
 
But I don't understand why Kelvin doesn't get any credit.
@SirCumference Yes.
 
@0celo7 ...really?
 
yeah, what are they?
I'm sure I can do the integral
 
Well in reality, I'm looking at the function for the phase angle: $$q = 2\int_0^\pi \frac{I(\alpha)}{I(0)} \sin\alpha \, d\alpha$$
 
9:35 PM
@DanielSank and apparently, it was Hankel who first published it
 
And I'm hoping someone here knows what the formula for $I(\alpha)$ is.
 
so really it should be the Newton-Leibniz-Gauss-Green-Kelvin-Stokes-Hankel-Poincare-Ostrogadskii theorem.
@SirCumference context?
 
@0celo7 Well I'm trying to get the phase integral of the Moon at different $\alpha$, but wikipedia isn't helping at all
The Bond albedo, named after the American astronomer George Phillips Bond (1825–1865), who originally proposed it, is the fraction of power in the total electromagnetic radiation incident on an astronomical body that is scattered back out into space. Because the Bond albedo accounts for all of the light scattered from a body at all wavelengths and all phase angles, it is a necessary quantity for determining how much energy a body absorbs. This, in turn, is crucial for determining the equilibrium temperature of a body. Because bodies in the outer Solar System are always observed at very low phase...
 
Why are you trying to do this?
 
@0celo7 Answering a question on Astro SE
The guy wants to know how to find the brightness of the Moon, knowing the angle between it, Earth and the Sun.
 
10:08 PM
@SirCumference Well, the Bond albedo isn't going to tell you that because it integrates out the angular dependence.
 
@dmckee I just need the phase integral to find the absolute magnitude at a given phase angle
A solar system object's apparent magnitude can be found with
$$m = H + 2.5 \log_{10}{\left(\frac{d_\mathrm{BS}^2 d_\mathrm{BO}^2}{p(\chi) d_0^4}\right)}$$
 
10:32 PM
Proof?
 
just so everyone knows:
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