The h Bar

Kristina Levine

03:00

The plates already have existing plate boundaries - divergent, convergent, or transform - and from these you can tell which direction the plates have moved or will continue to move in the future. @heather

Example: Divergent plate boundaries will move apart, convergent will move together, and transform will slide past each other (they do so to account for the plates all trying to "fit" together on the spherical shape of the Earth; they basically make adjustments while the convergent and divergent plates move around). @heather

Bernardo Meurer

@heather Yeah well, whatever you do I've done worse

Kyle Kanos

How can anyone make Python explode? It's brainlessly easy

Bernardo Meurer

Remember when I almost destroyed my computer trying to show you memory overflow?

(With C, in my defence)

heather

@BernardoMeurer oh, yeah =D

@KristinaLevine but the plates have changed direction over time, right?

David Z

Oh, I forgot what I came here to mention: maybe the best-of posts should be done with fewer categories next year. (@DanielSank)

Kyle Kanos

03:02

Plate tectonics is a load of BS

heather

I mean, it doesn't seem like it could be that correct, so to speak.

dmckee

@KyleKanos Er ... in what sense?

heather

@DavidZ yeah, there did seem to be a lot of categories.

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos Agreed

heather

@KyleKanos you got a replacement theory that works better? (no offense)

Kristina Levine

03:03

reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1n2emx/… @heather This explains it fairly well

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Bernardo Meurer

@DavidZ The man gets excited

Kyle Kanos

^that's what I'm trying to do @dmckee

heather

it seems like it works fairly well to me.

Kyle Kanos

:D

forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=230747

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos Oh my god reading that made my brain hurt

heather

03:04

@KristinaLevine thank you, reading

dmckee

Ah. Yes. Too many hours of LMS interaction of rendered all the actual human sensitivity out of me, leaving nothing but a seething pool of grudge.

Kyle Kanos

Question: was the name of this room changed with any sort of consensus or community questioning?

@dmckee LMS?

dmckee

@KyleKanos "Learning Management System"

Kyle Kanos

@BernardoMeurer Only because you realize you've been lied to for the last 20 years?

@dmckee Ah. Glad I don't have to do that stuff

dmckee

A tool for on-line teaching and learning or for providing on-line support for traditional instruction with requiring professors to be techies.

Bernardo Meurer

03:06

@KyleKanos Have you... been talking to Ryan?

dmckee

And, yes, it's every bit as bad as it sounds.

Kyle Kanos

@BernardoMeurer No. He's not emailed me

Kristina Levine

@KyleKanos Wegener is screaming at you from his grave

David Z

I for one would prefer not to see @Kristina's and @heather's discussion derailed

Kyle Kanos

And I'm lazy as h-e-double-hockey-sticks when it comes to being proactive about emailing people

@KristinaLevine I don't know who Wegener is

Bernardo Meurer

03:08

@KyleKanos Ah, I'll tell him to email you

Kristina Levine

@KyleKanos Explains it

dmckee

@KyleKanos I'm pretty sure the only place I've encountered that particular euphanism before was on MASH.

Kyle Kanos

@dmckee Makes sense, grew up watching MASH & Doctor Who

(MASH was my mom's favorite show, Doctor Who my dad's)

@KristinaLevine I don't actually know anything about plate tectonics, but I do know a lot about Loads of BS

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos Damn, getting burned by newcomers now :P

Kyle Kanos

@BernardoMeurer Well that explains why it's so easy to burn you if you thought that was a burn

Bernardo Meurer

03:10

@KyleKanos ;-;

yudodis

Kristina Levine

@KyleKanos, I'll give you a link, he was a pretty cool guy: ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/wegener.html

Kyle Kanos

All Day

@KristinaLevine TL;DR

There's an important (American) football game on now

Not enough time to read something long and pay attention to the game

Kristina Levine

Wegener came up with the foundations of the theory of plate tectonics @KyleKanos

Kyle Kanos

I'll bookmark it

Not that that's a guarantee I'll read it. I might forget about it

Oh, speaking of football: how about them Dallas Cowboys and pulling off another fantastic choke?

Kristina Levine

That's alright, as long as you don't plan on participating on Jeopardy you might make it in life without the Wegener knowledge @KyleKanos

Kyle Kanos

03:17

I forget sometimes that Jeopardy is still airing.

DanielSank

@DavidZ perhaps. Is it annoying people that there are multiple meta posts?

anonymous

@KristinaLevine Well Kyle isn't completely wrong on this account. Plate tectonic theory has several loopholes which haven't been answered yet. However I wouldn't go so far as to say is it completely wrong. This document is a good summary of the facts. nuclearplanet.com/510090.pdf

DanielSank

@dmckee excellent show.

Bernardo Meurer

plate tectonics is clearly bullshit

DanielSank

:-|

David Z

03:20

@DanielSank Well it seems it annoyed somebody, but I don't think that's the issue. More that it's a lot of categories to keep in mind as you go through the site looking for candidates.

anonymous

@BernardoMeurer I wouldn't go so far as to conclude that.

It is wrong but it isn't useless.

Bernardo Meurer

It's everything that's wrong with the world

Tectonic plates cause wars

anonymous

^^^^

Bernardo Meurer

If we had pangereria we would be in peace

anonymous

I don't think so

We would be having more civil wars

Kristina Levine

03:23

@BernardoMeurer people like you cause wars, lol

Bernardo Meurer

@KristinaLevine Damn straight we do

Kyle Kanos

I've never caused a war

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos Wait until your kids grow a bit

Kristina Levine

@anonymous, yes I agree with you. It's definitely got some problems, but it is useful (most of the time).

@KyleKanos Oh yeah, wait for the teenage years, you will git rekt.

Kyle Kanos

A lot of people say that, but I'm not sure I buy it

I think that sort of issue is more due to the parents not parenting well than kids being kids

Kristina Levine

03:29

@KyleKanos Imagine a flurry of raging hormones, rebellious nig nogs, and dealing with mounds of impractical angst. Teenagers.

Kyle Kanos

Last I checked, I too went through my teenage years

I went in fine and came out fine

(everything in between was fine too)

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos "Came out fine" is very questionable

to say least

No one who ends up being an astrophysicist came out fine of puberty

Kyle Kanos

That doesn't compute

David Z

OK, at least don't star the insults.

Bernardo Meurer

@DavidZ Come on, most of what we star here is we poking each other :P

Or John Rennie talking about testicles

David Z

03:32

@BernardoMeurer yes, exactly what I'm saying not to do

Bernardo Meurer

@DavidZ We pretty much do everything you tell us not to :P

David Z

Most of the star board should be constructive stuff.

Bernardo Meurer

Dream on

Kyle Kanos

28 mins ago, by Kyle Kanos

Question: was the name of this room changed with any sort of consensus or community questioning?

^Can I get an answer to that?

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos No, it was not

It's just a joke, it'll go back soon I think

Kyle Kanos

03:34

Well that's good

Because it's really bad

David Z

I think if you click on the date of the pinned message and scroll around a bit, you can see the context that led to the change

I agree, I'm rather partial to "the h bar and grill" myself :-P

anonymous

@BernardoMeurer Not as long as K and JR talk keep talking about cooking and food :D

Kyle Kanos

@DavidZ Seems it was about food. And I'd agree that "and grill" is better than the "(becue)"

David Z

All this food talk is making me hungry, so I should probably go

anonymous

@KyleKanos I might vouch for h BarBQ

Kyle Kanos

03:37

@anonymous Don't

That's something Ravens and Cowboy fans would want, and nobody likes those teams

anonymous

@KyleKanos Who are they ? Never even heard of that

DanielSank

@DavidZ can't say I'm too concerned with annoying one user.

anonymous

BBQ is short form of barbecue

@KyleKanos

So BarBQ is what I might vouch for

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank You literally annoy me every day

DanielSank

Also, can't people pay attention to the categories they care about and ignite the others?

Kyle Kanos

03:39

@anonymous American football teams

David Z

@DanielSank Yeah, me neither. (In case it wasn't clear I was referring to how somebody voted to close them all as primarily opinion-based)

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer and as I said, I'm not too concerned.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank <3

anonymous

@KyleKanos I see. I don't watch football. Rather American football.

Kyle Kanos

Well there are only two sports in the world: American football and ice hockey. All else is stamp collecting

David Z

03:40

@DanielSank Indeed. Just saying that the amount of support from the community may not be enough to get people providing answers to all 10(?) categories this year. This is not any sort of moderator instructions, just a bit of feedback.

DanielSank

@DavidZ oh, haha didn't know that. ::shrugs with eight arms::

@DavidZ yeah, makes sense.

First time and all that.

David Z

Of course. Experimenting is good.

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer </3

@DavidZ preaching to the choir, er... to the experimentalist.

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos Have you seen "Red Army"?

Great movie

@DanielSank Don't you give me no broken heart

Kyle Kanos

@DanielSank Do I count as an experimenter because I had to experiment with getting my codes right?

anonymous

03:42

@KyleKanos I watch only cricket and martial arts tournaments :)

Kyle Kanos

@BernardoMeurer Have not.

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos If you're into Hockey you should; it's fucking amazing

rob

@KyleKanos We settled on (becue) to add a second physics pun, chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/34774044#34774044

DanielSank

@KyleKanos perhaps. I'll bring it up before the committee.

Kyle Kanos

There's an experimentalist committee!?

dmckee

03:48

Who else do you imagine would decide who gets a lapel pin, coffee mug, and decode ring?

It's a great honor to be asked to serve on the committee, of course.

And you get a bigger coffee mug.

Kyle Kanos

Man, theorists are lame then

DanielSank

@KyleKanos duh

@dmckee I never got the mug

@KyleKanos >.>

Bernardo Meurer

@dmckee I want a mug too

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer graduate

Kyle Kanos

All I got was some piece of paper

Bernardo Meurer

03:52

@DanielSank That will never happen and we both know it

3

We will brute force RSA-4096 before I get a degree

Kyle Kanos

Ouch, pretty low on the self-esteem today, huh?

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos I'm going to fail analysis most likely :/

Kyle Kanos

Have you considered buying your professor's good side?

Bernardo Meurer

I have! I even proved him Lebesgue's theorem to show that if the set of discontinuities is countably infinite the function is still Riemann integrable

And he said it was "very nice work"

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer nice!

Kyle Kanos

03:57

That's a start

anonymous

@BernardoMeurer You seem too confident :D

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer >:(

dmckee

@KyleKanos In all seriousness, computation is taking it's place beside theory, experiment and phenomenology one of the ways to be involved in physics.

It doesn't have to be theory of experiment, it's computation which has different strengths and weakness from either of the others.

Kyle Kanos

I agree. That's why I'm trying to be as active as I can on computational-physics

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank Yeah well, I'll make a good carpenter or something

Truck driver

@anonymous I know myself

Kyle Kanos

03:59

Electrician

Bernardo Meurer

I'm afraid of electricity

Kyle Kanos

Yet you're not afraid to use it?

anonymous

@BernardoMeurer How about something more creative: Stand Up Comedian or Footballer ? ;-)

Bernardo Meurer

No. I live by middle age rules for the most part

@anonymous I'm only funny in Portuguese, and even that is debatable

And I'd rather die than do physical exercise

Kyle Kanos

I need to get back into shape

Bernardo Meurer

04:03

I'm happy with being described by geodesics

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer oh shut up.

@BernardoMeurer you'd be an amazing truck driver.

Kyle Kanos

I thought about getting a stationary bike, but I'm not convinced it really does anything for building strength anywhere except calves

DanielSank

@KyleKanos swimming is excellent exercise fyi.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank I think I'd be a good truck driver too, lol

Kyle Kanos

I was a swimmer for about 10 years

I has a pool in my backyard too

But not big enough to really swim in

DanielSank

04:06

@KyleKanos nice. What events?

Kyle Kanos

I've thought about getting rubber bands to hold me in place

Bernardo Meurer

@KyleKanos My mother used those, they work well

Kyle Kanos

@DanielSank 100m breaststroke and relays mostly

Bernardo Meurer

"I has a pool"

Kyle Kanos

Coach put me in 400m IM, but I sucked terribly at it

Bernardo Meurer

04:07

You're almost a gangsta rapper

DanielSank

I started as a butterfly swimmer cuz I was huge for my age. Then I destroyed my shoulders and went to breaststroke and 500 free.

@KyleKanos that event is torture.

Kyle Kanos

In HS, I did the 200 yd free and was awesome at it, but coach needed me elsewhere

DanielSank

I actually got OK at breast.

Kyle Kanos

I did the 500 once

DanielSank

@KyleKanos another torture IMHO.

Kyle Kanos

04:08

Just once. Took me about 8 minutes

I was told to go as slow as I could to give a rest for someone who had an event before and after it

DanielSank

@KyleKanos lololol

Kyle Kanos

NICE!

Steelers are going to beat KC

KC has no time outs left and there is less than 2 minutes to go, 4 downs for Pitt

....whoa....I've never really looked at the 10k moderator tools, they're pretty nifty

DanielSank

I never understood sports fans before.

All that emotion about pixels on the screen.

Kyle Kanos

04:23

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because zzz Wait, someone actually used that?

DanielSank

Then I started watching pro Smash Bros...

Kyle Kanos

Hmm, we use "insufficient effort" a lot as a custom close reason

anonymous

@DanielSank If you don't mind I wanted to ask you what type of research you and your team does at Google Quantum AI lab ? I've heard about the AI lab but don't know about it much.

Kyle Kanos

Skynet (Terminator)

Skynet is a fictional neural net-based conscious group mind and artificial general intelligence (see also superintelligence) system that features centrally in the Terminator franchise and serves as the franchise's main antagonist. Rarely depicted visually in any of the Terminator media, Skynet gained self-awareness after it had spread into millions of computer servers all across the world; realizing the extent of its abilities, its creators tried to deactivate it. In the interest of self-preservation, Skynet concluded that all of humanity would attempt to destroy it and impede its capability in...

That's what they do

Bernardo Meurer

@anonymous If he tells you you die

anonymous

04:27

@BernardoMeurer -_-

How can a dead person die ? (Rhetoric question)

Kyle Kanos

By not living anymore?

Bernardo Meurer

@anonymous -(-1) = 1

so by living again?

anonymous

@BernardoMeurer My question was B.S. and was a sarcastic reply to your "If he tells you you die" :P

Forget it

Anyway @DanielSank

you there?

Kyle Kanos

Well, my game is over so I's gonna head to bed

DanielSank

@anonymous quantum computing!

We build quantum hardware, and the part of the group in LA does theory.

@KyleKanos sweet dreams.

user228700

04:50

Hi :-)

rob

05:10

Greetings

anonymous

05:34

@DanielSank Oh, it seems really interesting. What was your PhD specialization? How did you apply for that position at google ? Any links ? (Quantum AI does not feature in the Google Careers website - careers.google.com/fields-of-work)

David Z

05:50

@BernardoMeurer given that it's quantum, I would expect that if he tells you, the universe never existed in the first place :-P

@rob more greetings

DanielSank

@anonymous ping me tomorrow and we can talk at length. Or email me.

anonymous

@DanielSank We can talk tomorrow if you wish ...(when are you online usually in US time zone ? )

user228700

06:17

@JohnR: Morning :-)

John Rennie

Morning :-)

Finished the electrodynamics chapter?

Or shouldn't I mention that? :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie Nope. Moved on.

John Rennie

Good decision, that's what I would have done.

user228700

Onto electricity!

John Rennie

As in phasors, inductors, etc?

user228700

06:19

Well, yes, but resistors and capacitors first :-)

John Rennie

I enjoyed the circuit stuff, though I remember little of it now.

user228700

I see.

John Rennie

I remember that when you mastered phasors it suddenly all seemed really simple.

user228700

Hmm, OK...

Pissed off layman

ello, ello

John Rennie

06:29

@Kaumudi.H you sound unconvinced :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie :-) I'll share my experience with phasors when I get there.

user228700

@Pissedofflayman Hello :-)

John Rennie

Your book will have its own way of approaching circuits, and you should go with that. But I remember thinking how simple it all seemed once you were allowed to use complex numbers.

Pissed off layman

How are you? @Kaumudi.H

anonymous

@JohnRennie Good Morning! May I ask you a thermodynamics question? Its been bugging me for the past few hours...

user228700

06:33

@JohnRennie I think we have just a little bit of phasors in my book. We'll see...

user228700

@Pissed: I'm OK, thanks. What about you?

Pissed off layman

Fine thanks

John Rennie

@anonymous you can ask, though my thermodynamics is rather rusty

user228700

^ LIES!!!

John Rennie

:-)

Pissed off layman

06:34

:D

anonymous

@JohnRennie Is work done by system during reversible expansion always greater than work done by system during irreversible expansion? Why?

John Rennie

@anonymous Yes.

As for why. I'm not sure I have a nice clear answer for that.

Balarka Sen

You can probably compare the formulas for gaseous systems; physically, shurg.

anonymous

@JohnRennie If that is true, how can this graph be correct? i.sstatic.net/HPEC0.png

In the graph above we can see the the area under the PV curve of the irreversible adiabatic expansion is greater than the area below the PV curve of reversible adiabatic process. How to resolve this discrepancy ?

John Rennie

What are the x and y axes?

Balarka Sen

06:38

Clearly the x axis is measure of P and y axis is measure of V (look at the coordinates of the various points)

John Rennie

That isn't clear to me

Pissed off layman

^

anonymous

I'm trying to locate the source of the picture

Bear with me

Balarka Sen

I am guessing (x, y) = (P, V)

But the third coordinate is actually confusing

Oh, yeah, it is what I thought. Two points lie above the same x-coordinate, and they have the P = P_2.

2

rob

@JohnRennie Points 2 and 3 (red and cyan) both have pressure $P_2$, so $x$-axis is pressure.

y-axis could be volume, temperature, or something else.

anonymous

06:42

2

A: Derivation of the relation between temperature and pressure for an irreversible adiabatic expansion

$$\color{purple}{X-axis: Pressure},\color{green}{Y-axis: Volume}$$ Use conditions for reversible adiabatic process: $$P_1^{1-\gamma}T_1^\gamma=P_2^{1-\gamma}T_2^\gamma|\quad P_1V_1^\gamma=P_2V_2^\gamma|\quad T_1V_1^{\gamma-1}=T_2V_2^{\gamma-1}|\quad\gamma=\frac {C_p}{C_v}$$ and the combined gas...

Ok yes

X axis is pressure

So its not PV graph

It is the VP graph

Damn XD

John Rennie

Does that answer your question? :-)

anonymous

That is why work done in irreversible process was seeming greater

rob

Greetings @PrasadMani

Pissed off layman

Hi @rob

anonymous

Yes! Thanks a lot @JohnRennie @BalarkaSen @rob

rob

06:44

@Pissedofflayman Hello

Pissed off layman

@BalarkaSen good point.

Balarka Sen

Yeah, but I wasn't logically correct about the other axis.

As rob pointed out

Pissed off layman

I think rob has experience on his side :)

rob

@BalarkaSen Well, it turned out to be a good guess. Swapping the axes on a pressure-volume diagram is one thing, but making a pressure-temperature diagram to discuss a thermodynamic cycle would be ... strange.

Balarka Sen

@rob Agreed.

rob

06:51

@PrasadMani Would you like to talk about your Pauli matrix question?

Pissed off layman

As once said one must study Thermodynamics at least three times...

Prasad Mani

Yes i would Rob

@rob

user228700

Ugh, I have so many tabs open on Chrome that I can't even see the "close" button anymore!

Pissed off layman

:O

anonymous

@Kaumudi.H Use Alt+F4

Prasad Mani

06:54

Thats unwieldy. Could you guys help me with my question? its here

DanielSank

@anonymous I am on Pacific time.

@anonymous I can talk for a moment now.

user228700

@anonymous Nice -__-

rob

@PrasadMani You have a notational ambiguity. Are $\sigma_1$, $\sigma_2$ spin operators on the two particles in your singlet/triplet, or are they the Pauli matrices along the first two of your three coordinate directions?

anonymous

@DanielSank Sure. Could you answer the two questions I asked you ? :)

Prasad Mani

They are the operators acting on particle 1 and particle 2 respectively.....not the co-ord axes

@rob

anonymous

06:56

@DanielSank I invited you to another chat room. Please come there if possible.

Balarka Sen

@JohnRennie Actually, mathematically, there is a kind of clean answer. The work is $W = -\int_{V_1}^{V_2} P dV$. When it's irreversible $P = P_2$; when it's reversible $P$ increases little by little from $P_1$ to $P_2$. So $P_{rev} < P_{irr}$. Aka, $-\int P_{rev} dV > -\int P_{irr} dV$, aka $W_{rev} > W_{irr}$.

rob

@PrasadMani At the right end of each message is a little right-angle arrow — that generates a "chat reply" and adds my name automatically (and some other useful stuff).

@PrasadMani You're only interested in $\sigma^2$, not in $\sigma_z$, correct?

Prasad Mani

@rob good to know

@rob yes

rob

@PrasadMani Suppose I write the triplet in the "aligned" configuration with $m_s=1$, something like $\ket{\uparrow\uparrow}$. What does the $\sigma_1^2$ operator do to that state?

Prasad Mani

@rob it acts on the spin of the first particle. And since $\sigma_1^{2}$ is just identity, it leaves it as it is

@rob right?

@rob Sorry, 3 times identity....$3I$

rob

07:04

@PrasadMani Let's see, I have to re-orient here and make sure I'm not accidentally answering some other question.

@PrasadMani What representation are you using for the Pauli matrices?

Prasad Mani

@rob $\sigma_1$ for particle 1.....likewise for particle 2 and $\sigma=\sigma_1 + \sigma_2$

be right back

rob

@PrasadMani Right, but I had in mind the matrix representation.

I don't know I have the energy right now to type matrices into ChatJax, but I'll give it a try:

The usual representation for the Pauli matrices is $\sigma_x = ( 0, 1; 1, 0)$; $\sigma_y = (0, -i; i, 0)$; $\sigma_z = (1, 0; 0, 1)$, and they operate on a column vector with two rows, yes?

That makes the vector Pauli matrix something like this:

$$ \vec\sigma = \hat x \sigma_x + \cdots = \left(\begin{array}{cc} \hat z & \hat x - i\hat y \\ \hat x + i\hat y & -\hat z \end{array}\right)$$

Prasad Mani

07:22

@rob Right. Now that is a 4x4 matrix?

rob

@PrasadMani And that's the matrix whose square is $\sigma^2 = \vec\sigma \cdot \vec\sigma = 3I$, for identity matrix $I$, yes?

@PrasadMani It's two-by-two, but each term has unit vectors.

Prasad Mani

@rob To answer you question, $\sigma_1^{2}=\sigma_{1x}^{2}+\sigma_{1y}^{2}+\sigma_{1z}^{2}=3I$

rob

Okay. Here's a 4x4 representation of $\vec\sigma_1$, think about it: $$ \vec\sigma_1 = \hat x \sigma_{1,x} + \cdots = \left(\begin{array}{cccc} \hat z & \hat x - i\hat y & 0 & 0 \\ \hat x + i\hat y & -\hat z & 0 & 0 \\ 0&0&0&0 \\ 0&0&0&0 \end{array}\right)$$

Now your spin vector is a four-row column vector

Spin of particle 1 in first two rows

other rows to be used later.

@PrasadMani Is this representation of $\vec\sigma_1$ acceptable?

Prasad Mani

@rob check out the edit that i made, hope it is clearer

tatan

07:53

Sorry to ask a new question in the middle of an ongoing discussion...but please can someone help me with this-Does the Rutherford's atomic model violate the Laws of Thermodynamics?I know that entropy can never decrease but I don't see how Rutherford's atomic model violates it....So,please help on this....

rob

@PrasadMani Sorry, got called away. I think it'll be better if I write an answer to your question.

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Q: Choosing the name of the chat room

The name of the chat room was recently changed to the h bar(becue) as a joke because of the multiple posts about food made by the more rapscallionary members of the room. I've seen a few rather terse posts suggesting that not everyone is happy with this, so maybe we should try and arrive at a co...

discussion

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John Rennie

@tatan Rutherford's model isn't time dependent so I'm not sure how I see it violates the second law. Note also that Rutherford's model isn't correct so the point is moot anyway.

Pissed off layman

@JohnRennie great post on meta

let those that frequent the room voice their opinions :-)

anonymous

@Pissedofflayman How about deciding the room name by votes ?

2

Pissed off layman

08:06

Sounds good @anonymous

anonymous

Let us write some Community Wiki answers (name suggestions) and we can tally the votes after a week

Pissed off layman

No offence was intended @rob on my suggestion of putting a hyphen in the room name

h-Bar

John Rennie

Do we really care what the room is called? Haven't we got anything more important to worry about?

4

anonymous

@JohnRennie Personally I don't care but it seems some do :)

Prasad Mani

@rob Sure, thank you

Pissed off layman

08:14

but "how" it was changed could be construed as objectionable, no? @JohnRennie

perhaps by the more "sensitive" types :-)

John Rennie

@Pissedofflayman Not by me, no. But then I don't really care what the room is called and I have got more important things to worry about.

Pissed off layman

Those that care can vote then.

at least the option should be given imho

enough said.

tatan

08:33

@JohnRennie Thanks....So that means that Rutherford's Model is not wrong on the basis of Thermodynamic laws....am I correct?

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