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00:56
Best Subway: Spicy Italian on Italian. Mozzarella, toasted. Everything but cucumbers. Vinaigrette, salt and pepper.
@0celo7 Best Subway: going to a better sandwich restaurant.
Though I suppose your suggestions is an acceptable alternative in a dire emergency such as being trapped in a airport departure lounge during a thirty hour delay.
D:
like where
JJ?
Firehouse?
The places I had in mind are local shops, not chains.
ah
can't find my calc's charging cable
I'm actually OK with Subway if I'm outvoted. But I usually get a salad, based on the spicy Italian as it happens.
01:04
great, now I have a paperweight
I can get a footlong for under a dollar with my meal plan
I could lend you my slide rule if there weren't a state and a half between us.
Never needs charging.
It needs a competent operator
I've got the manual, too.
My precalc teacher would give anyone 5 extra credit if they took his tests with a slide rule
Though that is actually from before my time. I learned to use Dad's because I was an insufferable little geek.
01:07
no one ever did it
@0celo7 I did. But I didn't get extra credit.
wow that is geeky
What I actuall use these days is my HP 11c. Still.
and I'm the freshman with a technical library
And I keep track of colleagues who also have one. In case they die.
01:08
lol
my dad has his HP
checking to see which model
The terrible thing is that HP still makes the 12C (financial model from the same line).
But they won't reissue the technical ones.
Grrrrrr!
apparently he actually meows now
 
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02:53
Hi @ChrisWhite
How goes the job hunting?
user54412
2 applications in, a bunch more to go
user54412
also, I've just spent 11 hours straight working on a Sunday, and I don't feel productive enough
At least it's a start :)
user54412
@tpg2114 As part of my own research, I just came across a paper published this year, with the sentence "relativistic hydrodynamics of turbulent flows is still in its infancy, although some preliminary numerical results have already been obtained." It gives exactly 3 references, all of which I read trying to answer your question.
03:35
@ACuriousMind @Danu why you should dress properly
03:57
They're not lawyers :P
no more children in here :)
this is an adult room now
@ACuriousMind you can be profane now
How's your room mate?
dunno
alive?
What does he study?
russian literature last time I checked
04:08
:O
a commie?
actually, yes
Did you watch the debate?
Dem?
No, was writing a paper
How's the psych class going?
Uh, good?
04:31
@ChrisWhite Have you come across this one yet: iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2041-8205/766/1/L10/… ? They claim it shows -5/3 scaling
But their Figure 2 is where they claim it is -5/3 and I disagree. It isn't flat through the inertial range with that scaling. Their text says they tried two other common scalings and they were bad, so they went with -5/3
I don't think it's particularly good though, there's a "pileup" of energy at either end of the spectrum and a dip in the middle
 
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06:47
@0celo7 I hope you're kidding
 
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08:54
Hey hey
Hi. In a 1-d ball physics problem (i.e. ball throw up/down), say ball is throw down, and it bounces back $\frac{3}{4}th$ its height, but how to find the time taken to reach that height?
Well it falls according to the basic law
The rebound will essentially be the same process
Once it stops touching the ground, 0 forces are applied outside of gravity
You can just treat it as a ball going up with an initial velocity
so it means there is an initial velocity will be $u = 2gh$?
I don't get the math...how does that guarantee that the ball will reach 1/4 its drop height?
09:39
"A male observer follows a timelike worldline (γ) in spacetime (because he must have a proper time). He has a frame for himself."
Wait, why is the observer male
 
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11:10
RPfnoR 4
(NB not an illustration of a question or answer, thus not bother to Gimp it)
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Q: Flag Post Warning

AniketI was reviewing a post now and due to certain flaws of the post, I had to flag it. Just then I saw this message at the bottom of the flagging window. I checked my flagging history by clicking on the "review" link given in the message and this is what I saw... So my question is: Is 1 declined...

11:51
@Danu With?
@Secret ???
@Slereah His male appendage has to be taken into account...extended body problem and all that.
12:39
While ladies have spacetime singularities, yes
@Danu If you're talking about Freddie G., why would I be kidding? You don't like his music?
Damn, what is up with 11 song albums for $10...
@0celo7 Was not talking about that---was talking about that video :P
Replying doesn't work for me on mobile
@Danu Which video?
>using testimony of intelligence officials as evidence against a conspiracy in the intelligence community
13:32
@dmckee My dad has an HP 41 and a financial one he used for his MBA, but doesn't remember the model.
13:57
I just think the homework-and-exercises meta-violation should be retitled "insufficiently conceptual" (or some synonym, "too particular")... The "infraction description" makes it clear that this is what the infraction is about, even though the title of the infraction is misleadingly labeled 'homework.'
Thoughts?
14:18
@ChrisDrost I'm not sure what exactly the "title" of the infraction is. There's just a close banner saying the question is "off-topc" and then comes the close reason text. For that text, I like tpg2114's suggestion to just remove the "homework-like" from that text without substitute better than any renaming.
WetSavannahAnimal says stuff weirdly, e.g. "metrical manifold", "connexion."
@ACuriousMind Why do people refuse to use \lvert
Savages...
Do people not care that their TeX looks like crap?
@0celo7 No, they don't. :P
@0celo7 $\star\mathrm{d}\star$ looks strange, though.
@ACuriousMind derp
It's a binary operator, if there's stuff at both ends, it looks fine.
that's what I was going for :)
ignore all that
@ACuriousMind yes, it does look strange
how do we fix it
$\star\mathrm{d}\!\star$
better?
14:32
Oct 13 at 14:00, by Chris White
you could do something like \mathord{\star}F, or {\star}F if you're lazy
${\star}\mathrm{d}{\star}$
ah
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Q: Good reference Books for Mechanics ( Non - Undergraduate Level)

Amila AbesinghaI need questions to practice. Any recommended book with good exercises covering following topics ? 1) Linear motion ,V-T graphs 2) Relative velocity , Relative Acceleration 3) Circular motion 4) Projectiles 5) Simple Harmonic Motion 6) Center of Gravit

@ACuriousMind Are those not standard first year undergraduate topics?
As the other commenter says, OP may be looking for texts below undergraduate level.
Also, I am definitely not equipped to discuss the "standard" first year undergraduate topics in other countries.
What about Germany?
I know we're covering all of that (and much more) in our first semester physics.
@0celo7 Yes, definitely first semester topics. First month, even.
In any case, "non-undergraduate" is a strange phrasing.
@ACuriousMind Jesus
How do you go so fast
14:38
@0celo7 Non-native speaker.
@ACuriousMind Definitely
Did you cover analytical mechanics in your first year or something?
@0celo7 Uh, not sure but at least circular motion and projectile motion should be familiar to everyone from school, it's just revision.
Wow
Only a fraction of American high schools have that level
@0celo7 Yes, but HD is unusal in having the theoretical track start in the first semester
Mine barely did
My schedule for next semester sucks
Long day erry day
14:43
Survive this one before worrying about the next ;)
I have high As in every class
Nothing to survive (yet)
Analytical mechanics has no prerequisites!
I could squeeze that in next semester and kill myself
I didn't mean to doubt that you are able to pass your classes, I just meant that worrying about next semester is a bit soon.
This one is half over!
@ACuriousMind This summer is the PC building summer.
It's gonna happen.
Gotta look forward :)
PHYS 555 - Solid State Physics

3 Credit Hours
Elementary solid state physics. Crystal structures, reciprocal lattice, bonding in solids, energy bands, semiconductors, phonons, free-electron-gas theory of metals, superconductivity, magnetism, and other forms of broken symmetry.
:O
> Topics vary according to interest of students, instructor, and present state of physics.
lol
That's really boring geometry, right?
@0celo7 No idea.
It seems the advanced geometry is all stuff with PDEs
and "mean curvature flow"
whatever that is
looks like he taught a class on the Poincare conjecture
"Ricci flow"
 
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15:57
@ACuriousMind: that's actually not a bad idea, yes.
@ACuriousMind the only thing that I don't like about it is that it kills the context for the phrase "work through the problem." A clear conceptual question doesn't need any effort to work through it.
A better phrasing might be "We expect specific, conceptual questions: every question should ask about a specific physics concept. In particular, questions about practical problems should show some effort to work through those practical parts to an underlying conceptual question. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See our meta site for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better."
@ChrisDrost Well, we could strike the "work through the problem" as well. We expect all questions to show effort, after all.
I'm not sure I agree. Something like "I heard Brian Greene talk about falling into a black hole and appearing in another universe; is this possible?" is not amenable to "working through the problem."
@ChrisDrost Not sure "practical" is the right adjective there. Perhaps "computational"?
@0celo7 That's from a similar era as the 11c and 15c (for people with much more money than I had then), but it doesn't seem to have developed the loyal following. Don't know why.
"practical" sounds more like doing experiments than solving exercises to me.
16:02
Maybe, or maybe "In particular, questions about practical problems" should be something like "Questions about particular situations" or "particular set-ups" or so.
tpg2114 just replied to me pointing out another thing, which is that we might expect pure-conceptual questions to explain the context in which they occur, like "I know that there is this common explanation out there but there are also these other problems with that, so is there a better way to understand this?"
I am back from the Business
16:44
@Slereah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowland_(film)
I recently looked at this
"Casey realizes that a side effect of utilizing tachyons to obtain information about the future is that it introduces a backfeed into the time flow. It makes the future it shows all the more likely to occur, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy"

and this caused me to draw the following:
(I'll do the maths later, but I am not sure if my pictorial analysis is qualitatively correct...)
Special Relativity with tachyons
Both observers agree the following:
1. Any observers that is in relative motion wrt them will detect the history change earlier than them (hence time constriction instead of time dilation), but can always relay the information < = instantanous (for simiplicity, we restrict all communication channels to sublight to light speeds)
2. The observer is then informed by the moving observers that history has changed
@ACuriousMind I asked Denzler about that Sp(2)=torus problem. Holy crap he derived Iwasara decomposition from scratch, then said "that's a neat result"
That thought process though...I could have never done that
There's no such thing as history changes in SR with tachyons
Or in GR in general
Causality violations in physics are not extremely complicated to deal with conceptually, but you really have to remain grounded
Just treat it like the math that it is.
Just solve the equations of motions and see what happens
IIRC for tachyons interacting with ordinary matter the initial value problem is ill defined
Do I need to use the relativistic lagrangian if I am trying to show that "tachyons interacting with ordinary matter the initial value problem is ill defined"?
or the non relativitstic lagrangian is sufficient?
What other variables I need to set up the equation?
(I would like to try out this proof/derivation as an exercise)
@Slereah (but I am not sure what terms I need to put in for the lagrangian)
16:59
Let me see if there's a paper on it
Why do you need a Lagrangian at all
All you need are the Einstein equations and the energy momentum tensor
I think
Tachyons aren't studied much in causality violations nowadays because they only violate causality in the classical regime
Does Higgs violate classical causality?
lagrangian helps derive the equations of motion via the euler lagrange equation, if my memory serves

I might be not aware that the einstein field equation can do that, I am vaguely aware of something called the einstein action
No
For a variety of reasons
17:03
@0celo7 no as far I am aware
@Slereah it's 4:05 here, I am going to sleep soon. Ping me when you got the paper, and I will start the exercise tmr
@0celo7 What do you mean with that?
For why tachyons do not "move faster than light", see this question.
Well classical tachyons do move FTL
But since the quantum version does not people sort of lost interest in that aspect
@Secret I don't think you need the EoM for the IVP in GR...but I might be mistaken
I have not read that chapter in HE
@Slereah What do you mean with "classical tachyon"? The tachyon field is a "field of imaginary mass", there is no classical particle associated with that.
Do tachyons increase GDP?
17:13
Hm, does the classical tachyon field not violate causality?
I know that the quantum one has 0 measurement outside the light cone
(also you can have point-particle tachyons!)
@Slereah I do not see anything particularly quantum about Qmechanic's answer. The only FTL excitations are those that are non-local to begin with.
Hm
I should investigate this further
The Baez link does speak of wavefunctions for information transfer
Let's see QMech's answer proper
@ACuriousMind tl;dr
Ah yes I see the argument
what is it
17:25
Though it's a very specific case
I wonder if there's a more general proof
@0celo7 : Basically if the field is of compact support it doesn't move FTL
too much math there
math scary
"References:

Tachyons at The Original Usenet Physics FAQ."
Goddamn
Why is it always that page
Is there no actual paper on it
@Slereah how do I IRC?
get a IRC software?
Like mIRC
thought I had mibbit
where is the physics IRC
17:34
Freenode
Beware though
I am a mod
And I am mad with power
uh, how do I work this
freenode is not a channel
No, it's a server
irc.freenode.net
what is the channel
##physics
doesn't work
17:39
try hitchcock.freenode.net
nope
I dunno then
well how do you connect?
ah
freenode blocks mibbit
what IRC thing do you use?
@ACuriousMind what is the relationship between the Hamiltonian and the energy-momentum tensor?
Huy
Huy
both come up in physics
@Slereah do you use webchat
17:49
I use mIRC
@Slereah how did you end up being a moderator
Just been around a while?
I should ask about neutrino oscillating cold fusion EM drives powered by dark matter and energy and strings
nice, you'd get rid of bona fide physicists
You forgot quantum consciousness and parallel universes and time travel
Ironic since he has no qualifications in physics!
who is xhir
17:57
another mod
I don't like him
@Slereah well
he doesn't think JD is right
another feather in his cap
too bad my question got deleted
I'd post what JD said
something about positrons
after 2 minutes he thinks I'm a pain in the ass? what did I ever do to him
@Slereah seriously, what is his problem
he is quite ornery
I'm probably gonna get banned
I can feel it
18:07
Stop being a silly bugger then :p
dude
I said one thing
and somehow that's a pain in his ass
he's the bugger
bugger confirmed
Lol well I mean
There are a LOT of jokes/references/interactions. "What did I ever do to him" is a bit over the top :p
are you in the channel?
are you watching?
18:16
Huh? I thought you were talking about JD in this chat?
no...
@0celo7 Uh...the Hamiltonian is the $00$-component?
it is?
is the Hamiltonian always the total energy?
@0celo7 No. That was simplified :P
stop confusing me
18:19
I think he means the relation between the Hamiltonian from the Legendre transform and the 00 component of the stress energy tensor
If the Hamiltonian is not the total energy, then I don't think there is any straightforward relation between the Hamiltonian and the e-m tensor.
But why is there a relation between the two to begin with
Within what conditions are the two the same
@Slereah Between the Hamiltonian and the total energy?
Huy
Huy
@ACuriousMind: Are you proficient with Haar measures?
@Huy Depends on what you mean by "proficient", but it is possible I could answer a question about them.
Huy
Huy
18:24
@ACuriousMind: I'm trying to show that $\frac{1}{y^2} dx dy$ defines a Haar measure on the upper half plane using the usual identification $\mathbb{H}^2 \cong SL(2,R) / SO(2,R)$ but I am struggling
what's the first betti number of the torus?
@ACuriousMind yes
@Huy I'm not even sure what you are aiming to show. On a Lie group, the Haar measure is simply induced by picking a volume form.
Huy
Huy
18:27
@ACuriousMind: translation invariance
or is it 1
@ACuriousMind do you know?
@ACuriousMind the exact one-forms $\omega=a\mathrm{d}\theta+b\mathrm{d}\phi=\mathrm{d}f$ on the torus have to satisfy $f=\int a\mathrm{d}\theta=\int b\mathrm{d}\phi$, right?
also $\int_{S^1}a\mathrm{d}\theta=\int_{S^1}b\mathrm{d}\phi=0$
@Huy That measure is not translation invariant in $y$, that's why you're struggling? Why should it be translation invariant?
Huy
Huy
@ACuriousMind: what do you mean by "in $y$"?
@Huy Uh...it's invariant under $x\mapsto x+ c$ but not under $y\mapsto y+c$?
Huy
Huy
I didn't mean under that kind of translation
a (left) Haar measure satisfies $m(gB) = m(B)$ for any g in the topological group and a Borel set B
18:39
Ohhh, you meant the group translation.
Huy
Huy
yeah, sorry I thought that was implied when I asked to show it is a Haar measure
Well, the usual procedure I know for getting the Haar measure on the Lie group is by just picking a volume form at the identity. It extends to a left-invariant form on the entire Lie group, and is right invariant for many groups
I've never explicitly calculated that the measure that results is invariant, I think, since it follows abstractly at least for compact and semi-simple groups.
Huy
Huy
I was just going to ask whether this works for non-compact
@0celo7 : who doesn't think JD is right? And what about?
@JohnDuffield someone not on this site, about electrons being photons in a Dirac belt
18:43
Well, the and is a "or". It does follow for non-compact but semi-simple
But I think the semi-simple proof is not as quick as the compact proof.
Huy
Huy
I see
That's only required for the right-invariance, though.
@0celo7 : got a link to that? I'm interested to see what the guy's saying.
The left-invariance is always there. (Or the right-invariance, but not the left-invariance, if you for some reason think the Lie algebra should be the right-invariant vector fields)
@JohnDuffield ask @Slereah for the info
I clicked it away
18:44
hush
@ACuriousMind ::taps on shoulder:: pls help with torus
In fact, I cannot locate a proof of "semi-simple = unimodular" quickly, it has to be ugly if people only refer to other people doing it. Hmpf.
Huy
Huy
I haven't seen a proof of the existence of the Haar measure tbh
it always gets referred to in lectures notes at my uni
only uniqueness is proven
@0celo7 Why should they?
@ACuriousMind because $\mathrm{d}f=f_\theta\mathrm{d}\theta+f_\phi\mathrm{d}\phi$ and matching coefficients and integrating gives the claim
18:48
I've never dealt with a Haar measure not on a Lie group, and there it's very easily induced by a volume form. It gets difficult when the group is only topological.
the integrals should be from $0$ to some angle
@0celo7 Did you, uh, mean to write $f = \int a\mathrm{d}\theta + \int b\mathrm{d}\phi$ instead of the $=$ or am I being dense?
no
I don't think so
@Slereah : come on, let's have a look. What's the problem?
is it not true that $f_\theta=a$ and $f_\phi=b$?
18:50
@0celo7 Okay, so what are we integrating $\mathrm{d}f$ over?
uh, nothing as of yet
I'm not sure how to proceed
You said "integrating gives the claim".
What are you integrating over?
oh, integrating over $\theta$ and $\phi$
a circle
part of a circle
That is not an answer.
18:51
You must give a 1-chain on the torus to integrate over.
why
(I.e. a curve)
conceptually, I don't understand how to this
@0celo7 How else are you gonna integrate a form?
I'm not sure what I'm calculating
@ACuriousMind why am I integrating a form?
18:53
@0celo7 What else is $\mathrm{d}f$ supposed to be?
a form
?
I never said I wanted to integrate it
Okay, let us forget the last few minutes :)
Please rephrase your initial question.
I feel I've not understood at all what you wanted from me
How do I calculate the first Betti number of the torus, $\operatorname{dim}H^1(S^1\times S^1,\mathbb{R})$?
Notation:
A one-form is $\omega=a\mathrm{d}\theta+b\mathrm{d}\phi$
a function is $f$, and if $\omega=\mathrm{d}f$ then $f_\theta=a$ and $f_\phi=b$
that's the condition for $\omega$ being exact
what do I do from here?
Well, for direct products, one can always use the Künneth theorem.
I know
But I don't want to use that, because Arnold does not mention it.
18:58
Let me guess: I'm also not allowed to do this with singular or cellular homology, it has to be deRham cohomology?
Yup!
Sigh...okay.
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