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12:02 AM
@0B3 physical intuition is what makes physics fun
also you can't solve shit without it
 
@ACuriousMind People who are 'cognitively busy' are more likely to [...] and make superficial judgements in social situations.
 
is this video frozen for anyone
after around the 4:30 minute mark?
 
nee
 
@0celo7 I'm not sure what that's supposed to tell me
 
@ACuriousMind Essentially you are more likely to say stupid things when concentrating heavily.
 
12:15 AM
@0celo7 I can translate gibberish ;) I was rather asking why you @'d me with that
@FenderLesPaul I get only audio
 
@ACuriousMind Gibberish?
The author won a Nobel Prize...
 
@ACuriousMind ok cool
so it isn't just my computer then
 
@FenderLesPaul no
I think "nee" was supposed to be German
 
@0celo7 Jeez, take a ";)" ;)
 
@ACuriousMind Did not even see that
Concentrating on this book!
I am suffering from "ego depletion" it seems.
"performing poorly in cognitive tasks and logical decision making"
 
12:21 AM
@FenderLesPaul both audio and visual work fine for me
 
whaat
god damn
 
@0celo7 Oh, come on, stop being so negative!
 
now I must troubleshoot the problem
 
"intuitive errors are normally much more frequent among ego depleted people"
apparently people forcing themselves to do cognitively strenuous things morph into physicists
@FenderLesPaul delete hiberfil.sys
 
WTF... "you may only load the flag dialog every 3 seconds" but "you may only flag a post every 5 seconds".
Who designed that?
 
12:28 AM
why are you flagging so much
 
@0celo7 Two non-answers directly beside each other
 
I see
 
It's just inconsistent that it allows me to load the flag dialog, but gives no indication that i'd have to wait two more seconds to actually flag the post
 
I found a dope ambient/psych rock album if you guys are into that
it's really sweet
 
nope
 
12:29 AM
sounds a lot nicer on a vinyl record player
but it's really mellow I love it
 
Sweeet!
 
unless it's > 140bpm or has innumerable curse words, it's not good
 
this has no words at all
 
Classic 70s sound
@FenderLesPaul Thanks for sharing
:-)
 
@rigor no problem!
if you're into psych rock or space/math rock I have lots more artists and albums I can swing your way
definitely one of my favorite genres
 
12:34 AM
Cool
 
0B3
@FenderLesPaul Having watched at least 3 lecture courses on pirsa, it is always like that.
 
>space rock
>math rock
and you think I listen to weird stuff
@0B3 have you fixed your mic
 
it's really relaxing and it's more or less transcendental if you're high
 
0B3
@0celo7 Yes.
 
12:38 AM
you should see if ACM will help you
I'm swamped with work
 
0B3
With?
 
you wanted a GR call...
 
0B3
right, it can wait for later then.
I would like to talk to ACM but it would be too awkward.
I'll pass.
 
ACM won't bite
he's not that strange ;)
 
He's cool
 
12:41 AM
he is, I've talked to him a couple times
he can teach you German
 
@Rigor if you're looking for a really relaxing experience
 
I'm a Pink Floyd groupie....
 
listen to Roy Montgomery outside when it's night and not too cold
if you drink some Kava it's even better
 
0B3
I said it would be awkward for me.
 
there's no reason for it to be
 
0B3
12:43 AM
@0celo7 My mom can speak german.
 
ACM doesn't judge
 
0B3
@FenderLesPaul You have so many starred comments.
 
feels special
 
He's a star
Rock star
 
0B3
12:45 AM
You're going to become a rock star when you finish your physics BA?
 
I wish
 
0B3
I remember you said something like that.
 
I would love to be a singer songwriter on acoustic guitar
but physics is far more of a practical route
:p
 
something most people think is completely impractical is what you consider practical?
 
12:50 AM
@0B3 I would talk to you but I'm only half here, kinda busy packing stuff and cleaning
Gonna go home to my parents for a few weeks tomorrow
 
No internet
at home
?
 
@Rigor Huh? I do have internet at home, but this means I'm busy now
 
I see.
Just checking
:-)
 
lol
@Rigor they live in rural Germany...where the cats hunt mice and electricity is magic
@ACuriousMind are you going on PSE hiatus?
 
@0celo7 Not really
 
1:10 AM
@ACuriousMind well have fun packing...
at 3 in the morning?
see, @0B3, Bjørn would talk to you
lol that was accidental
not gonna fix because I like to think of ACM as a Viking
 
@0celo7 I'm a procrastinator, and I couldn't sleep anyway the way my sleep schedule currently is
 
gg :D
 
0B3
I am an idiot I should have just read shankar.
 
can't disagree with at least one of those statements ;P
 
0B3
I was always in a bad mood when I read it, that's why I didn't like it.
 
1:18 AM
@0celo7 The beard I can supply. The physique...not. I'm also not blonde.
 
bastard
can do math and grow a beard
at least my socks match...
I miss @Ky...omg he doesn't even appear as a suggested @
 
0B3
@0celo7 He deleted his account?
 
hasn't used chat in 2 days
or some time frame
 
0B3
Ok.
 
68 pending flags...Review, people!
I suspect most of them are close flags.
 
1:27 AM
@ACuriousMind uh will do in...don't have LA tomorrow!
don't have physcis lecture!
doing physics homework!
no time!
 
0B3
1:58 AM
finds shankar book under bed, dusts it off
please forgive me!
 
you luck SOB getting to read that
I have to integrate a trapezoid!!!
god damn parabolas
 
I'm so exhausted ughh
fuck physics
I'm switching to business
 
tfw you realize a good businessman puts in more hours than any academic
why do people think making money is so easy...
 
dude you clearly dont know any business majors
 
clearly you only know the wrong ones
 
2:06 AM
haha ok
if you say so
 
tfw you realize the skill of snorting a line of blow off a hooker's chest does not come out of nowhere
physics majors are all so high and mighty
who is @BunnY
 
no idea
 
probably a business major
 
prolly
@BunnY hi
 
don't bother, he's practicing his cocaine snort
part A) complete
that took...30 minutes
well fuck me
 
0B3
2:18 AM
of what?
 
A)-D), two problems
I had to draw a pristine position graph
the acceleration is also pristine, but less labor intensive
 
0B3
Did you not watch 18.03 lectures a few years ago?
 
what
 
0B3
ODE lectures.
 
oh, with the old dude?
white hair?
chalk?
i think so
well i know I watched some of them
 
0B3
2:23 AM
It wasn't that useful for physics.
 
I've given up on physics
 
0B3
Really?
 
damn this homework
 
0B3
Huh... that physics is not real physics.
 
why are they trying to weed us out
"real physics"
what does that even mean
these string theory books are are not "real physics"
 
2:25 AM
amen
 
I'm unsure if Wald is "real physics" either
I haven't seen a black hole around
HE is sure not "real physics"
 
Wald isn't real physics imo
 
HE is a damn geometry book with a Lorentz metric
 
not that it isn't a good book
 
0B3
Ok, whatever. My definitions are different.
 
2:26 AM
now Weinberg is "real physics"
he actually calculates something
although Wald does calculate the deflection of light by the sun
Wald's QFT book sure as hell is not "real physics"
it's "algebra and analysis with applications to fake physics"
 
Weinderp
 
you think his QFT books are derp?
 
his QFT books are amazing
but his name is Weinderp
 
IDK if Zee is "real physics"
He has some stuff on Chern-Simons and Quantum Hall that seems sketchy
Gourgoulhon is "real physics with cluttered notation"
 
Zee is like a crazy grandpa who is really excited about QFT
 
0B3
2:30 AM
Define real physics first.
 
Physics is love
physics is life
 
I want to say "real physics" is an operator on the space of money that increases GDP
 
real physics loves you to all orders
 
in that sense
 
@0celo7 That might be the most terrible thing ever said in this chat.
2
 
2:31 AM
string theory is actually (-1)x"real physics"
because it distracts intelligent people from helping the world
(not kidding there)
 
0B3
String theory seems ultra cool, I can't wait to learn it.
 
@ACuriousMind real physics improves the world
(not joking there, that's what I think)
 
that's basically just condensed matter theory then
 
note that knowledge itself does not improve the world
 
0B3
Who cares about the world, fantasy is better.
 
2:33 AM
not that I disagree
 
(hence why I don't want to make a career out of theory)
 
0B3
lame.
 
you can say that
 
@0celo7 You're thinking of engineering. The purpose of physics is not to change the world. The purpose of physics is to understand it.
 
mic drop
 
2:36 AM
@ACuriousMind Ok, "real physics" $\equiv$ engineering
my point being, I don't want to be in academia because I want to do something to help the world
and while being in academia does not completely prevent me from doing this
 
I just wanna stay away from the real world for as long as possible
 
I think that the average string theory researcher has no such goals in mind
 
and physics academia is the best way to do that
 
why on Earth would you do that?
 
real world is scary
 
2:37 AM
that's just crazy to me
 
0B3
weird.
and yet you learned all this stuff.
 
5
A: Benefits of Academic Research

Chris WhiteIn addition to the answer regarding how some objects of pure research turn out to be monumentally important (and we don't know ahead of time which ones they'll be), there is another point worth considering. What does it mean for something to "benefit" people/citizens/society? You might instantly...

 
but also there's definitely aspects of physics research that I find very attractive that I wouldn't find as ubiquitous in engineering
and these things draw me to physics far more
for example the way math is very strongly tied to physics as a framework
instead of just being used as a tool to get results
but as always, to each his/her own
 
it's interesting that you bunch are desperate for me to change my mind on what I want to do with my life...
 
I never said you should change lol
 
2:41 AM
(or so it seems)
 
I literally just said to each his/her own
do what you wanna do
it's smart to realize now rather than later
that there's a HUGE difference between learning physics and doing physics research
and that while you may enjoy one you may not enjoy the other
 
wait...what?
I'm not sure what point you're making
 
you like learning physics but you aren't interested in physics research as a career
which is a distinction prospective physics majors don't seem to usually have in mind
 
I'm not interested in abstract, theoretical, head in the clouds research.
 
oh right I forgot experimental physics was a thing
 
2:45 AM
I'm looking into quantum computing now
turns out the guy who runs the computer groups at ORNL is a physics professor here
I might drop by his office later in the week
 
what's up with couples having intimate ass conversations openly on their fb pages
like why do we need to see that shit
people are weird :p
 
They just want people to talk about them...
 
3:06 AM
Night peeps
 
@0celo7 A negligible fraction of your freshman classmates have done meaningful research.
Don't ever let the feeling of being behind deter you from doing what you want.
 
In life too.
 
 
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5:20 AM
Close vote queue (frozen for me) has 66 items now!
Wake up, > 3k'ers!
 
obe
6:00 AM
@0celo7 Is that even in shankar? where can I learn about that?
and why am I awake.
It's lonely here.
 
6:19 AM
@ACuriousMind the commutative case (set theory constructed on boolean algebras) there is this work of gaisi takeuti math.or.jp/publication/PublMSJ/PDF/Vol13.pdf ; there the reals are commutative observables and statements about the reals are immediately translated into statement about observables (classical mechanics)
for the quantum version, there are less results, but you can construct a set theory that is almost ZFC over an algebra of projections on a Hilbert (where the projection on the zero vector means false, the projection on the whole space true, and the rest are roughly speaking "intermediate truth values")
and the reals in this case are all the self-adjoint operators affiliated with the algebra of projections ;-)
the papers of reference are of Ozawa arxiv.org/pdf/1504.06838.pdf and arxiv.org/abs/math/0604349
 
@0celo7 That's so superficial!
@DanielSank I like this... In principle. In practice, it's hard to stick to it :P
@KyleKanos lol this conversation
"In Bermuda Triangles, rumours are there, that one can see the past. So, is it just like a minor black hole with immense gravitational pull, that we can travel past like the actor did in the cinema?"
 
6:51 AM
Sticking to your principles has never been easy.
3
 
 
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7:53 AM
So, where does one buy cheap textbooks (physics/mathematics) online?
Book review for L&L volume 2: "When I phase transition off this mortal coil, I'm going to be cremated. This is one of the 5 books that will fry with me. Its power and beauty still make me weep."
 
8:09 AM
Hello
 
8:44 AM
Hi
 
8:55 AM
Answer me Visser dammit :V
 
 
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10:07 AM
NbRCeID (Nothing but Random Cutting edge Information Dump)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150831085722.htm
It seems mastering the strong force is going to be the next big thing in terms of the 4 fundamental forces
 
10:59 AM
Strong force is pretty bogus because it is strong
Hard to do perturbatively
 
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AniketI answered a certain question correctly on p-n-p transistors and doping in Phys.SE and the answer was accepted and voted up. I got +25 reputation for that. Today I came to know that the question has been migrated to Electrical Engineering.SE community. Side by side, I have lost 25 reputation for ...

 
11:17 AM
NbRCeID 2
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6251/952
I wonder when we will finally able to see a cat sized object quantum mechanically vibrating like the mechanical device in this article...?
 
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AniketMy question got upvoted on Meta but I got no reputation for that. All of my questions which got upvoted on Phy.SE gave me reputation. Any plausible reason for that not happening in this case?

 
@Secret You won't be able to see it, because all the interaction with the light that is required to see it will probably destroy any state in which the position uncertainty is large enough to see it.
 
Agreed
Still it is kinda amazing how far we have got, over the years we have seen quantum effects starting at the level of atoms, then molecules and then to something as large as a virus

Now the above example we have something that can be seen with our eyes, and that's kinda amazing
Everytime I saw researches like these, it does make me wonder on how far we can push the limits
 
11:33 AM
@Secret You see quantum effects every day. The fusion in the sun relies mainly on the quantum tunnelling probability of one nucleus through the repulsive barrier of the other (since they are equally charged). That research is somewhat interesting, but it's really not as if we didn't have enough evidence of quantum physics as it is.
 
sometimes i sigh about we always forgot the obvious. You are right about the nuclear fusion that makes the sun glow.

I wonder, say if I am going to teach, how to make sure my students will not forget the obvious...
Just look at water, probably the stuff we have taken for granted, yet it turns out we know so little about it (e.g. how they form clusters etc.)
 
11:50 AM
@Danu Ok...? Doesn't change anything.
@obe I read about it in S. Weinberg, Lectures on Quantum Mechanics.
@DanielSank You're missing the point. They've done stuff I can never do, but the stuff you call me a "genius" for is stuff they can learn in a few years. When I filled out the application to the internship/co-op department, they didn't ask me if I knew what an associated bundle is, they wanted to know if I could code C++, Java, whatever and where I had interned in high school!
 
what do you want out of life?
 
Improve the world I guess. Wouldn't hurt to make a buck while doing it.
 
true
 
Damn library is slow this week.
 
did you get the book chris recommended?
 
12:00 PM
What book is that?
Ok that does not look real...
@skillpatrol If you're referring to Carothers Real Analysis, yes, I did get it. I'm also returning it because I can't even do the exercises on the first page.
I looked up what book the intro analysis class uses at UT and downloaded it from Springer.
I'll work with that.
 
is that a measure
 
@0celo7 :(
 
Also what is $A^z$
and what is all that shit
 
Page 118.
I don't understand any of it, sadly.
 
seems a bit abtruse
 
12:11 PM
For what course is this for?
 
12:23 PM
@0celo7 : steer clear of quantum computing. It's jam-tomorrow pseudoscience that's been pimped and peddled for forty years but has gone nowhere. Meanwhile real computing has advanced by leaps and bounds and changed the world. If you're interested in the general theme find out about optical computing.
 
1:00 PM
@santiago Research interest.
There's a QC group at ORNL.
@Slereah Indeed. I have a more conventional book on order from the library. But that book might give me a good way to channel my desire to learn measure theory and functional analysis.
@JohnDuffield Thanks but I'm not going ignore it just because you said so.
Uh lol that @santiago should have been @skillpatrol.
 
@0celo7 who's santiago?
 
@skillpatrol Dunno, hit the wrong suggestion on the phone screen.
 
@0celo7 It's all good :-)
@0celo7 you can do amazon links on your phone?
:O
 
1:17 PM
where is Carmen Santiago
 
@skillpatrol Probably. But I did that on my laptop before class.
 
will Carmen San Diego steal the LHC
 
You're high again.
 
@0celo7 are you that bored in class?
to be chatting in here
 
1:30 PM
@skillpatrol Not bored, I just don't like the idea of "asynchronous communication protocol." There's no reason why I can't respond swiftly.
 
@0celo7 sorry for the tough luv pal, but you need to get your priorities straight
@0celo7 concentrate on one thing at a time
@0celo7 that^ is the reason
 
I waited for a lul in the lecture to send short messages.
(It is now over.)
 
Aug 19 at 12:22, by skull patrol
Seriously, you should cut back on your internet chat time until you get settled in.
 
Cut back on chat?
 
Yes.
 
1:38 PM
How about cut back on reading frivolous things or playing video games.
 
That too...
 
Chat is really not a big time consumer.
 
What is?
 
Reading frivolous things and playing video games.
 
Then do it.
 
1:39 PM
I struggled for 2 and a half hours yesterday doing analysis problems.
 
cut them out now
It is going to get tougher...
@0celo7 ...decide now.
@0celo7 What's it doing to be?
 
Doing homework, don't know what point you're trying to make.
 
5 mins ago, by 0celo7
How about cut back on reading frivolous things or playing video games.
that^ is the point
 
@skillpatrol stop scaring the poor guy. If there are actual problems with the coursework load cause he spends too much time doing other things, he'll notice soon enough
 
yes
master
:-(
 
1:45 PM
@ACuriousMind All I need to do is stop playing BF4...
I'm not scared.
I know that I'll notice if I'm getting behind and will adjust behavior accordingly.
 
And recreation is not pointless - all work and no play is no way to live
 
I didn't intend to scare you pal, sorry.
 
The problem with BF4 is that "one more round" is real.
 
@0celo7 well, I don't disagree with that :D
 
And "one more round" in that game is 30 minutes.
@skillpatrol You're not scaring me.
The only thing that scares me is analysis.
@ACuriousMind you fps hater you
 
1:48 PM
Well scare was probably the wrong word. How does one translate den Teufel an die Wand malen? :D
 
Draw the devil on the wall :D
 
Seems legit
 
you're in luck that I mute my laptop
the math lounge would have become a whole lot hipper otherwise
 
:D
@ACuriousMind is it available for you
 
1:55 PM
I have not seen any more centipedes in here...I conclude that the one I saw was a statistical anomaly, likely the result of quantum tunneling though the walls.
 
if you see a millipede head for the hills :P
 
UTK is literally built on a hill.
 
cool
 
Going from the engineering campus to the math campus is a 30 degree climb.
Probably more at times.
 
1:58 PM
The main math building (Ayres) is on the very top.
 
how symbolic :P
 
The nuke building (Pasqua) is like in the asscrack of the stadium
 
@skillpatrol can't check now, on phone with slow internet
 
The math building looms over top of the stadium (which, by the way, is the 3rd largest in the U.S.)
 

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