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1:07 PM
@EmilioPisanty wow, 20 secs. I stand in awe.
 
1:23 PM
@ACuriousMind How does Windows handle connecting/disconnecting audio devices? Whenever I unplug my headphones it breaks Windows
 
@ACuriousMind Fastest Retraction in the West
a.k.a. the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker retraction
 
user84215
in Mathematics, 2 mins ago, by MathematicsAminPhysics
The necessary and sufficient condition for a surface to be minimal is that at each point there exist two orthogonal asymptotic directions?
 
bit of a shame, really, it was a good opportunity to point OP to
In fluid dynamics, dispersion of water waves generally refers to frequency dispersion, which means that waves of different wavelengths travel at different phase speeds. Water waves, in this context, are waves propagating on the water surface, with gravity and surface tension as the restoring forces. As a result, water with a free surface is generally considered to be a dispersive medium. For a certain water depth, surface gravity waves – i.e. waves occurring at the air–water interface and gravity as the only force restoring it to flatness – propagate faster with increasing wavelength. On the other...
& related resources
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics What does that condition mean?
 
tangent vectors?
 
user84215
1:28 PM
at each point there exist two orthogonal asymptotic directions?
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics yes
 
user84215
asymptotic direction means that the curvature is zero in that direction
 
Sure, if the principal curvatures are zero then the mean curvature is zero. Is that what you mean?
That's sufficient, not sure about necessary. Proof?
 
user84215
By "minimal surface" I mean the surface with minimal area
 
user84215
Also I mean the Gaussian curvature is zero
 
1:32 PM
that means that $\kappa_1+\kappa_2=0$
 
I know what a minimal surface is.
 
and $\kappa_1\kappa_2=0$
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics Gauss curvature is intrinsic curvature. So it's completely flat.
 
so $\kappa_1=\kappa_2=0$
 
user84215
A surface is minimal iff the mean curvature is zero?
 
user84215
Why?
 
by definition?
 
user84215
The definition is a surface with minimal area
 
Do you not know the first variation formula?
 
1:35 PM
In mathematics, a minimal surface is a surface that locally minimizes its area. This is equivalent to having zero mean curvature (see definitions below). The term "minimal surface" is used because these surfaces originally arose as surfaces that minimized total surface area subject to some constraint. Physical models of area-minimizing minimal surfaces can be made by dipping a wire frame into a soap solution, forming a soap film, which is a minimal surface whose boundary is the wire frame. However the term is used for more general surfaces that may self-intersect or do not have constraints. For...
 
user84215
You mean Euler's equations?
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform Eh. Not really. It's the direct vs. indirect thing again.
Mean curvature zero doesn't imply it's a minimum of the area functional; just a critical point. That's assuming the area is even finite.
 
yeah but who cares about global properties anyway
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform Literally everyone.
 
literally no one
 
1:39 PM
dxdy-dx+dz-dw+dt ::yawn::
 
:: yawns too ::
 
user84215
Thanks for your answers.
 
Random tensor:
 
$A_{\alpha\beta}^{\gamma\delta\epsilon_0}$
 
1:41 PM
tensor = a letter with indices
 
The following is a tensor polynomial:
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform basically
idk why people find them hard
for 99% of life they're just letters with more letters
 
letters with more letters aka maths
 
tensors = maths
 
1:43 PM
$A_{\alpha\beta}^{\gamma}A_{\delta\epsilon}^{\theta} - A_{\alpha\beta}^{\gamma} + \delta_{stuff} = 0$
 
maths = boring
 
agree
 
by transitivity, tensors > boring
 
user84215
math=physics
 
physics + $\aleph_0$
 
1:44 PM
@0ßelö7 I don't know about anything above Windows 7, and I have no idea what changed
 
I dont like your new avatar
2
 
@ACuriousMind why are you using a 10 year old operating system?
 
btw, out of curiosity, why did people vote to leave this open?
its, like, almost an exact duplicate...
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform IIRC when I voted it had been VTC'd as homework not as a duplicate
 
hmm
I was the first one to vote to close
and it was a dup vote
idk
 
1:48 PM
Maybe I was just asleep at the time :-)
That's the trouble with checking the review queue at 5 a.m.
 
@0ßelö7 Because I haven't found a reason to switch.
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform what kind of regularity of the boundary do I need for the standard maximum principle
 
@JohnRennie IF I WERE A MOD YOU WOULD BE SUSPENDED FOR THAT BEHAVIOUR
 
?
 
@0ßelö7 at least surjectivity
 
1:50 PM
Bite my ass!
(My donkey likes being bitten)
 
@JohnRennie seriously?
 
I'm just trying to avoid being flagged :-)
 
maybe don't say things that are flag worthy then
 
1 min ago, by John Rennie
Bite my ass!
(My donkey likes being bitten)
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform Maybe one needs no conditions
that would be wonderful
for the strong one, one probably just needs $C^1$
 
1:53 PM
no because you want the boundary to be Markov
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform What does that mean?
 
you need a semi-positive length after all
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform What?
 
what what? if the boundary is not Markov, the metric won't be analytic, and you cannot perform a conformal integer
 
I'm googling these things and not getting hits
 
1:55 PM
ffs use bing
 
Don't you mean the boundary should be quasi-Lipschitz for a positive area?
 
no, that's too strong
 
And I don't see what analyticity has to do with anything
I shouldn't have to use Cauchy-Kovaleska
 
in the sense of chains
 
Oh, so in the sense of Feder
Right, can probably use a conformal current method
 
1:56 PM
yeah, but check that it is conserved
otherwise you may have an anomaly in the pre-potential
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform I shouldn't expect anomalies here. My gauge group is abelian.
 
abelian grapes is for kids
 
Stop filling the chat with pseudo-mathy gibberish :P
 
U(1) is why your computer works, boyo
@ACuriousMind Go back to your modules
don't be jealous just because you don't know analysis
 
I dont have a computer
Im typing this from a blackberry
 
1:59 PM
Blackberries have U(1) gauge symmetry too
 
@ACuriousMind how did your thesis go? have you defended it already?
dont be silly, bbs have a $\mathbb R$ symmetry
they are above everything else
they cover standard phones infinitely many times
> @MarceloBoni Light nem morre no final, a Misa Misa virou Mia, ficou uma grande merda mesmo
wtf
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform Right, you need infinitely many of them to approach the utility of one standard phone :P
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform he refuses to answer this question
people should stop asking
 
@ACuriousMind SHUT UP YOU DONT KNOW NOTHING
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform lmao do you really have a blackberry?
 
2:02 PM
no lmao
but I read yesterday that the guy that invented them did also invent the Perimeter Institute
 
it's raining, which has increased my desire to skip class by 500%
 
Why it is harrass ACM time all of a sudden?
Not that I'm saying this is a bad thing ... :-)
 
we are harassing him?
oh, lightning
wonderful
 
Now is a great time to fly a kite ...
You could make great steps forward in physics ... or die of course.
 
Anonymous
The former is improbable. 0ßelö7 wouldn't want physics to progress ;)
 
2:10 PM
@0ßelö7 thunderstorms are wonderful - if you are inside
 
the former would help physics to progress too
 
Just to clarify, me dying helps physics progress?
 
I did say or die not and die
 
oh crap I meant latter
 
2:14 PM
@ACuriousMind Should I skip representation theory and go to the analysis seminar?
 
Oh, no, don't!
 
"A fractional Hardy-type inequality over the half space with an application"
 
only one application? no thank you sir
 
I don't know which genius decided to schedule the analysis seminar concurrently with the Adv. Mod. Alg. class
they probably figured there's little overlap in the audiences
 
Anonymous
Ask someone to video record the seminar which you can't attend. :P
 
2:18 PM
@Blue wouldn't it be easier to get the algebra lecture notes from one of the people in the class?
 
Anonymous
Easier? Yes. More useful? I don't know. I prefer video+audio over written notes anyday
 
Anonymous
I mean if the latter is possible of course
 
Anonymous
In my class we have some super experts who video record professors from the last bench. Lol
 
@Blue weird
 
@Blue They should either get the prof to officially tape the lecture or stop doing that - many people don't like being filmed, especially not without their consent
 
Anonymous
2:24 PM
@ACuriousMind I wouldn't want to take the trouble of explaining it to them. I sit right in front of the professor, in the front bench, normally.
 
Anonymous
I get your point though
 
@Blue The issue is that I like both profs here and will want both of them to write letters of recommendation :P
 
Anonymous
@0ßelö7 Hah. Same here. XD
 
Anonymous
That's why I sit in the front benches..:P
 
2:25 PM
neeeerd
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform agreed
 
Anonymous
@AccidentalFourierTransform That's a noble calling. 0;)
 
not really
 
that is what a true nerd would say
 
the only good calling is banking, really
you get to be a real man and grow the GDP
anything else is worthless or nerdy
 
Anonymous
2:28 PM
As long as you don't say mathematicians are growing GDP, I have no complaint against you. ;)
 
Mathematicians are useless, which is why I don't like that I like math
@Blue at least I'm not an algebraist, must be difficult explaining to people who don't do math
being a PDEist I can at least claim I look at physical things
heat equation sounds like a reasonable thing to study
 
Anonymous
@0ßelö7 Actually the thing about math is that it gets discovered/invented waaaay before it's application is found out. For example who knew so much of number theory would be applicable in cryptography!
 
2:44 PM
My phone says it's "mostly cloudy" but it's pouring rain
 
Mostly cloudy
that's a fairly ironic thing to read given what I came to ask
How can you tell what observables an interaction collapses? Like for instance, the Photoelectric effect?
 
Anonymous
2:59 PM
@Phase That's an interesting question and I would like to know the answer. Photoelectric effect is basically particle behaviour of light. So I wonder if we can say that wavefunction collapses (?)
 
Oh my god
I got destroyed by the rain
I had to wring out my socks
Should have worn flip flops
Although the fucking 5 inches of standing water would have still wrecked me
 
Ocelots can't swim?
 
Literally everything is wet. So much rain that the bottom of my backpack got wet
 
Anonymous
Buy this :D
 
3:07 PM
That's for poor people
^
 
Anonymous
@Phase That? In 5 inches of water? :'D
 
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(to MSE)
 
It's literally going to be raining until 7
 
3:29 PM
Hello guys quick physics question about work and power
anyone!
 
@0ßelö7 I use win 7 too because I really don't know what real value upgrading to win 10 (and reinstalling everything again) is going to bring me.
 
We know (consider 1 dimension:)
dW = F . dx
dW/dt = P = **F** . d**x**/dt = **F** . **v**

**But** if F is constant can we say
dP = d(**F** . **v**) = **F** dv ??
 
Anonymous
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı Windows 10 looks better :P And the upgrade is free
 
Hi @blue
 
Anonymous
Hi!
 
Anonymous
3:33 PM
I'm reading your question
 
Why dont bold marks ** work properly :\
 
Anonymous
You should use MathJax for equations
 
@blue mathjax doesnt work in chat ;)
 
Anonymous
@samjoe Oh, it does. See the link on the top-right
 
3:35 PM
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı Windows is garbage. Use Mac.
 
Anonymous
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A: Any chance of MathJax in chat?

Ilmari KaronenAs a workaround while this request is pending, there exist several client-side workarounds that can be used to enable LaTeX rendering in chat, including: ChatJax, a set of bookmarklets by robjohn to enable dynamic MathJax support in chat. Commonly used in the Mathematics chat room. An altern...

 
$\text{Does it?}$
Oh @Blue
 
Anonymous
@0ßelö7 I'm not going to pay extra bucks for proprietary malware
 
Thanks!
 
3:36 PM
@samjoe bookmark "start chatjax" link in this page: math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html
 
@0ßelö7 not everyone has the privilege to own a mac :P
 
lmao, owning a mac is not a privilege
 
@Blue Bernardo got to you too?
 
Anonymous
$$P=\vec{F}.\vec{v}$$. So use product rule on this
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform I have a Mac and a PC and there are times I'll sit in my chair using my Mac laptop because it's easier than fiddling with windows
 
Anonymous
3:39 PM
@0ßelö7 Yup. I now realize he was right ;)
 
@0ßelö7 If I buy a MacBook the first thing I'd do is to install windows (and fedora) on it
2
 
You would have a fedora
 
Anonymous
@AccidentalFourierTransform Mac is much more expensive in India compared to the US. That's why many people go to the US to buy Macs
 
@0ßelö7 oh, I get it. You don't know how to use a computer. Fine.
US, the land of Macs and Big Macs
 
only true legends use arch
 
3:42 PM
People who know how to use computers are [redacted]
 
but [redacted] [redacted] and [redacted], right?
 
@Blue If F is constant then shouldn't dP = F.dv ?
ok if F isn't constant we have dP = F.dv + dF.v ? Only referring to 1D
what is this [redacted] thing :O
 
@0ßelö7 Here it's 1$ per Gallon. I can send (or bring) you some if you want.
 
Anonymous
@samjoe Yes, that looks fine
 
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı I don't particularly care for Iranian oil
 
3:44 PM
Ok thanks @blue :)
 
Anonymous
Just make a nuclear reactor to power your car, dude. What's the use of studying nuclear engineering otherwise?
 
Anonymous
:P
 
@Blue To maintain the decades old nukes just in case
 
Hey all, do we have anything to discuss at the chat session today?
 
3:47 PM
@DavidZ What do we do about North Korea?
 
Anonymous
lol, that would be fun
 
This arxiv paper has some interesting viewpoint on history of classical mechanics https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.5968v1.pdf
 
links to abstracts pls
 
Yeah, it doesn't even count as a rickroll unless you at least attempt to use the proper URL :-P
 
3:57 PM
> A Tale of Tidal Tails in the Milky Way
 
No, this:
> A new study on not giving up on solving mechanics problems in college sophomores
BTW, I repeated this exact same trick (with TIO instead of arxiv) on the 19th byte and was kickmuted for 1 minute :( and message removed to trash. The guys at this chat room are really good and friendly.
 
Every chat room has its own culture.
 

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